Do you want a fringe fortress? A bastion of magic and consciousness where you can learn and become self-realized away from all the mundanity of the world? Then we invite you to join us in manifesting it.
There are several of us already dedicated to this project, but all true seekers are welcomed.
We're already building a digital wizard academy, lets bring it into the physical as well, let's make something glorious.
Is this like /pol/ wanting to found their own country or are you suggesting starting a school or what?
Where do the several on the project meet to discuss this?
If we could get sovereign land, that would be best. But basically it would be a place where seekers could come to learn, cultivate themselves, and do group magics with others in physical life. A place where you don't need to puzzle out the workings of the universe in solitude without anything but books and digital guidance. You could call it a school, I prefer the word academy, ideally it would also be self sufficient community.
Mostly on IRC.
Content is always appreciated. We are indexing it as we build. Right now we're sketching out some read-list-libraries for the lower ranks.
The overall plan for fringe(chan) is to be a door portal to magic, a place for the research, and proliferation of the knowledge thereof, a place where seekers can come to satiate their cosmic curiosity.
If you're offering a teaching posts at the actual fringe academy, we'd love to have you. Especially after all the great content you've contributed.
Won't a physical piece of land be an easy target?
Darker powers will shut it down in no time.
I love the idea of a 'fringe nation' though! I'd like to help in any way.
>Won't a physical piece of land be an easy target?
Just as there are (higher) negative powers, there are (higher) positive powers as well. I'll let Montalk go into further detail if you want the finer points. But here a few exerts:
» Why do those running the control system even allow us access to books such as Fringe Knowledge? Don’t they have the power to truly censor us?
There are equal and greater neutral and positive forces that prevent them from having free reign to do whatever they please. Think of the referee in a soccer match, the players could easily kick his ass but that’s not the correct way to think of his role; his role is to be given a power necessary for the proper function of the game. Those running the control system are masters of their own domain, but that domain is like one half of what makes up our reality. The other half is under the jurisdiction of positive forces. Not in terms of geography, but in terms of who / what / when. In the end it comes down to us, individually, and how we use our freewill to align more with one or the other, if we use/have freewill at all.
[…]
The simpler answer to your question is that dark and light forces basically just want to help/recruit their own, and if a person goes over to the dark side out of his or her own freewill, then so be it, and vice versa. It’s not like the light forces are trying to correct every last person to be good. They know that a person who chooses darkness will come around eventually. Likewise, the dark side doesn’t try to destroy every good person if they’re doing their own thing and not rocking the boat too much. It’s just that when a person does too much to rock the boat, that equal measures are taken to try and pound him back down, but they have to act within the rules of the game (such as the telepathic persuasion) mentioned above.
http://montalk.net/about/143/e-mail-qa
tl;dr it's not worth the loosh to try to stomp out every single last bastion of the other polarity, and it's also cosmically unacceptable as both are necessary for the contrast they provide with their existence.
On 8/fringe/ I read about some kind of hidden city that wizards made where you cannot locate or enter the city if you are not at a certain level.
I think it was somewhere in the middle east.
Is that something like what you are aiming for?
>Is that something like what you are aiming for?
A place accessible to seekers, but protected from the mundanes and their worldly concerns and interventions is what we're aiming for. So, maybe.
I am interested in this city, do you have anything else on it? A name perhaps?
Are you talking about the thread on "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius", the short story by Jorge Luis Borges?
I could not find the thread but after reading a bit about this story there are some similarities.
If you linked the thread I might be able to remember more.
Found it on archive.org, but the thread is not archived, only the OP text from the catalog. Here it is:
In 1824, hundreds of intellectuals (occultist wizards) attempted to, in secret, "imagine" into reality a thought-form of an entire country, located in the middle-east and called Uqbar.
But the ambition of these men grew, and now the secret society Orbis Tertius is attempted to manifest into being an entire world called Tlön, which includes its own language, epistemologies and sciences.
Since then, objects from the supposedly fictitious country of Uqbar, and the world of Tlön have begin showing up in the "real" world, our world.
Perhaps more significantly, the ideas of Tlon, their language, and their beliefs about the nature of reality have begun to be adopted into "our" schools and belief systems.
