/fringe/ - Fringe

This will be my first time posting about this topic. I will start by giving my view on this. It may get pretty long but there's a reason I need to lay this out properly.

You may be familiar with threads like this one:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160118191619/http://8ch.net/fringe/res/18822.html

Posters are asked to make a pledge in the style of Anonymous Alcholics or Weight Watchers and if you fail you have to post a confession. This is intended to shame you into giving up your obsession, but this is moralist method, it's not scientific in any way.

The problem with this approach is that it relies heavily on willpower alone. There's no step-by-step way of working yourself through it.

What I present is going to focus on searching yourself and finding your own motivations, this is what I myself used with success.

To use the similarities with over eating/drinking, I'll start by retelling from memory an interview with Micheal Mosley, a brittish doctor, author and creator of the 5:2 diet.

These are his main points

>it's a common idea that you need to eat to maintain your blood sugar level

>if you don't eat for a while, you get tired and in a bad mood, and you think you need to eat to raise your blood sugar

>this is false, we've found by measuring blood sugar levels that when people experience "low blood sugar" it's not actully lower than normal

>you get in a bad mood because you are used to eating, it's a habit

>people don't eat because they are hungry, they eat because it's time for breakfast, time for lunch etc

>in reality you could go 5 days without eating and your blood sugar level won't drop, your body will produce glucose using your fat reserve

So what we are talking about here, is going against conventional scienctific "truths" and accepted methods for handling these issues.

It's a problem with your habits, and with your notions of what the problem is.

Transferring this to NoFap

How did you start masturbating, at the very beginning? Do you remember it?

Did it really feel good at first?

I'm going to make the point right here at the start and then support it with my personal story.

Masturbating is just massage, it does not automatically give you any sexual arousal or pleasure.

It's just like with eating, you don't need it to raise blood sugar - you just think you do. When learning how to masturbate, you created a notion, linking massage of your genitals with sexual arousal and pleasure. This is not hardwired in your brain or body, it's something you formed. By repeating this action you are making it stronger and by adding porn to it, you are creating a more complex concept. You now think watching other people have sex is something that gives you pleasure.

It's at this time easy to add in the widespread conspiracy theories of (((who))) wants people to do this, because you are literally programming yourself to enjoy getting "cucked", right? It's all fine to discuss this, but let's keep that to a minimum in this thread. Let's try and help each other get out of this first.

Just like with the idea that you need to eat to gain energy when feeling tired, you have created the idea that you need to fap to feel better and relax. You also think sexual pleasure comes from physical stimulation of your genitals. This is also a false idea. Sexual pleasure and excitement comes from your mind only. Somewhere in there, you have an idea that gives you a positive feeling. You've manually linked this idea to masturbation and porn, creating the illusion that you will feel good by fapping and porn watching.

>My personal story

I tried the conventional NoFap way back in 2003 -2004 and it seemed to work ok. For a while. I could go a few weeks at first, then set a record at 8 weeks. But it would always end in a fail. This caused me to give up. I had some vague idea that I need to go deeper with this and find the real reason I feel like fapping is something desirable. It's not even in line with my values, I don't want to do it.

So I thought I'd get socially involved, whatever reason I there is, I should replace this time alone with time when I'm not alone. So I did what I thought was what I wanted in the sexual area, and I ended up realizing I don't even like it. Other people are morons, they do things without thinking and they have kids way too early, their lives are miserable and they have no goals in life. Being like them or with them isn't desirable either.

I ended up back alone but richer in experience.

Over time I tried different things and realized there seems like a way out in finding what your original "excitement" or "fetish" really is. If that part can be made known, I'd find a way to make it physical and then it would be gone. That's the logic I used.

After going online and browsing places like 4chan /gif/ for a while I found it's really just the same old webm:s being reposted and on other sites it's the same old vids everywhere. The actual number of individual themes in porn are quite limited. Whatever combinations you try, it comes down to these categories and it's the same everywhere.

Then the question is, why do I care, I already know what it's about. There's no need to watch it. I started identifying exactly what aspect of a clip I found interesting, went on to associate it with something else in a normal setting.

Like for example:

>I like this vid because of the girl's tits

>what girl I know of in real life has similar tits?

>why am I not focusing on her instead then?

