/fringe/ - Fringe

I feel like most esoteric books are lost time, like most of them are focused on flawed belief system and theory/philosophy that is either too obvious when you are a little wise or just not concrete enough to have applicable fonctions.

In my opinion it's not a good idea to put to much trust of these writings because It seems the large majority are just interpretation of something much greater than us (in addition to the fact most people say bullshit 24/24 in accordance with the flaw of their misconceptions and emotions)so I think that the only truly valuable data are the data you gather yourself.

I mean "magic" and any psychic work is about will, awareness and imagination.

Can you work these three without external aid? Yes.

So why you bother reading all these books while in the end working, feeling and observing is most of the work?

I'm not against sharing your experiences thought.

texts provide a starting point and guidelines for self-exploration, obviously the only truth is that which you experience, not that which you read, but reading can provide a starting point for the journey.

>>7870

I agree. It is not true for everyone though, as some are already advanced enough on their own through education and self work (for example that would be useless to tell a monk that is working to be one since birth in a temple to read a book on meditation).

That's like saying a toddler should be able to create a system of logic without understanding basic mathematics concepts. You need information to have knowledge and need knowledge to reach understanding.

Sure once you reach a certain point you can just absorb all of the knowledge by osmosis but can you do that right now? no

>>7877

>assuming the toddler won't grow up and be able to understand basic mathematics concept by himself

Time and self perseverance can achieve wonders. I think you are mistaken to be this pessimistic about oneself power.

>>7883

You're retarded smh sorry fam

>>7883

Not all humans have the intelligence or patience to reflect over one's own mind in order to achieve any spiritual gain without first having a basic understanding from things you can read in books.

Sadly, with your logic you claim that you are able to figure out Pythagoras theorem of square roots, Euclids geometrical shapes and a good estimation of pi devising methods only you yourself created and perceived. You sit down and start doing this, you see how hard it is.

Are you a programmer? Have you written a terminal or os for fun with lint checkers? Have you solved https://projecteuler.net/ 's first problem by writing your own scripting language first?

Here's some toilet philosophy I discovered/invented before I knew the name for it:

● The idea that you are alone the only sentient being in the world and everyone else are non player characters: Solipsism.

● The idea that politics are governed by people who are smart, educated and qualified for their fields of topic: Aristocracy.

● The idea that there is a supreme being that can't be defined by bibles or rules like humans try to make it be: Deism.

● The idea that people are self governed and help each other regardless of social status and equality: Commu-anarchism.

● A program that detects score on a target calculating distance from center using only Pythagoras theorem on a X, Y grid.

● The idea that foreigners can come to a country and act hostile towards the natives while being citizens of said country: Reverse racism.

● The idea that beings we perceive in the astral are filtered by our own cultural upbringing: Spiritual cultural bias.

● The idea that morality was invented by man and does not exist in the Universe: Amorality.

● The idea that water that can carry current can be split into hydrogen and oxygen, burnt in an engine and power a car, while being 99% environmentally safe for the planet and be practically free to fuel: HHO engine.

● The idea of using more than 0s and 1s in computing: Trinary, etc.

To create something no one has created or even thought of, takes true perception. To sit and complain about it online claiming that anyone have the ability to do so when you can clearly see that the world doesn't work that way, is arrogant.

Also welcome to the website.

>>7888

There are so much points to correct in your post that I am already bored.

You are comparing mathematics and occultism.

You are mixing willingness and potentiality.

You are assuming the tone of my post was complaining for no apparent reason.

You think I'm arrogant and justify it with a fallacy.

You are listing your unrelated "achievements" for no actual good reason too.

Also

>>7887

Is this really fringechan? I'm new here but sadly I don't know if I'm the right kind of person for this chan.

>>7862

I pretty much agree with you, nevertheless I like books and reading and I think that I got out at least some value out of it. Reading can't of course substitute practice.

