/fringe/ - Fringe

I'm in the making of some wet ormus now using lye and dead sea sea salt. Lets get some tips and tricks going and people can post their ratio recipes, chemicals and more.

Necessary disclaimer:

Chemicals are bad to ingest, inhale and touch. If you fail to take precautions when using dangerous chemicals, you aid in the statistics for natural selection. Also the doctor and nurse that will force you to vomit and have raging diarrhea will hate you for wasting their time when other patients need actual help. So do your chemical mixing outside, with clothes, mask, gloves and lab coat and take precaution in chemical rules.

Read safety instructions for each chemical.

Look up mixing of chemicals to get previous experiences from professionals and beginners.

Don't add water to sodium hydroxide. The sudden increase in temperature will cause a violent reaction leading to glass shatters everywhere.

Acids burn your tissue, alkaline compounds like lye water disintegrates tissue. Rinse with water for many minutes even after the point where it doesn't hurt.

That being said:

What is Ormus?

Ormus, often named ORME means (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Element or M-state element). According to alchemists, Ormus is a mix of precious metals that turn into a powder or misty liquid, which is then edible by humans and can be applied to plants and on wounds for it's effects. There are several different Ormuses in different shape such as wet, dry, white, red which are the result of different alchemical processses one may use. It can be extracted from any living thing, but most common is salts, urine and some plants but also direct extraction from gold and silver.

When tested, M-state powder or liquid have contained:

Cobalt, Nickel, Copper, Ruthenium, Rhodium, Palladium, Silver, Osmium, Iridium, Platinum, Gold and or Mercury.

When ingested the tester reports heightened senses, healing, mood change and boosted spiritual abilities. But it's crucial to know the limits of M-state and it's effect. One to two drops in water per day may boost healing and long term spiritual abilities. One teaspoon or tablespoon may induce a complete shock that is similar to LSD or DMT trips.

The problem however is that fresh Ormus have a lifespan of around 90 days and reaches it's peak effect after 4 weeks of storage. To sell Ormus in bottles past 90 days expiration have little to no effect. There's also no standardized testing agency that tests the quality of Ormus or the lethality of the bottles sold through websites. To make your own is easy but somewhat dangerous, depending on the method. The daring alchemist might learn a thing or two by doing the process self.

The good thing about Ormus however, is that the first batch you make that is still in the strong alkaline solution, may be stored for up to a year. So any Ormus that is rinsed once will start degrading.

That's the basics. Lets rev up some tips and recipes. Also general question thread for Ormus and the such.

I'm currently making wet method Ormus for my first time. I'm following the recipe off this website:

https://www.quantumbalancing.com/make_ormus.htm

The lye water and salt water solution is currently in the kitchen wrapped in foil for tomorrow.

The first failure I had is that my pH meter gave me bad readings. Mostly because I failed to use preservation liquid, calibration liquids and the manual doesn't state the proper handling to keep the glass bulb hydrated.

My distilled fridge water read at 9 pH, tap water at 7pH and warm tap at 8pH. When I put one spoon of Lye in the 100ml water, the meter read close to 12.9 pH which is close to what Lye water actually is (13-14 pH). I took the dosage syringe and added a couple of drops to the 200ml salt water solution. I barely used 1 ml of lye water to get the pH up to 10.6. I stopped at that because if the meter is reading error and I go above 10.7, I might create the crystals which are bad. But as the angel dust started forming it looked good.

I bought myself 2 calibration fluids, one cleaning fluid and one preservation fluid for the meter I'll put in bottles later and seal with the meter inside. I will calibrate the the meter every time from now on to make sure I don't go over 10.7 for the M-state solution.

Stuff I learned:

Lye water is odorless but irritating even with a gas mask. Putting lye water on soil creates a vinegar smell. Stirring and measuring pH is hard. Ended up using the pH meter to stir. pH meters degrade when used in fluids with temperature differences. pH meters degrade when dry because of salt crystals.

Salt broke down in cold water very quickly.

M-state angel dust is pretty.

EDIT:

Don't use cheap lye. Use foodgrade lye made from salt or wood and not the cheap one with mercury. Mercury poisoning is not fun, not even the mild one.

This is how pic related looked in the morning. Now that I know it works, I'll redo the process in a big beaker.

Make sure the lye isn't cheap.

There is a very old and cheap industrial process still used in the world to make sulfuric acid and lye from sodium metabisulfate. The apparatus used in this process uses liquid mercury on the bottom of the chamber, and both the end products contain mercury contaminants.