Wikipedia claims this is all just based on fictional stories by Jorge Luis Borges, however several people have claimed to have actually been to Uqbar (apparently if you go to where it is supposedly located in the middle east while believing it is there, you will find it - see pic of map) and have even bought back artifacts from it. Mainstream historians and skeptics call these hoaxes though, and their stories have largely been scrubbed from the internet.
http://art.yale.edu/file_columns/0000/0066/borges.pdf
An exerpt from the above PDF
>One night in Lucerne or in London, in the early seventeenth century, the splendid history has its beginning. A secret and benevolent society (amongst whose members were Dalgarno and later George Berkeley) arose to invent a country.
>Its vague initial program included "hermetic studies," philanthropy and the cabala. From this first period dates the curious book by Andrea. After a few years of secret conclaves and premature syntheses it was understood that one generation was not sufficient to give articulate form to a country. They resolved that each of the masters should elect a disciple who would continue his work. This hereditary arrangement prevailed; after an interval of two centuries the persecuted fraternity sprang up again in America.
That is the thread I saw it in.
I was not sure at first because searches on the story name gave the sanitized description of it.
This thread is getting fun.
People from 8chan/bmw/ tried to summon a book about memetics. When they found it, it was written 10 years ago, with the exact same title they wanted.
Magick affecting the past (If i am not mistaken) is called Chronoretromancy.
I am unable to go to middle east, so i hope Tlön is reachable.
Part of the sigilized affirmation was a homeland in north america.
Here is one in the original text, side by side with English, in case some one cares to pick it apart further.
http://interglacial.com/~sburke/pub/Borges_-_Tlon,_Uqbar,_Orbis_Tertius.html
It's interesting…
Let's work towards a magical haven and wonderland. An area ruled by those who are not controlled by their lower mind or by parasitic thoughtforms. Somewhere people can go to learn, experience and express their own higher pursuits and interests in wisdom.
I imagine if we manage to become strong enough we can even eventually create our own physical local. Whatever that might be I'll leave up to your imaginations.
Why don't we bring our minds together to find easy ways to build up money to further goals like these? Google already pays for partnered youtube channels. It wouldnt be that hard to animate something like Spirit Science. Im not saying what SS did was helpful, but as a money making routine its damn genius. There's plenty of new age hippies who are looking for self help that doesnt even have to be that "helpful". Just spout the same garbage, hide some sigils in the background in places the subconscious mind would pick up and wala, free money.
>Partnering with the NWO
I don't believe we need to do that.
>Just spout the same garbage,
I would be totally against teaching/proliferating unsound or even sub par material.
>hide some sigils in the background in places the subconscious mind would pick up and wala, free money.
IMHO, this sounds way too STS for my tastes, especially if we're basically bullshitting people.
There are ways to get by in this modern society without much money at all. There are ways to thrive without much money. You just have to be more creative in your approach.
I have considered making a thread on minimalism tips and tricks but am unsure if that would fit on this forum.
If you want to make a well researched post/thread go for it. If it gets popular enough we may bring back the survival/self sufficiency board for the topic.
Most of us still need to live in society in some form or another. So this topic concerns us and wizardry, if even only tangentially at least until we manifest this wizard utopia.
Until there is sufficient demand for such, I'd rather keep the boards some what to a minimum, and in light of seeing as how the last /ss/ was pretty dead even from the start on freedomboard. That's why I recommended keeping it to a thread on the main board.
The standard policy, I think will serve us for further future boards, is if that thread gets really popular and we have several than reach the 750 post limit in a short amount of time, it will warrant a board for it. Else no reason to fracture the community further (at least until we got a lot more users).
This showed up on 8/int/ some time ago and I think there was a thread on it in 8/fringe/. It is somewhat related as it is a hidden world that mundanes are unlikely to stumble across.
A short summary.
OP claimed to be from a hidden underground world that had one entrance in a forbidden mountain in Bhutan. That there are many kinds of these underground labyrinths and pockets on Earth. There is sunlight and clouds in these underground places. The population is almost as high as on the surface.
It might be worth it to find such an entrance and explore it as an option for isolation from all the modern noise.
Sounds like one could either
A) Go straight to self sufficiency research - how to catch rain, grow your own food, etc. While supplementing with a self sufficiency logos/philosophy, reasoning and analysis to those interested.