I think it's like… lets say breathing. Lets assume there is someone who has never breathed in his life (idiotic example, I know). He may read all scientific knowledge there is about breath, how it works, why it works etc. but without him actually experiencing it, he doesn't really know it. I think it's the same with scriptures and magic - theoretical understanding is not enough, there must be an actual experience. Nevertheless I don't downplay reading and studying occult systems, first of all - it gives you another perspective apart from your individual one, it can give you many new ideas and it can be a point of reference for your practice, amongst other things.

>>7883

Actually most of the things that I read in the entry level books I had already figured out on my own. But indeed it requires time and self perseverance. It would be wiser, in my opinion, not to build from scratch but rather to stand on the backs of those who have trodden this path before. You still have to check if these things work though and sort out possible disinfo, but reasoning out everything yourself you also have a possibility to be mistaken, so everything must be proved with direct experience, in the case of the books/scriptures etc. you just don't need to do everything yourself. It is a shortcut if you wish to call it that.

>>7908

Nice answer. I agree with your view.

The shortcut can solely be at the beginning thought (I think) because past a certain point, things become too contextual as when you get more advanced, the number of factors you deal with increase and so it become more personal as there may be more than one way to achieve the proper result.

Also sorry for the grammar mistakes and any broken english, I write fast and English isn't my main language.

>>7909

I also like learning various systems and taking from them the things that resonate with me the best and mixing them with other systems and my personal "findings". For the past few years I've been totally obsessed by LHP Tantra and although I'm not using exclusively techniques found there, I'm slowly drifting more towards Eastern occultism with Western influences rather than the opposite.

>it become more personal as there may be more than one way to achieve the proper result

I believe that magic and spirituality are such individual matters that in the end everyone ends up with more or less personalized system of their own making.

I become interested in Tantra because of the prevalence of Eastern developments in modern occult community. Stuff like chakras, Kundalini, prana, yoga etc. I thought that it's better to learn straight from the source than to trust that people who speak about these things got it right. That's not to say that any other view apart from the original one is wrong of course.

But yeah, at some point you got more theoretical knowledge than direct understanding, so you need to work on the latter more. Although I still read a lot of books and study a lot, just because I'm very curious and getting to know various systems is fun to me, irrelevant whether it helps me do magic or not.

>Also sorry for the grammar mistakes and any broken english, I write fast and English isn't my main language.

Don't worry, I'm in the same situation as well.

Anyway, just out of curiosity - why did you pick the Star flag?

I've been always fascinated by stars, cosmos etc. Also in connection to magic - astrology and generally "star" oriented systems, I mean like harnessing the currents of cosmic forces and stuff like that. Although most of the systems that use such forces are highly ritualistic and ceremonial and it really doesn't suit me, I prefer to do magic internally rather than externally.

>>7895

>You are assuming the tone of my post was complaining for no apparent reason.

It is because you wrote:

> So why you bother reading all these books while in the end working, feeling and observing is most of the work?

In imageboard culture, that is complaining. It can be broken down into one sentence:

> Why bother?

which is the short version the cool kids use.

> You are comparing mathematics and occultism.

If you don't understand what you just wrote yourself, I won't waste time on it either.

>You think I'm arrogant and justify it with a fallacy.

Quoting your OP:

> I mean "magic" and any psychic work is about will, awareness and imagination.

> Can you work these three without external aid? Yes.

Arrogance also exists in places where we believe it doesn't exist. Especially in ego.

The final kicker:

> There are so much points to correct in your post that I am already bored.

The concept of being bored is an illusion and exists only in your ego. It's easy to be blind and say that you can see while tripping over level one tier traps of spirituality.

>> You're retarded smh sorry fam

> Is this really fringechan? I'm new here but sadly I don't know if I'm the right kind of person for this chan.

That's why it's recommended to lurk before posting so you can learn what kind of attitude an imageboard has. Anonymous keyboard immunity leads to almost complete anarchistic discussion that breaks social taboos and norms. Perhaps it's time to climb down from the high horse and realize that you still have steps to go?

