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Esoteric Wizardry

Seeker 2016-09-18 11:10:19 No.7780 >>7786 >>8010 >>9904

Why are occultists so bad at spreading their message? It seems that many people are uninterested in converting mundanes, and that many of those who are interested are too wedded to edginess, obscurity, ideological purity or elitism to make their ideas appealing. When I see how many mundanes are suffering because of their lack of guidance, and how many are searching for that guidance, I despair at how inaccessible esotericism makes itself.

The growth of Buddhism in the West shows how popular occult ideas could become if introduced to mundanes in a way that does not offend their materialistic sensibilities. Once introduced, further study leads them to a serious consideration of ideas which they would previously have dismissed out of hand. If a culturally foreign, highly challenging religion like Buddhism can do it, so can we.

Pic slightly related.

Mossa !giiMcpCzGI 2016-09-18 14:20:04 No.7785

The same reason you can understand that I do not actively go outside to recruit people for the astral projection session, outside the website and chat; you understand that mundanes have to lift themselves up first from the first illusion of the world, namely: the material, atheistic illusion of sex, money and status quo.

In a couple of years you will begin to want to teach to other people what you know to bring the world up into light and knowledge, but you will learn like many others that there are both dangers and energy loss accompanied with the work of teaching others.

Occultists of the past has always passed their teaching and tradition from teacher to student and some groups also require you to be directly related to one of the members in order to join. If you want to join, you may also have to be recommended by the members as well.

After a human has realized that the world is fake and everything is an illusion, then may it learn the truth and seek the path of the few. Because you can't live in the illusion and work with the illusion at the same time.

That is why many hippies fails to properly address the issues of the world when they focus on love and manifestations, but ignore the issues of corrupt governments, corporations and politicians. Mostly because they are ignorant, and secondly because they don't care.

We are the future. We should act like it.

Seeker 2016-09-18 14:34:56 No.7786

>>7780

I believe that if someone is ready they will find the suitable teachings and if they are not then the teachings wouldn't help them anyway.

I believe in maintaining the secrecy of occult workings, with accordance to the law of secrecy present in many systems. Why would anyone want to share their power with people too stupid to realize things themselves?

Anyway, this law is already broken as you can find esoteric teachings with little or no effort on the Internet. Ignorance is a choice and people are still choosing it. Let them be deluded I say.

Also, if more people knew about it then it would be harder to use magic for personal benefit I think, as others could interfere, but I'm not sure about it. In any case manipulating mundane mind is so much easier than someones who has at least some experience with the occult.

Seeker 2016-09-18 22:34:34 No.7793

Buddhism can have any flavour actually. It has nice words for people and harsh reality. It teaches to you that you are living in a some what prison and shows you how to escape. Tells you that by helping and being good you can (by external means) diminuish your suffer and may even be reborn in heaven realms.

It tells you that drugs, sex, killing, etc., can be a really bad think (because it actually makes you reborn if for nothing else) but tells you to look at it and analise the matter for your self.

What Mossa told is very true. Mundanes dont want to hear about this. Maybe if you show them a fireball they would be interested. Thats actually the reason buddha forbidden the monks to show off the "miracles", because people would go there for power and not freedom and self grow. Actually the buddha himself was almost killed by one of his ex monks that tried to kill him after being unable to attain enlightenment and then focus on the sidhis instead.

What is really painful to me is seeing people being ignorant by they free will and the fact we could actually be living in eden and not some hellish realm here.

Even the people in power have a hard time understanding their mistakes. I dont think we needed this. I dont really know what those guys expect by the massive suffering they cause. I guess its more of a challenge for the people on the fringe side. For me, personally, am feed up with this mess. I still care but I dont want to even care anymore, its useless getting even more caugth up trying to teach pigs to appreciate the pearls.

I actually feel sorry for some of the kids borning. We are having a mass division. We are getting "here" alot of good quality beings but also alot of sub humans. Guess who would pervail in this jungle?

This was never an easy path, but now? What are we supost to do? For real we can mitigate the suffer of some open minded people but thats it. Even escaping the society is no easy job.

I dont know about those self sustainable farms/societies, but that maybe the closest thing.

Seeker 2016-09-19 06:49:05 No.7807 >>8056 >>7851

The last time occultists tried to spread their message to the masses the jews killed their leader and turned him into the martyr of a false religion designed to corrupt the world to jewish will.

NEVER AGAIN

Seeker 2016-09-20 21:40:08 No.7851 >>7934 >>7907

>>7807

What are you referring to?

Seeker 2016-09-22 12:12:04 No.7907 >>7934 >>7919

>>7851

presumably Jesus Christ

Seeker 2016-09-22 15:30:55 No.7912 >>7913

Mundanes tend to shit these sorts of practices up when they join.

Look at Witchcraft and "Wicca".

It's a popular thing that regularly attracts teens but when they use it it's always for material gain.

They do not practice for mysticism nor for accomplishing the Great Work but for material gain.

Any occult movement that becomes too popular will inevitably be perverted for the sake of wealth, power, and fame.

Seeker 2016-09-22 15:38:25 No.7913 >>7924

>>7912

>They do not practice for mysticism nor for accomplishing the Great Work but for material gain.

Why do you think it is a problem?

I think that the problem lies not in how the magic is used (to what end) but rather that these people pervert the teachings and fill the world with disinfo, "Tantric sex" meme for example.

>It's a popular thing that regularly attracts teens but when they use it it's always for material gain.

Do you really think that such people are capable of manifesting even the smallest desire of theirs?

>Any occult movement that becomes too popular will inevitably be perverted for the sake of wealth, power, and fame.

Most (if not all) occult movements contain techniques for precisely that - wealth, power etc. so it's not really a perversion of teachings - the real perversion is turning a powerful system into the one devoid of substance, being only a roleplay for the "practitioners". In my opinion at least.

Seeker 2016-09-22 18:19:56 No.7919

>>7907

or crowley

Seeker 2016-09-22 22:15:33 No.7924 >>7925

>>7913

Tantric sex is a meme?

I'm not well-versed on the subject, but I've been reading a bit on tantra yesterday and it seems like sex is a major part of it or something

Seeker 2016-09-22 23:16:18 No.7925 >>9419 >>12044

>>7924

It isn't a major part. At least if we are talking about the original Tantra and not New Agey "Neo Tantra" (which doesn't share anything, apart from usurping the name, with the real deal). You know - "tantric sex workshops", "tantric massage" etc.

Tantras are basically texts - a specific group of texts at that - religious, esoteric scriptures. Tantra's focus is in acquiring both liberation and enjoyment (this also includes various magical powers). The practitioner does this by means of Goddess worship, mantras, meditation, meditation on chakras, Kundalini, doing pranayama and yoga, working with the elements, invocation, evocation etc. In short - it's a very complex system of magic, elements of which are frequently used by Western occultists, sadly, without understanding what it all really means. I don't know why people are so obsessed with this idea of "spiritual sex" that somehow all the other, more prevalent, parts of this system pass on unnoticed by them. Maybe it is deliberate - after all, what sells better than sex?

It is true, that some Tantrik sects used sex, nevertheless it is particular only to one class of practitioners (viras - heroes) in one subdivision of the system (Vamachara - Tantra of the Left Hand Path). That is not to say that Vamachara consists solely of sexual rites, far from it.

