/fringe/ - Fringe

Why do you still pursue the path? Initiates hastily gobble their green pills often for inane things such as power, pleasure and knowledge. Yet those of you further along the path know well that godlike power was always there for us, that infinite pleasure is but a thought away, and all possible knowledge resides within. However, there seems to be a catch; the power becomes meaningless when you grasp it, the pleasure is hollow when you feel it and the knowledge is depressingly pointless when you experience it.

So why continue? For what reasons should we continue to ascend? To become one with the universe and effectively die, leaving the dull remnants of your soul to dutifully take it's place as yet another cog in the vast cosmic machine? Or perhaps become your own god and suffer a solipsistic and lonely existence? When one disregards animal desire, why should we seek to help others? And where could a machine find entertainment in the torture of animals?

For me, it seems the universe has collapsed into a singularity of only myself. With all this potential, yet so far removed from humanity, I ask myself; why should I create this one more time?

I apologize in advance for this selfish thread, but the problem has been gnawing at my mind since I discovered or contrived it. Thankfully I am still a ways from experiencing it fully, but I aspire to keep my options open and know the lay of the land in any endeavour. The only reason I bother to type this thread is because I hold hope in my heart that there may be a solution for a final, eternal life that isn't becoming an inhuman machine or an infinite series of animal consciousnesses yet again; I fear even infinity may become tiresome.

Don't think about it

>>874

>Why do you still pursue the path?

To become completely realized with/as God, to join in active conscious union with all of creation and the force of creation, to help others along the path as I move into that, to be immortal realized in this fleshly form so I can most effectively transcend into my body of light in this lifetime, to bring unity based technology to the world, to aid in the raising of consciousness upon this world in this time, to bring healing and love wheresoever I tread and to be that living proof of the reality of God, that which is the birthright of all.

>So why continue?

My curiosity carries my own ward and my compassion compels me to help.

>For what reasons should we continue to ascend?

For me personally, the above stated reasons, and I have an inner calling driving me onward to unity with God.

>To become one with the universe and effectively die, leaving the dull remnants of your soul to dutifully take it's place as yet another cog in the vast cosmic machine?

That is not how it works. Merger with the all is not death, it is life beyond all imagining of those separate from it. There is nothing dull about it, it is conscious creation in all its glory and grandeur, across the entirety of existence. To shepherd the growth of all of creation while continuing to still yourself (as God Almighty on high) growing as well.

>Or perhaps become your own god and suffer a solipsistic and lonely existence?

Only lower life forms could ever suffer from loneliness, God is beyond that.

>When one disregards animal desire, why should we seek to help others?

As already stated, compassion, simple unconditional divine love.

>Where could a machine find entertainment in the torture of animals?

That is not the purpose of creation, far from it (growth is). Sadly some must pass through hell to become pure and awaken, but with awareness it need not be so.

Better to die standing than to live on your knees.

I will ascend because I can. I don't need to pretend the truth is not there because everything will end eventually. If you believe improving and ascending is not worth it, then die.

so I can be free of course

but really I do it because It's in the cards for me

Honestly, because I don't have anything else to do and I'm the sort of person that never stops feeling joy from growth, be it physical, mental or spiritual.

That's the pleasure, as far as knowledge and power go, using them for the sake of people that deserve some help is what also stirs me on to acquire more power and knowledge.

Basically take up a STO lifestyle and you'll have meaning for ascent, once you realize that the power you have is not enough to solve some problems.

I thank you all for your replies and I applaud the moderators for recognizing this thread as a Socratic dialogue rather than a 'question thread'.

>>876

Unfortunately, this is perhaps the worst answer to my understanding. Neither animals nor machines think about what they do, and I have no desire to become either.

>>878

Your reasons sound beautiful, and I wish you the greatest success on your journey. Compassion is a wonderful reason to endure the hardships we face, I will have to investigate whether I was right to write off love as merely a human emotion projected onto the godhead. However I reserve doubts because I have mostly followed the STO LHP, and I remain nervous at the idea of the RHP. I ask only from curiosity: with regards to the merger, why is it necessary in the first place? What is the difference between a cooperative ascendant and a merged ascendant? And what convinces you that this is not a plot to 'consume' souls using religious themes and promises as bait?