>see reasons why - it's impractical, she has an annoying personality etc

>so the idea of getting beyond the initial visual interest is actually futile

>at this point, why do I do more than just watch it?

>I can just watch the girl I know of when meeting her and leave it at that

>no need for porn or further action, problem solved

By breaking down every little thing like this, I gradually started getting closer to the original idea, the reason I started looking for something online in the first place.

In the end, it just clicked into place one morning

>how can touching genitals feel good?

>what really feels good is just thinking about something, so it's just an idea

>really felt something happen in my mind

>try fapping again, doesn't feel good, it's just like getting a massage

End of story.

Not your fucking blog nigger.

>>9189

This is not a /fringe/ topic.

I on the other hand appreciate this thread. Let's discuss masturbation

So OP your point is, you stopped jerking off because you came to believe there is no point in doing so? You also said that you basically decided not to pursue any women because you think that is not a worthy endeavor on itself, right? But take my case for example, I know jerking off is useless, but it still feels good. Very few things make me feel this good. And it is very easy to obtain. Knowing that it won't get me anywhere has never helped me stop masturbating.

>how can touching genitals feel good?

>what really feels good is just thinking about something, so it's just an idea

>yeah but that idea makes me feel good

>let's masturbate again

>>9196

This is where you try and deconstruct why you feel like masturbation is the "fix" you need.

>When learning how to masturbate, you created a notion, linking massage of your genitals with sexual arousal and pleasure. This is not hardwired in your brain or body, it's something you formed. By repeating this action you are making it stronger

It feels good because you've learned to feel this way about it, and it's fully possible to link this positive feeling to something else that you find more beneficial to your life. But you need to know what this positive feeling is, identify it by being observant on your mind.

Your mind is focused on something, or masturbation won't feel good. It's not the touching of your genitals in itself that has this effect, it's your mental focus.

You can try to focus your mind in the same way while remaining still just sitting there. If done right you will have the same positive feeling with no masturbation.

This last part's even been mentioned in one of the American Pie movies, it's not a strange concept.

>>9196

>you basically decided not to pursue any women because you think that is not a worthy endeavor on itself

Not for this specific purpose. If I can create the same feeling by just meditating and controlling my mind, why would I need social interaction. It kinda shows how false and useless that kind of interaction is. I can spend my time on better things, with women or without, it depends on what the goal is.

I do want to get married but not for something like this, and I don't want a wife who only uses me for this either.

>>9189

What a stupid thread.

You're on /fringe/ y'know. A little energy work and you'll never have to worry about this stuff ever again.

For the past year I've tried quitting fapping but every time I fail.

The longest I've been able to go without was 1 week or so.

The strange thing is that I can perfectly not fap when I'm awake BUT I fap when I am semi-asleep!

I wake up in the nights with an erection and I just grab my penis and start masturbating, sometimes I say no but most of the times I just can't hold back against the lust.

I used to watch porn for 10 years and I quit it 2 years ago.

Also I always masturbated with my left hand even though I'm right-handed.

I really want to go a full month without fapping just to see how it will be, I'm really thinking of trying to manually defeat this "demon" which attacks me in my sleep by wearing something like this but only bigger because I don't want to block erections too.

>>9216

Ah repressed sexuality and a moral complex, what blessings Judeo-Christianity has given you, truly Yaweh is a kind G-d.

Seriously just do some energy work ya schmuckola, stop being such a goy.

>>9217

I actually don't browse that much here, what kind of energy work? Q-M meditation? Got any good books to recomend?

>>9218

Just use

>>108

>>9218

sticky>initiate's gold>cultivating male sexual energy

>>9229

the sticky in the library that is

THE KEY IS TO TAPER NOT JUST SUDDENLY STOP

just look at the catholic church to see what happens when you just suddenly stop

PRO-TIP: Another benefit of sleeping on the floor is that you won't jerk off before and after you sleep!

>>9345

>sleeping laying down

How are you making spiritual gains?

>>9345

>just look at the catholic church to see what happens when you just suddenly stop

what did he mean by this?

>>9349

When you don't masturbate you become jewish and rape young boys.

>>9191

Yes it is. Cultivation of the sexual force within oneself allows for said energy to be wielded to practical magical ends instead of squandering it on ephemeral sense pleasure.

