/fringe/ - Fringe

How is physical immortality created?

There are some logical steps to follow:

>Removal of Death is the goal

>Analysing what Death is may be necessary to believe in this

For the spiritually minded, Death may simply be a demon who remove people from this plane of existence when certain criteria are met. At first glance these include the destruction of the human body. But isn't the destruction of the human body itself just a manifestation of the removal of the human soul? With no human nature, how could it look human? The body will then disintegrate.

>The following conclusion is: the soul must be bound to the body to avoid death

This in itself will prevent the destruction of the body, because a human soul while alive, must have a human form. Anything else is against the common universal agreements and no being can go against this. Trying to do so would make that being the target of everyone, making a mistake will be preyed on.

What force is strong enough to bind the soul to the body, even withstanding "death"? It is quite simply; anything that survives death.

So why can humanity survive at all? The force that makes a collective of beings survive, that is what can withstand death, this is the force that must be used to bind the soul to the body.

>Death is simply the loss of everything that makes up the inidividual as a part of this one generation (s)he was born into. The feeling of growing up and aging. The stress of having to survive until retirement. The pressure to live a happy life, finding love while still being young and healthy, and seeing the world.

Losing all of this is the meaning of Death. What remains when this is removed? Can you still imagine life without this?

If so, the possibility of immortality may exist for you.

You're an idiot.

>>4373

That's not a very kind thing to say now is it? :^)

You're right though

>>4372

>Death is simply the loss of everything that makes up the inidividual as a part of this one generation (s)he was born into

Welcome to my world. Sadly, it hasn't brought me any nearer immortality. Except of course if you remove all those things you are either left with the pursuit of the metaphysical which can indeed bring physical immortality or the empty hedonism (or depression, or both, or all of the aforementioned).

>How is physical immortality created?

The same as anything ever is. By applying some universal laws to bypass some other laws.

>But isn't the destruction of the human body itself just a manifestation of the removal of the human soul?

Soul can't be removed or changed. Soul is eternal and unchangeable. It may be semantics, but in this case it's a vital difference. It's not the soul that is removed, it's the body. Also, there is no "human soul". There is just soul.

>So why can humanity survive at all?

Because humans reproduce faster than their bodies wither and die. The same as with every lifeform on the planet.

>The force that makes a collective of beings survive, that is what can withstand death, this is the force that must be used to bind the soul to the body.

Making babies?

>Trying to do so would make that being the target of everyone, making a mistake will be preyed on.

Why?

I know of several systems that were said to produce the masters capable of being physically immortal, usually because they dedicated many lives to advancing. There is an account in Vimalananda's Aghori books of one accomplished sadhu. Nathas from the Natha sampradaya also knew many things about conquering death.

Why do you try to reinvent the wheel? Even in Western systems you can find examples of such workings. Illuminates of Thanateros had some rites enabling one to swap bodies and thus preserving yourself in this plane for whatever period of time. I've heard also of Aghoris capable of reanimating dead bodies and inserting their souls therein. It may not be "physical immortality" as in preventing the decay of your body, but the effect is similar.

The easiest method is simple healing via magic. You fix your body perpetually and it is ever healthy.

>>4372

Basically what you're saying is that the soul must have a desire to live that is stronger than death? I feel like somebody mentioned that you avoid death by doing something like that on 8ch's /fringe/ many months ago. He said when you're about to die you would give in until the last second and then you would push forth as much desire to live as possible.

>>4374

Wait, let's talk semantics here. Isn't spirit what is eternal and unchangable, with soul being a different thing more related to your physical body?

>>4376

It depends on what you are refering to.

It's all just terms.

>>4374

>The force that makes a collective of beings survive, that is what can withstand death

There is some kind of universal function here I'm getting at. I know it but it's hard to describe properly.

Why can a business keep on making profit if everything goes wrong every day? Can it?

You may consider this a kind of riddle in the sense used in zen buddhism.

>>Trying to do so would make that being the target of everyone, making a mistake will be preyed on.

>

>Why?

Because among the weak there are scheming cowards who will take advantage of such stupidity at the mere thought of it. It's the schoolyard mentality. Among the powerful they won't have someone go against the things they decided either.

This is the invisible force that makes everyone fall in line, everywhere. It works like political correctness except it's based on truth; because of this you may never notice it. "It's just the way things are."

>Making babies?

Not all that wrong, in principle. But that won't save the individual, will it?

>Why do you try to reinvent the wheel?

I'm not doing this in a forward fashion. It's already done. I'm just talking of the wheel, not inventing it. I want to know if anyone else may be interested as well.

>Soul can't be removed or changed. Soul is eternal and unchangeable. It may be semantics, but in this case it's a vital difference. It's not the soul that is removed, it's the body. Also, there is no "human soul". There is just soul.

But you are wrong. The soul will also be reborn in different forms. A human soul has human qualities and can remain on the human plane. Someone who lacks this will be a ghost of some kind or an animal.

Having human qualities is a measurement of competence and need. You're either fit to be human or society needs you to be human.

The soul itself may be anything, a cat, a dragon, a rabbit… if you have human qualities you can be human in body, not matter what kind of soul you have. It's a lot more complicated then the new age thinking.

>>4376

>Basically what you're saying is that the soul must have a desire to live that is stronger than death? I feel like somebody mentioned that you avoid death by doing something like that on 8ch's /fringe/ many months ago. He said when you're about to die you would give in until the last second and then you would push forth as much desire to live as possible.

>

I didn't see that one but it sounds "sort of" right. Giving in will have to be complete though. Only a force external to your current human life can keep you here and put you back. Maybe your desire to live will be greater than everything you consider your human life, and you can give up all these things (motivations, feelings) and really move on to an unlimited life. It's probably very rare to see this happen.

>What I'm here to talk of is the using of an external force to remain here for that critical moment until your immortal life force is formed. It's a crude old method but it does work.