Real Tantric sex is really just a sexualized ritual and not a ritualized sex. Also, it's goal wasn't pleasure, but rather power and/or enlightenment. Pleasure is just a byproduct. Of course to know the real Tantra it takes to sort out a lot of new agey stuff about "tantric sex", "sacred sexuality" and bullshit like that.

Tantra is a complete system of magic and spirituality in itself and reducing it to only one component (not common to all tantras and constituting only a very small part of a system at that) is a grave misunderstanding.

Moreover, some interpretations say that references to Tantrik sex in the scriptures are just metaphors for some veiled esoteric concept.

from http://www.shivashakti.com/sex.htm

And the Kularnava Tantra says that the divine person, or divya, realises that wine flows from the 1,000 petal lotus, flesh is the sense of duality, fish is the disordering of the senses and sexual intercourse is the union of Kundalini with supreme Shiva. Indeed, the commentary to the famous Karpuradistotra goes further and says that true sexual intercourse is union with the goddess within. Intercourse with any other woman is adultery.

Nevertheless, the view that all references to sex in tantras are just metaphors is wrong too, as there clearly are sexual rites in Tantra. Nevertheless Tantra is far from being concerned with sex and sex certainly isn't a major part of it.

If you are interested in real deal Tantrik sex then I recommend book Kiss of the Yogini by David Gordon White. A word of caution though - while the subject is interesting and the book is based on the solid research it is still a scholar work and the author himself has no practical experience in these matters, moreover as a scholar book on Tantra it is full of Sanskrit terms (although I think that they are all explained). The author also assumes directly the opposite than what I mentioned before - that every reference to sex in tantras has to be understood literally, while maybe it wasn't so in every case. I didn't read the book in it's entirety.

On the other hand, if you are interested in Tantra as a system and not only in it's one particular aspect then I recommend a book Kali Kaula by Jan Fries. It is entry-level but fairly in depth, the author is an occultist himself and he did some serious research so it is accurate (save for the chapters on chakras and Kundalini, which are a bit lacking in my opinion). But again, Tantra is so vast a system that it can't be contained in one book (perhaps not in any number of books), so it is more of a general overview with practical tips and insights on Left Handed Shakta (from Shaktism - the cult of the Goddess) Tantra concerned with magic and worship of Goddess Kali.

Seeker 2016-09-23 10:36:16 No.7934 >>7940

>>7851

>>7907

My first thought was hitler but ok.

Seeker 2016-09-23 19:28:27 No.7940 >>8056 >>7950

>>7934

>a false religion designed to corrupt the world

Hitler…?

Seeker 2016-09-24 12:14:06 No.7950 >>7952

>>7940

Neonazism and racism.

Seeker 2016-09-24 13:34:46 No.7952 >>7958

>>7950

>racism

>corrupting the world

Seeker 2016-09-24 19:13:44 No.7958 >>7966

>>7952

Well it keeps us divided, holding back the coming age of enlightenment.

Seeker 2016-09-24 22:46:12 No.7966 >>7968

>>7958

You're retarded

Seeker 2016-09-24 23:46:40 No.7968 >>7973 >>7970

>>7966

The only way we can achieve worldwide enlightenment is by racemixing, by destroying race, religion, culture, ethnicity, language, and philosophy we can create a world where there are no barriers and everyone is the same.

This is the true goal of humanity.

Seeker 2016-09-25 03:03:19 No.7970 >>7972 >>8014 >>8019

>>7968

And what kind of enlightenment would that be?

If you mix up people's genes, and especially promote african genes (as the current system does), you are going to end up with a world that looks like africa, full of diseases, devastation, violence, scarcity, and general stupidity. That's enlightenment?

It'd be a pretty boring, depressing world, where nothing has worked since the white people were around.

Why want everyone to be the same? That's never gonna happen as long as people have any amount of freedom. If they have freedom, they will make different choices, and differences will appear.

The only way to achieve equality, is to reduce all the ones that are going to be equalized to being slaves.

Seeker 2016-09-25 03:07:14 No.7972 >>8014

>>7970

The masses deserve to be enslaved.

The Chosen shall inherit the earth.

Seeker 2016-09-25 03:14:34 No.7973 >>8014

>>7968

Muddying the gene-pool so we all become brown knuckle-draggers will only ensure another thousand years of darkness.

We need to segregate whites and allow them to evolve naturally and possibly even throw in some designer babies.

Enlightened whites will elevate themselves almost infinitively faster and further than the other races ever could. Only then would anyone ever be able turn and actually aid the spiritual raising of other races.

If you're drowning with someone, you don't attempt to pull them up with you. You surface yourself and pull them up from a vantage point.

As below so above.

Seeker 2016-09-26 06:50:55 No.8010

>>7780

The people who need to find magick will do so in their own good time.

Seeker 2016-09-26 12:42:57 No.8014 >>8054 >>8019

>>7970

Are you weak willed or just straight up stupid? Challenge the narrative and quit giving in to confirmation bias.

>>7972

Those who are slaves will be slaves for ever, and they will collar themselves with a smile. To actively enslave others is to waste your energy trying to keep a mix of hidden-chosen and willful slaves down is straight up retarded.

>>7973

Because this entire idea worked so well for monarchies and isolationists. You want to keep your genes weak and "pure" because you're afraid of big scary black man fucking your wife and turning you gay, cool. Just quit pretending there's any spiritual basis in a divisionist pseudo-scientific narrative.

Seeker 2016-09-26 15:02:04 No.8019 >>8035

>>7970

>And what kind of enlightenment would that be?

illuminati archrontic type of enlightenment. The left pillar, BOAZ. Universalism. Globalization.

Ours is the Right Pillar - Jachin. Segregation. Differentiation. Nahash. Ouroboros.

>>8014

>Just quit pretending there's any spiritual basis in a divisionist pseudo-scientific narrative.

Of course, there is. Race is a manifested spirit. As above so Below, as outer so inner. In a healthy body reigns a healthy spirit. etc

Your idea - that of universalism - is a covert vampirism/parasitism. It's The Left. You need mud-blooded slaves robbed of connection to the Racial Geist so you could rule them. Universal brotherhood of degenerates checking facebook feed on their way to get luquid estrogenes.

> pseudo-scientific narrative.

>science

>science

>science

>narrative

p l s

Seeker 2016-09-26 20:07:18 No.8035 >>8054 >>8049 >>8046

>>8019

First of all, let me say that I genuinely don't care, despite having a different outlook, so consider what I write more of an academic discussion.

>Of course, there is. Race is a manifested spirit. As above so Below, as outer so inner.

I really dislike when people use "as above so below" meme as an argument, especially in race topics. There are plenty of white trashes around, yet they are somehow better than intellectual or spiritual blacks? I mean really, I know a lot of whites who are so braindead that it is genuinely scary. I don't know many black people though, but the one I know is really spiritual and knows his shit when it comes to meditation and is big on energy work.

I mean, what gives? There are stupid whites and wise blacks (and vice versa of course) so if anything this theory of yours isn't universal and if it isn't universal then you could only debate about averages. But then again averages (especially when it comes to such huge populations) can be quite inadequate and in the end, even if you have some quantifiable data, like illiteracy rate for example or percentage of offenders etc. it isn't direct proof of people of other skin color being inherently lesser. After all it can all come from social and historic influences. For example - children living in a ghetto, because they are descendants of slaves etc. You can always claim that black people became slaves because it is their nature, but then again if it is their nature (I of course don't believe in "human nature" meme) then why there are black people who seemingly have different nature, being black all the same?

>In a healthy body reigns a healthy spirit.