And to clarify, my point on the lonely god is not that it would experience loneliness, but it would be an entity apart from others, which is repulsive to my sensibilities. As a social creature, the idea of becoming an asocial machine fills me with dread.

>>879

I have continued this far because I hold hope. Having a solid foundation on which to stand is precisely why I ask these questions. To ascend merely because you can seems like a motivation which will see you flounder in the face of great adversity, perhaps even to become something you now would find abhorrent.

>>882

A fair reason. Sadly it being in the cards is precisely why I have reached this stage; I have been compelled to the path like the lay of the land leads an animal to water, yet now that I look into the depths, I realize that I must decide for myself whether to drink.

>>884

Growth is deeply fulfilling, but I wonder to what extent it can continue, and whether it's just an artifact of the third density which necessitates it. And as I replied to >>878, I have reservations on the universality of compassion. However, the idea that there are problems which can only be solved cooperatively interests me immensely, thank you for raising my awareness on them.

>>887

You worry too much, we're already ultimately connected to the All or God or whatever you want to call it, simply because we exist.

Think of it as a tree, right now you're on a pretty far away branch, connected to just a few other blanches, but as you move closer to the trunk of the tree, you'll be connected to more and more branches and leaves. (I mean the ones that branch out from your position further away from the trunk)

Sure your perspective on life and existence itself will be entirely different, something we cannot even imagine in our current mental states but I don't believe that it shall be a miserable existence.

>>874

>Why do you still pursue the path?

What other choice is there?

>>887

Also, I kinda feel for you OP, as I experience the same pain.

Truth be told, I hate this existence, the choices we have to make and the "path" itself. The all enclosing unity with All or myriads of illusions of maya.

If I could, I'd rip this universe apart from the All.

>>898

GET SO FUCKIN DARK IN HERE

>>902

COME COME FUCK APART IN HERE I

>>887

>I ask only from curiosity: with regards to the merger, why is it necessary in the first place?

It's the purpose of creation. I suppose that it is not strictly make it necessary, one could (attempt to?) remain STS eternally and thus be separate and not unified with the all if that was your desire.

>What is the difference between a cooperative ascendant and a merged ascendant?

This seems relevant here

http://montalk.net/metaphys/117/stages-of-conscious-awakening

In brief though, the answer to your question is the level of control one would have, in abstract, the difference between conscious asking and receiving vs active manifesting via the power of the self.

>And what convinces you that this is not a plot to 'consume' souls using religious themes and promises as bait?

The sheer level of indescribable energy, love, bliss, and joy that I feel as I help others, walk this path, and in meditation especially, connect to the divine. No one has told me or promised me anything, it is my by/through own experience I am driven to God.

>And to clarify, my point on the lonely god is not that it would experience loneliness, but it would be an entity apart from others, which is repulsive to my sensibilities.

>apart from others

I think you misunderstand what God is. There may be a part of God that is beyond all of manifest creation, however all of creation is within God, it is part of the body of God. When you reach that level all of creation is you, imagine as though ever part of all that is exists within your imagination, and is as close to you as your flesh or mind (as you presently exist) now, only more so.

>As a social creature, the idea of becoming an asocial machine fills me with dread.

I do not personally view God as asocial. In fact when I talk to/communicate with God you could argue he is socializing with me, and if I can do such, it stands to reason countless other beings are as well.

>>874

…I continue OP because I'm not a dumbass who decides it's pointless. I program myself to love it all. Why don't you? There is no compelling reason you can give me to feel the supposed hollowness or to give up my aspirations. I take great joy in it all, whether it's creating a simple thoughtform, moving an object a few feet, successfully mentally influencing someone, healing someone, meditating for an hour, whatever.

All of it is wonderful. It is my way of perceiving it. I as a spiritual being may choose to love it all.