It is a practical requirement for extreme practices such as inedia or agelessness.

>>9359

There is nothing in the OP which would be out of place on a mundane website. Even the stupid name 'NoFap' is distinctly mundane. You have to apply esoteric learning to a topic to make it /fringe/worthy, otherwise it might as well be on /b/. If people are going to do that in the replies then fine, but the OP is extremely irritating.

There is only one thing about fap that you should consider and that really matters. Only the most experienced wizards will get the importance of following statement: with every fap, your inner child connects more and more to the comfort as its main god. If you fap enough, you'll reinstall your paradigm to such that values comfort the most. If you have experience in the belief manipulation and chaos magick in general, and you can swap your core values around like pairs of gloves, then it's not a problem for you. But having sexual pleasure/comfort as your core value is a really shitty place to be if you've ever tasted the bliss of having other sources of meaning as your gods. Even from a hedonistic perspective, it's not efficient to masturbate often.

However, I have to say, fap once in a while shouldn't have such effect. Besides, it's probably more about porn than about fap anyways.

>>9362

>If you have experience in the belief manipulation and chaos magick in general

>chaos magick

[BULLSHIT SISSY 'WIZARD']

>>9189

Well, try not to fucking eat for 5 days I'll see how you feel.

You doc is full of shit, Michael Mosley.

So many doctors here and there. In the end we all know what we need to do and it's obviously not to waste time listening to some Dr.ShittyKnowItAll. Sit the fuck down and do what needs to be done.

>>9216

Worst part of fapping is porn, just fap if you have to with imagination every two weeks.

>>9903

> Sit the fuck down and do what needs to be done.

That's retarded broscience, the very reason people fail. But if you're one of (((those people)) who make money selling useless programs for weight loss, porn addiction therapy etc, you're not going to like it when someone shows people an easy way to succed for free. Sucks when you made it your main source of income to sell snake oil and people expose you, right?

why is wacking it bad?

>Three weeks in

>Skin glowing

>Eyes brighter

>Hair more vibrant

>Vivid dreams

>Automatically waking up after 5-6 hours of sleep

Now, I'm as degenerate as they come and by no means have a religious complex, but somehow I know that an extended period of celibacy before a big event is a huge boon. I wouldn't be surprised if it were all a placebo, but are there any paranormal precedents to think otherwise?

Do any of you astral/aura fags see a difference? OTO and Crowley fags eat their own cum, so there's at least something there.

>>9189

You shouldn't even try this stuff without first having a goal to work towards. You'll fuck yourself up if you're just gonna be a guy alone in his room trying not to touch his dick or open up a bunch of new tabs.

I suppose this could if nothing else act as a pledge thread.

Pledging 30 days

recently broke my old one, good news though apparently I have a very suckable cock according to homos and sluts

>>9903

>Well, try not to fucking eat for 5 days I'll see how you feel.

Is this a meme post or do these people actually use fringechan.

>not being able to dry-fast for a week without feeling bad

>thinking that's healthy

>>9215

Can you please teach me?

Pledge 30 days

>masturbate daily for years, many times more than once a day

>go completely celibate for nearly half a year (started in august)

>I've masturbated twice this month because I've been slacking on energy work and without it MUH DIK gets inhumanly hard like solid rock at inopportune times

>realize I have actually been impotent the majority of my life and had never had a healthy erection to due overstimulation

Masturbation kills! Emasculation is forever!

I'd nofap if I could withstand the raw force of my sexual energy. I got to 2 days and couldn't fall asleep till 4 am, and then I got up around 7am. It'd be cool except it leaves me in a whack state of mind between waking and sleep almost.

How do I control all this energy? I can masturbate 20+ times a day and still never go dry, I swear it's only gotten worse since my teenage years… I've dropped down to once or twice a day only so I can maintain a functioning state of mind but I want to stop completely.

>>11168

>I got to 2 days

It's like fasting, it's hard until you reach the threshold point and then it's piss easy. If you can last 7 days without fapping the urge will begin to lessen.

If you masturbate 20 times a day likely you are unable to get a true erection, if there is ANY bend at all to your erect penis it is semi-flacid.