>>4376

Never heard of it being used in this context.

>>4383

>Why can a business keep on making profit if everything goes wrong every day? Can it?

And what are you getting at? For humanity everything is going better and better each day (at least from purely biological point of view) since the beginning of human race. Better medicine, technology, security etc. leading to overpopulation. Humanity is a business that is making profit each day.

>You may consider this a kind of riddle in the sense used in zen buddhism.

Thanks enlightened master I will meditate on your enormous knowledge! :^)

>Because among the weak there are scheming cowards who will take advantage of such stupidity at the mere thought of it

Again, what are you getting at? It seems to me you are all talk, no substance.

>But that won't save the individual, will it?

>individual

>So why can humanity survive at all?

>humanity

You kinda lost it there.

>The soul will also be reborn in different forms

The soul will have different bodies, yes. In the other post you presented it as if it was the soul that was ripped away from body, not the other way around. You are not a body having a soul, you are a soul having a body.

>The soul itself may be anything, a cat, a dragon, a rabbit… if you have human qualities you can be human in body, not matter what kind of soul you have.

Maybe we just use different terms, but for me soul is eternal, unlimited consciousness. It isn't human, it isn't animal it doesn't have any qualities and there surely are not many kinds of souls. What you talk about are various bodies (etheric, astral, emotional etc.) but they are not eternal nor unchangeable. I think that we can all agree that soul, to be soul, must be eternal.

>It's a lot more complicated then the new age thinking.

Oh I know, that's why I detest new age thinking and have never associated myself with it. Again - what are you getting at?

Tbh you know you are a losing side in a discussion when you have to insinuate that the other party is a new ager kek

It's the same as with your previous thread - about vampires and whatever. All talk, no substance, no information, just bullshit and semantics. Want to make a proper "physical immortality" thread maybe do some research, post actual magical workings and then lets talk real magic. Because what exactly this vague shit you posted gives anyone?

Don't be a total smiley, please :c

>>4384

> All talk, no substance, no information, just bullshit and semantics. Want to make a proper "physical immortality" thread maybe do some research, post actual magical workings and then lets talk real magic. Because what exactly this vague shit you posted gives anyone?

Most of what's posted on these boards is just talk anyway. Maybe someone had some minor effects with some basic sigils but that's about it.

There's also nothing wrong with semantics. Plato based everything on it. I'm sorry but I'm a fan of his work and will keep using this stance. Words represent meaning and can control the world. If you had ever communicated with any non physical beings you'd understand how important this is.

A word may have 2 different opposing meanings in different situations or based on intonation. When dealing with a demonic entity, these meanings can be used to trap them because they can't decide which meaning you referred to.

>>4374

>Even in Western systems you can find examples of such workings. Illuminates of Thanateros had some rites enabling one to swap bodies and thus preserving yourself in this plane for whatever period of time. I've heard also of Aghoris capable of reanimating dead bodies and inserting their souls therein. It may not be "physical immortality" as in preventing the decay of your body, but the effect is similar.

>

>The easiest method is simple healing via magic. You fix your body perpetually and it is ever healthy.

Take this for example.

How is this an acceptable argument in trying to suppress the line of thought I presented?

I'm here to talk of something I factually know of, but I need to find the place (of thought) where other people understand what this means.

I can only use riddles when the thing I'm talking of is something you need to see yourself to understand.

I can refer to this as someone in zen would, because while we're on the topic of a principle I understand and someone else don't, I'm the master of that principle no matter how small it is, and it's ok for me to communicate it this way because it may be the only way to explain it.

>>4384

>>The soul will also be reborn in different forms

>

>The soul will have different bodies, yes. In the other post you presented it as if it was the soul that was ripped away from body, not the other way around. You are not a body having a soul, you are a soul having a body.

Notice that I wrote reborn, not reincarnated? A soul is reborn as another soul while not incarnatated. Getting a flesh body is external to this cycle.

>Tbh you know you are a losing side in a discussion

I'm not here to argue about being right or wrong. I have something that may benefit others (and me in return) but it requires a similar viewpoint.

So far I've found a few people on other boards but I want to try and go forward here as well. This place should be ideal, if it wasn't for all the rigid doctrines holding people back.

>do some research, post actual magical workings and then lets talk real magic

Real magic is practiced, not written down. There is nothing to gain in me writing down some stuff for someone to sit and study in their chamber when it could just be done in a few seconds if the person really understands.

If someone has the right kind of honest desire somewhere in their soul it will show during a discussion.

Of course the physical immortality means nothing in itself. It's just a base which offers time to fulfill whatever spiritual journey you are aiming at. If enlightenment of some kind isn't your goal, it's not really for you.

>physical immortality

ugh

>>4387

>If you had ever communicated with any non physical beings you'd understand how important this is

1. Why do you presume that I haven't?

2. My communication with the non-physical is like… raw emotions and intuitions. It's more like direct transference of meaning and intent, bypassing words.

>How is this an acceptable argument in trying to suppress the line of thought I presented?

I just wanted to present something about the topic and not just philosophical jerking off.

>I'm here to talk of something I factually know of, but I need to find the place (of thought) where other people understand what this means.

You fail miserably.

>I can only use riddles when the thing I'm talking of is something you need to see yourself to understand.

I know, but either you are very bad at riddles or your understanding is faulty.

>Notice that I wrote reborn, not reincarnated? A soul is reborn as another soul while not incarnatated.

So why a soul is the soul? If it gets annihilated and reborn then it's not different from the physical body. Where are you coming from with all of this? I mean, the doctrine that the soul is eternal and unchangeable is present in almost every ancient and modern spiritual system. One can also prove it for oneself in deep meditation by perceiving the very unmovable core of one's being. In my point of view your notion is absurd.

>Real magic is practiced, not written down

>proceeds to write up a thread

>If enlightenment of some kind isn't your goal, it's not really for you

>of some kind

And there I thought you can't be more vague. I wouldn't use physical immortality as something connected to enlightenment. It's just body, flesh and blood and mind. It's of physical plane and it's low. It's more like lower magic to me.