Mercury contaminants are fine when the product is to be flushed down the sewer system or dropped into a car battery, but not fine when then the intention is for ingestion by humans.

The early ormus researchers described kundalini experiences such as hearing a ringing in their ears and difficulty in socialising with common people after taking ormus powders, these are both symptoms of mercury poisoning.

Some researchers later died from liver and kidney disorders, side effects which have been blamed on taking ormus with sulphites in red wine (apparently causing the ormus metals to precipitate in their bodies), but actually liver and kidney failure are symptoms of serious mercury poisoning.

If you are going to make your own ormus for ingesting, use only food grade lye (check your asian grocery store) or use the really expensive stuff sold through chemistry suppliers. Lye from these sources is made using a much more expensive process, but which leaves no mercury contaminants.

>>4848

Yeah I've used shit lye. Thanks for saving my life.

I've had an ear ringing all morning. I drained the solution because I couldn't get it out of the glass bottle and because it was too small.

How much mercury would the fumes produce over a couple of hours?

>doing my regular random astral adventures

>get a vision of a large glass jar filled with a whitish liquid

>think it's filled with high energy cum

>come to fringechan and get pleasantry surprised

Quality thread Mossa, please don't poison yourself.

>>4852

Every beginner alchemist has to learn the hard way. I'll drink plenty of distilled water and store the lye bottle for my enemies. I've had a similar feeling to this when I was working with cooling paste for CPU fans. I think cooling paste also has mercury in it.

>Q: (L) Now, we have wondered about obtaining and taking some of this Monoatomic Gold.

A: Are you serious? How about some small helpings of arsenic, anyone?

>>4851

>How much mercury would the fumes produce over a couple of hours?

Just create an ormus trap instead??

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magtrap.htm

>Probably only 10% or less of meth cooks alchemists have any formal training in chemistry. The possibility of fires, explosions, generation of poisonous vapors and fumes is very real. Meth cooks Alchemists have been killed or severely maimed as the result of explosions or exposure to toxic chemicals during alchemical operations.

>>4836

>alkaline compounds like lye water disintegrates tissue. Rinse with water for many minutes even after the point where it doesn't hurt.

>Rinse with water

>water

Seriously?Keep a bottle of distilled white vinegar if there is any spill.

>>4858

So you quoted a Montalk forum post from Cassiopea as it was in this thread? Ironic shit posting?

There is no good or bad in the Universe, those constructs were made by the ego of man. You believe the channeling from some unknown spirit that might be part of the control system, it's like listening to the rants of Bashar.

Last 5 weeks I've been reminded by Ormus subtly everyday in some way or form. Now I'm making it to see what the fuzz is all about. But taking LSD, DMT or shrooms is so much more natural or better?

>>4862

I search for the warnings of the chemicals I use and the combinations of it with other chemicals. Problem with Chinese shit lye is that there's no mention about it being made with mercury, not even in the 15 page safety manual.

Yeah lye gets hot with water. Better to use vinegar. Instructions say to rinse with water if you get the typical explosion stain from lye in your eyes. But it also mentions that you should rinse with water for 15 minutes even though you don't feel any pain.

I made my batch again but using baking soda that was made into sodium carbonate, I used little more than a cup of salt in 2.3 liters of water in a big jar. Just after 5 minutes precipitation there was more than 2 inches of Ormus at the bottom after the thick white cloud settled.

I'm going to buy a couple of bottles and stickers to write the date on to give to people. I'm quite happy that I prevented mercury poisoning and that I threw the first lye batch away. The force is with me.

I didn't take any picture of the jar but I'll make sure to take a picture after the first rinse tomorrow.

This looks interesting, but I don't see anything fringe-related about it, it's just making a drug, right?

>>4885

Ormus is:

Not a known element from the periodic table that can be measured with a spectrograph or magnetism.

Not a drug.

Legal in all countries.

Aids in spiritual abilities and healing of the body.

There's nothing fringe-related about the philosopher's stone of the modern era but talking about succubus and porn is fringe I guess.

Keep us updated with the effects it has on you once you start ingesting it regularly!!

Thanks for the thread, OP. Good stuff.

I want to quickly mention that Aether vortexes within a pyramid shape. Putting the purest gold available inside closest to the 'kings chamber' region (upper 3rd part at the top), the gold will slowly dissolve into an oil-like, clear liquid. Eventually it'll dry into a white powder, in which some have mentioned is either ORMUS gold or the first step in creation of the Philosopher's Stone.