>>7911

>But yeah, at some point you got more theoretical knowledge than direct understanding

Exactly my issue with studying at university. It's expected to amass theoretical knowledge without fully understanding it. Due to the tight schedule, you don't even have time to reflect upon the learned things.

>>7911

Once again I like your answer and I agree with your sense of logic (in contrary to our anon Mossa in this thread <_<'). Also I feel some real friendly vibes from you anon, you seem a nice person to be friend with.

To conclude what you said, I think that literature is more a source of inspiration than a source of education.

The potentiallyl useful data you gather are additional arguments to reflect your mind against and so this way you advance yourself to the Truth, but instead of increasing the number of arguments throught data gathering, I think the most noble and important work is to sharpen your mind tools, like for example the quality of your intropesction and observation, because there is nothing more than valuable than being your own light/your own star that guides you through the darkness…

I picked the star flag because I was looking for a neutral yet positive flag.

A star is also a bit like the Truth, it seems unreachable in its highness but you know it's there, most of the time you don't see it but when you do it reminds you it won't go away and thus it will stay beautifully guiding you in this obscure world. Stars are nice indeed.

>Although most of the systems that use such forces are highly ritualistic and ceremonial and it really doesn't suit me, I prefer to do magic internally rather than externally.

Cannot agree more with this. I reject materialism in spirituality and magic but will tolerate it if there is no other way or is the simplest way and that isn't too much of a hassle to put together.

Magic and spiritually find its source in the immaterial and non physical so I think it's natural to work in a way that reflects this reality.

>>7923

>Also I feel some real friendly vibes from you anon, you seem a nice person to be friend with.

Oh stop it, you :^)

I gave my Skype name in the IRC thread so hit me up sometime if you want. Also we could chat on IRC channel, but I rarely go there as of late as I'm pretty busy.

>because there is nothing more than valuable than being your own light/your own star that guides you through the darkness

Agreed.

>I reject materialism in spirituality and magic but will tolerate it if there is no other way or is the simplest way and that isn't too much of a hassle to put together.

Pretty much the only external tool I've ever used is Tarot… oh and a piece of cloth to cover my eyes if I meditate lying on my back, if that counts.

>>7927

Can you link me to the IRC thread and your post number (to be sure it's your I.D) please? I didn't find it.

>>7935

>>4633

>>7923

As if agreeing with someone online means something.

As if pointing out that you're not agreeing with someone else online means something.

Please lurk.

>>7941

Did I irritate your ego?

You take things way too personally. Is fringechan your special place or something? Are you a mod? It would explain your seemingly useless tripfagging.

>>7862

>either too obvious when you are a little wise

Well, that's the thing. How do you become 'a little wise' except by reading? Reading is essential for getting started, unless you have an extraordinary instinctual grasp of the principles.

>>7914

>In imageboard culture, that is complaining

That's not how I took it. I think he was genuinely just putting an argument forward. The line immediately following, 'I'm not against sharing your experiences thought.' shows a willingness to hear different points of view.

>>You are comparing mathematics and occultism.

I disagree with OP's belief that reading occult theory is a waste of time, but there clearly is a difference between mathematics and occultism in this respect. Your own 'toilet philosophy' shows how much easier it is to work out certain ideas on your own - it's much easier and more common to independently arrive at solipsism than at Euclidian geometry. Some ideas are more intuitive than others, and occult ideas are more intuitive than mathematical ones.

>That's why it's recommended to lurk before posting so you can learn what kind of attitude an imageboard has.

Posts like 'You're retarded smh sorry fam' are definitely objectionable. You can't stop people from making them but we shouldn't accept them as representative of the 'kind of attitude /fringe/ has', unless we want the level of discourse to be dragged down.

>>7943

Mossa is indeed a moderator.

I used to know him from about a year ago, from the IRC, and he didn't seem to be all that spiritually advanced but has read a good amount. Although that could have changed.

This chan has far to much name and trip fagging.

Its a dangerous form of cancer which promotes circle jerking.