>It's just a base which offers time to fulfill whatever spiritual journey you are aiming at

Spiritual journey is not limited to one incarnation. You undergo it in all of your lifetimes. Time in this particular incarnation isn't as valuable as you think it is. If someone wants to achieve physical immortality it's either because one wants to help others progress or bind oneself further to physical and become some kind of neg entity, bound to the physical plane.

>So far I've found a few people on other boards but I want to try and go forward here as well.

You know, that kind of guru act doesn't work well on anonymous imageboards.

>>4387

>Maybe someone had some minor effects with some basic sigils but that's about it.

>If you had ever communicated with any non physical beings you'd understand how important communicating in words is.

>If enlightenment of some kind isn't your goal, physical immortality not really for you.

Cmon anon, I have no interest in physical immortality or your argument with indigo here but those points are just wrong.

Plenty of people here have achieved things that normies would describe as paranormal, yes anecdotal evidence as most magic is but I've managed to follow in the footsteps of quite a few people here.

That's just silly, you're implying that spiritual beings communicate in english or whatever earthly language of choice you use. Like indigo I've found that you can communicate with entities using non verbal means just fine, be it imagery or just raw intent or like indigo said, emotion. If you've managed to outwit demons it's because that you've set out very clear boundaries with using your words but the same could be achieved without verbally covering your ass when creating a pact.

Why would anyone be interested in immortality here is beyond me. Our spirits are already immortal and a lot of people here subscribe to the idea that after our death we'll spend some time in the astral, shedding whatever karma we've accumulated in order to later reincarnate in a time more suited to our level of spiritual development. You might want to re-read Plato's The Republic, the last part in particular where he tells a tale of the underworld, the bit where people picked their next incarnation in turns. A system like that makes physical immortality entirely redundant in my opinion but I hope you'll find a way to acquire it simply because you will it.

Best of luck.

>>4390

>So why a soul is the soul? If it gets annihilated and reborn then it's not different from the physical body. Where are you coming from with all of this? I mean, the doctrine that the soul is eternal and unchangeable is present in almost every ancient and modern spiritual system. One can also prove it for oneself in deep meditation by perceiving the very unmovable core of one's being. In my point of view your notion is absurd.

This is from my own experiences in dealing with souls/spirits and comparing to entities. The terminology is a bit confused but take a place like creepyhollows as example. All they do deals with spirits. Some people who bought stuff from them say the spirit left them. Just to try I scanned the place they are getting their stuff from, and it's all weak spirits with a pretty short lifespan. They claim to summon succubus for people and call them spirits. But those are just spirits who look that way. They are not in their final form and will sooner or later die and reform, being reborn as another kind of spirit. They are usually too weak minded to be incarnated as humans. My guess is their soul's lifespan is even shorter than a human lifetime, so they can't be allowed in here.

I've spent a long time communicating with the spirits of dead people as well. I choose to make a difference between soul as a spirit with a flesh body and a spirit as something with neither flesh body or a proper astral body. This terminology seems to be what most people use. An entity is a soul in it's final form, no longer being reborn on the spirit side and it has a stable astral body. These are really the only one's who "count" because they are not within any reincarnation cycle. While not extremely powerful they may be considered a kind of god, simply because they do not change their form during a reincarnation cycle or being reborn as a different spirit. They are able to build up something that will last, and reaching this state should be a goal for anyone seeking enlightenment.

>Spiritual journey is not limited to one incarnation. You undergo it in all of your lifetimes.

Then why do taoists and yogis try to prolong their lifetime? Because once you know what your goal is you don't want to die and lose your awareness. Next time you may be an animal or you may be reborn in a place where any such path isn't possible. You can't know you will have a 2nd chance.

>You know, that kind of guru act doesn't work well on anonymous imageboards.

I don't identify anyone, I just send what is necessary to them if I find someone with the right mentality.

If it worked we'll surely see each other sometime in the future, you know?

>>4392

>This is from my own experiences in dealing with souls/spirits and comparing to entities. The terminology is etc.

In my point of view you are speaking of astral bodies, not of the soul. And now you also introduce the new term "spirit". Care to explain what you mean by that?

also

>seeks enlightenment

>believes in the perceived duality

>Then why do taoists and yogis try to prolong their lifetime?

>If someone wants to achieve physical immortality it's either because one wants to help others progress

>Next time you may be an animal or you may be reborn in a place where any such path isn't possible

>implying that reincarnation is random and not governed by the karmic laws

Every incarnation contains lessons needed to you on your journey. You can't reincarnate as an ant right after you were incarnated as a yogic master. Karmic laws are just "law of attraction" or stuff like that. If in one incarnation you are dedicated to pursuit of metaphysical then you are sure to be able to continue this path in the next (unless you have unresolved karmic debts or stuff like that then you may have to do that first). It's not random or outside ours influence.

>If it worked we'll surely see each other sometime in the future, you know?

Cool, I'll bring weed.

>>4391

>That's just silly, you're implying that spiritual beings communicate in english or whatever earthly language of choice you use.

Whatever takes place in the underworld in particular is often pretty reliant on english today, because a lot of people speak it. I don't know what you think of this kind of thing, but I watched some christian youtuber going throught the lyrics of some Micheal Jackson songs. It was interesting because he brought up lines I've been trying to make out the meaning of myself.

The vid took a close look at some of MJ's movements in combination with the lyrics and made the argument he is performing a spell on stage.

Once it's pointed out it becomes clear a lot of the texts are references to bible quotes - in english. Those words are limiting the demons and of course they want to attack those words and counter them in the same language they were spread.

There are also local versions. Some psalms written in my native language have some lines that sounds like some other things if spoken sloppily. Some of those lines have become a kind of inside jokes.