>>11175

LEARN TO READ DUMBASS

I got to 2 days because I couldnt sleep and I made the conscious decision to fap to be able to fall asleep. I CAN fap 20 times a day, but that doesn't mean I do, I was just explaining how much raw sexual energy I output.

For fucks sake were you born retarded or were you just dropped on your head? Stop masturbating your own ego just because you don't fap. You couldn't even find the question in my post.

>>11189

>being THIS mad

hahaha just fuckin walk away from the screen nigga

>>11204

>assuming Id actually get mad and throw loosh out onto this forum

>try sensing the subtle energies behind the projections scrub

>thanks for the loosh

>>11206

>forum

Get the fuck out.

>>11208

>being this triggered

huehuehuehuehue

>>11210

>getting this mad your shitposting threads have failed

this will be the first time i attempt to no fap hope this will cleanse me I will try a week so I can finally begin gaining more knowledge and power

>>11215

You must be mistaking me for someone else.

>>11168

That's my contribution to this thread. I'm just here looking for a way to control the ridiculous amount of raw sexual energy I have. The trolling is just a bonus until I actually get the response I want.

>>11217

damnit i just failed

If you masturbate to the point where you almost cum is it ok?

The whole point isn't to stop fapping, it's to train the will. Much like various other practices that involve fasting and vigorous exercise and other things.

I thank you OP, we needed one of these threads here.

It's been awhile since I reported in, the better part of a year. I had thought myself over it, and for a time there would be several weeks in which I could refrain. I managed to attack my reasoning not unlike you and so it became a lot less of an issue.

However somewhere along the line I decided it was ok to cum if I was using it to power magic. This was a mistake, not because anything blew up in my face per se, just that it slippery sloped back into daily masturbation.

I must stop this, I must swear to myself, I shall not spill my seed for any reason save lovemaking. Even if I require energy for my magics I shall not cannibalize my very own being for it. It's the very definition of self destructive and I for my own highest good, I need stop.

I'll start small again. I pledge 3 days.

>>11416

It's also to cultivate the sexual-creative energy/jing, to purify it and put it to good use instead of just using it for a ephemeral dopamine high.

>>11166

>realize I have actually been impotent the majority of my life and had never had a healthy erection due to overstimulation

This is interesting. Really, I'm thinking it might be a big deal.

I've come to the same realization a few times. I should clarify that it's not obvious impotence. It's the discovery of a steel-like state that makes normality look flaccid in comparison. But it's fleeting. A period of celibacy leads to attaining an erection so powerful that it seems the habitual masturbator is working with a joke. Then, chasing that power again, old habits return and it's lost. To experience it makes you wonder if this isn't something we should be able to have at any given time, especially when meeting the right partner. It's no wonder so many men feel inadequate when dudes are pretty much going around trying to fuck with semis. Perhaps it's no wonder cheating and fantasy chasing are so common. Maybe everyone's looking for something because we're doing it all wrong at the most fundamental level, ruining the foundations of our sex lives?

This may seem overdramatic if you've never had an erection so hard that

1) it looks completely different than normal

2) ejaculation becomes temporarily impossible

Anyone got any insight on this? Books to read? Anecdotes? Feels weird asking about dick-related energy work, but fuck it.

Today instead of jerking off I'm going to run 4 laps around my block and then come home and take a shower with cold water.

It's so hard to not jerk off…feels too good. Almost addictive. Totally addictive.

>>11622

>ejaculation becomes temporarily impossible

Sounds like the way it should be, to function properly. I don't know if I've experienced it, but I did realize I hadn't woken up with erection in the morning for a long time, when I did again.

Someone suggested it was caused by sleeping to short/too long because of using an alarm clock, and I just accepted that theory. Turns out I was wrong. Not ejaculating daily is the deal.

THREAD THEME:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBO5PbpDPng

pledging 7 days

1/3/17 to 1/10/17

I fapped 5 minutes into the beginning of 2017

I spent several hours having sexual daydreams again.

I pledge one day.

