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>>8340
The best is if you are conscious and sober for the session. Make sure you smoke your last joint the night before and not on the day we're doing the session.
>>8429
Noted.
>>8433
Noted. You can delete your post within a certain amount of time.
>>8515
Someone said you could listen to recordings but it wouldn't be the same. That's why I asked. If you wouldn't like us to record it, I don't mind, either.
Hey, just letting you know there is a huge problem with your time converter and how you are choosing different timezones.
Please, don't go and choose a different timezone every fucking time. Just stick with typing out either GMT: Greenwich Mean Time. BST: Bangladesh Standard Time.
Or, even better, lets use Coordinated Universal Time, UTC.
What is really throwing me off here is that in your time converter, BST = Bangladesh Standard Time.
Yet in this post, >>8515 , its described as something else entirely. Which doesn't even show up.
So I'm getting really confused from all of this.
Also, why even pick British Summer Time, wouldn't something like Coordinated Universal Time be the better option here? Or is it because you live in that location and want us to convert?
British Summer Time was chosen because GMT caused confusion before (people tend to assume that Greenwich Mean Time is the time in Greenwich, which it isn't for 7 months out of 12). Mossa probably didn't know that BST also stood for Bangladesh Standard Time - I didn't.
UTC is the ideal option here.
>>8539
>Did it ever hit you that getting to the session was the first challenge?
Staying physically alive can be considered a 'challenge'.
The problem I had with the BST thing was the fact that the first result was the Bangladesh Standard Time. Which would be a completely different time then British Summer Time.
So when I put it in your time converter, I'd have to wake up at a 5 or so hours difference. Quite the problem.
Sure, showing up an hour early wouldn't be problem for someone who is NEET. But an hour difference would be huge to a wageslave who has might have to take time off of work along with driving and mundane life.
Would it not be best if we used the most efficient system?
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>The ego session is a one way street. Once it is done, it changes your life forever. Make sure you are ready for it.
I don't know if I'm ready because I don't know what changes I can expect. Can you provide any good sources of first hand experiences of people who have walked down this street? I get the feeling that there's a lot of bullshit info about the ego.
>I get the feeling that there's a lot of bullshit info about the ego.
This. I'm in the same boat. Considering that ego is often seen in the majority of disinformation programs (New Age, Christianity/Abrahamic Religions, Buddhism to some extend, etc) as something wicked, wrong or something that somehow needs to be lost or mutilated makes, it me feel really suspicious about these sort of programs/sessions. Ego is an essential part of you as a being. But just like nearly any other component of a being, it is vulnerable to degeneration.
The secret may be life-changing but you will have come across it before unless you're a complete noob. Furthermore it will not change you unless you work hard at internalising it, so there's nothing to be afraid of.
>Can you provide any good sources of first hand experiences of people who have walked down this street?
Every mystic has done it.
>Considering that ego is often seen in the majority of disinformation programs (New Age, Christianity/Abrahamic Religions, Buddhism to some extend, etc) as something wicked, wrong or something that somehow needs to be lost or mutilated
I think that's harsh on those ideologies. Apart from a few New Agers who think it's a good idea to annihilate the ego with hallucinogens, people tend to recognise that ego is something to be transcended, not attacked. You can't transcend the ego if you don't have a healthy ego to build on. The mentally ill can't do it.
The ego is not something to be trancended exactly, what should happen is that a wizard should gain control over the ego and shape it into something better. It is a tool by which we use to interact with this 3rd density plane of existance.
I believe the biggest risk with all of this "ego death" going on in spirituality is that people, after "killing" their ego and no longer percieving it as a part of them, move their ego into the shadow self - causing the ego to have control over the subconcious. I've seen it, "gurus" and whatnot thinking that whatever they do must the right and the only possible truth and everyone else is ignorant because they thought they literally had no ego, thus it is impossible for them to be driven by it so their words MUST be the truth.
That said, though, I have to add that I do not think Mossa is like that. From what I've seen he's pretty chill. I'll join on Saturday.