But I found one of them to have a real meaning relating to something occult. It was a reference to "safe shrimps." Complete nonsense, but… do you understand the meaning of this pic.

I know it's not a shrimp but the form is similar, and the meaning when placed in context really is something deep.

>>4395

I suppose you're right, while the McDonalds jingle or catch phrase means nothing by itself to say, a sub saharan tribal negro, the english speakers who listen to them build up it's strength every time they hear and "properly perceive it".

I don't know enough about shrimps to decipher your riddle, Kane.

>>4394

>Every incarnation contains lessons needed to you on your journey. You can't reincarnate as an ant right after you were incarnated as a yogic master. Karmic laws are just "law of attraction" or stuff like that. If in one incarnation you are dedicated to pursuit of metaphysical then you are sure to be able to continue this path in the next (unless you have unresolved karmic debts or stuff like that then you may have to do that first). It's not random or outside ours influence.

That's all fine if you have an enlightened master arranging it for you. But how many of them have been active around here now, even in the last 100 years. Some people can't use a master-disciple arrangement for different reasons.

> And now you also introduce the new term "spirit". Care to explain what you mean by that?

I think I did.

>>4392

> I choose to make a difference between soul as a spirit with a flesh body and a spirit as something with neither flesh body or a proper astral body. This terminology seems to be what most people use.

Spirit = the simplest form, no astral body and no physical body

Soul = spirit with either astral or physical body

Entity = soul in it's final form, has an astral body and does not die, this means an entity does not incarnate into a flesh body

I know "astral body" may not be used exactly like this, but the term initially is very vague and I needed something to describe what is there. It's a body, but it isn't physical.

>>4395

That doesn't prove wrong the "emotions, intuitions, images etc" approach. Both are possible, depending on the person. Entities communicate in whatever language you expect them to.

>Whatever takes place in the underworld in particular is often pretty reliant on english today, because a lot of people speak it

Underworld?

So non-English speakers must learn English to talk to entities or at least to get the most out of it? Even to the entities which have their roots in non-English speaking tribes/cultures? That's absurd.

>psalms and feeding malevolent YHVH thoughtforms

Yh, good luck with that.

>>4397

>That's all fine if you have an enlightened master arranging it for you.

It is not to be arranged, it just happens because of the way the karmic laws work. No one needs to pull the strings in order for it to happen. I even explained so much in the fragment you quote.

>soul, spirit etc.

Fuck it, our view of the universe is so different we won't ever reach a conclusion and frankly I no longer even care.

>>4396

I don't know what specifically motivates people to repost that pic so often, but the symbol represents a place or construct very close to the home of the left handed reaper.

>>4400

Where does he live? I might visit sometime, we gonna talk about how and why Qayinist Gnosis is a steaming pile of crap.

Also, what pic?

>>4399

>So non-English speakers must learn English to talk to entities or at least to get the most out of it? Even to the entities which have their roots in non-English speaking tribes/cultures?

I don't think I said that. Local spirits speak the local language, if they use words.

The common underworld corresponding to the western world seems dominated by english tho.

It may be a difficult concept because most people have some weird "over there" mentality when talking of spirits or demons (of the underworld) in relation to the human world. When they look at us they see the same things we see around us. They want these things that we have, and they have lots of free time to obsess over all details of it, because their world lacks all the good stuff.

There are a lot of other places as well and they don't care so much about human culture because the place they live in isn't so poor. This is in my opinion the reason only malevolent things tend to want to to interact with humans. Others are too busy living their own life to care what we do over here.

>>4401

Left handed reaper is pretty friendly if you just ask nicely. He'll show you the place. I'm not really a fan but I respect his strength.

>>4400

Have you considered googling the file name you saved it as?

It's the symbol of the Nod faction from the Command and Conquer vidya series and funnily enough, their leader Kane is immortal. He's very enigmatic and generally Nod is more popular than their NATO-esque opponent, GDI. This is probably why people post it a lot.

The series went in a pretty shit direction after the 3rd game but basically his story ended with summoning advanced aliens, defeating them and then using one of their towers to "ascend" with his followers. Feel free to read into the story however you'd like. The games apart from the 4th are pretty good too.

>>4403

In the name of Kane! Peace through Power! Peace through Power!

>>4403

>It's the symbol of the Nod faction from the Command and Conquer

Yes I know, I played C&C 1 a lot back then. I just don't know why people randomly posts it in unrelated threads.

Or as I said I don't know their motivation for doing so, I can imagine something influences the spread of this symbol itself.

>People actually reply to Smiley Shillbergstien's thread.

>>4413

It really is him?

God fucking damn it, I just thought it's some random anon posting with initiate flag. Never got my diploma in Smilbergology to recognize with 100% accuracy his writing style.

Yh, I admit, the joke's on me :(

>>4413

>>4414

I'm not him.

I just picked this rank because the description matches my skill level.

I'm not very old here anyway, only posted on these boards for 1,5 years so you most likely don't know me.

>>4418

I apologize, but your writing manner had some resemblance to the way smiley's write.

I just felt that you were him.

>>4419

I've had to adapt my style when writing here or I get yelled at. In my eyes you all pretty much write the same way…

This thread's been successful enough either way. I know what I wrote was effective because I saw Indigo's energy change during the argument.

It was a bit unexpected to see it so clearly.

I was aiming to determine if anyone here was receptive to my version of this (the thread topic) but I didn't think it could provoke someone into creating their own magic so easily.

Maybe it's the result of being way too different from me and my view.

…and before you tell me I'm being vague, what I was talking of here will be clear at some point.

Removal of death means removal of life.

Internalize the cycle.

>>4420

>I saw Indigo's energy change during the argument.

I got response in the other thread giving me a thank you and a kiss and it kinda grounded me and made me smile! :) and reminded me not to get too involved in Internet arguments, it was when I wrote something like "fuck it I don't care".

I still pretty much disagree with everything you wrote, nothing changed here.