>>874

Eventually you will grow sick of the lower desires, they will fall away from you, you will set your sights higher, and you will take the next step of conscious evolution. It is the way of all things. Perhaps you are not on who feels the calling, who is naturally attracted to the higher life, and wants to spend another incarnation still in a mundane, somewhat helpless, animal-like state.

Eventually though, even if the absolute power still is too abstract and horrifying for you, you will want to take at least one step forward. I don't want to be God yet. I still want to turn this human personality and body into something golden, something wonderful. I take it one step at a time and I don't experience the disappointment you do at advancing forward.

You may wish to help others because it is your calling. It is your natural inclination. It is; what you want to do. If you don't, if the sum of your desires don't compel you that way, perhaps your focus should be on yourself. …or maybe you want neither self-improvement nor to help others and that is fine, you may go and do your evil, and you will grow sick of it or you feel you've got it out of the way, whatever; then you will perhaps again be inspired to a virtuous path.

>I hold hope in my heart that there may be a solution for a final, eternal life that isn't becoming an inhuman machine or an infinite series of animal consciousnesses yet again; I fear even infinity may become tiresome.

Well you're in luck there. Infinity IS the solution to what you are talking about. The all is INFINITE. This enables freedom, this means not everything has to be a recurring loop.

>>887

>I thank you all for your replies and I applaud the moderators for recognizing this thread as a Socratic dialogue rather than a 'question thread'.

It's obviously not a question thread…

>>1057

No YOU'RE obviously not a question thread

Because I'm afraid of dying

>>1062

But your body is going to die one day, why fear it?

YOU are not going to die anon.

YOU are eternal.

>>1063

>But your body is going to die one day, why fear it?

You can believe-manifest that if you wish, I on the other hand am going to magic myself immortality so I can transcend this physical realm without having to return in another life.

>>1063

Me personally I'd be rather concerned about what kind of consciousness configuration one would end up with next.

I want to direct the course of my reincarnation, consciously, without losing information and progress.

>>1095

>>1100

My plan is a combination of these two, my body is immortal till I reach an acceptable level of spiritual development, including conscious reincarnation.

Living longer than necessary on this physical realm is pure suffering though.

>>1100

>I want to direct the course of my reincarnation, consciously, without losing information and progress.

This is my goal as well. How can this be done?

>>1063

A great number of people have died before me and not a single one of them seems to have made it back.

Out of all the many millions who have died I can imagine there must have been at least some with extensive knowledge of the occult. Out of those not a single one seems to have remained alive after death, or if they have they certainly have not bothered coming back to confirm what is there to see on the other side.

So I do want to believe I will go on living forever but so far odds seem to be against me

>>1143

maybe so. I mean, aren't we all reincarnated?

>>1143

By the time a man is capable of remembering his past life, he has most likely learned why he shouldn't be yelling that he has extensive knowledge and power.

>>1150

^

>>1143

>they have they certainly have not bothered coming back to confirm what is there to see on the other side.

While not exactly intentional Many Lives, Many Masters: The True Story of a Prominent Psychiatrist, His Young Patient, and the Past-Life Therapy That Changed Both Their Lives by Brian L. Weiss

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=e8dfb33bac7c1fe0ec652294191ed695

Makes a good case and is not of the strict occult/esoteric side of things so perhaps you will pay it more credence. That said anon also has a valid point here >>1150

some people want to become the universe, some are already the universe. those that want to become make up all sorts of reasons to move in any direction. at the end of their trip, they meet and become those who never embarked on this trip, but stayed at home. obviously no one admits this while being on their trip, because they would stop moving and wouldn't arrive home. those at home sooner or later forget, and end up going on a trip.

have a great trip, people of /fringe/. i'll be baking. don't be long!

>>1223

>never travel anywhere

but aren't there reasons to do so sometimes? Better to face an "oppressive" environment of carving one's own path than one of inheriting that of another, I want to say.

how do we know what our path is without exploring? exploring within of course is a thing

>>1223

what if being on the journey *is* home for some?