I'm not exactly without fear when it comes to this session and I am also the kind of person who considers personality and individuality a good thing so maybe I'm not perfect for this, but I want to at least try out this approach. I know it's supposed to be a one-way street but we'll see. Not like this is my first rodeo.
>The ego is not something to be trancended exactly, what should happen
In many systems it is exactly to be transcended in order to be enlightened (although I don't think it's equal to Moksha/Nirvana as I think that one should also consider karmic stuff and the fact that enlightenment is by definition permanent while so called "ego death" isn't necessarily).
Even when we are talking solely about magic and not generally understood "spirituality", there are many techniques that require you to drop, if only for a certain amount of time, your individual ego.
Try first to teach someone that there is a thing that is called ego. Then try to convince them that it is not them. Then try to convince them to control it. Report back with results.
That is the next step called the spiritual ego.
>You can't even into AP.
>If you're not spiritual you're not alive.
>Look at all those mundanes, they're not even awake.
>Reptilians are mind controlling those poor mundanes, but not me.
Ego hides in the most amazing places.
You are welcome to join on Sunday.
The only posts that were deleted from the threads are OT posts and posts that pertain to signing up or meta discussion.
I would like this thread to stay pure in that sense and it would be nice if ego was discussed in a dedicated thread but I have no interest in making a thread.
>>8807
Honestly, writing here in the thread doesn't make any difference. Just show up at the general time in the IRC, ask Mossa for link, and get your class.
It's about commitment.
Read up.
Sign up.
Show up.
Get out.
If people want to come but don't sign up I ask them to read up. If people that sign up has read up, then I don't have to ask them to read up.
When you work with consciousness it's important that even the event that teaches about consciousness, is done in effort of consciousness.
>Read up.
Nothing much to read in the link. Just a single sentence explaining the type of class and then a few very minimal requirements.
>Sign up
I doesn't matter how many anons post in this thread, but how many actually attend. Otherwise you will have many different posts from the same anon with sign up, why he can't come, then he can come, and then whatever else. Just wastes space in the thread where, instead, people could discuss what they have just learned at the session.
>Show up
If someone shows up who never 'signed up' in the thread would they not be allowed to join? Compared to someone who 'signs up' but never shows up.
>Get out
The discord Mossa uses for his session appears to be more of a long term thing. A general fringechan discord. Or just his own.
>If people want to come but don't sign up I ask them to read up. If people that sign up has read up, then I don't have to ask them to read up.
There isn't much to read in the first place though. Signing up does not really matter as long as they attend.
>When you work with consciousness it's important that even the event that teaches about consciousness, is done in effort of consciousness.
Being physically awake means that they are more then likely capable of thought, will, or perception. (The definition of being conscious)
There's been more than 10 sessions done since I made the OP in this thread and you are complaining about trivial information.
>Otherwise you will have many different posts from the same anon with sign up, why he can't come, then he can come, and then whatever else. Just wastes space in the thread where, instead, people could discuss what they have just learned at the session.
Not a single post is still in this thread of people that signed up in the past, because they are deleted after each session. This cleans up the thread and keeps it neat. Your argument is now void.
A user that writes about the experiences of the session ends up in the testimonial section and the post is removed from the thread. If I need more space for my sessions I'll make a board dedicated to it. For now it's just a thread and a simple html page.
>If someone shows up who never 'signed up' in the thread would they not be allowed to join? Compared to someone who 'signs up' but never shows up.
They arrive and ask me questions that has already been answered in the information provided, so I have them kindly read the information before we start. There's often plenty of time before the session start for users to be able to read the paragraphs of text available on the subject. But people that show up 5 minutes before the session without signing up usually do not get to be in on it.
>Being physically awake means that they are more then likely capable of thought, will, or perception. (The definition of being conscious)
When I read René Descartes collected work for fun, on one of his first chapters he stated:
>"I assume that everyone is like me. Equal opportunities, equal intelligence and equal strength."
After reading a couple of chapters, I saw that he was not going to change his statement, go back and correct himself so I closed the book. It is arrogant to assume that everyone is like you and that everyone is equally conscious and awake. This is not the objective truth and you can see it all around you.