>I didn't think it could provoke someone into creating their own magic so easily.

And you were right.

>>4390

Kill me, Pete

>>4420

Say initiate-anon, are you from South America by any chance?

>>4438

Not at all. Northern Europe.

>>4372

I've found out through reading that there's multiple ways to attain different immoralities. Here's a list of a few that might help you start your research.

Most ideas of immortality assumes you are born a male man, because of the male genital energy and lack of monthly periodically blood loss, it is assumed that immortality is easier to gain as a male than female.

1. Attain the Buddhist immortality through meditation, liberation of body and astral freedom. Choose what body to reincarnate into by mastering body switching and become a full fledged Dalai Lama in the process. Take into consideration the new body's opinion of a switch.

2. Learn body switching into animals and practice "vampirism" to eventually learn how to switch into human bodies. Ignores human morality laws and ethics.

3. Slow down the physical ageing of the body by finding the optimal diet, exercise, mental practice that allows the body to sustain a whooping 100+ years with lots of effort. Eventually brings the question to the practitioner: "Is it worth torturing yourself for 100 years to live 20 years longer than average, or live life fully for 80 years while enjoying everything life has to offer by doing whatever you want?".

4. Find the philosopher's stone, the multiplying infinite energy in the blood by transmuting the mind and body to a state that allows the will to manifest any body, age or outlook it wants. The phi'sto' allows for reversal of ageing, prevention of any disease and miracles such as walking on water, living without breathing and spiritual ESP abilities.

5. Attain physical immortality without regards for the philosopher's stone. This is a state few acquire because they unknowingly creates the philosopher's stone over a long period of time without effort or consciously focusing on creating the substance known as philosopher's stone. They might be focusing on a Taoist, Buddhist or gnostic enlightenment and as a mere side product, creates the phi'sto' through dedication.

Optional additions:

A: Use nofap to allow the substance of vitality to rise in the spine in 33 months as to allow christening. This require expert knowledge of the body and the dietary system, food's ingredients and effects as well as abstaining from sexual pleasure, earthly pleasures and many different foods.

B: Use sungazing to attain an independence from food which allows any of the above methods to be attained quicker.

C: Learn Breatharianism and Pranic nourishing for the same effect as B.

D: Drink Distilled water to rinse the body of toxic minerals and mucus.

E: Find miracle food supplements like sulphur, ormus, Vitamine K12 that aid in spiritual awakening and detoxing of the boxy.

There's many ways to attain immortality, both physical and figurative. Personally I'm going for a mix of all methods to try and see which method is ethical or most giving in the long run. A body switch might be beneficial but the new body might be more damaged than your own. So perhaps physical immortality of your own body is desired.

>>4521

>Most ideas of immortality assumes you are born a male man, because of the male genital energy and lack of monthly periodically blood loss, it is assumed that immortality is easier to gain as a male than female.

Depends on the system probably, in Tantrik schools focused on physical immortality there was no such notion (also, initiation by female guru was considered more beneficial to a sadhaka, in other cases the gender makes no difference) and I've never heard of it before, despite being somewhat interested in the subject.

What do you mean by

>because of the male genital energy

Would you care to elaborate?

I can't really describe the Tantrik rituals and methods of achieving this as I'm bound by the vows of secrecy, but if someone is interested then I suggest reading up on Natha school. Kaulajnananirnaya tantra translated by Magee describes many techniques too, if you can get a hold of it.

>Drink Distilled water to rinse the body of toxic minerals and mucus.

Actually don't do that, it doesn't cleanse you of toxic minerals or whatever but it's toxic for you itself. Distilled water is so unnatural to our bodies that if you drink it then your body even produces more white blood cells temporarily. Distilled water soaks up the minerals and vitamins from your body and have wrong pH.

>>4521

Thanks for contributing!

>>4521

I've been thinking about this, and my conclusion was: Wouldn't the best way to be physically "immortal" be to heal apoptosis in the body? I could not ethically body switch, being 100+ in a dying body isn't worth it, and the philosophers stone might just be myth. But if you have the ability to see into your body and heal the dying cells, you shouldn't get random illnesses that cause people to die of "old age". And if you can halt aging, or shapeshift back to a young age, then you wouldn't need to heal yourself as often and thus - immortality without a huge burden.

here's how I think of this question. everything that is subject to origination is subject to cessation. if it has a beginning it will have an end. with this understanding, for most definitions of "you", you will certainly die. the loophole is that there's an aspect of being that is not subject to origination.

>>4522

>Would you care to elaborate?

Females looses blood monthly because of the moon's gravity and orbital period. This makes spiritual practice harder for her than men because she looses actual blood that is a heavy burden on her.

A male looses the same energy every time he ejaculates because sperm comes from blood, but a male can master abstaining from sexual desire and thus counter the loss of energy and blood.

>I'm bound by the vows of secrecy

So much for being a free being.

>Actually don't do that, it doesn't cleanse you of toxic minerals or whatever but it's toxic for you itself.

Distilled water binds with any inorganic substance in the body that should not be there. Mercury, lead, salts and more.

>Distilled water is so unnatural to our bodies that if you drink it then your body even produces more white blood cells temporarily.

Effect of distilled water

WBCs have membrane which is permeable and water can move outside and inside of the cell through special protein channels depending upon the concentration of water. Depending upon concentrations of solutes the movement of water is of three types, isotonic solutions, hypertonic solutions and hypotonic solutions. In hypotonic solution the concentration of water inside the cell is less than outside of cell, then water will move from outside to inside and cell bursts. In hypertonic solution the concentration of water is higher inside the cell than outside of the cell, then water will move from inside to outside of the cell hence cell will shrink. In isotonic solution the concentration of water inside and outside of cell is same so, cell neither shrinks nor burst[29].

http://www.ghrnet.org/index.php/JT/article/download/1340/1744

Counter argument: All cooked food that enters your food is combated by WBCs. That is why eating always leads to fatigue and anyone eating during a common cold or fever will have prolonged symptoms of sickness because of the WBCs diverted attention to the stomach rather than the sickness.