>>7946

>>7946

>>7951

Time to change! mod

>>7944

>OP's belief that reading occult theory is a waste of time

I'm just against this being your main spiritual activity. Occult theory is really lacking a solid base that is accepted and demonstrated as truth. An exemple of base is for instance the concept of soul, the fact that you are an immaterial being bound to the cosmic energy.

>How do you become 'a little wise' except by reading?

Did you read "how not to be a normie" or "how not be a mundane" to become what you are right now?

Great thinking is the key. You have the power to think. If you work enough on it, you open paths. The greater you think, the greater will be your paths. Of course we aren't all born with the same thinking power but you can work on it and advance.

Of course it has a limit because after the "thinking", you need the "doing" to get concret results.

Also thanks for understanding my original post and explicating it for those who have interpretation issues (mossa :^)).

>>7943

mossa at fringechan.org

>>7946

I've been wondering who you are from your post history.

>>7953

Feel free to apply for volunteership.

>You have the power to think. If you work enough on it, you open paths. The greater you think, the greater will be your paths.

And the greater will be the size of the cube. Nice playing chap.

>>7939

Sent you a request.

>>7957

>And the greater will be the size of the cube.

Care to explain please? Are you making a volumetric metaphor to oneself spiritual greatness?

>Feel free to apply for volunteership.

Do you actually need more mods?

>>7953

>Did you read "how not to be a normie" or "how not be a mundane" to become what you are right now?

If I hadn't had access to certain books I would still be a frustrated mundane, although I would be different from most in that I would have the desire to change. Maybe I would have found the path for myself eventually, but it would have taken much much longer. Why waste time discovering these things for yourself when the initiates of the past have done it for you? Of course, after a certain point it becomes impossible to express these things in words, and you have to experience it for yourself.

>>7862

I do not think that either books or I am big enough to house truth. I don't think that anyone, any group, or all of us are big enough to house truth. I don't think that all books are big enough to house truth. I don't think that books and we together are big enough to house truth. Truth, however, is big enough to house all of us.

That is, of course, if things like small < big are true.

I ate three truths with a glass of truth this morning. What did Truth eat?

I like to challenge Truth by reading the Truth in books.

>>7960

Already accepted and replied. Do you see my messages?

>>7962

You don't need books to understand anything because you know everything already. If you've seen the cube you'll know what it means.

We need more mods, but preferably those who have been here longer than a week.

>>7978

>You don't need books to understand anything because you know everything already

Still implying I'm arrogant enough to claim that, you sure are butthurt about me lol.

>If you've seen the cube you'll know what it means.

Are you talking of this black cube of saturn thing?

Can't you explain instead of being edgy?

>We need more mods, but preferably those who have been here longer than a week.

I lurk since more than one week, I don't have only one IP.

>>7978

>We need more mods

For what purpose? It's not like our userbase is large enough to attract the attention of spammers or persistent shitposters.

>>7980

>For what purpose?

Maybe to ensure the chan remains nice even when some mods are busy.

or maybe he just wants subordinates to feed his ego :^)

>>7980

We've actually had a series of spam. It's happened at least 3 times.

>>7957

>I've been wondering who you are from your post history.

Above is an example why no amount of paranoia will keep you safe.

Is it to much to ask not to get tracked on such a website such as this? I guess I must start using a vpn to protect myself from people who claim to want to help others.

>>8085

He's been drinking a mixture of mercury and other hazardous chemicals, so he's a bit more stupid now. >>4836

I'd like to find out who he is. I suspect he's decent /cow/ material. A nice little sideshow of self-destruction since he's not particularly reactive. That may change as he descends further.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/mercury_poisoning/page3_em.htm

Elemental and Vaporized Mercury Poisoning Symptoms:

mood swings, nervousness, irritability, and other emotional changes,

insomnia,

headache,

abnormal sensations,

muscle twitching,

tremors,

weakness,

muscle atrophy, and

decreased cognitive functions.

Organic Mercury Poisoning Symptoms:

peripheral vision impairment,

stinging or needle-like sensations in the extremities and mouth,

loss of coordination,

muscle weakness, and

other impairments of speech and hearing.