However this would be to start at the very end, so I imagine only extremists or day dreamers would be interested in this communal rush to the end from the get go, as it was in the last board.
or
B) Begin with reasoning why one might wish to increase self sufficiency, or rather, why one should reduce superfluous use of resources in any form, from money to electricity to possessions. This, as per A, should include a general logos/philosophy, analysis and reasoning. That is to say, both what to do and why it is even being done, so as to interest newcomers, spark discourse set at the ground, expand the community involved instead of just "preaching to the choir", and perhaps create an air of a minimalism culture to supplement fringechan's current culture - something I imagine would benefit us all.
I imagine blogs and links like these, for example, are more important to begin with:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/02/22/getting-rich-from-zero-to-hero-in-one-blog-post/
https://alexvermeer.com/tangibles/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MealPrepSunday/
https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyItForLife/
(In order: a blog and central post about saving money, a post about removing unnecessary possessions and keep it minimalist from then on, a forum about preparing an entire week's meals on Sunday-thus saving you time and energy expenditure, a blog about buying high quality possession that should last you a lifetime)
-than something like this-
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/fundamentals-of-sustainable-living.html
if the goal is to
-if B) is chosen over A).
I will make these threads and posts myself within coming weeks if none take this up themselves. Further resources should be posted by me, and I'm sure others, if this does kick up.
This is great! I am already working with a peer-driven magical Academy; our current home is a network of Telegram channels, but we will continue to explore other/better options including eventual physical premesis. If anyone is interested in peering our schools please contact me on telegram: http://telegram.me/deicidus. We have org-to-org peering #handshakeprotocols in development already for the growing coalescence of the alchemical society :-).
Heh, I was in that thread. There are some good arguments against it in there, especially from Slovenia. I don't think it was real. There were a LOT of ruses and 'non-existant country threads' on 8/int/.
I found this pattern, it amplifies what you place within it's field. I though it a noble and worthy thing to leave here. It was made for overlaying over a psychic image, however this works too.
Blessed be this, our home, our sanctuary, our desire. Be it so that through it enlightenment is brought to many and unity to those who seek. In the name of love we create and live our homeland.
Any wizards in the USA who want to travel and do magic together FULL TIME, email me.
Once the wizard homeland is manifested, our group could travel there.
You do not need money.
Just need a backpack, basic equipment, and the will to do magic.
If anyone wants to discuss this at all, email me.
Wasn't there didi who wanted to create a siddhi dojo or something in Canada?
I can't find the paste bin where everything was logged, but it was a big experiment on halfchan's /x/ that involved aping and manifesting an island the size of Australia. It went wrong somehow but I can't remember what exactly happened.
It's really a shame because it held interesting information, if anyone has a copy of the threads or an archive (this happened a few years ago) I would really appreciate it.
Hey everyone, my first time posting to this particular chan. I was drawn in by this thread and wanted to share some information and an invitation of sorts.
I'm also a wizard and have been looking for a group to practice with since I moved recently. It's a long story, but an interesting series of synchronicities lead me to moving back to a place that I used to live once before years ago. When I lived here before, I was mostly a mundane, but I moved away for a while, got really into the occult, then have come back. Since coming back, I've realized just how magickal this place is without having realized it before. But I really haven't found that many people that are into the occult out here, just a handful. I think though, that the area I'm in could be a good fit for what you are looking for in a wizards homeland.
While I don't have a place for all of you wizards to come to, I would like to invite you to consider coming to the Humboldt area in California. There are a million things that could be said about it, but for those of you that don't know of this place, let me tell you a few things about it.
It's extremely beautiful, many redwoods, some of the biggest in the world even. Lots of wildlife and natural fauna.
Land can be cheap (depending on where you are) and you could buy up a large parcel of land for not too much, as long as you are a ways away from everything else, but this is kind of what we would want anyway.
You can grow lots of stuff out here, the land is incredibly fertile and the climate is pretty good.
It's very easy to get set up to be self sustaining out here, many people are and there are plenty of resources for that out here as well. Plenty of fresh water (usually, the recent drought has been kind of rough)
The area is extensively forested, it's not hard to get a place out here that's completely disconnected from everything else and absolutely private.
There are plenty of downsides as well, but I think overall, it would kind of be a prime place to put a wizard homeland. In fact, I would be surprised if there weren't many groups already out here. I think this would be a prime place to put some sort of a wizard commune, it could start small, but expand rapidly if people actually put a little effort into it.
I would love to travel with you guys but i'm from Brazil, far from anything and there's no way to get money out there. Anyway, blessings and good luck.
>What is magic
Also, you don't strictly need money, you need transportation/ability to travel and said appurtenances of it. It is totally possible to travel on nothing/magic.