Try fasting when you get sick and see what wonders it does for your body.

>Distilled water soaks up the minerals and vitamins from your body and have wrong pH.

You come from the assumption that minerals and vitamins should be in the body in the first place. All the food humans eat today contribute to buildups of salts, minerals and toxic elements that tear down our body and change the pH of our blood to a very acidic level. The only way to coupe with modern food without suffering autoimmune diseases is to detoxify the body using alkaline pH substances such as distilled water, green vegetables, MSM and more.

>>4532

Immortality is a huge burden regardless of how you see it. It requires mastering of the senses and of the mind.

You need to realize the truth about the world, reality and the universe in order to grasp even the smallest fundamental truth about immortality. You can't reach immortality with human knowledge or a human "logical" mindset. Thinking outside the box is the whole idea.

"Life is a riddle. Solve it or die."

>>4547

load of nonsense

>>4548

>There is also nothing special about pranic nourishment - it is just the default, non-degenerate diet.

Have you achieved it yet?

death refers to the death of the body. people who try to counter this die all the same, so they turn to some other kind of non-physical or other-body immortality, which defies the original goal of keeping the original body alive indefinitely.

>>4548

little pinch of nonsense

>>4576

Amongst other things.

>>4596

>which defies the original goal of keeping the original body alive indefinitely

It won't really be a human body if it's an immortal body, simply because it's in human nature to include the opposites of life and death. Remove death and you remove life as well, individual human life. The immortal body may still look human but it must be something different, no longer connected to the limited ordinary matters related to the short lifespan.

Like someone else posted over at /x/

>if you're immortal there's no need to grow up

>no need to decide what you want to be

>you don't need a college plan, mortgage and retirement plan

You can do what you feel like for as long as you want, and if you decide you still want to do those ordinary things, you can. There's no need to rush it.

I personally think this view is one of the main reason why it is interesting. Things are better done without stress and some motivation based on experiencing as much as possible before you die. Living like that you may have all the important things checked in your list but you didn't experience anything worth to talk of in the end because you rushed throught it mindlessly.

>>4387

>I'm here to talk of something I factually know of, but I need to find the place (of thought) where other people understand what this means.

>I can only use riddles when the thing I'm talking of is something you need to see yourself to understand.

>So far I've found a few people on other boards but I want to try and go forward here as well. This place should be ideal, if it wasn't for all the rigid doctrines holding people back.

Nothing holds me back. I want to live forever. How do? Shoot.

>>4937

This thread is multi-purpose.

>find candidates for what I myself formed, and transfer this telepathically to create the actual effect in the mind of the receiver (this was my intention)

>see how the ideas are received in this community

>portray a riddle-like argument in the style of zen-riddles, which may provoke the formation of the reader's own thoughts into the material which in itself actually is beyond individual life (this was a loosely included stance, I didn't expect it to work)

Some posters here to exhibit the right kind of understanding for this to work. You're aware of the concept of thoughtforms, used in these communities? While quite broad and undefined, it does include to some degree what this is about.

If you can form in your mind, a construct strong enough to overrule your own body's cell function, there's your solution to the problem of aging, sickness, and even death.

>>4951

The way your energy changed after posting here, or after forming your reply, indicates some may have the right concept already.

It's an interesting development.

>>4951

>If you can form in your mind, a construct strong enough to overrule your own body's cell function, there's your solution to the problem of aging, sickness, and even death.

Omigod, that's something no one doing magics ever thought of! To use a servitor to heal your body? Unthinkable!

>>4957

> heal your body

There is a difference between healing and full immortality.

This was an example to use a term people here are used to and accept - that your thinking can create something or change you. The idea isn't to do some practice or ritual, participation in this thread should do the job, even a lurker who gets the right mental concept can acheive this.

Yes it's - all talk - and talking is similar to what you think, and there you have it. Creating something by words only.

Some of you may hate this example, but remember this qoute: in the beginning was the word ?

>>4959

What I don't understand is why someone would want physical immortality?

We are already immortal, as "beings of light" in our truest essence.

I guess if someone really loves Earth, they'd want to stick around without having to go through the trouble of reincarnation, but… still…

Why do you pursue it, wizard-friend?

>>4961

Not that anon, but I'd like to motivate others into learning the truth. Hopefully I can write a lot of books and maybe start some sanctuaries.

Besides, why throw away my access to this plane when there's so much to do here? Surely if I can astral project while being physically immortal, I'm the least restricted to either plane as I can be? Even though the astral is reality, I'd rather not burn my bridges and cut myself off from the physical, lest there be another 18 years of waiting until I can enjoy it again if I decide to do so.

>>4961

Because I want to do it all in one session, perfecting my mundane skills as well. If you reincarnate, you have only a limited time, around 30 years or so, to learn one profession, and you still have to worry about everthing else. There is no time for "useless" skills like arts, these things were only available to aristocrats during a short time in history.

That's one aspect. The other is the multiple enlightenment paths. A buddhist uses nirvana, meaning he dies and leaves. He gets his one position and if he wants to learn anything else he needs to go back down as a human again, forgetting everything when starting over.

I want to keep my awareness and do all of what I can in one lifetime.

>>4966

Alright, just get the fuck off your computer and go outside, NOW!

If you are still reading, hit yourself in the head, it might help.

>>4969

Stop projecting. I wrote that post in the 5 min I had after breakfast, before going to work.

>>4966

This is complete bullsht, you have no idea what nirvana is or is not. Or what buddhists do or not or even how different kinds of buddhists conceive nirvana, your cluelessness has shined throughout this thread.

You may want to shut up.