>>1251

well, one reason for travel would be

>those at home sooner or later forget, and end up going on a trip.

my real point here is that the need to 'improve' and 'ascend' is not really a need; it is a choice. someone with his current view cannot accept his perceived situation and wants to move. this isn't a good or bad thing. when you don't like a place, you can either change location, or change yourself.

however, both of these are just change, and no teachings and ancient texts can tell what is good or bad for you, they can only say stuff like "this will turn yellow people to violet" - and if you're not yet violet, you can't really tell if that's good for you. changes like that are lottery.

/fringe/ seems to be very set on journeying, for them many things seem rotten, evil, ignorant or withering away; they either need to go very far from here, or change very much to be able to feel home. so much in fact that they seem to do both at once for a long time until arriving back home, and feeling home there. one thing i find particularly funny is the projection of insecurity into higher level beings, which are 'secured from falling back into ignorance'. i can't imagine an enlightened or ascended being fearing a little fall. i'd figure they'd be doing it for fun actually.

again, i don't have anything against people who want to change, i'm just saying that the goal is almost always to become like someone who doesn't want to change. staying home is the shortest way home. it is not better than a trip, but a trip also isn't better than staying home. something wizards with plans for multiple lives and superiority complexes need to be reminded of. i don't mean to assume, but if the shoe fits, wear it.

>>1253

good one.

one way of looking at it would be this: they are always home, as things constantly change, thus change itself is constant, serving as the home they never leave. basically, they stay at home by journeying.

another way of looking at it: journeying is their home so much, that even this one thing is subject to journey, of change. so it might change from "being on the journey is home" to "being a baker and skating in Madrid is home", after which they would eventually go home.

i'm having trouble deciding which one i like better.

>>1194

Thank you , this idea of "once you know enough you will not want to look back" is what gives me hope these days. I am afraid of dying and saying goodbye to everything I know, I don't want to move into whatever form I will move after I die, but statistically it seems death , even if it is not the end of everything, it brings to an end all your earthly experiences and knowledge.

I think about it all the time, how one day everything will explode in a burst of darkness (or whatever you think death feels like) and I will find myself forever separated from earth, from my body, from my friends, from all those experiences and from stuff like sunrise, sundown, bathing in a beautiful river with a blazing sun up in the sky, eating a delicious meal, laying down on the grass and listening to the birds chirp.

On the other hand, I go over this passage from the bible quite often: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things" and I hope that when the time comes for me to act like a man, I will be ready to stop being a child.

I'm trying to prepare for Death, I don't want it to find me unprepared to tackle whatever it is that awaits for me after my body dies ( if there is anything waiting after that at all)

I have downloaded the "Many Lives Many Masters" book and I will read it through the week. Thanks for the link friend!

Z

>>1292

have you ever experienced ego death?

if you do ayahuasca (or enough mushrooms maybe?) you can feel something like death.

I don't think death is such a bad thing. You've already experienced it before, bc reincarnation.

>On the other hand, I go over this passage from the bible quite often: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things" and I hope that when the time comes for me to act like a man, I will be ready to stop being a child.

All you have to do is let go of who you were to become who you truly are.

>>874

In my experience, initiates hastily gobble their green pills often for power, pleasure and knowledge. Those who get further along the path realize there are no shortcuts. Power (money) is attained with hard work, pleasure with self-realization and knowledge with study (and then turns out that knowledge was not as liberating as they hoped).

Magic teaches them it itself is an oxymoron, and ascension an illusion.

Those who don't become self-absorbed children (or weren't so to begin with), move on with their lives and use that newly-learnt knowledge to form new perspectives. The rest remain in a perpetual state of self-contemplation enabled by welfare and the money of loved ones, at worst, or a shitty job at best.

I have a strange, perhaps foolish love of this world, of humanity, and of life itself. I believe it is our job to protect the good things in the universe. Perhaps I am deluded, but I think it is inherently more valuable that those things exist than for them to not exist.

>>1675

(:

>>1674

>Power (money) is attained with hard work,

I hope not! or at least, I hope I love the work I do and that that makes it not as hard.

>>1690

>[spiritual growth is hard work]

>I hope not! or at least, I hope I love the work I do and that that makes it not as hard.

While it's not trivial, it's not really as hard as you may imagine, and it's even often fun. As such there is (divine) inspiration to reach out and achieve (oneness).