I dunno about traveling across the sea without money.
Hitchhiking can get one across a country, but I dunno how effective magic would be crossing, say, a warzone, or a poor country. Might get you food or transport on land, but would it keep one safe?
I haven't studied bigger magic though, just vibes/energywork/manifestation/essentials.
Travel half of the world giving up everything and years of my life to encounter people that i don't know who are, don't know how will treat me…
My point was merely that it was more than possible. It need not even be in that direction or even to that end. Maybe you wanted to go to Tibet or something.
>I would love to
I'm indifferent one way or another, but just saying that I think by talking yourself out of it you're just making excuses for yourself now.
Also
>Don't know X (about Y)
Scry or meditate on it, I'm sure the answer will come to you.
I dunno what you mean by full time but I was considering traveling this summer.
>Chronoretromancy
I had no idea this was a thing. I've done this unintentionally with a few minor things. Some info that I wanted to find and when I did find it, it turned out being exactly what I wanted but quite old.
Was it created in the past or was it already there before, corresponding to my wish all along?
>517
I'm very interested in this even if I don't live in North America.
But I don't consider myself to be quite ready for it just yet.
Still I will help manifest it so that when prepared to I could travel to it.
My main field of study right now has to do with transportation ,namely that of
energetic levitation which might also help others in reaching their destinations.
I've also read a lot about self sustainable living and technologies for living off the grid.
Hemp is very important since it grows pretty quickly and has a lot of uses but
from what I read the establishment has forbidden it by grouping it with marihuana.
The US constitution is actually written on hemp and it can replace a whole heap of
stuff which most people think they have to buy in order to be able to lead a good life.
Atmospheric water generation is something I'm very interested in but don't know much about.
Water purification and sanitation is also important. I've also read about alternative medicine.
Earthbag building is a very cheap but sturdy and durable way to build. Its easy in that
all that is needed are sturdy sacks or bags ,some claylike and some sandlike soil ,barbed wire
or something similar and maybe tools for getting the sand/clay mixture into the bags & tamped.
These structures use earth as a building material and as such have very good insulation
and have been tested to withstand fires ,floods and earthquakes. They can be almost any shape.
I have some experience with growing citrus fruits but its difficult to grow them where I've
been living for most of my life. I had a really good result with a grapefruit seed.
Raising chickens is said to be easy and its something I'd like to try. I like eggs and chicken.
I've read about eggs being that shape to generate voltage from gravity (see petrovoltaics).
There's a way to get electricity from the atmosphere by using an antenna and the ground which
could be a good electricity solution for an off the grid community. I know it works because
I've tested it myself. A voltage increases as the capacitor is charged which then discharges
to produce some current. Many capacitors discharging in parallel can produce a steady current.
I also really like the concept of 3d printing. There's something magical about seeing
one's idea getting printed out as an object ,layer by layer until it has solidified.
Glassworking seems fun too. Making vials or containers ,symbols and stained glass windows.
I found something a while back that might be of interest to any watching this thread. It is a way to live on a permaculture for almost anyone and there is lots of open space to be isolated for study and other work.
>terrafrutis
>Terra Frutis is a permaculture fruit forest and reforestation project in tropical southeast Ecuador.
Though one may want to be cautious that the land owner may some day decide that the land you worked is now up for sale and you have to leave. Another downside is that it for for vegan-fags only. This means no animal products like leather or wool.
You really could do something like this anywhere (illegally or otherwise) as there is lots of isolated forest areas in most regions, but a permaculture makes life much easier.
Can we have this in Europe please? A place with a huge collection of books, a library for studying and study rooms for rituals and group work. Natural, quiet surroundings for meditation and energy work, and a safe place for living. A campus, an academy if you will.
Something else to consider that I feel slipped past many people is that this website can be a "Wizard Homeland". That last line in the OP seems to be the cause.
Because he dosen't want to face modern problematic's head on and would prefer moving to Iceland where there are no problems and life is easy.
Can't blame him but can't endorse either.
I like to think that the fringe illuminates are somewhat more united and are actually working on group projects rather than jerking over their secret club.
The thought motivates me but the likelyhood of that being reality is very low. Surely figuring out how to fill a continent of people with patriotism and basic self preservation instincts isn't that hard, less so with the combined loosh of 10+ initiates to adepts.