I argued about this statement before and repeating myself seems somewhat redundant so I'll just direct you the previous discussion

>>2464

But, for the sake of not being total asshole, just a short question which pretty much sums up my side on that discussion - do you honestly think that working on your body alone leads to any "spiritual gains"? I mean, we all know of people who care solely about their body, all they do is lift, work out and pose to pictures, why they would be automatically more spiritually refined compared to someone who doesn't do shit with their body but, for example, meditates a lot?

Pic unrelated.

Seeker 2016-09-27 06:47:19 No.8046

>>8035

>I really dislike when people use "as above so below" meme as an argument, especially in race topics.

Music is the art par exellance, i.e. it is the most pure mafifestation of the racial soul's yearnings. If you think racial souls are equal just try comparing classical composers of different origin. Then compare ethnic music of Jewish and Arab origin to that of Northern European.

> I mean really, I know a lot of whites who are so braindead that it is genuinely scary.

Are you trying to project conclusions from solitary instances on the whole race? Even if 99,9% percent of 'white' 'people' would be braindead vapenation it would not say anything about the racial soul. Just that is is somehow supressed by 'archontic magic', toxification, etc. with the special help of the (occult) universalists with their idea of 'making them all equal'.

>do you honestly think that working on your body alone leads to any "spiritual gains"?

Of course not. Yet training your body strenthens your will and that is a spiritual gain.

>I mean, we all know of people who care solely about their body

It's the dead end. But hey, let's not forget that some people lack the spiritual component. .. an idea popped to my mind - an esoteric bobybuilding. You could probably charge your sigils with a training routine, by adding few extra reps.

Seeker 2016-09-27 10:33:37 No.8049 >>8077

>>8035

>After all it can all come from social and historic influences. For example - children living in a ghetto, because they are descendants of slaves etc

Look trillions of dollars have been spent on them since the 1960's. Welfare. Affirmative action. Programs. For every dollar their ancestors earned their owners as slaves, they have been all repaid with a lot of interest. And they're still shit.

If there was some freebie that would make them equal, they would have done it. If harshly disciplined, African people would probably reach their full potential, mimicking the behavior of other races. But, by going, the other way, we can get a close look as to how shitty they are.

In Africa, many tribes have not been enslaved, yet they're still shit.

Of course, other nations and people have also suffered their trials and tribulations, slavery, etc. And they're so much better than blacks.

Seeker 2016-09-27 12:16:05 No.8054 >>8160

>>8014

>Challenge the narrative and quit giving in to confirmation bias

What narrative? The only narrative applies to the left where once you dissect their side everything is flimsy half-truths and when it's not it's outright lies. When the left is always setting the rules, every side on the issue is relegated to a narrative, an opinion, a perspective - subjectivity. My advice to you is to realize there is an objective truth and there is a method to discovering it.

Confirmation bias? That's laughable. There's plenty of confirmation bias to go around but I prefer its proper name, evidence. With evidence you never get tired of being right but to people like you, it's always confirmation bias. When you discover that terms like that were invented to shelter lies, you'll realize why you spent so much time believing in "narratives."

>Because this entire idea worked so well for monarchies and isolationists

I don't get it, are you being ironic?

>You want to keep your genes weak and "pure" because you're afraid of big scary black man fucking your wife and turning you gay, cool.

So wait, every person ever who wanted pure genes is actually repressing their fears of getting cucked by another race and becoming homosexual? I didn't realize it was that elaborate an issue. Is this one of those things you learn when you "challenge the narrative?" You're a pretty funny guy.

>Just quit pretending there's any spiritual basis in a divisionist pseudo-scientific narrative.

Last time I checked, ayyliums like the reptilians genetically modify automotan races that better serve their masters. Remember anon, grey lives matter.

>>8035

You want to know what's interesting about mixed race demographics? It's rarely ever counted. In the US almost every form inquiring your race has the same option for White, just White or White-hispanic. But you will never see one for mixed blacks. There are a ton of blacks in the US that are mixed. Most of the ones represented in the media are clearly brown but they are always counted as black. If you closely examine the most successful "blacks" in various industries they are always mixed to varying degrees. Once you realize that, you realize it's comical for them to even identify with their african heritage because these brown people, mulattos, are a mixed race. I can say for certain that this black acquaintance of yours is mixed. He's probably brown, and I'm not surprised you have that view overall. Like you said you don't know many blacks. That's quite a good thing. Black areas are famous for having whites literally leaving behind their homes that their grandparents built.

To make it even more complicated, these comparably more intelligent "blacks" are a minority within a minority. Not even with a 50/50 mixture will that guarantee you a stable and intelligent individual. African genes are usually the ones expressed through consecutive generations. In other words, black genes are more dominant in prevailing generations. Once you muddy the gene pool it takes a lot of blood to make it clean, and the overall process is a gigantic mess. But thanks to the media and how demographics are counted, the vast majority of people still blindly believe that brown-looking blacks that are successful is as black as the native african in a arid third world country who's ancestors never left Africa, areas where missionaries work and routinely return to their home country never expecting that they would become racist. It's comically absurd when you realize how many civil rights representatives are mixed to the point that they have no majorly identifying traits with the greater majority of those they represent. Some are so mixed that their skin color is barely a tan - and yet they count as "black."

So you're right to keep in mind the ghetto whites, but guess what? They're the minority within this particular minority. Whites are the minority of the entire world, but they're the ones who are pressured into race-mixing. Hey after all, we think actors like will smith is a cool guy and he's "black." Why not have a world with more people like him? Wait though, he's not just black he's brown and that means he has a set of white genes that provided those talents to him. Watch a clip of Fresh Prince again with what I said in mind and try to hold back the laughter that this guy is supposed to be playing a ghetto rapper. Then do it again but realize that was the plan all along; have a light brown "black" guy represent ghetto rappers. That will solve race relations; have people unexposed to actual blacks identity blacks with mixed brown people who are god actors.

In the event that mixture is inevitable and thoroughly rampant, let's say evenly distributed because hey equality, white genes will get muddied so much that there won't be any left. Same for asians. There's no good outcome from any of this mixing. But at least everyone will finally be "black."

Seeker 2016-09-27 12:43:46 No.8056 >>8060

>>7807

>The last time occultists tried to spread their message to the masses the jews killed their leader and turned him into the martyr of a false religion designed to corrupt the world to jewish will.

In reply to

>>7940

It think that describes Nazism pretty well. They tried spreading occultism to the world, the jews killed their leader - Hitler - and and turned him into a martyr for a false religion - neo nazism/white pride - which is a movement full of zionists.

Pic very much related.

Seeker 2016-09-27 13:23:19 No.8060 >>8064

>>8056

Do you recon the alt right is a good enough re-brand (if you drop the faggots) for the sake of preserving the race?

Seeker 2016-09-27 14:37:03 No.8064 >>8083 >>8135

>>8060

Preserving the race is not enough. With no culture people will still degenerate, we need to start in the other end, preserve culture and the race will be protected.

It's pretty easy to see why it won't work when the English Defense League, Swedish Defense Legue etc are not defending their own country, but are defending Isreal and "international values".

The alt-right is itself a (((media))) label, noone in this movement called themselves this to begin with. It started off with the Tea Party and evolved from there.

Nationalist movements are scared to death to be labeled anti-semites so they add zionism just to be safe. Then they add gays and finally they add anti-islamism. This shows they are actually a part of the PC culture, they are obeying it every step of the way.