Make sure you face one side of the pyramid parallel to the North Star, and keep it out of all sunlight. Don't disturb the gold inside it, either. I'd check it maybe once every 2 weeks or so. The pyramid works virtually out of anything but I've had recommendations of having it out of either copper or iron, as well.

I did a few experiments with this and can answer some questions if need be, and also there needs to be an 'Alchemist' flag made!

>>4889

>There's nothing fringe-related about the philosopher's stone of the modern era but talking about succubus and porn is fringe I guess.

cheeki breeki

>>4901

>I did a few experiments with this and can answer some questions if need be

Care to share your results?

>>4901

There's an alchemist flag now. CTRL-F5 to reset browser cache and then it should appear in the list.

>>4890

Copy.

>>4901

You can put the Ormus jar inside such a pyramid to make better quality Ormus.

Is it worth it at all to buy the ones they sell on amazon?

They have good reviews.

>>4837

Seems you had a few problems with your first attemps, maybe a few due to the manual you linked us to if I am not misunderstanding. If the manual is not giving any info it should or if it is giving info it shouldn't, care to tell us what?

>>4928

Ormus has a lifespan of 90 days and a peak effect after 4 weeks after the first rinse. There's no guarantee that the Ormus you buy online is fresh when you get it.

>>4933

The manual I linked works. Using food grade lye or sodium carbonate solution following the recipe you'll get Ormus. The problem was the lye I bought. It was cheap 6 USD, Chinese shit lye and after reading the 15 page caution manual on how to not fail with it, they failed to mention the mercury method of creating the lye. Some of the fumes from the solution was released in my apartment since I did the process outside and brought it inside. This was enough for me to get the symptoms of mercury poisoning which was: ear ringing, muscles feelings strange, brain strain, not wanting to social with others, strange breathing patterns.

I went home and poured distilled water down the system and put full ventilation through the apartment. Hopefully the Ormus will help do the rest later.

OP you should probably go to the doctor if you have mercury poisoning.

>>4994

Tbh I always wondered about mercury poisoning. I mean, there is a branch of alchemy called Rasayana, it comes from India and is concerned with achieving longevity, but not through some yogic practices but through special preparation (although sometimes connected with yogic practices) and consumption of herbs, minerals and… mercury. Mercury was considered a sacred metal and through the preparation and consumption of it one was said to achieve good health and longer lifespan. I mean… how did they get the idea and why did they used it for so long? I mean if someone tells me that mercury is healthy and then eats it and dies then surely I won't believe him. The point of tradition is preserving the things that work. Either:

1. They used mercury and were dying because of it but no one thought twice about it and mentioned it in the alchemy manuals.

2. They used mercury but because of their belief in it's healing properties it was an actual cure. We believe it is a poison so now it is, mental universe and whatnot.

3. Mercury was poisoning then and now, but because of their spiritual progress they were able to heal their bodies and neutralize it.

4. The process of preparation allowed it to cure and not to kill.

What do you guys think?

>>4890

I started eating it one spoon per day. That's equal to a couple of drops pure Ormus with distilled water.

>>4994

People are so scared of the word mercury poisoning that they immediately assume worst possible scenario when people mention it. Yet for many years in western medicine we put mercury fillings in peoples' teeth and all the fish we eat contains mercury. So how about you take it down a notch and chill?

>>5011

Mercury can be converted to a substance that is non-toxic, but it's a too big of a hassle to do so.

In the picture related you can see one of the 4 bottles of Ormus I got. Total amount of Ormus was less than a quarter liter. Diluted with distilled water It comes in around 1 liter of Ormus with water.

I'm going to take one spoon of the solution every morning and then write a report. On Monday I'm also going to prepare the rest of the salt for that week.

I tasted the batch every rinse. First solution was salty and tasted washing soda (obviously). First rinse tasted sea water. Second rinse tasted like when you add too much salt in pasta boil water. Third rinse was almost unnoticeable.

Have any studies of ormus been conducted?

Considering buying half a dozen lab mice and doing a controlled study.

>>5016

Notice any changes in yourself yet?

>>5026

The internal cosmos got a whole lap and the energy collected in the root chakra. I remember more clearly my goal and what I'm working for.

When I was at a road deciding what I wanted to do, I had to stand there for a good 4 minutes. Normally I'd just go with one or the other but this time it was different.