Inorganic Mercury Poisoning Symptoms:

Inorganic mercury toxicity often causes skin rashes and inflammation (dermatitis). If ingested, it can dissolve tissues and some may be absorbed by the intestinal tissue. Large amounts of ingested inorganic mercury may cause bloody diarrhea. Absorbed mercury can spread to other organ systems resulting in mental changes including mood swings and memory loss or renal damage. Muscle weakness may also occur.

>>7870

/thread

Turn within, all truth is there; words are mere guideposts upon the path. The map is not the terrain.

>>8085

If you want to be safe, use a generic fingerprint in your browser through a virtual machine with poorly installed Windows 7, through a VPN you don't own. Tracking is the new black. I stopped caring about tracking when I saw how much info javascript lets through. And if you disable javascript, you make your fingerprint unique regardless so it boils down to:

pick your poison.

>>8086

The best part was when you didn't even read what I wrote and now you believe I have ingested mercury orally. All this time you spend talking about me and trying to point finger, meanwhile you expose more of yourself for us to see. When you use your hand to point your finger, there's three fingers pointing back.

If you spent half as much time finding flaws in my poisoned personality as you could spend in meditation or reading esoteric books, you would be doubly more giving in conversations we could have here.

>>8103

>If you want to be safe, use a generic fingerprint in your browser through a virtual machine with poorly installed Windows 7, through a VPN you don't own. Tracking is the new black. I stopped caring about tracking when I saw how much info javascript lets through. And if you disable javascript, you make your fingerprint unique regardless so it boils down to: pick your poison.

Its the fact that all of my posts are being looked at and I am being watched by people on this site. I don't care about the NSA or other 3 letter organizations, its practically impossible to stop them, but being watched on this site where its supposed to be a place of 'anonymous' occult help removes any sort of faith I hold in your and possibly the rest of the staff's abilities.

Do you enjoy feeling powerful over other users? Using a tripcode and openly saying 'I've been wondering who you are from your post history.'

when the literal description of this place is: Fringechan is an anonymous imageboard where the main focus of discussion revolves around subjects such as metaphysics, occultism, spirituality, esotericism and everything in between.

The owners might as well have made just another one of those occult forums that you can find all over the internet. What was supposed to be the key factor of this place, anonymity, is removed by trip/name fags and people judging you for every post. Even calling you out on it.

>>8104

I have to agree. Mossa, please don't make reference to our post histories and please consider posting as a regular Anon unless there is a pressing reason to use your tripcode. Tripping is necessary in this thread >>7426 but not in others.

>>8104

The tripcode will come off eventually. The reason I keep track of post history is to make sure we don't have shills on the website shilling, much like 8ch and the old fringe.

You could try ghostery for firefox and see all websites that track you.

What amazes me the most about post history, is that personas of people I've shared a chat with act differently from the way they speak compared to the way they write. Something Smiley could teach you if you read his posts and watch his videos.

Could you message me on IRC? I'd like to share something with you.

>>8106

"Who am I?"

>>8107

>The reason I keep track of post history is to make sure we don't have shills on the website shilling, much like 8ch and the old fringe.

Of course you need to look at post histories, but it's an abuse of power to bring them up in conversation. It makes people feel violated.

>>8107

>Who am I?"

I don't understand.

>>8110

Being moderator has taught me a lot about the chaos vs control struggle that this world seems to have a problem with. It's really beautiful and powerful. But the feminists can't stand it and wants control, control of information, control of content, control of opinion. I will always defend your right to freedom of speech regardless of the state of the Internet.

Prior to the new Internet laws being enacted, I am making sure this website has TOR access if such thing would ever try to take us down. I also recommend that users grab the IP of the website in case things do get bad.

When I'm done coming to terms with what I want to do, I'll blend into the group again. The tripcode has not really helped anyone.