If you are pro your own country, you are naturally opposed to other countries to some degree choosing your own over them. This means if you live in a non-jewish country (meaning any other than Isreal) you are anti-semitic to some degree. It can't be avoided. This is the trick they are using to ruin national movements. You have to be firm and say "I don't fucking care about jews, I'm only for my own country and my own religion, and I'm not a jew."

Seeker 2016-09-27 23:32:10 No.8077 >>8119

>>8049

pretty much, slavs have been enslaved for far far FAR longer than blacks and I don't see them complaining

Seeker 2016-09-28 01:22:42 No.8083 >>8096

>>8064

>preserve culture

What culture are you calling us to presrve? Elaborate.

Seeker 2016-09-28 14:54:35 No.8096

>>8083

Your own national traditional culture. It's very weak in a lot of countries so it may be hard to even know it by now.

You can do a reverse thing, look at what is considered international values and international culture, then look at what isn't. The part that's left is your own national or regional culture.

Most culture used to be based on what kind of land you live in. How would people live here, how would they survive.

Some simple things would be like how Italy is associated with pasta and olive gardens, France is known for wine and cheese. There are usually a certain artistic line your country is known for as well.

What isn't national culture are things like multinational coorporations produce. Take coca-cola for example. Most countries had their own national drinks, but now companies like this come in and make them go out of business. That's killing the national culture.

Supporting your local producers and brands and boycotting those international one's is one important part.

What are the things you think of when you hear the name of a country, that is unique for this specific country? We need to protect those things.

This is the main reason the EU must be disbanded. It is actively working to remove the national cultures of Europe, turning it into one big land mass with its own army and no national borders or differences.

Once there are no borders it's easy to claim there are no different peoples either, and everyone should just mix together. This is how they are destroying ALL races, not just whites.

Seeker 2016-09-28 21:23:59 No.8119 >>8135

>>8077

Haven't heard of Slavs being enslaved for any period of time (maybe apart from some Roman expeditions) so could you maybe elaborate?

Seeker 2016-09-29 00:27:04 No.8135 >>8136

>>8119

That's because we were enslaved by our own royalty since around the 11th century, becoming more and more prevalent as time went on until the 19th when it more or less stopped. The official name was serfdom but still slavery in essence, leaving the landowner's land was punishable, couldn't marry whoever you wanted etc.

There's good reason why some call slavs the niggers of Europe.

>>8064

Can't preserve culture if there's a foreign element that breeds way faster than the locals is present. Getting whites to recognize and care for their culture is half the battle, the other half is still violence.

Seeker 2016-09-29 00:42:05 No.8136 >>8156

>>8135

>That's because we were enslaved by our own royalty since around the 11th century

Depends on the country (I guess?) but there were royal Slavic families and nobility was also Slavic (at least in my country so if anything this isn't something universal to all Slavs). Common people were slaves to royalty everywhere btw.

Seeker 2016-09-29 13:13:31 No.8156 >>8163 >>8175

>>8136

I forget when it happened but at some point the Tzar family got a western European admixture. Pretty sure a good potion of the rest of the nobility did too since virtually all of them spoke French.

If you were a reparation seeking faggot you could argue that the Brits or whoever now owes something to the Russian people but nobody there really cares about the whole thing, unlike say, blacks.

Seeker 2016-09-29 15:42:34 No.8160 >>8175 >>8182 >>8210

>>8054

>What narrative? The only narrative applies to the left where once you dissect their side everything is flimsy half-truths and when it's not it's outright lies. When the left is always setting the rules, every side on the issue is relegated to a narrative, an opinion, a perspective - subjectivity. My advice to you is to realize there is an objective truth and there is a method to discovering it.

The narrative of race in general, the one that involves a denial of most research/progress in regards to sociology, psychology, history, culture, and economics to support a simplistic worldview.

This goes beyond left or right, and no matter how much you hate the bullshit of any political party (spoiler: they all suck), it doesn't have any bearing on the objective truth.

>Confirmation bias? That's laughable. There's plenty of confirmation bias to go around but I prefer its proper name, evidence. With evidence you never get tired of being right but to people like you, it's always confirmation bias. When you discover that terms like that were invented to shelter lies, you'll realize why you spent so much time believing in "narratives."

If you're cool with bullshitting yourself, whatever, but you really don't see a problem with bitching about the left and their flimsy half truths when you're literally doing the exact same shit and claiming objectivity?

Narratives exist and are spun constantly. They exist objectivel. You wanna deny the concept of narratives but yammer on about "objective trooths"?

>I don't get it, are you being ironic?

Pretty much yeah. Inbreeding joke mostly.

>So wait, every person ever who wanted pure genes is actually repressing their fears of getting cucked by another race and becoming homosexual?

Nah, just you. (in case you couldn't tell, this is more irony)

Nobody's holding you at gunpoint and telling you to fuck a black chick. It's your kid, if you choose to even have one. Your idea of "purity" however, is a restricting dogma that severely limits your choices in mate selection based on archaic bullshit.

>I didn't realize it was that elaborate an issue. Is this one of those things you learn when you "challenge the narrative?" You're a pretty funny guy.

You challenged narratives to get here dude.

Quit focusing on the terms like a politically correct feminist for a sec, replace narrative with belief, religion, ideology, brainchild, or whatever other word will make you stop bitching about semantics.

>Last time I checked, ayyliums like the reptilians genetically modify automotan races that better serve their masters. Remember anon, grey lives matter.

I don't get it, are you being ironic?

>You want to know what's interesting about mixed race demographics? It's rarely ever counted. In the US almost every form inquiring your race has the same option for White, just White or White-hispanic. But you will never see one for mixed blacks.

Depends on the form. There's been an increasing number of forms that have a non-hispanic mixed option, though most will have "other".

>There are a ton of blacks in the US that are mixed. Most of the ones represented in the media are clearly brown but they are always counted as black. If you closely examine the most successful "blacks" in various industries they are always mixed to varying degrees. Once you realize that, you realize it's comical for them to even identify with their african heritage because these brown people, mulattos, are a mixed race. I can say for certain that this black acquaintance of yours is mixed.

Most people in general are mixed, especially in America, a massive country occupied by mostly foreigners from different countries from all over the world.

>Black areas are famous for having whites literally leaving behind their homes that their grandparents built.

That or they'd just brutally murder the new black neighbors because their grandpappies told em niggers taint no good.

>To make it even more complicated, these comparably more intelligent "blacks" are a minority within a minority. Not even with a 50/50 mixture will that guarantee you a stable and intelligent individual. African genes are usually the ones expressed through consecutive generations. In other words, black genes are more dominant in prevailing generations. Once you muddy the gene pool it takes a lot of blood to make it clean, and the overall process is a gigantic mess. But thanks to the media and how demographics are counted, the vast majority of people still blindly believe that brown-looking blacks that are successful is as black as the native african in a arid third world country who's ancestors never left Africa, areas where missionaries work and routinely return to their home country never expecting that they would become racist. It's comically absurd when you realize how many civil rights representatives are mixed to the point that they have no majorly identifying traits with the greater majority of those they represent. Some are so mixed that their skin color is barely a tan - and yet they count as "black."

Another reason why race in general makes no god damned sense. Of course, this raises the question of whether the problem is the genetic heritage of the blacks in shitty-africa, or the history and culture of incessant conflict exacerbated by other countries taking advantage of the chaos, with some here and there helping to look good but an overall change in structure and civilization never really taking place except in population hubs like South Africa and Egypt which is unfortunately close to the middle-east clusterfuck.