It's just what I have always done. About as innate to me as talking. Comes from starting early in life, I think.

Even so, I do question what the ultimate goal is. Unity with the divine is offensive to me; I can tell the difference between actual light and milky white venom. I have settled for transmutation of the self. Not for any particular ideal, just to see how far it goes until what you are can't be described as human anymore.

>>1718

>I can tell the difference between actual light and milky white venom

meaning what exactly?

>>1724

Meaning that I have come to believe that what most people call unity with the divine is just a poison they're allowing into themselves that will destroy them.

White light new agers, mainly, but also much more skilled people. I am certain there is a unity with all to seek, but I think it would be better called "finding your place in the universe", not "uniting with the divine".

>>1734

Well yeah the idea as I understand it is that one shouldn't do that until they have a full understanding of what they're getting into.

Some merely wish to dissolve into godhead, but others (Taoists for example, from what I understood reading Mantak Chia's Cultivating Male Sexual Energy)

are about evolving to a point where one is fine with that, knowing what it is.

I have spend more than a decade trying to intelectualize this question. Now I feel the answer is but one: LOVE.

It was a surprise finding out just one other anon reached the same answer as me. I guess the rest of you are looking to be pratyekabuddhas.

>>1756

I also have the same answer.

Love is my drug. (:

Though when I take on too much and get hurt, my motivation tends to be escapism/power/protection for myself and others instead, though an element of love in there when I have hope for it.

I feel that when I want it too much I don't want to grasp for it.

>>1758

>Though when I take on too much [love] and get hurt

It's not divine unconditional love then. There is quite a difference between the love of God and human "love."

>I feel that when I want it too much I don't want to grasp for it.

>want

>From Middle English wanten ‎(“to lack”), from Old Norse vanta ‎(“to lack”), from Proto-Germanic *wanatōną ‎(“to be wanting, lack”), from *wanô ‎(“lack, deficiency”), from Proto-Indo-European *h₁weh₂- ‎(“empty”). Cognate with Middle High German wan ‎(“not full, empty”), Middle Dutch wan ‎(“empty, poor”), Old English wana ‎(“want, lack, absence, deficiency”), Latin vanus ‎(“empty”).

You certainly do want (lack) for love. Love is not a thing you possess it's a thing you are, a state of being, a constant life style by choosing love over fear, unity over separation, God over illusion.

There is no way to peace; Peace is the Way. There is no way to happiness; Happiness is the Way. There is no way to love; Love is the Way. There is no way to enlightenment; Enlightenment is the Way. - Unknown

>>1765

I'd meant when I take on too many responsibilities/try doing too much for others and not enough for myself I get hurt.

and then I find it hard to believe in love, in a sense, or it felt like a lie because the human kind feels like I need it to an extent as well.

Even though that's not true, but I found it hard not to have limiting beliefs/thoughts, and I'd felt that trying to be the best person I can be is what got me hurt, so it made it hard to want to be that again and "die" again, or pull the better part of me out of the darkness that I and another helped plunge it into.

>>1690

>>1693

Grow up. I you want power (money) you have to work for it. There are no magical hocus pocus shortcuts. Get a job and stop sucking your family dry (or living on welfare).

>>1800

I first feel the need to address your view that all power is money, that is not true, though money is a manifestation of it.

>stop sucking your family dry (or living on welfare).

I do neither, I have a job and I don't live with any relatives.

Also

>There are no magical hocus pocus shortcuts.

Au contraire, but believe as you wilt. Perhaps when you change that you'll see.

>>1812

>>1812

>>magical hocus pocus shortcuts.

I could use me somma these.

Though I have a feeling I have done already, simply by attempting to follow a more divine/less attached path.