>>5028

If there were a specific difference between the true

nature of samsara and that of nirvana, then the reference to

'the way of abiding as the equalness of conditioned existence

and the state of peace' would amount to mere lip service. In-

deed, many people fall into the trap of hope and fear in fixat-

ing on nirvana as something with an independent existence

(rang-tsan-pa). There are many descriptions of the experi-

ences enjoyed in pure realms, but if you focus on the specific

details of these vast arrays and so conceive of them as some-

thing with their own independent existence, you are still con-

ceiving of phenomena as having identity.

"Ah, powerful lord of space, omnipresent vajra, you must

come to the definitive conclusion that none of the phenomena

of samsara and nirvana exist, but are all empty, and realize

their nature to be that of ineffability (med-pa)."

On that occasion I said, "Ah, my special deity (lha), excel-

lent and supreme. Although I intellectually comprehend that

samsara and nirvana are emptiness, this emptiness remains

neither beneficial nor harmful. What is the flaw in this?"

The deity replied, "Ah, spiritual one, lord of space, discern

the implication of all samsara and nirvana to be emptiness

(tong-pa-nyid). Discern emptiness to be the essence itself

(ngo-wo-nyid). Discern this same essence to be the ground of

being (zhi). Discern samsara and nirvana to be the display

(rol-pa) of that ground. Discern the common context of sam-

sara and nirvana to be that very ground (zhi-nyid).

"The reflections of stars and planets in the ocean are the

display of the ocean. Space is the matrix of the universe. The true nature of phenomena permeates and extends throughout

samsara and nirvana. Understand the nature of these meta-

phors and what they exemplify. Thus, you will become a

yogin who embraces the whole of samsara and nirvana."

With these words, he vanished.

>>4966

>The other is the multiple enlightenment paths

If you follow one path and you become enlightened, what's the point of following another path leading to the same goal?

What if you already were enlightened all this time and at this moment are talking of this enlightenment madness?

What if that is actually true and not what if's ?

>>5033

Nice addition

>>5028

Fuck off yourself.

A buddhist dies and his body's buried, that's nirvana. A taoist transforms his body and takes it with him, that's not nirvana.

I've tried taking it nice and slow because I know the amount of retards viewing these boards and getting triggered over things they can't imagine. This is the reason constructive threads are so hard to create.

I may not know all details of your delusions, but I have something most of you don't, which I'm here trying to share.

Seeing how my threads are often kept on the first page for a long time, I'd say this board would be pretty boring if I didn't post.

>>5037

Well, excuuuuse me, princess. This isn't reddit though, there is no karma for going up to the frontpage and staying there. Especially on a slowboard like this one…

It seems you still have no clue of what is nirvana though, but as you said, you have things that no one has in this thread, then go ahead, tell us how to be as good looking as you, step by step.

I am all ears.

>>5039

>This isn't reddit

I wouldn't know anything about that, I've never used it.

> there is no karma for going up to the frontpage

Karma is something negative, you know that right?

>tell us how to be as good looking as you, step by step.

Shower daily, wash and cut your hair regularly, shave, exercise; both lifting and cardio, eat a healthy diet, find positive social interactions and laugh a lot.

>>5040

Thanks meme man!

>>5040

reddit uses an upvote system to posts that they call karma.

Also, karma can be either positive or negative depending on your views of what is positive or negative, no views, no karma whatsoever all is such.

Anyhow, you have your own zen-like riddles to make, I won't bother you with actual zen.

>>5028

>>5034

>>5039

>>5042

You are speaking to a guy who don't have a clue what a concept of Maya in Buddhism is. He thought it was some another religion kek (maybe he thought about Mayan religion, Quetzalcoatl and stuff).

Don't even waste your time.

>>5056

I'm not aiming this to buddhist scholars such as yourself. If you feel offended by me not caring about the details of your religion, you should probably meditate on this. I hear buddhists are suppsed to not be upset by anything.

>>5059

Gotta get used to it, it's an imgeboard, everyone picks up on a small thing you said and tells you you are a faggot, or to go kill yourself, might want to pick up on the language, that's the way things go by here.

What you are saying is that your astral body/non physical body moves away along with your mental body/spirit at the time of death.

To not die, all you have to do is for the astral body to not go away.

That's all fine. But here is the thing. The astral body is by no means immortal, your physical body either, only your mental body containing your immortal spirit is immortal.

In the physical and astral body, there comes a point when you get old. When you do, the body isn't viable anymore, so you part away from it. If you'd be to force staying, you'd just be living in a very old and non functioning body plagued with all kinds of illnesses.

Now, you can strengthen the matrix linking the astral and the physical body,but that would be useless, since your astral body too is mortal and at a certain point in time, it will disintegrate, along with your physical body.

Now let me give you a secret that isn't a secret. In hermeticism everyone knows the maxim, as above, so below. The best way to attain physical immortality without becoming some sort of crazy ascetic is to:

1. Attain astral immortality, this means that, your astral body is not in any way affected by the four elements (the forces that compose all things) and thus, if it is not affected by those, it is not affected by decay and death, since it is only the four elements that are affected by decay.

If you die at this point, you'll be able to keep your astral body forever after death, But that's not physical immortality, yet.

2. At this point, all you have to do is strengthen the astral matrix, the bond that links your physical and astral body together. This basically means,that you are "densifying" your astral body so that it has an effect on your physical body.

3. Being imprevious to the elements, cold, heat, food, death, blows, bullets to the head, etc will not harm you.

4. ???

5. Profit

The natural question is "how do I do those things?". Hell, don't look at me like that, I ain't saying shit, even if I knew! Throughout your investigation in the world of magic and the spirit realm, you may encounter someone that is willing to teach just that. It is a long and arduous process of spiritual alchemy, but it is entirely possible. Good luck.

>>5068

In other words, you don't really want to avoid the event that we call death. What you want to be immune to is decay, death is just a consequence of change.

>>5059

Alas, I'm not a Buddhist oh you enlightened zen master with no knowledge of Eastern systems.