>>8113

>"I will always defend your right to freedom of speech regardless of the state of the Internet"

>SAGE SAGE SAGE everyone that disagrees with me

>>8114

SAGE is used in it's correct method this time around, which is to prevent the thread from bumping. We are not contributing to the topic in any way so there's no need to bump it.

SAGE hasn't always been a method of trying to downvote people like Reddit does.

>>8107

>>8113

>tripcode will come off eventually

I doubt that. You seem to enjoy your large presence here way to much for that. The reason anyone wants to tripfag is to expand their ego. Seeing THEIR posts referenced by others, both negative and positive light, and javing people call back to their posts if it was ever useful. The point of being anonymous is so that everyone was equal, nobody was the special snowflake. I remember one user who would make large replies to everyone in the beginning question threads, helping users, and did not feel the need to have stupid name and tripcode plastered on the top.

On other websites you can be whoever the fuck you want, here though, I suggest you leave your ego and trip outside before venturing in.

>>8116

On the contrary, the tripcode forces me to write properly as everything I say is seen by everyone. There's plenty of people that uses anonymity to give themselves an excuse to let ego burst out in discussions, visible in this very thread.

Your browser saves a cookie these days that makes every post referenced by yourself seen by yourself as:

­>>8107 (You)

­>>8113 (You)

which pretty much counters that argument.

What I find a teaching matter about the tripcode is the amount of imagination people can conjure about me just because they can point at my posts and yell. Ad hominem was dealt swiftly every week.

But you have valid point. Don't come running and screaming later when you can't see the tripcode.

Maybe the flags are redundant too.

>>8117

Can't even just remove your trip normally can you? All you have to do is leave the box described as 'Name' empty.

You always need to provide a counterargument, no matter how futile, to keep yourself feeling ontop. For someone who wants to 'help' people, tou are a terrible example of what a beginner should look to. The damage has been done, and there is nothing you can do that will gain my, and possibly other users, respect for you again. I hope you enjoy whatever power fantasies your moderator position fills, because you definitely do not deserve it.

>>8120

u mad?

>>8113

>I will always defend your right to freedom of speech regardless of the state of the Internet.

I appreciate that.

>>8117

Honestly Mossa I don't personnaly know you and you don't seem to be a bad person as you claim to be pro freedom of speech but it seems the general message of this chan users is that you should step down a little bit before giving your lessons.

>Arrogance also exists in places where we believe it doesn't exist. Especially in ego.

>It's easy to be blind and say that you can see while tripping over level one tier traps of spirituality.

Your saying.

You were the first talking about ego in this thread and playing the wise man but yet you don't seem to live up to your own words.

Advice for the future: tripfag when it is necessary (like for example this chan meta state). Be more humble too.

>>8143

Fallacy:

>I don't know you.

>you should step down.

Laugh while you can. Soon you'll be all serious and grownup like. Chaos may suck, but illusion that you have control over chaos sucks harder.

>>8161

Seems more like there is an illusion of chaos, not the other way around.

Cause -> Effect

Chaos is only a matter of perspective, as it truly does not exist in reality.

>>8161

Hiding behind your bullshit won't change anything. You talk about control like I was giving orders in my message.

Read again I said "SHOULD" and "ADVISE".

In the end I don't fucking care of your business, and anyway I can't order you how to act, it's your doing.

Now I'm laughing at your ridiculous post because I can, as I'm the grownup here.

>>8162

This negga knows what's up.

>>7953

Does anyone know what deck this tarot card is from? Or if its even a real tarot deck?

>>8184

Yes, The Salvador Dali deck.

http://www.tarot.com/tarot/cards/death/dali

Amazon if you want to purchase it:

https://www.amazon.com/Dal%C3%AD-Tarot-Universal-Johannes-Fiebig/dp/3836543877

I only just reversed google searched it, pretty simple. Even though finding it was easy, I can understand the desire to be spoonfed.

>>8185

It is truly to be spoiled in this day and age where information is but a mere click away. How will future generations ever comprehend such cleverness as tech illiteracy will grow exponentially?

Tune in, 25 years from now to find out.