Fapped new years day and quit since. Had a sex dream last night so Im posting here for more self assurance. Also gonna try to get laid so I dont have to fap.

sort of related, regarding Mantak Chia's Multi Orgasmic Man

I am able to orgasm with ejaculating by contracting the perineum, but after I lose arousal as I normally would. Any insights?

nofap is legit but only if you're developed enough to actually harness it and distribute the energy through energy work to the rest of the body.

sets your teeth on edge, fills you with energy, gives you a concise grace in your movement and thought, lifts depression, releaves you of the mindfog that wont let you see and makes you more beautiful in the eyes of the world, not just in facial muscles no longer conveying aggression, sadness and wanting, your soul is not tarnished with the negative emotions you conjured during the fapping, rage, needless and loveless desire, wanting..

Get good, learn love.

>>11605

I did fail around the 2.5 day mark, and then I reasoned a rub off the next morning too but 3 days fasting now complete. Both sexually and also from food. I find it better and easier this way and more revitalizing too.

I rather like the feeling of not being full of shit, and it takes at least 2 days to get most of it out any way so I don't really even feel as though proper fasting has even started until then. And not partaking in all the carnal thought forms/desires present in the majority of food helps too.

Pledging 5 days nofap.

I got close to 30 days on the first try but I failed at 27 and ever since it's been harder to try again.

I'll just pledge a week to start small

But if you don't fap, then how do you get the daily semen breakfast?

>>11830

You fast

>>11830

>Daily semen breakfast

thats easy, you see every area has what we call prostitutes, you can find a male one and pay some cash to get a nice semen breakfast

>>11830

Find someone to feed you, just like the other anon said :^)

Although I'd think you'd rather fast than go for a prostitute.

>>9362

This is true, Fap without any pronz = Profit

Not easy at first with just using your imagination

>>11880

If you have to pay to suck strange dicks, either you are burn-victim ugly or you have no idea how easy it is to find gay sex.

Pledging 2 months 23. Of march

>because you are literally programming yourself to enjoy getting "cucked", right?

If this really is the (((idea))) behind it or not I do not know. However, I'd argue that most people watching porn use it to spark the imagination of them having sex in their head. I identify myself with the male in that porn. That's also why there are many things the male can do that breaks this immersion and ruins the porn for me. I also find porn that actively plays on the idea of cuckolding to be pretty unerotic.

Now you might say "That's what (((they))) want you to think!" but like you said:

>Sexual pleasure and excitement comes from your mind only.

And within my mind, I am not getting cucked.

>Somewhere in there, you have an idea that gives you a positive feeling.

And that idea is me being in the position the guy is in. And I am guessing I am not alone in this.

What you percieve within you is what happens within you. This does not just apply to this example - it is a core concept behind many topics of /fringe/, in fact. And there are even ways to generate energy through fapping instead of losing it, look up "Ankhing" which is taking control of your energy as you reach orgasm without ejaculating.

I'm not saying the whole NoFap idea is bullshit, quite the opposite, it doesn't matter if you don't give up your energy because you don't ejactulate, because you don't fap at all or just because your own perception of yourself prevents it. Do whatever works for you.

Everyone is different so everyone can take a different path and still reach their goal.

>>12600

> (((idea)))

Because absolutely fucking everything has to be a Jewish conspiracy. There's not a single bad thing in the world which isn't cunningly engineered by da joos.

>>12600

> that idea is me being in the position the guy is in

Seen as an instructional video for a sexual technique may be ok. But how many people really watch porn with the intention of learning something new to use with their partner?

If that's how you use it, I have no objection. Still there is the fact you are watching another man fuck a woman you desire. If she's ugly to you, most likely you won't watch that vid because you can't identify with the act at all. Gaining pleasure from watching another man fuck a woman you want, that's the meaning of cuckold.

You may not be cucked in your mind but the act of watching the porn is a kind of cucking if you enjoy it in itself. That's the difference between masturbation and just keeping your sexual function in shape. It's easy to imagine some people would use the excuse that they are learning something when in fact they enjoy the simplicity of the porn itself.

Are you an enthusiast of sex, women or porn? Or just trying to harness male energy. The last part shouldn't need any physical touch in junction with porn, at least not in the long run.

Mahatma Ghandi supposedly slept next to teen girls to "exercise restraint" and give up desire. But do you see any monks doing this? You don't need to actively tempt yourself to avoid temptations, then you shouldn't bring those girls in the first place, that's the temptation you fell for in that example.