>not everyone can be a wizard bro
I don't think you understand what we mean by being a 'wizard'. It is true that many people in their current lifetimes will never reach that level, but they will in the future.
To remove invaders & corruption and secure a homeland for the indigenous peoples.
>not everyone can be a wizard bro. we need to fill out the lower castes
That's not true, and if every one was a wizard we'd have magic or magically driven technology doing the more menial things for us.
>It is true that many people in their current lifetimes will never reach that level
While it may be more difficult for some than others due to past life predispositions it is by no means impossible. One can make 1000 lifetimes of progress in a single one if they really apply themselves.
>While it may be more difficult for some than others due to past life predispositions it is by no means impossible.
I know this to be true but sometimes interaction with mundanes casts a dark shadow of doubt over it.
Sure in theory the class clown can stop smoking pot at recess and start getting straight As if he applies himself but the drive must come from within, where there is clearly no desire to improve and grow.
Not once have I seen a teacher place a retard like that on the right path, and kids are more susceptible to external influences than fully "matured" adults. Hell even changing one's political views by presenting clear facts is still at times impossible if the mundane in question is too deeply entrenched in his or her views.
How do people like that grow and improve? Because either their growth is minuscule enough to elude my eye, or it simply doesn't exist in the majority of contemporary cases.
Other points are right on the money.
I think the combined auras of many spiritual people would cause many who seem hopeless to get their shit together.
Here's the pastebin about veelox.
Supposedly it's been cleared of the major negative entities but there's still some minor ones buzzing around the main castle.
It probably could have been a decent project if the projectors were all experienced and knew what they were doing.
Of course, because it was /x/ you had people who just started to AP, some experienced people, what really killed it though, was you would also have people who literally just started to AP like that week.
I'm no demon, but if I was, and I wqs looking for some easy loosh, Veelox was a buffet table.
It would be interesting to see if Veelox could be revived, but you would need to have some more experienced individuals to be involved, else it would quickly fall apart.
Of course, it might just be better to create a new place all together, but Veelox is just floating out there, and I think it would probably be easier to banish any entities there than creating a whole new place.
If that's even something anons want to do.
if you really want to have a secret place,
you can't have it have a name
or, it needs to have an agreed-on secret name
because if entities or mundanes or loosh vampires know its name, they can travel to it and absorb its energy, they have power over it
the more you mention this place, the less power it can have. I think the prudent thing to do would be to find those who are skilled in the arts or have a lot of loosh to share and then bring them all into a closed group. There couldn't be any children or others there to create chaos "just for the fun of it," or any other reason, it would have to be a closed meditation.
Also, you people need to stop reinforcing the reincarnation complex, it is the main reason why so many people don't learn from this life; because they are addicted to it and don't realize that this is just a learning experience and so they keep repeating this life over and over again learning nothing and even IF they learn something, they keep coming back because it's comfortable to them. "Unfinished business," they say.
I would also like to point out the absurdity in trying to create an objective point for reality warpers and other kinds of "wizards". Not all beings with the capabilities to change the "laws," of this universe are of the same mind or orientation.
Personally, I would like to get many practitioners from many different paths and philosophies and bring them together to create a unique flow of loosh. You might think this would be counter-intuitive, since there might be disagreement in the consensus. But by reaching a consensus yet having one's own method the realm can be made a lot more tangible and have a lot more facility. Having many practitioners absorbing free loosh off of sympathetic others can lead to a number of fruitful outcomes, not the least which being, as stated in the initiation of this thread, a kind of "academy," for those who might stumble upon it or those who are trying to learn more about different ways. A sage is one who knows all paths…
I was told by a psychic that that would be too much of an adventure for me right now, though I'd love to do that.
I'm a hermit and an untrustworthy person (because I don't trust anyone) no thanks.
just build the mental plane first start with images. i have some with better detail maybe?
So, if you want this to happen on the west coast, I am the one to talk to. Land, foremen, security, and production for materials is allready in my hand.
Tell me the real details and I will listen.
I am most certainly interested in communication about such. Here is my Tox: BCE9BCB5CB9F3BC9D878F6EF1D65B0291922D9385796AF4A355A91E9CDE71E75CBD30639F1DC
Else wise you can attempt to catch me/us on IRC.
I look forward to discussions regarding this.
Will do. I'm going to be pretty damn busy over the next week with business, but I will make contact soon.