Considering the success of even mildly mixed people with mostly African genes in first world countries, the evidence seems to be pointing to this shit being complicated as all hell, and no simplistic narrative rooted in fears and biases will ever come very close to a solution.

>So you're right to keep in mind the ghetto whites, but guess what? They're the minority within this particular minority. Whites are the minority of the entire world, but they're the ones who are pressured into race-mixing.

This is the left being the left in general, a pack of whiny sycophants who are generally worse than even the most overt racists because they're 25% good intentions, 49% white-man's-burden era thinking, and 25% non-issues. Again, fuck who you want, have kids with a woman you love (or don't, I'm not your dad).

>So you're right to keep in mind the ghetto whites, but guess what? They're the minority within this particular minority. Whites are the minority of the entire world, but they're the ones who are pressured into race-mixing. Hey after all, we think actors like will smith is a cool guy and he's "black." Why not have a world with more people like him? Wait though, he's not just black he's brown and that means he has a set of white genes that provided those talents to him. Watch a clip of Fresh Prince again with what I said in mind and try to hold back the laughter that this guy is supposed to be playing a ghetto rapper.

If you think Will Smith was playing a ghetto rapper in the Fresh Prince, you probably haven't actually watched any of it. The whole show deconstructs the idea of black=ghetto, it's kind of the fucking point.

The intro is him getting his ass handed to him by real thugs before his disappointed mother decides to send him to live with his rich family across the country.

>Then do it again but realize that was the plan all along; have a light brown "black" guy represent ghetto rappers. That will solve race relations; have people unexposed to actual blacks identity blacks with mixed brown people who are god actors.

What, have all people with African heritage on TV be portrayed as spear chucking warmongers who sell drugs and starve to death in ghettos when they can't hunt enough lions to fund their rap careers?

Maybe the solution to race relations is to quit exacerbating shit with actions and political policies rooted in junk ideologies that should have died centuries ago when they lead to senseless massacres and widespread general misery for pretty much all parties involved.

>In the event that mixture is inevitable and thoroughly rampant, let's say evenly distributed because hey equality, white genes will get muddied so much that there won't be any left. Same for asians. There's no good outcome from any of this mixing. But at least everyone will finally be "black."

It probably is inevitable. You can teach your child all you want about genetic purity and the importance of preserving the white race, but if he drops one nut in a black girl or she gets one black creampie then whoops! There goes your "purity".

You wanna ignore the objective truth to the complexity of humankind, cool. You're probably mostly wrong though, and the evidence becomes apparent the moment you look deeply and objectively at the world you live in.

Seeker 2016-09-29 18:02:09 No.8163

>>8156

Wasn't talking about Russia, don't know it's history.

>Pretty sure a good potion of the rest of the nobility did too since virtually all of them spoke French.

People were speaking French because it was popular and it was considered an international language of aristocracy. We speak in English at the moment, does it signify anything? Also, most children of nobility were studying abroad.

>I forget when it happened but at some point the Tzar family got a western European admixture.

Don't know about Russia, but pretty much everywhere Habsuburgs had their daughters. That doesn't mean that the king was a foreign king nor that the nobility didn't have Slavic roots. That also doesn't mean that Slavs were enslaved by their royalty.

With that being said - people everywhere in Europe were (and pretty much still are in some countries) slaves to the church and christianity.

Anyway, lets end this offtopic.

Seeker 2016-09-30 00:48:25 No.8175 >>8193 >>8204

>>8160

Some blah>>8160

>The narrative of race in general, the one that involves a denial of most research/progress in regards to sociology, psychology, history, culture, and economics to support a simplistic worldview.

Much of what you write is composed of vague statements, such as above, insinuations, without saying exactly what you talk about or what you believe in.

Are you afraid of being shown you are wrong?

>>8156

>>Black areas are famous for having whites literally leaving behind their homes that their grandparents built.

>That or they'd just brutally murder the new black neighbors because their grandpappies told em niggers taint no good.

There is such meanness behind that. Insinuating that white people engage in violence towards blacks. The reality is that even the KKK only acted as a vigilante group punishing blacks who had committed rape or murder, during times like today when the police wouldn't act.

Other than that, crime statistics, show that they're attacking us in all kinds of ways, especially murder and rape, and we're not shooting back nearly enough. It'd take only a little shooting back to ensure the safety of my people.

Seeker 2016-09-30 06:32:50 No.8182

>>8160

It's not surprising to see that you are confused. Let me see if I can help.

>The narrative of race in general, the one that involves a denial of most research/progress in regards to sociology, psychology, history, culture, and economics to support a simplistic worldview.

You do realize this actually applies to your beliefs? Except you need to substitute simplistic with convoluted or rather, false.

>This goes beyond left or right, and no matter how much you hate the bullshit of any political party (spoiler: they all suck), it doesn't have any bearing on the objective truth.

I agree. However most people still ascribe to the left vs. right political spectrum so using it is like utilizing a dialect. Another common problem is assuming a political party stands for left or right when they're both controlled opposition, i.e. US politics.

>Narratives exist and are spun constantly. They exist objectivel. You wanna deny the concept of narratives but yammer on about "objective trooths"?

There is only "the narrative" and what's objectively true. "The narrative" consists of many interwoven lies that seem isolated, but a surprising amount of them can all be traced back to a single point.

>Your idea of "purity" however, is a restricting dogma that severely limits your choices in mate selection based on archaic bullshit.

>Pretty much yeah. Inbreeding joke mostly.

So you believe in the dangers of inbreeding but you don't believe in inherent racial differences? That's amusing. On one hand you accept genetics but on the other you dismiss the clearest example of genetics.

>Most people in general are mixed, especially in America, a massive country occupied by mostly foreigners from different countries from all over the world.

So it's all a moot point because people may already be mixed to a certain degree? Please attempt to maintain consistency. Do you mean a person of various European heritage?

>That or they'd just brutally murder the new black neighbors because their grandpappies told em niggers taint no good.

It's called White Flight. Rather than becoming accused of racism by standing up for themselves they leave.

>Another reason why race in general makes no god damned sense. Of course, this raises the question of whether the problem is the genetic heritage of the blacks in shitty-africa, or the history and culture of incessant conflict exacerbated by other countries taking advantage of the chaos, with some here and there helping to look good but an overall change in structure and civilization never really taking place except in population hubs like South Africa and Egypt which is unfortunately close to the middle-east clusterfuck.

African history features an extremely long span of time with no outside influence, no outside contact for hundreds of years, and yet left to their own devices they built nothing, attained nothing, and contribute nothing.

>Considering the success of even mildly mixed people with mostly African genes in first world countries, the evidence seems to be pointing to this shit being complicated as all hell, and no simplistic narrative rooted in fears and biases will ever come very close to a solution.

So you admit you don't understand the topic at all but you absolutely need to inject your lack of understanding into the discussion. Wonderful. The irony is that race is very simple and yet you like any other layperson finds it "complicated as hell" because you're dealing with a mountain of disinformation and decades of propaganda. You forfeited, you admit your level of understanding it is that of confusion, but you need to always insist the truth is nothing but a "simplistic narrative rooted in fears and biases" as if you understood. The saddest part is there are many people like you, so don't take it personally. You have yet to "challenge the narrative," as you say.