>>12602

And to underline that exact ridiculousness you just pointed out people put their (((words))) like that.

>>9215

>>9229

I got half way through Chia's cultivation of Male Sexual Energy and started doing the practices and it caused a burning sensation in my urethra, though the testicle breathing seemed to work.

Apparently it's incredibly dangerous and harmful to your body with the locking and the stagnation of energy which can burn your insides. Not really sold on the idea anymore after reading people's horrifying testimonies with the practices.

Are there other recommendations for sexual energy cultivation? There's lots of websites advocating Chia's theory, but I've only found the doabums.com having any anecdotal evidence and they all say to avoid it entirely.

So far, you're full of shit.

>>12666

>reddit told me not to do this because some CIA disinfo operatives on it said its bad you are all liars

You're retarded, die.

>>12666

>Wasting those trips on a post like that

It's said multiple time that you need to circulate the energy through the microcosmic orbit. The method is right. It's just that people do it without getting the requirements first and then hurt themselves.

It's like vegan diet all over again.

>>12669

witty and insightful

>>12669

It's peculiar there's no one on the these or other forums discussing their positive experiences with Chia's practices. Just the opposite. Really makes you think.

Oh my god this site is so fucking done.

Abstaining from sex of any kind for a long time shuts down your testosterone. You are basically castrating yourself by doing this nofap bullshit.

Get a girlfriend instead and have her give you handjobs.

>>12739

This is why you masturbate literally ONCE a week. It keeps testosterone at the highest level it can maintain. Also practice not ejaculating when your orgasm each time you go a round.

>>12741

>>12739

>Advocating spilling your seed. Ever.

No, you are the one's without understanding of the soul level processes at work here. But then again I don't really expect you to understand.

>>12745

>mfw I've read Cultivating Male Sexual Energy

>mfw you probably have no friends because youre too cynical and conceited

>>11272

I've been doing that once a day for 20 days now and I've been experiencing the same effects that the abstainers were having except without the crippling depression that usually comes with nofap. In fact, since I've been incorporating energy work into it, I've been experiencing rolling orgasms that last for an about an hour. It's the type of full body orgasm that makes you spasm in ecstasy, unable to steady the convulsions until you say to yourself "okay fuck this" and reverse the orbit so that the orgasm stops.

The trick is to have the willpower to stop before you cum even though every ounce of your body is telling you to inseminate that bitch with your rock hard erection. Just pull the energy out until it goes flaccid. I don't really get ball pain anymore after the second weak. Rather, feel my sack tingling like there's a mass migration of sperm crawling around in there.

For the past few days I've been fucking around with trying to figure out the full body male orgasm as I've had trouble with it. I finally figured it out and I must say WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK. I was only able to kickstart it and it was too much. This morning I just intuitively moved the energy through the microcosmic orbit and my whole body felt like it was covered in needles and my skin began slightly vibrating. This has given me the full incentive to go NoFap(ejaculate).

Coming from a no fap skeptic, this shit is real. Go read Cultivating the Male Sexual Energy or The Multi Orgasmic Male motherfuckers. I'm on such high alert right now. I could actually feel the sexual energy being sucked out of my groin and moving up my body. This energy is so potent.

>>12984

>>12958

I read these books and while there is a lot of text, it all seems to come down to drawing the sexual pleasure upward the spine.

Is there some detail that was the breakthrough for you? Like, you were doing something wrong and only then you got the click

Total noob here, and I haven't read Cultivating Male Sexual Energy yet, but I did have one profound experience.

I remember having an orgasm, but for whatever reason I was distracted by some discomfort (if I remember correctly, the band from my pants was pressing on my perenulum too hard) and tensed myself and felt like my spine was sucking up energy from the orgasm. The energy then settled on the region where the lowermost rib meets the spine, and, holy fuck, I felt one of the most pleasant, relaxed sensations ever. I also felt confident and unafraid, like I was being held. I experienced a powerful demonstration of the solar plexus chaka firsthand. It lasted until I fell asleep (about thirty minutes later).

>>13034

It's more about controlling where the energy go. When you orgasm, energy go through the spine to the crown then poof, everything get lost in the ether. Same way you lose your essence when ejaculating. Semen charged in energy get released, and poof, no more Jing.