I don't feel that I need to eat food like I used to. The desires for food has somewhat diminished.

Had a dream yesterday where I could read actual text. Normally, text becomes gibberish in the dream but I could read it clearly.

This morning I had a dream about a big planet coming to Earth, like Nibiru. The general idea of the dream was that it was going to kill us.

I've noticed an increased sensitivity to electromagnetic fields from electrical devices. I don't like using my cellphone on my ear anymore. The LED screens are somewhat more irritating than before.

Memories surfaced from my past and I had to go talk to my inner child. I believe I'm going through something similar to death. Dying of the old ways.

>>5086

>I believe I'm going through something similar to death.

Maybe you should get a urine test at the doctor, you might be actually dying of mercury poisoning.

>>5090

I told you the first time and now I'm telling you the second time, in short: bugger off. Half life of mercury in the brain is 20 years. In 1 week I've effectively reduced the symptoms just by drinking distilled water alone. All your posts are cancer, you should go check up on it with a doctor that will give you some pills.

>>5086

Root yourself in reality.

dying in life is a procces of the enligmentm.

I really hope you want this becose there's is no coming back .

>>5140

Believe what you want, do what you will.

Immortality is agelessness, not bulletproof. The day I die is the day I can look back at what I've done and see that it mattered.

I really liked this thread, fringe experiments like this interest me. The most I've done with material experiments was make colloidal silver and some simple devices from old books. We've never had money, so that's as far as I could go. But I'm soon to have more free time once I finish college, really itching to get back into fringe stuff.

I couldn't even tell if the colloidal silver had any real effect on me. I have to get more silver and try larger doses.

Do you have anything else in mind you plan to try after this?

>>5178

Colloidal silver is a medicine that you use when you need it, not as a spiritually enhancing substance.

How Colloidal silver works is that it binds to the food that bacteria and virus thrives on, effectively killing bacteria and viruses. But since the silver is good at killing bacteria, it also kills the good bacteria in the gut and after drinking the solution, you should compensate by drinking Yogurt with bacteria.

I'm planning on making the Ormus into white powder but I'm currently looking around for a method that can turn the wet Ormus into dry. It looks like it can be shimmered into powder after 2nd rinsing but I wonder how much milk of magnesia is left in the powder if I do so.

Another guy on Youtube goes to even more length to clean his Ormus by lowering the pH to 1 and removing the yellow slug, something other guides fail to mention.

>>4910

Sure.

Already mentioned in my first post of my results with gold. Specifically I kept a small-ish (7 or 8 inch tall Copper pyramid) inside my closet and covered with a dark blanket away from light. I did earlier say you need to face on side of the pyramid parallel to the North Star, but this is different for everyone depending on where they live. Luckily I found a good website that can help with that:

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag-web/#declination

and

http://educate-yourself.org/pyr/howtobuildpyramid05sep11.shtml

The second link will teach you how to use the first link.

I checked my gold coin in 3 days and it did have an oil-like, perfumey material layered on top of it. I ended up even tasting a very small amount as well which was similar to a fruit. After that, I may have disturbed the process in some way and didn't have more results; though I'm thinking it depends on the electric and magnetic fluids of the alchemist in order to work, so with that being said, keep your mind on God and meditate frequently.

Another result I had was a simple water experiment using two identical glasses of water. One was outside the pyramid as the control. Within one day, bubbles of oxygen naturally occurred, but they way they were aligned in each glass were drastically different. The pyramid-water had thousands of tiny bubbles all in a straight line in the middle of the glass; no variation of bubbles anywhere - only in this line. The control glass had these bubbles everywhere which was a more chaotic and random make-up of bubbles.

I did that experiment many times and each time that was the result. My guess is that Aether flows within the pyramid which causes the oxygen in the water to align, as if it's being pushed downward. The pyramid water also had a slightly different taste and texture compared to the control water.

Hope this gives some insight, Anon.

>>5231

I made myself a metal pyramid to see how it works, though I think welding it will be better than leaving elastic adhesive tape connecting the parts.

>>5275

I've read that virtually any pyramid will work, just with differing degrees of how well the aether vortexes. I do know Middle-Age alchemical literature always mentions copper and iron, though I found someone said building one out of cardboard works too.

Going further, you can even print out a 2D image of a pyramid, and the aether will vortex on that in a 3D space as well. I personally didn't have too much success with that one, though. Someone made a basic 2D image of multiple pyramids stacked on top of each other and claimed it had an effect on a glass of water he was experimenting with.