>If you think Will Smith was playing a ghetto rapper in the Fresh Prince, you probably haven't actually watched any of it. The whole show deconstructs the idea of black=ghetto, it's kind of the fucking point. The intro is him getting his ass handed to him by real thugs before his disappointed mother decides to send him to live with his rich family across the country.

Do you read your own words? You agreed with my point without even realizing it.

Seeker 2016-09-30 13:07:52 No.8193 >>8196

>>8175

https://youtu.be/lnteojMwNnU

How true is this image of american racism?

It's a bit funny how this is portrayed because KKK was the tea party of the democrats at the time, even murdering republicans, while today they're seen as a "right wing" movement. How do you make this work, it's ridiculous.

Seeker 2016-09-30 13:22:41 No.8196 >>8202 >>8208

>>8193

Use discernment. Imagine that was real, and the KKK had machine gunned a whole bunch of niggers like that. It'd support so much the leftist narrative that they would have made it into a national holiday. They'd remind us of it every year.

So, I know that's the way (((they))) would have wanted it to have happened, not the way actually did happen. Stop and think why (((they))) would want atrocities to have happened to negroes. What are (((they))) trying to justify with it?

Seeker 2016-09-30 15:23:01 No.8202

>>8196

>sociologists

>(((dobratz)))

>(((shanks-meile)))

It's always those fucking kike rat bastards isn't it, every time.

Seeker 2016-09-30 17:31:06 No.8204 >>8488

>>8175

>Are you afraid of being shown you are wrong?

Nah, just aware that this conversation isn't really going to go anywhere (discussions/arguments about race/racism never do, no matter the side or setting) so I'm not terribly invested in trying to win a debate, as much as I am in trying to get at least one person somewhere out there to think a little more deeply on the subject.

>There is such meanness behind that. Insinuating that white people engage in violence towards blacks. The reality is that even the KKK only acted as a vigilante group punishing blacks who had committed rape or murder, during times like today when the police wouldn't act.

Have you bothered to look at the other side at all? Shit, most people at least heard of Emmet Till. Also, isn't that the exact same backstory given to the Bloods and Crips?

>

Other than that, crime statistics, show that they're attacking us in all kinds of ways, especially murder and rape, and we're not shooting back nearly enough. It'd take only a little shooting back to ensure the safety of my people.

Vague statements sayest thou?

>You do realize this actually applies to your beliefs? Except you need to substitute simplistic with convoluted or rather, false

Yeah, probably. Truth is usually somewhere between the extremes.

>I agree. However most people still ascribe to the left vs. right political spectrum so using it is like utilizing a dialect. Another common problem is assuming a political party stands for left or right when they're both controlled opposition, i.e. US politics.

Yeah, I know that. Just seemed that you presumed I was leftist because I think racism's dumb.

>There is only "the narrative" and what's objectively true. "The narrative" consists of many interwoven lies that seem isolated, but a surprising amount of them can all be traced back to a single point.

There are multiple narratives, all twisting, turning, influencing each other, contradicting themselves, and mixing lies & truths in varying degrees. The internet has exacerbated this.

>So you believe in the dangers of inbreeding but you don't believe in inherent racial differences? That's amusing. On one hand you accept genetics but on the other you dismiss the clearest example of genetics.

Okay yeah, totally should clarify.

My point isn't that we're all one big happy family who should get along, but that race is generally a poorly defined and inconsistent term that is taken far more seriously than it should. We aren't all one big happy family, there are differences between the "races", but the line between differences brought about by Nurture and the differences brought about by Nature for some reason isn't being drawn.

>So it's all a moot point because people may already be mixed to a certain degree? Please attempt to maintain consistency. Do you mean a person of various European heritage?

>So it's all a moot point because people may already be mixed to a certain degree?

Moot? No. Weakened? Yeah.

>Please attempt to maintain consistency.

Hard to do given the subject.

>Do you mean a person of various European heritage?

Basically, but I'm speaking very broadly about the nature of the American population in general.

>It's called White Flight. Rather than becoming accused of racism by standing up for themselves they leave.

Standing up to what?

>African history features an extremely long span of time with no outside influence, no outside contact for hundreds of years, and yet left to their own devices they built nothing, attained nothing, and contribute nothing.

Bullshit. Africa is a massive continent consisting of multiple countries of varying degrees of civilization, each with their own histories. Some of them are excuseless shitholes lead by primitive, backwater hicks.

>So you admit you don't understand the topic at all but you absolutely need to inject your lack of understanding into the discussion.

No. I understand that the topic is more complex than most people are willing to admit. I could sit here and type, research both our points for hours, and highlight all the different factors that have played a part in the success and failure of countless different degrees of mixed and totally african people all over the world, but you're dead set on winning an argument, as opposed to deepening your understanding of a subject you are convinced lines up perfectly with your personal biases.

>The irony is that race is very simple and yet you like any other layperson finds it "complicated as hell" because you're dealing with a mountain of disinformation and decades of propaganda.

Dude, you just agreed with me. Race is certainly simple. That is the flaw. It's a simple grid layed over a complex world.

Never mind the mountain of propaganda and decades of disinformation that you deal with.

>You forfeited, you admit your level of understanding it is that of confusion, but you need to always insist the truth is nothing but a "simplistic narrative rooted in fears and biases" as if you understood. The saddest part is there are many people like you, so don't take it personally. You have yet to "challenge the narrative," as you say.

When you're done whacking off, try reading without the intention to beat an imagined enemy. You've nothing to lose.

>Do you read your own words? You agreed with my point without even realizing it.

No actually. Deconstructing the idea of black identity and highlighting the variety of lifestyles it entails isn't the same as trying to push the idea that all blacks are nice.

Serious question, did you actually watch the show?

>I.Q. Stat

Ignoring all criticisms of I.Q. and it's measure, the study cites stats from two different surveys, one of which surveyed a generation that was raised in during the civil rights movement.

In short, the chart and the statistics it's attempting to cite may well be true, but do not support genetic inferiority as much as they reflect the educational gap.

Of course, could be a mix of both. Either way, the solution sure as hell isn't to lobby against educating blacks.

>Multiple stats

Certainly refutes a lot of shit I'm not saying. Yes, biodiversity and genetics are verifiably true. Of course, when we get to the statistics regarding blacks in schools, it gets interesting. Of course, the previous issue still applies, it's more correlation without examining all sources of causation. With widespread poverty, multiple consecutive generations without education, and of course the effects of documented institutional racism taken into account, the stat again remains true, but unsupportive of white genetic superiority.

>zimbabwe

Damn, Zimbabwe is fuckin' up!

No evidence in favor of genetic theory though.

This is a problem with statistics. They record the data, not the cause. Nowhere given is a direct attribution that links African genes to stupidity or European genes to intelligence.

Seeker 2016-09-30 19:50:34 No.8208

>>8196

>pic

I feel like this is the way people look at it in the US, and now others are trying to pick this up and apply it where it doesn't belong. Talking about "white power racists" in Europe makes no sense at all when white power is a literal system used exclusively in the US and nowhere else.

Americanizing the culture only works to a certain degree, you can spam movies and tv-series, music and dress codes, but you can't export historical context. What took place on the other side of the world still won't mean much to people when they have no relation to it at all.

Too bad when people who are pro white use the same words in Europe, it makes them look kinda dumb imo, and it exposes them to the media firing squad for no reason. You can't make nationalism into an international movement, and the nationalism of a specific country can't be used elsewere.

I wish people realized this.