I will say this though, if you guys are willing to go all in on this, and we can avoid the usual nonsensical flaws of group mentality through a desire for truth and acceptance of things as they are, with an eye on what things will be, we can probably get this going within a year's time.
Also, for anyone in the USA, don't forget about traveling by hippie! It takes forever, and duct tape (steel tie wire is nice too) is a necessity, but it's free with the right lingo.
Nonsense, the FBI doesn't fuck with fringe, that's all TV. The CIA is the one that investigates fringe.
I'm traveling so being online is quite an embitterment affair at the moment, however I will try my best to check to see if your online and/or maybe secure another alternative option once the first level handshaking is completed.
A physical homeland would be nice to save /fringe/goers from being NEET until they need to get a shitty job to fund themselves, but it'd also be an insane amount or work. A dozen people (at most how many people would be willing to sacrifice what they have to start a new city specifically for /fringe/goers) would be enough to live off the land and camp, but to start agriculture and other time consuming necessities would be very distracting from magick work, and most people would be spending ~2 years of their lives just trying to live before living is no longer a worry. And lots of people have very specific diets (fruitarianism, raw vegan) and other necessities that would be very hard to cater to in a very small community. You would need to bring enough food to not starve, and make farms that are self sufficient. And if these don't include animals, they would take a very long time to grow.
A physical place sounds great, but not plausible. Most people that studied magick in the past were protected by colleges/empires or devoted themselves to monasteries or similar places. There is really no modern way to do this besides being NEET, but that is either leeching off of society under false pretenses (which one should not be proud of doing) or leeching off of a loved one. Not even a vagabond lifestyle is possible as they must spend lots of their time just trying to stay alive.
Anyway, here's a question that's not magick related and thus I won't post it in the question thread: What does /fringe/ do for a living? Working mundanely under a boss is counterproductive to my positive energy and desire for self control, and passive income exists for very few. I would write books on magickal topics but unfortunately making a living on books is near impossible and I would feel terrible for charging for knowledge.
I work for myself. I am a craftsman in simplest terms. I make things. I carve, sculpt, paint, weld, craft herbal concoctions and brew magic potions, make pipes out of clay (not ceramic, more like Adobe) and even make ritual tools, rune sets, and whatever the fuck else I may be commissioned for. At the moment, I am even expanding into making bodyarmor and signet rings.
Make things, grow things, be genuinely productive. You don't need a fucking boss.
Just gonna chime in here and say that sounds like it.
The city was in a desert, or the middle east. As well as multiple seekers working together to manifest the place as a thought-form.
By the way, isn't the intention to create, then to build a homestead not the same as manifestation?
It's just energy and time based on ability.
Funfact, this has been the overall goal of the journey that brought me here tonight. I've got several friends interested in moving out into the country and starting a homestead outside of this hot as hell city. Obviously right now we're caught up in our lives, what with work and relationships and such, but awareness is the key.
More and more we're all keeping an ear to the ground. Some have even shown an interest in alchemy.
We're learning different styles of self-defense and most know how to handle a sword.
One family that's interested gardens, and grow in the desert.
Personally, I'm committed to farming, aw well as teaching myself ninjutsu for it's beautiful utilitarian applications.
>but that is either leeching off of society under false pretenses
What are the false pretenses? The way I see it society owe me, not the other way around. Mandatory schooling in subjects that are contrary to my beliefs and completely useless for means of survival, bombarding me with lifestyle propaganda and harrassing me with modern culture constantly - all this builds up an increasing debt they should pay me back.
All that said I do work with something I'm interested in. In the future some things will still be needed under the correct culture, those are what I plan on learning.
To go on about being NEET to do magick, this is the wrong perspective in my opinion. I wouldn't have a job unless I had applied, forcefully, all the /fringe/ skills I have in the most ruthless manner. Those on the opposing side use it all the time, you can't expect to use mundane means and get somewhere at all without accepting the current leadership. They only understand the one language - I'll let you guess what that is.
This is why the "industrial scale" type of magic is needed, it's what you are up against.
That is certainly interesting, but can you really live off that? I have considered running a store for similar and living in it, but even then can you make the several tens of thousands of dollars required to live and fund yourself?
Best of luck, may we cross paths someday.
But you do not take money from the people who indoctrinated you. You do not take money from those who lined the media with propaganda. You take it from the hard working mundanes who, while wasting their lives, are still here to learn and live just like us. I do not see them as enemies, or people who must suffer. They just think differently.