The trick is learning to control that rush of energy and put it where you want. Circulating it through the microcosmic orbit will energize and rejuvenate your body in full. But as >>13046 experienced, you can put that energy where you want in your body. Or use it for magick purpose, like charging a sigil for exemple.

But do your energy work first, it's a lot of dense energy, and you might hurt yourself by not doing it right/havind a weak body.

>>13034

Mantak mentioned it takes about a month for the pressure to build up enough so that the fluid can travel up the spine. It wasn't until I started doing the microcosmic orbit when I had the breakthrough. As I felt the energy going up the spine it sent me into blissful convulsions until I directed it down the front and around my legs in a figure eight. It even made my legs spasm slightly. Since then I was compelled to perform further meditations and have been doing the following daily in addition to the microcosmic figure 8.

https://youtu.be/zVVuy1lU1vo

https://youtu.be/47O1fQs6f_0

https://youtu.be/XyUOgHVsDiY

https://youtu.be/40XOdpOAX0o

>>13046

>>13048

>>13049

1. Do you relax the kegels and allow the subconscious do the work naturally, or do you actively contract something in pelvic area?

I ask because I always find myself torn between two conflicting methodologies. First one is that I relax all contractions in my body and don't move, don't do anything. I'm sure you know this type of meditative, relaxed state in which moving energy with your mind is effective. The second methodology involves attempts at waving the spine, contracting abdomen and prostate, or relaxing abdomen and prostate.

2. Do you do anterior or posterior pelvic tilt?

3. Do you sit on your heel as to put pressure on prostate/close the circuit?

4. Do you do anything with prostate eg. try to contract pelvic walls on it?

>>13098

1. I empty my mind of all intruding thoughts and focus exclusively on the microcosmic orbit.

2. I do a posterior pelvic tilt

3. I sit on a hard chair that puts pressure on my prostate area and let my balls hang over the front.

4. I've grown accustomed to anal sex so that may have resulted in a "shamanic de-armoring" of the anal walls, which allowed for an easier flow of energy.

>>13108

>I've grown accustomed to anal sex so that may have resulted in a "shamanic de-armoring" of the anal walls, which allowed for an easier flow of energy.

Now that's some fucking degeneracy. I almost wished you had spoilered that shit.

>>13108

Is it normal that I have very restless energy in legs during all the orgasms? Should I do something, or just let it be?

Don't get me wrong - I don't have Kundalini syndrome and I can sleep fine. The restless energy in legs only takes place during orgasms. Upper body convulses pleasantly, but legs feel like electricity is being run through them. It is not painful, although feels like I'm doing something wrong about the legs.

>>13109

To be quite honest, anon, the degeneracy meme has really become out-of-hand on /pol/. I remember a thread where a Slovak woman was shat on by half the thread just because she pissed on a copy of the Koran before burning it. The degeneracy meme is shutting down discussion for a lot of topics, and creating a lot of moralists who do nothing for us but provoke infighting.

>>13142

Well that's clearly out of hand but we should be exceeding cautious of what is tolerated. That's nearly just as much anon's fault for taking the bait though.

>>13146

>we should be exceeding cautious of what is tolerated

>picrel

Totally not on point, at least in the context of degeneracy meme in the related post. Homosex has been part of our civilization for as long as the civilization has existed and it was only after the spread of Judaism and other religions influenced by Judaism that it became viewed as unnatural or degenerate.

For example it was not only tolerated but also accepted in Sumer which was the oldest civilization or in ancient Greece and Rome which were pivotal to European culture.

>>13153

This.

I'm curious as to why the Nationalist Sphere has recently become so hysterical about this. I often fear being banned for saying stuff like this. Thankfully this isn't 8/pol/, and we're freer here. My guess is that a large element of the Christian/Puritans were subsumed by the Alt-Right. This doesn't seem to explain people like Varg, though, and the many posters who concur that homosexuality is bad, is like a disease that spreads, and (I don't jest) that many consider homosexuals to be worse than race-mixers!

I mean, half of the shit I read on 8/pol/ must come from shills, because they're too motivated and try to push a lot of other contrived arguments, and always try to instigate us to infighting with TRS "because they are homos", but this doesn't explain the popularity of this kind of commenter on, say, JewTube.