I have to say tho I don't like either of the "pride" movements, they're leftie concepts. Asian pride is a bit stupid, there's huge differences and conflicts between for example china and philipinnes, and indians even look completely different. The biggest threat to asians is china, not some external non-asian group.

I know the wiki articles are racist in describing white/black pride differently, but you know, I consider black pride to be just as racist (if not more)as the white supremacists. I don't like either.

Seeker 2016-09-30 22:20:19 No.8210

>>8160

I cant even into argument here have a gif. ENJOY!!!!

Seeker 2016-10-08 01:20:56 No.8488 >>8493 >>8669 >>8678

>>8204

>Nah, just aware that this conversation isn't really going to go anywhere (discussions/arguments about race/racism never do, no matter the side or setting) so I'm not terribly invested in trying to win a debate, as much as I am in trying to get at least one person somewhere out there to think a little more deeply on the subject.

That's rich. This is coming from the guy who doesn't want to do any basic research and says that the conversation is pointless but carries it on.

>Have you bothered to look at the other side at all? Shit, most people at least heard of Emmet Till. Also, isn't that the exact same backstory given to the Bloods and Crips?

"The Other Side" is the mainstream side. Believe it or not, a ton of the racists you see online used to be blind people like you.

>because I think racism's dumb.

>but that race is generally a poorly defined and inconsistent term

You may be surprised, or rather not surprised because you claim to be uninvested in the discussion as if that's a strength, that the term racism originates from marxist writers. Marxist/communists were the major proponents of race-mixing. Think about that, or don't.

>No. I understand that the topic is more complex than most people are willing to admit. I could sit here and type, research both our points for hours, and highlight all the different factors that have played a part in the success and failure of countless different degrees of mixed and totally african people all over the world, but you're dead set on winning an argument, as opposed to deepening your understanding of a subject you are convinced lines up perfectly with your personal biases.

So you not only admit you don't want to do your own research, claim "I'm not totally not invested in this. This isn't a debate. I just want people to think more deeply," then what do you really want? You bring nothing to the discussion except overt skepticism and glance over evidence in favor of what you believe in. There's overt skepticism, there's denial, and then there's what you're doing.

>Ignoring all criticisms of I.Q. and it's measure, the study cites stats from two different surveys, one of which surveyed a generation that was raised in during the civil rights movement.

Even if that was a factor, desegregation and HEA were in full effect for more than a decade. Way before that chart and its data was collected, blacks were given the same classrooms and educational standards. If they weren't, schools would lose funding and risk tons of other penalties and punishments. This is something that goes on to this day. Care to bet how many of the higher IQ blacks there were and to what degrees were they mixed?

Here's a nice treat: https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

inb4, muh hypothetical and alleged education standards and muh IQ critique

>In short, the chart and the statistics it's attempting to cite may well be true, but do not support genetic inferiority as much as they reflect the educational gap.

In short, what you're saying is complete bullshit. US educational standards goes absurdly far and beyond to support various educational handicaps. Tons of money gets poured into ridiculous amounts of equal opportunity educational facilities, programs, and the like. Feel free to claim otherwise.

>Certainly refutes a lot of shit I'm not saying. Yes, biodiversity and genetics are verifiably true. Of course, when we get to the statistics regarding blacks in schools, it gets interesting. Of course, the previous issue still applies, it's more correlation without examining all sources of causation. With widespread poverty, multiple consecutive generations without education, and of course the effects of documented institutional racism taken into account, the stat again remains true, but unsupportive of white genetic superiority.

If you're going to actually address something, specifically address it instead of relying on generalizations like a crutch and waltzing around the data put in front of you.

>No evidence in favor of genetic theory though. This is a problem with statistics. They record the data, not the cause. Nowhere given is a direct attribution that links African genes to stupidity or European genes to intelligence.

It's very amusing that by the time you decided to address the ongoing and living example of what Zimbabe is, you had a knee-jerk reaction and spouted off with genetics, statistics, data, and causes when ironically the story wasn't directly about all of that. In other words you can't even risk addressing the story in front of you. You're a complete fraud, do you realize that? The living proof is all around you and you can't even risk reporting what you've seen. Quit lying to yourself so you can stop lying to others.

Seeker 2016-10-08 08:35:01 No.8493 >>8496 >>8498

>>8488

Gas yourself, alt kike.

Seeker 2016-10-08 13:36:59 No.8496

>>8493

Shitty embedded vid unrelated, right?

>some non whites have higher IQ than the average whites

>therefore having some non whites in our countries is ok

The bog needs to be filled up again it seems.

Seeker 2016-10-08 15:09:44 No.8498 >>8581

>>8493

alt-kike is a term used by actual white wing warriors who want to gas the kikes race war now

You aren't allowed to use the term if you don't want to kill every single non-white.

Seeker 2016-10-10 08:02:43 No.8581

>>8498

Gas yourself, kike.

Seeker 2016-10-12 15:43:00 No.8669 >>8784 >>8678

>>8488

>That's rich. This is coming from the guy who doesn't want to do any basic research and says that the conversation is pointless but carries it on

Doesn't need a point to be interesting.

>"The Other Side" is the mainstream side.

lolwut

Seriously, you don't see anything wrong with outright dismissing anything that contradicts your views as "mainstream media"? Nevermind that the mainstream media narrative isn't the only one that disagrees with your "truths".

>Believe it or not, a ton of the racists you see online used to be blind people like you.

"So many christians used to be atheists until they saw the light of god, instead of worshipping satan like you!"

>Marxist/communists were the major proponents of race-mixing. Think about that, or don't.

You really suck at the whole "correlation =/= causation" thing huh?

>then what do you really want? You bring nothing to the discussion except overt skepticism and glance over evidence in favor of what you believe in. There's overt skepticism, there's denial, and then there's what you're doing.

I want strong conversation. I'm sick of echo chambers and strawmen on all sides.

Skepticism is important, on forums like this, subjects like this, and in general. You've glanced over your own data, it's context, and all possibilities that remotely contradict you.Seems to me that's why you're all pissy, because my hypocrisy and laziness reflects your own. But I'm admitting it.

>Even if that was a factor, desegregation and HEA were in full effect for more than a decade. Way before that chart and its data was collected, blacks were given the same classrooms and educational standards. If they weren't, schools would lose funding and risk tons of other penalties and punishments. This is something that goes on to this day. Care to bet how many of the higher IQ blacks there were and to what degrees were they mixed?

You really think that there was no discrepancy, no gap in the quality of life or education for blacks in the 70's and 80's? I'm honestly asking.

>Here's a nice treat: https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

Holy shit, you mean countries with widespread poverty and very little education that have been losing wars and getting generally fucked over wind up being kinda shitty?

>In short, what you're saying is complete bullshit. US educational standards goes absurdly far and beyond to support various educational handicaps. Tons of money gets poured into ridiculous amounts of equal opportunity educational facilities, programs, and the like. Feel free to claim otherwise.

Modern education standards and education standards from the days when "educating the blacks" was a controversial subject kind of differ. You certainly seem to have a lot of faith in the US government and education system though.

>If you're going to actually address something, specifically address it instead of relying on generalizations like a crutch and waltzing around the data put in front of you.

What, and stop pissing you off? Don't figure having several generations of family who weren't allowed to read might have an impact on how well a kid might learn?