Remember - and I can't stress this enough - one side of the pyramid MUST be parallel to the North Star, and out of sunlight. Though, for shits and giggles, maybe try an experiment to see any changes if it's not aligned that way.

Thanks, I will do the tests asap.

>>4944

I see. Thanks. You said "mercury method of creating the lye". Did you mean "correct" or something to that effect by "mercury", or did you mean what you said? If you did, then what is the "mercury method of creating the lye"?

>>5641

http://www.worldofchemicals.com/403/chemistry-articles/sodium-hydroxide-caustic-soda-lye-modern-manufacturing-methods.html

reminds of this

https://sites.google.com/site/delawareteasociety/yoked-to-earth-a-treatise-on-corpse-demons-and-bigu

with regard to mercury/cinnabar, may be something to it!

this is hogwash

Ugh! Enough is enough people. You want the real secret of mercury, the element?

It is a SOLVENT! It extracts things! That is why all the alchemists had it in their labs. That is what it is for, and like fuk they'd tell that to the normies who would steal their recipes and instead just got muercury poisoning when they'd fuck up their stolen recipes.

It is used to make other things, and extract them. It even dissolves solid fucking GOLD.

Ok, after reading the thread… Why not just use shilajit?

>>5916

You're just trying to keep the secrets of alchemy to yourself. It wont work here.

>>5931

Shill :p

Yet another post about mercury toxicity:

Mercury exposure and subsequent toxicity is indeed incredibly dangerous but it can be swiftly eliminated from your body. Damage can be minimized - can. Drinking water is crucial and the general idea is that if your body is properly excreting waste, it will eventually excrete it but not before mercury has already moved through your body and shattered cell membranes along the way. The most famous example of mercury damage is neurological but oddly enough, the damage mercury does to your body is more subtle. Mercury has to bind to zinc and other minerals in order to cross the blood-brain barrier and that's when it will wreak havoc. Children and adolescents accrue greater damage from mercury toxicity because of their developing brains while adults can sustain damage yet recovery for all is based on a lot of factors.

So what is the best way to recover from mercury poisoning? Steps to take:

> Preparation

If you know you're going to be handling harmful chemicals like mercury, you should prepare the body by boosting your glutathione levels; ingest milk thistle, consume healthy sources of glycine & cysteine & B vitamins. Note: B-vitamins come after everything else. A diet high in sulfur and natural enzyme sources does well even when not dealing with heavy metals, but sulfur is your best ally during this.

> Elimination

This is where your preparation pays off. Mercury will bind to many nutrients in your body and the more you consumed beforehand, the better. Drink lots of pure water. Mercury's half-life is 40 days but you don't want it to take anywhere nearly that long to leave your body. That would be retarded.

> Recuperation

Technically, the recuperation begins during the elimination step. If you are experiencing inflammation, that's expected; yet, you now have to treat inflammation while detoxing. Astaxanthin is one of the most powerful natural anti-inflammatory nutrients. Everything comes second to its effectiveness but it certainly does help. Replenish your lost nutrients. Keep drinking water. Balance your water drinking so as to not rid yourself of helpful electrolytes.

For a more detailed explanation, refer to this article:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/01/13/mercury-detoxification-protocol.aspx

I sure hope mercola survives the onslaught of natural medicine doctors that are literally getting assassinated in droves. He's been in the game so long that I can't think of a world without him and the network he's built.

>>6158

It's been 1 month since I was exposed and I still have ear ringing every day.

I expect it to go away the next 3 months as I continue my journey but it's amazing how little information there is about mercury in products.

The poison information central in my country do not know of any trace elements of mercury in either lye nor cooling paste. Ingestion of such products is lethal.

>>6158

Enjoy your lobotomy. It doesn't need to cross the blood brain barrier to fuck your shit up. Mercuric compounds are also more readily absorbed than plain mercury, so you're out of your mind.

Just don't do it kids.

Look up survivors if you have doubts. Their bodies get fucking destroyed.

>>6167

Is your ear ringing like tinnitus, where you can still hear as normal but with near-constant ringing, or is it the kind that causes partial or total deafness while it's going on?