How am I doing, mods? I guess I should try to keep it light on chan discussions here as it might be better suited to /arcane/ and it might derail the thread.

>>13146

>we should be exceedingly cautious of what is tolerated

But why? Wasn't it the allure of anonymous imageboards that you could speak about absolutely anything?

>>13155

>being surprised that /pol/ is misinformed

I view /pol/ as just another counter-culture movement, disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing and being non-conformist, while still blindly conforming to their Internet peers. They concur that homosexuals are bad because others concur the same.

I respect Varg, he released some great albums and many of his YT videos make perfect sense, but still, others don't.

It doesn't help that the discussion about homosexuality is extremely polarized and the subject was a heavy taboo for 1000+ years in Europe. All of the current Western culture is pervaded by Christian ideas about right and wrong and even if someone has rejected Christianity, the conditioning oftentimes remains. It is not so easy to just "stop being" Christian. You literally have to deprogram yourself and rebuild your views about the world from the ground up. Something /pol/ isn't capable of imho, as they seem to replace one programming with the other. Even their "magic" is just constructing a thoughtform to which they blindly give praises. Details aside, it's not so different from any devotional cults in Christianity.

The image of homosexuals as deviants, which is present in media only adds insult to injury as it prevents homosexual movements and individuals alike from getting back in touch with their own nature, although many homosexuals detach themselves from them as they see it doesn't do them any favors. Were I a /pol/ack I'd say that (((they))) are pushing for such a view of gays to further polarize people, divide et impera etc. Moreover, current state of society prevents many homosexuals from forming healthy relationships, as in many countries the only way to meet others like themselves is via cancer gay-dating sites or by engulfing themselves in "gay counter-culture" which is, because of it's "half-underground" nature, already in contact with lowlifes and people who care nothing for others and just for using them like objects to fulfillment of their low desires. They start there looking for friendship and companionship, but the version of relationship that these sites and communities promote often leaves them scarred. Of course the problem is not exclusive to homosexuals as straight people often find themselves in similar situations, jumping from relationship to relationship, etc but I think it is more pervasive in same-sex relationships.

While I don't denounce such lifestyle, after all anyone can live however they want to live their life (however personally I'd be unwilling to share the lifestyle), it contributes a great deal to overall homophobia I think. There are deviant homosexuals of course, but it is hardly the natural state of homosexual relations, but only a product of our times. I'd consider them a vocal minority, which is nevertheless presented in media as if they represented the whole.

So yeah, to sum up - I think the reason is Christian conditioning and their destruction of our civilization and also the fact that the image of gays present in media is distorted and it causes polarization of people regarding the matter. Maybe the fact that gays lost their original place in society - one connected with magic and spirituality is also a factor in this.

Sage for offtopic, if you want to discuss esoteric homosexuality or just discuss the political reasons/implications then maybe we should make a thread, seeing how the topic of homosexuality has came up multiple times on multiple threads always leading to people derailing the thread because dat's degenerate faggot.

>>13153

>>13155

Drawing a distinction between toleration of free speech and toleration or noncondemnation of action. Do I really need to go full/pol/ mode (I like how that meme pseudo-retroactively works now)? The reasons why homo is degen are legion.

>>13163

>The reasons why homo is degen are legion

Okay, please go on full/pol/ mode and tell us why homo is degen.

Anyway, the pic you posted talked about indifference towards unique values the civilization was created on, and homosexualism is (partly) one of them, so again - what's your point, as you didn't reply to any of this?

>>13164

Why are you putting me alongside the likes of them, the fuck did I do to you? :^)

Do I need to be a part of JoS to see how Christianity destroyed all cultures it was ever in contact with? That's some basic school knowledge, and since we are living in civilization built on their mythology, we are being programmed from birth with their values.

JoS are morons, Christians are morons. The world isn't black-and-white and you do not need to pick either.

>>13172

Just because there was homosex in a society does not mean homosex is what made that society, indeed little indeed if any generative things come out of those communities, modern or ancient.

Tolerance of degenerate elements in one generation will become acceptance of them in the next and embracing thereof in the next. Then society enters a state of crisis and people wonder why.

Taking this here >>>/arcane/423

>>13177

you're pathetic