>t's very amusing that by the time you decided to address the ongoing and living example of what Zimbabe is, you had a knee-jerk reaction and spouted off with genetics, statistics, data, and causes when ironically the story wasn't directly about all of that. In other words you can't even risk addressing the story in front of you. You're a complete fraud, do you realize that? The living proof is all around you and you can't even risk reporting what you've seen. Quit lying to yourself so you can stop lying to others.

So Zimbabwe being a shithole ruled by an incompetent man somehow means the rest of the entire continent and every human being who descended from anybody born on said colossal land mass has junk DNA.

Should have gone with north western regions to at least give it some connection to the Atlantic slave trade.

You really think I give anything resembling a fuck what you think about me? You're so attached to this idea that you're somehow special because "muh pure white genetics" that you're bitching and moaning and harping on a stranger who's been practically admitting that they're half fucking with you.

Meditate, do a ritual or something.

Seeker 2016-10-12 19:49:59 No.8678 >>8699

>>8488

>>8669

tl:dr

Ban clarification: Shitposting outside /loosh/, rule 2, rule 3, rule 3 and 4 and moderator guideline: Incessant shitposting could get a ban. Now go outside and breathe some air.

Seeker 2016-10-12 22:25:03 No.8699 >>8711

>>8678

>(1 day leisure time for tldr outside /loosh/)

Are the mods fucking serious?

From fringechan.org's Global Rules: http://fringechan.org/faq.html

Do not post, request, or link to any content that is illegal and or may get us sent to jail or have our servers shutdown (i.e., child porn).

Don't spam (create on topic threads, and post constructivly)

That is all. You have total free speech.

I do not see how this post breaks that rule. Its not spam, and it does not contain any CP.

I'd appreciate if whoever is responsible for this to say exactly why this user was presumably banned.

If this was a serious ban, then I'm fucking disgusted by whoever did it.

Seeker 2016-10-13 04:35:25 No.8711

>>8699

There are /fringe/-specific rules besides the global rules, but yeah, this does not break any and it does not warrant a ban. They were having a conversation, not shitposting.

Seeker 2016-10-14 05:23:03 No.8784

>>8669

> "correlation =/= causation"

Sounds like you just got out of Psychology 101 where that is a very popular phrase, all too fitting for a soft-"science." Here's a tip, saying that correlation doesn't prove causation doesn't dismiss the importance of the correlation, which is what you've been doing and all that you've been doing - implying proof is merely correlation when it is in fact an indicator. Denial comes in many flavors and relying on that phrase is merely a crutch which is all to telling for what people like you are like. Trotsky, where we get the term Trotskyite, or a marxist thinker in line with his tripe popularized the term racism in his 1930s book The History of the Russian Revolution. Early on, racemixing was also an alternative term for desegregation in schools. Desegregation was in most part a plot engineered by communist infiltrators in the united states. Famous communist infiltrators include MLK Jr.

>I want strong conversation. I'm sick of echo chambers and strawmen on all sides. Skepticism is important, on forums like this, subjects like this, and in general. You've glanced over your own data, it's context, and all possibilities that remotely contradict you.Seems to me that's why you're all pissy, because my hypocrisy and laziness reflects your own. But I'm admitting it.

If what you're saying is true then how come you have brought nothing forward except overt denial? Skepticism is better used as a tool, not a stance. When you conflate skepticism with posting behavior, you're doing nothing but bringing overt denial which excludes examination of data and evidence. You've done nothing against the information I've brought except (in much nicer phrasing), "No, that's not true." If you want a strong conversation then do your part instead of pretending to be the voice of reason, the better man, or whatever pretentious facade you prefer to hide behind.

>forums

This is an imageboard and you sound like you don't belong here.

>You really think that there was no discrepancy, no gap in the quality of life or education for blacks in the 70's and 80's? I'm honestly asking.

>Modern education standards and education standards from the days when "educating the blacks" was a controversial subject kind of differ. You certainly seem to have a lot of faith in the US government and education system though.

You should actually research things for once. They didn't just throw money at improving black education. They experimented with it to an obscene degree. http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html

^This article is about the Kansas City Experiment. Here is an excerpt that you may find interesting:

>For decades critics of the public schools have been saying, "You can't solve educational problems by throwing money at them." The education establishment and its supporters have replied, "No one's ever tried." In Kansas City they did try. To improve the education of black students and encourage desegregation, a federal judge invited the Kansas City, Missouri, School District to come up with a cost-is-no-object educational plan and ordered local and state taxpayers to find the money to pay for it.

>Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil–more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.

Later on in the article it lists the amount of 2,000,000,000+ as the total cost.

>The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration.

>The Kansas City experiment suggests that, indeed, educational problems can't be solved by throwing money at them, that the structural problems of our current educational system are far more important than a lack of material resources, and that the focus on desegregation diverted attention from the real problem, low achievement.

Please for once do not reply if you intend to dodge the evidence brought forward, yet again. If you want a strong conversation like you wish for, directly address evidence and feel free to bring your own. If you're going to take the counter-position, then that's the evidence you should be bringing. For example, I'm expecting your reply to be along the lines of, "But that's just one example." You're going to have to do better than that if you want a strong conversation. So far in my posts I have been linking and posting evidence to back up what I am saying. Even in your views where everything is a narrative, so far I am backing up my "narrative" and you haven't done your part. In this isolated situation, my "narrative" has stronger weight regardless of your own position, denial, and so on - mainly due to your lack of evidence. Do your part. If you want a strong conversation then don't bring a weak argument or no argument at all.

>So Zimbabwe being a shithole ruled by an incompetent man somehow means the rest of the entire continent and every human being who descended from anybody born on said colossal land mass has junk DNA.

>Holy shit, you mean countries with widespread poverty and very little education that have been losing wars and getting generally fucked over wind up being kinda shitty?

It's amusing but not so surprising this is the reaction you gave. Yet again you did not directly address what was being shown here. In the most recent example I gave, nothing improved even within the great country of the US where they plunged 2,000,000,000+ dollars into the education of a brand new desegregated school district. It made no impact. On a comparatively greater microcosm that is Zimbabwe, once Mugabe kicked out all of the whites which incidentally happened to be the only source of farmers in the country, Zimbabwe did not take up the task of farming - or rather feeding itself. Ask yourself, if blacks are self-sufficient, why do they not improve their own conditions on their own? If blacks are as capable, why do they constantly need the whites to improve themselves? Even in your own replies you explain that the root problem is that conditions must be improved for them so they can succeed which incidentally implies they can't do it on their own - which is the truth. Zimbabwe showed that as a country they could not use the then-abandoned farmlands to feed their own fellow blacks. The Kansas City Experiment showed that even American Blacks, blacks that are more likely to possess a greater degree of white genes, they could not improve even decades after 2,000,000,000+ was invested in their education, let alone desegregation. The bottom line is: they can't improve their own conditions on their own and they can't improve even with an obscene amount of money and aid given to them.

>Meditate, do a ritual or something.

Take your own advice except add research to the list of things to do. And don't just "research." If you're so preoccupied with staying away from narratives why not challenge the most prevalent and insulated "narrative" that is the mainstream narrative. Ask yourself, if you're such a model of skepticism, why aren't you being skeptical to the most dominant "narrative" that is out there?

Seeker 2016-11-12 13:06:39 No.9904

>>7780

Because we're all mundanes. From one world to another.

Seeker 2016-11-14 19:38:19 No.9956

I have no interest in teaching others, just myself

If someone asks me a question i might help them if i feel like it.

Occult is a latin word for hidden knowledge, only abrahmic faggots go around shoving their opinions into people