There is no "us" versus "them". Yes, there are people who basically control everything. But they are irrelevant to our greater mission, which is the ascension of the self. I have no interest in joining in the mundane game of "work until you fall into place" and using magick to "fight back". I do not wish to play at all.
I want to take what pleasantries I can get without devoting my life to a meaningless cause of mundane work. This is what magick can help me do, avoid playing the game while not losing opportunities. Imagine if you could place yourself physically somewhere else in the world, instead of having to work for the faceless beast that is society to get the fake currency that permits you to be on their transportation. I don't want to rely on anything anymore,.
>You take it from the hard working mundanes who, while wasting their lives, are still here to learn and live just like us. I do not see them as enemies, or people who must suffer. They just think differently.
If they are somehow innocent when they are the ones who made money while abusing me, sure.. But in the bigger picture the only thing I can do is to gather what skills, experiences and funds I can, from anyone. When I reach outside of this I can compensate those who lost too much. Not reaching out there would mean noone gains anything, not me and not so called innocent mundanes either.
I still need a solid platform first, other people are free to support me in this, if they want, it will be for their gain as well in the end. But this rarely happens voluntarily from their part. They will go to almost any lenght to defend the abusers, so then I can't really care about their losses.
> I do not wish to play at all.
The problem with this stance is that you do not have the choice unless you already are on the winning side. All you can do before that is running and hiding, and that is still playing the game. You need to step outside of it while you're above it, not below it.
>You need to step outside of it while you're above it, not below it.
I wanted to step out of the normal relationship game when I was below it and that didn't work.
But I think it will in not too long from now.
If you choose to step out of the game then you should be ready for a good struggle, but if you survive that struggle you will have smooth sailing and clear skies in respect to what ever game you are talking about.
>What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
I, and I'm sure, several others, still pour energy into this manifestative goal. Personally it is something quite dear to my heart and even if it takes some time, that shall not deter any one with a clear understanding of magical laws.
I do fine living off of my skills. You though, as you are, never will, for you are craven and weak, lacking any concept of the value of the labors of others nor experience of your own.
Just go die in a gutter, the world doesn't need neets leeching off f us, like you.
Are you still around? I made a email I don't mind (that much) publishing, you can contact me through that as I have yet to get any communication via Tox and am interested in getting this moving if possible.
librarian firemail cc
Everyone is about to be forced into that struggle with the return of Nemesis. It's all good, just what this world needs.
I would only form an alliance with dedicated Satanists that are near the birthplace of that religion in America.
The Noble Qur'aan 2:102
>They followed what the Shayatin (devils) gave out (falsely of the magic) in the lifetime of Sulaiman (Solomon). Sulaiman did not disbelieve, but the Shayatin (devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic and such things that came down at Babylon to the two angels, Harut and Marut, but neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, "We are only for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us)." And from these (angels) people learn that by which they cause separation between man and his wife, but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's Leave. And they learn that which harms them and profits them not. And indeed they knew that the buyers of it (magic) would have no share in the Hereafter. And how bad indeed was that for which they sold their ownselves, if they but knew.
The Noble Qur'aan 10:77
>But the magicians will never be successful.
The Noble Qur'aan 10:81
>"What you have brought is sorcery, Allah will surely make it of no effect. Verily, Allah does not set right the work of Al-Mufsidun (the evil-doers, corrupts, etc.).
Al-Goatfucker Allah and his sexboy Mo only have control over you as long as you believe in them and bend over for them 5 times a day to let em suck your energies.
No one is going to his heaven or hell, only his believers who think they deserve either one of them.
Gonna go out on a limb here and say "Project need money" and supporters are broke.
I support this notion.
Me and my friend are working on this sans-magick at the moment.
We're working on making our own business (small time construction possibly) and creating a large garden to live off of and sell for cash. My friend also does expensive spirit-trips as a Shaman to help cover.
So with gardening, his spirit-trips, and my current working (and my affluent family) we're planning to get by great. Throw some curious neets our way that work some part-time job (to pay rent) and the idea is golden.
We don't need to create a new city, just start getting fellow Seekers in your area together, and work together on passive incomes like gardening. We have self-watering bucket systems where the plants explode out of them. Look up Larry Halls if you're curious.
Worst case scenario, you guys are at least together to study magick on weekends, that's better than nothing.
We have to start somewhere.