>>874

You've limited your experience to just this universe. This universe, in its infinity, is still only one infinity out of an infinite number of infinities. The final goal of all existence and the meaning of life, of course, is to transcend all existences, all infinities, all Gods and ideas and thoughts and merge all separate infinitely infinite powers with the original idea and transcend the cycle. The cycle is the test of the Creator and the Creation, what you call "God," is the Creator who creates Creations who then become Creators due to their nature of coming from that creation. A fractal, if you will. The ultimate goal is to transcend that fractal and all other fractals outside of it. To, quite literally, reach the end of all infinities. Only then will the path truly be complete. My infinitely infinite nature is still a limitation. Existence itself is a limitation. The Creator, the All, is limited by the fact that it exists. And all things that exist must be created. To transcend the cycle, you must transcend existence itself.

>>2197

I feel like I should clarify this, so as to not confuse:

If the Creator splits itself up to only have those pieces re-merge with it in some sort of limiting exercise, that is a closed system, yes? Now, say that the Creator splits itself up and grows from its "cells," miniature versions of itself, to go through the same trials and tribulations as it, and then eventually become equal, but separate, to it. Then, all of the Creators merge their power at once and transcend the cycle of Allness. They create a new path through the circle; they draw a line through the snake that eats its own tail. Suddenly, the cycle is cleaved in twain; a new door opens. To what, not the Creator truly knows. To me, that is God. Not a being, or a state, or even an objective. But the final end of all existences and realities. The end result. There is no more cycles nor transcendence; for both have been transcended. There is no logic, nor limitation, nor lack thereof. Words no longer describe it, nor do meanings. Through that gateway is yet another path, one that will appear when the final goal is met. And there is none who can perceive that path. No Creator nor God nor being. It is the true "God".

>>1718

There's a great fear there, isn't there?

But I'm convinced that after unifying with the All, you can come back.

I've heard it called crossing the abyss, or jumping over the mind. You have to let go of everything to get there - And yet, what your spirit desires your spirit shall get. If you want to come back, you can. You're not dissolving yourself, you're taking a leap of faith from your own mental sphere into your own spirit.

Indeed, why do you still pursue the path?

Are you the destination yet? If not, you'll have to change into the destination; many take a long path, a long ritual of changing into it. But why? The destination is already there, so one needs only to identify with the destination, and not identify with whatever else.

If you stick around and take the path anyway, you want the path itself. The destination is just a tool, a marking to outline that path you want. You don't want to get there, you just want to keep going in that direction.

It's boring here, and it swirls.

I've been working on enlightenment for a long time, and I keep discovering something new almost daily. It's tiresome and painful a lot of the time but there are always "checkpoints" left there as encouragment for those who really keep going.

As simple as that may sound to some, I just had a dream this last night in which I was in some public place, there was a crowd and in front of a cash machine I saw a girl wearing some kind of training outfit. I just admired her body and realized there was a glow to her skin and it seemed she was made of finer particles than anyone else on the street, like she was a completely different standard from normal humans.

As I woke up this thought was left in my mind

>you can have this kind of body

For me this is a reference to the golden buddha body mentioned in eastern practices. I understand why it was shown to me that way, I exercise a lot but I know deep down I will never be fully satisfied with the way my body looks because I don't really like the male body's appearance. I just find it unaestetic.

I know if I'd have an immortal body as some kind of enlightened being I'd want a female body, it's just a thing to me, but I want something I like if it's going to last forever.

>>4449

Indeed, I believe that's what Osho says Tantra is, relaxing into the end rather than working toward it like yoga.

so yoga is masculine and tantra is feminine.

>>4461

But does it matter what he, or anyone says? Everyone here seems to be on about choosing their own path, which also happens to be the right one of enlightenment and success and happiness unlike the many other ones which are fake and lead right back to ignorance.

But why would anyone who knows this path precisely need to learn anything? You already have to know all of it to be able to pinpoint this path, or differentiate between the various messages you get, or whatever. Basically, the only people who know precisely what path they need to take are the ones who have already taken it and sit in the destination with all that knowledge. Everyone else is just running after that one advertisement or message or idea they found the most appealing with their ignorant judgment.

If you want to be Baan, you don't want to learn - you want to be Baan already.

If, however, you do want to learn, you actually want to be a student. Neophytes remain neophytes.