Also, if anyone looking at this wants to get lye without the worry of the mercury process, wood lye (potassium hydroxide) can be obtained by dissolving white wood ashes into water, filtering through a coffee filter, evaporating the water, and collecting the residue. This process is described in more detail in Bartlett's "Real Alchemy" (I'll hook you guys up with a PDF once I get my PC back if there's any interest.) Wood lye is a bit milder but you can control the extraction process yourself, and if you've got a fruit tree in your yard, it's free!

>>7644

When I forget about it I don't hear it. But when I sit down I hear it. It's gotten less intense over a couple of weeks.

>>4883

>But taking LSD, DMT or shrooms is so much more natural or better?

They are definitely much less toxic than the heavy metals you mentioned in the OP.

>>4890

This, I am very interested.

>>5086

>When I was at a road deciding what I wanted to do, I had to stand there for a good 4 minutes

>I don't feel that I need to eat food like I used to. The desires for food has somewhat diminished.

>The LED screens are somewhat more irritating than before.

These honestly sound like they might be caused by poisoning.

Any updates?

>>8095

>Any updates?

Only bad trolling and projection attempts.

>>8102

So you feel about the same as when you made this post >>5086 ? How about that ear ringing? Are you on the same dosage?

>>8105

Ear ringing has declined, alternatively: I've gotten used to it. I believe it's the former.

I took a long break from ormus as it took too much time for me to make. Last week I made a batch that has been standing as salt water in the sun for a month. The ormus was so tiny it reminded me of dandruff.

I also had to consider the idea that ormus is indeed a shortcut to spirituality. Whether or not it's worth the shortcut or if the concept of shortcuts is null.

I have a bottle of more than one cup of ormus mixed with two cups of water in a bottle. I will drink it when I am ready for the shift.

14 parts distilled aerated water charged with energy of all four elements combined as described in IIH

3 parts colloidal gold

2 parts colloidal silver

1 parts colloidal copper

1 parts colloidal platinum

1 parts colloidal iridium

Drink daily, prepare for mad gains my friends.

Forgot to mention

Infuse the colloidal gold with fire

Infuse the colloidal silver with water

Infuse the colloidal copper with earth

Infuse the colloidal platinum and iridium with air

Mix first the colloidals in a container either of quartz, solid copper, solid silver, or solid gold focusing on the merging of their elements. Once you believe the mixture is sufficiently balanced transfer it to the vessel from which you will drink, pour the prepared water into the vessel slowly and add as much balanced energy to the final solution. It would be preferable in my opinion to do the process under a noon sun or full moon within the magician's circle with at least the chest bare of clothing.

>>4901

>I want to quickly mention that Aether vortexes within a pyramid shape.

Curious that you mention it, apparently water frozen with an orgonite over it (basically solidifed resin with an half/half iron/and/or magnets shavings with common sand quartz) makes the form of a vortex - sometimes with the vortex center not even frozen. And the best form for an orgonite is conical/pyramidal. A person meditating to gather energy also might look the same.

Aether, orgone, ki, etc…We might be onto something important here.

>>8925

>>8923

Those are most trace minerals in the body, common science says it has no idea what they do on the body. I say they might make the body a proper conductor for ether my friends.

>you now realise we are chemically castrated from attaining proper spiritual capacity

>>4884

So sodium carbonate makes a decent lye substitute? How far have you tested this?

>>9739

No it does not "make a decent substitute", sodium carbonate is the traditional reagent used in alchemial work not sodium hydroxide.

The guide Mossa linked using sodium hydroxide is patently wrong. But using average store baking soda made into sodium carbonate like he did is also bad because common baking soda is processed with alumnium. Lab grade sodium carbonate costs like $10 a pound, just buy some sodium carbonate, and either food grade acetic acid (preferable) or distilled vinegar. I don't know why most people say to use sodium hydroxide when it has a ph of 14, carbonate has a ph of 11.6, and the goal ph for ormus is 10.5.

>>9739

Sodium carbonate made from baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) in your own oven works fine instead of lye.

>>9763

Sodium Hydroxide was deemed unsafe for consumption. The cheap version contains mercury traces because they use mercury in the cheap process. I did get light poisoning from it when I used the caustic soda and I didn't even drink the batch containing it.

When you work with the ingredients in these recipes, you have to research each and every one of them. Even using sea salt is bad because once it goes over 10.5 pH the toxic metals come out.

If you want to make clean ormus you have to go some steps further where you lower the pH and siphon out the gook. I didn't react too bad from the milk of magnesia so I was fine.

>>9619

Testing this out, I'll post results tomorrow.

Thanks anon.