Consciousness is more than just being the opposite of dead. To be conscious is to observe and perceive everything you do, everything you think and everything that happens. Like hawk eye vision in life. The first time you attend something that require your consciousness it needs to be done fully conscious from the beginning to the end. One could argue that your posts are not written in a conscious state, and that you are stuck in a Vanilla Sky simulation.
Just because you jumped into the IRC, got the link and participated does not mean it was the way intended. Did you read the information prior to joining? Good. Do you believe everyone else that participate in the session will do it exactly the same way you did? Arrogant to think such things.
In the midst of randomness, there was an unannounced session on astral projection yesterday with 3 newcomers and 4 veterans. This was not written anywhere but yet it took place. The same procedure took place: Read up, (Sign up), Show up and Get out.
The sessions are guided and supported to allow questions to be answered during the activities. I recommend to only record the session for private use after that person has done the session.
>Not a single post is still in this thread of people that signed up in the past, because they are deleted after each session.
>This cleans up the thread and keeps it neat.
>Your argument is now void.
Then what are:
>>8860
>>8806
>>8800
>>8746
>>8728
>>8666
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>>8429
>>8320
>>8299
>>8297
>>8290
>>8289
I think my point still stands.
>A user that writes about the experiences of the session ends up in the testimonial section and the post is removed from the thread.
I haven't seen any new testimonials though.
>If I need more space for my sessions I'll make a board dedicated to it.
We don't need that. Just take a look at /div/ and /arcane/.
>For now it's just a thread and a simple html page.
More then enough.
>>Being physically awake means that they are more then likely capable of thought, will, or perception. (The definition of being conscious)
>When I read René Descartes collected work for fun, on one of his first chapters he stated:
>>"I assume that everyone is like me. Equal opportunities, equal intelligence and equal strength."
>After reading a couple of chapters, I saw that he was not going to change his statement, go back and correct himself so I closed the book. It is arrogant to assume that everyone is like you and that everyone is equally conscious and awake. This is not the objective truth and you can see it all around you.
I never wrote anywhere that I meant conscious in the advanced spiritual sense. I even stated the simple definition. If someone did not meet those basic requirements and was able to sign up or show up, they would have to be possessed or similar.
>Just because you jumped into the IRC, got the link and participated does not mean it was the way intended. Did you read the information prior to joining? Good. Do you believe everyone else that participate in the session will do it exactly the same way you did? Arrogant to think such things.
Not necessarily. They would have needed to read the basic information posted around to actually come about to doing that. If they didn't check the html page, and read the basic rules, they would not know where to even look for the session. By even showing up in the IRC and asking for it, they will have more then likely read a good amount of text on your .html page.
>In the midst of randomness, there was an unannounced session on astral projection yesterday with 3 newcomers and 4 veterans. This was not written anywhere but yet it took place. The same procedure took place: Read up, (Sign up), Show up and Get out.
I do not understand how the same procedures would take place if:
#1 Unannounced and not written anywhere
Which therefore does not provide anyone else to
>Read up, (Sign up), Show up
Unless you require the few people who did know about it go through the requirements of stated above. Even then, people who would browse this thread and the html page would not have been given a chance.
>After reading a couple of chapters, I saw that he was not going to change his statement, go back and correct himself so I closed the book
Seriously? You dismissed a famously influential thinker because you disagreed with a single statement of his? It's not like he actually thought everyone was equal anyway - he was almost certainly making that assumption for the sake of argument.
Testimonial for the ego session:
The session was fruitful. By initiating confrontation with the ego, several personal stumbling blocks to meditation were uncovered. The discussion also spring-boarded some productive private contemplation. Overall, would highly recommend, especially to anyone having trouble mastering that critical skill.
I heard from a friend it was bullshit rambling about tulpas, hamburgers, and the holocaust for most of it. Then some "don't come from your ego, come from inside" type sounding shit that is basically still all about the ego.
>would not recommend from what I heard
I agree with this user as well.
There are far better books out there upon this subject then this guy's shitty class. I do not think he even knows what the ego fully is himself and is giving biased to everyone who attends.