>>4461

>implying that Tantra and yoga are separate entities

>yoga is masculine and tantra is feminine

Well, if Osho's westernized vision of Shaivism is your only encounter with Tantra I can't blame you really.

You don't really know much about Tantrik practice, do you?

I'd say that most Tantrik practices like yantras, mudras, mantras, nyasa etc. require you to use both masculine and feminine sides of yourself, not to mention that hatha yoga is a direct development of Kaula Natha sampradaya, Kaula being an eclectic school of Tantra using both Shakta and Shaiva elements.

Also, there are branches of yoga (like bhakti) which would be considered purely feminine in your world view (something similar was even stated by some bhakti guru) and there are branches of Tantra that you would consider very masculine (vira worship in Vamachara).

>>4472

You guys are full on about enlightenment and stuff, while I only ever wanted magics and siddhis. You humble a crooked black magician, really :^)

>>4476

No one has ever became John by trying hard to be noticed by John's cousin's college roommate's best childhood friend. It's no enlightenment, just bloody common sense. Use some black common sense, nigga : ^)

>>4479

Dunno what you saying fam :^)

What does John represent in your metaphor and what does John's cousin's college roommate's best childhood friend?

>>4480

>>4472

>>4481

>>4479

Sooo… how exactly is that relevant to the observation that for you guys "the path" is a path to enlightenment and for me it's "the path" to magic (especially lower)?

I didn't even argued against anything you wrote there, I agree. What are you on about?

>>4482

It could be a "first step" at getting closer to John or something. Another similar example would be a kid trying to become as cool as his dad, and trying to grow a beard or listen to the same music as a first step.

Also, I have no idea but this is mildly entertaining. Are you sure you don't want to fuck my shit up, though? Pretty please?

>>4483

>Are you sure you don't want to fuck my shit up, though?

And why would I want that sweetie? :^)

I meant black magic like in being a cunt stuck up in physical and using magic for lower ends.

>It could be a "first step" at getting closer to John or something.

It may well be. Although I would prefer to attain to complete Egohood/Godhood like a true LHP fag and not to y'a know… complete Unity with the All and stuff.

Y'a know fam, becomealivingmeme.com :^)

Atm I just focus on playing with magic and stuff. I did think about moksha or whatever and even have some plans prepared in case I ever feel ready, but how can one prepare for such a thing? If I feel ready I'll learn bhakti yoga on an expert level and use it to a sadhana to Daksine Kalike and She will guide me from there.

>Also, I have no idea but this is mildly entertaining

Same here!

"Getting closer to John" is now my favorite euphemism for doing spiritual stuff!

>>4476

Teach me magics and siddhis.

>>4494

Fukken saved.

Invoke Darth Traya and let her teach you the best of the Sith and Jedi ways :^)

Some of us have our reasons

>>4484

>"Getting closer to John" is now my favorite euphemism for doing spiritual stuff!

I'm gonna get closer to John tonight!

>>874

Why?

Because it's what we may need to survive.

Consciousnesses has to spread and grow stronger.

>>4542

Woooow! Good luck!

How close? Holding hands? Doing lewd stuff or maybe kissing?

>>4552

>holding hands not being the epitome of lewd

Step up

>>4557

Holding hands with John = becoming an Ascended Master?

>>4558

How do you think Hermes Trismegistus got so powerful?

He held hands with two Johns at the same time.

I want to know what is possible for man. I know there is more than just ordinary existence, and I want to know what that is, and how far that goes.

You seem afflicted by psychosis.

Remember that despite of all the consequences, you have no obligation to do anything (free will).

Regardless of that, if it happens your goal is to seek true bliss, joy & happiness, the path of the initiate, or what you would called the harmonic way, is the only choice to attain such goal.

As immortals beings, we better make the infinite ride comfortable right?

Get well nigga.

>not following the actual path of service to self and ultimatelly creating your own universe

>being this source's cuck

I won't be harvested nor uniting with no shucklefuck who allowed this mess, I follow my own path and my own path alone.

#AscendedGoingTheirOwnWay

…I'll Probaly just end like another mundane, with my soul unconsciously rotting after death or eaten away by some disgusting spirit parasite, but…A man can dream, still…

>>10362

>implying your spirit is not gonna sever all ties with you soul/body once you're too far off

You're gonna reunite wether you like it or not. That's how it work.

>>10326

Man can achieve great things, all sorts of things. However, he is limited in which things, and how many things. The key attributes man has to achieve this is complexity, malleability, and friendship.

A great complexity that is barely understood by ourselves, opening up innumerable possibilities. No wonder you never meet two people who are exactly the same.

Malleability, which allows man to be sculpted and gutted from innumerable possibilities into just a few. A shoe can't really have dining rooms or computers inside, and you can't make a table from wood you burn to ashes first. As a man progresses in life, he'll turn from numerous possibilities into a single reality. A smith perhaps, or a soldier? A drunk? Much possibility needs to be sacrificed to make a man the best at what he is. You may be the best swimmer alive, but it defines most of you, leaving less space for other purposes and sides.

Friendship, because a single human can rarely do as much as many. I doubt anyone could build his own house, make his own food, manufacture his own computer, create his own medicine, pick the right colors for christmas decorations then make them by hand, be a comedist and an audience at once… Society came to be when sharing work and specializing in things achieved more than individuals or small groups could.

You can be many things, but you'll need the right world behind you. No shepherd without sheep.

>>10365

We're going to trap you unity shits in this stupid game forever. Enjoy endless reincarnation, shitstain. Fuck knows why you retards exist in the first place. You ruin everything.

>>10368

>no Shepard without sheep

Without the Shepard the sheep perish, without the sheep the Shepard finds a new way of life.

Really makes you think.

>>10380

Not until the next Kali Yuga ;^)

>>10383

there never was a shepard to find a new life without the sheep.

>>10386

Kali yuga is best yuga.

>>10395

I agree, I do like a good challenge.

>>10406

No, you don't understand how life looked like in the previous yugas, it's not about challenge or whatever.

In Kali yuga you can acquire spiritual progress and siddhis all in one day (in possibility at least), in previous eras you needed hundreds of thousands of years of hard penance to get anywhere with it. Sure you didn't need to eat and you lived for eons but still, I prefer it the way it is now. Also, in Kali yuga Kālī and Krishna (amongst some others) are more active and we've got Tantra which is the Shastra for this current yuga.

>>10407

Since when we didn't need to eat & lived eons back then?

"It is written in this legend so it must be true"?

>>10415

Well, it's not me who started using the term "Kali yuga" first in this thread. I just assumed that if you use a given term you know it's connotations, or at least you are curious to know them.

Or is it that people use foreign terms they don't know shit about just because it sounds cool?

>>10416

Kali yuga is the last 5000 years, we are in this period right now, and I'm pretty sure people used to eat in earlier times as well. If you have a different definition do tell, this is how a hare krishna monk described it when I discussed it with him.

>>10418

Then do some research based on the source texts that speak of it. The same mouth that proclaims Kali yuga says also about the characteristics of previous eras.

Or you could even do some normie research

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

and also come up with the same characteristics of yugas that I have spoken of.

>>10418

Hare Krishnas are not reputable fucking sources. The fuck were you thinking? You'd get better info out of a tree. Go ask a tree some questions, sit down, listen until you have answers.

>>10407

We can advance really fast because we have a lot of opposition, hence the "I like a good challenge".

Infinite pleasure and godlike power sounds like a pretty cool guy.

I haven't achieved it yet, but I'm making serious progress…

and once I do, there are ssssoooooooooo many things I'm gonna want to do. I will entertain myself for a long-ass time.

I will still help others, but I can't imagine that being alone and being able to play with myself infinitely would make me BORED, of all things.

>>1674

>knowledge is not liberating

What? What's the point, then?

You're saying that magick doesn't exist, that mind doesn't affect matter, that intelligent infinity is a lie?

I want to form my own astral realms, use telekinesis and teleportation to manipulate the world around me, become a being of light and be able to walk the universe with unfettered tread.

You're telling me this isn't possible?

>magick is oxymoron

Isn't existence itself an oxymoron?

>why

because it matters