>>5068

>What you are saying is that your astral body/non physical body moves away along with your mental body/spirit at the time of death.

>

>To not die, all you have to do is for the astral body to not go away.

>

>That's all fine. But here is the thing. The astral body is by no means immortal, your physical body either, only your mental body containing your immortal spirit is immortal.

>

>In the physical and astral body, there comes a point when you get old. When you do, the body isn't viable anymore, so you part away from it. If you'd be to force staying, you'd just be living in a very old and non functioning body plagued with all kinds of illnesses.

What I'm talking of is a kind of godhood, even if someone looking human may not be considered a god by conventional standards.

I want to explain it as "beyond reincarnation" is the basic requirement.

I've been in contact with people who have this state. When asking them about certain details of the achievement I all got was "that's an interesting idea" and nothing more. Those who have this don't seem very aware of the function behind it either.

This is just another example, don't bash someone for being clueless of certain aspects, it may not even be important for the achievement itself.

I have a lack of terminology to explain most of what I want to talk about in this topic, the mental images are clear but there are no standard ways to express it.

The idea is to remove death by mere force, seperate death from the body and the cell function, externalize it from your being completely, transforming the cell's energy into something that stops circulating and remains constantly in a good condition.

This will correspond to what is on the "astral" side. Everything does.

The method I use can only be called "exhaustion", use something fully until it can't be used any more, then it will disappear from your life. There is no cleverness in it, just waste all the energy of the undesired function until it can't come back.

Decay is a part of death, so with death removed, no decay. With no death, the body can't be destroyed either. If someone tried to shoot such a person, maybe he would just be unable to. Maybe the thoughts of the attacker are blocked, or situations like that simply won't form.

This can explain why we see no signs of such people, every ordinary thing trying to catch them would naturally stay away, like a magnetic force keeping them at a distance.

The sum of all human desires will make a person unable to touch death willingly. Someone who moves beyind these desires would not have a reason to exercise violence against someone anymore. This leaves no possible threat to the "immortal".

>>5070

The founder of buddhism wrote nothing. All you're talking of are some concepts developed by his followers.

Concepts irrelevant to me and to this thread.

As someone using the chaos approach to magic, I can use whatever suits my needs at the moment. All that matters is I get my point across to the right people.

The criticism of critics is not interesting to me, because they are - critics.

>>5073

Are you talking about a certain state that would render death something inexistant? A certain understanding that can only be shared by those of the same view? Have you achieved such a thing? At first you talk of a state, then a method.

>I've been in contact with people who have this state. When asking them about certain details of the achievement I all got was "that's an interesting idea" and nothing more. Those who have this don't seem very aware of the function behind it either.

>The method I use can only be called "exhaustion", use something fully until it can't be used any more, then it will disappear from your life. There is no cleverness in it, just waste all the energy of the undesired function until it can't come back.

So, what is it? And what would be a way of using death except aging? Or is it by aging that you do so?

How do you "exhaust death" ?

>>5083

>So, what is it? And what would be a way of using death except aging? Or is it by aging that you do so?

>

>How do you "exhaust death" ?

There are different ways to do this, the people I have contact with have achieved this state by magical means. The origin is said to be magical, but they do not know the details. My contact with them is mostly telepathic, but they do appear on imageboards sometimes, though very rarely. Most people discard them as roleplayers, so it's safe for them to do this.

Naturally I am not dead as I'm writing this here now, but would that be a sign/proof of anything to anyone at all?

That's a rethorical question, of course it means nothing.

Exhaustion of death means to die fully, so that every particle of "death" in your being is used up. The problem is when this happens you died.. but next time when you reincarnate you do not have death included anymore.

I believe this may be what some supposed wandering immortals in history have experienced. It's a kind of occult method just the same, it does the job, it just takes advantage of the reincarnation cycle.

This was discussed in ancient greece, the topic of "the best death" or what is a meaningful death. Some boxers wanted to die in the ring as this was considered rememberable.

But of course you'd ideally want to do this with no reaincarnation, as that allows you to remember why you are in this state and you don't need to relearn everything from childhood again. You'd also have to live an entire lifetime and die naturally to do it right if you went by reincarnation.

This is where the theory of a material beyond death is untroduced, something which keeps you here, bouncing you back to life again directly.

Your own thinking and belief is also material. That's what this thread is about.

>>5084

>Your own thinking and belief is also material.

This makes sense.

>every particle of "death" in your being is used up

This makes no sense.

Death is a change, when the physical body no longer can sustain a connection to the spirit through the "astral body".

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

Can you keep trying to articulate what it is that you believe?

>>5087

>Death is a change, when the physical body no longer can sustain a connection to the spirit through the "astral body"

This is in my view just from tarot where the death card means change.

I apply a view which may seem a little "dumb", but whenever I do this it works, because the spirits/beings/anything who the magic concerns will have to interpret it based on my view. All it takes is being firm that this is the way a concept is interpreted.

If you leave it open, you're inviting external entities to interpret it the way they want, and then they'll make it into something which benefits themselves instead of you.

My view here is that "death" is simply a demon in the form of the Reaper. He will be attracted by certain qualities in a living being, and when those are removed, he will stay away.

These properties of the cells is what you want to remove, leaving only the strong and healthy part. Reincarnation itself is a cycle of birth - growing - decay - death, and you'd then want to remove decay - death from the cycle.

I find it's always easiest to use the view that things are tangible and material, no matter how they are conventionally described.

>>5084

>Exhaustion of death means to die fully, so that every particle of "death" in your being is used up. The problem is when this happens you died.. but next time when you reincarnate you do not have death included anymore.

In your thinking, you'd die to "exhaust death", incarnate again and this time there wouldn't be death?

Sages have been controlling their incarnations for thousands of years, the Dalai Lama and the other adepts of Vajrayana still do. Taoists do the same, Zen masters too, Hindus too, every tradition that has some form of incarnation has a form of control over it that can be obtained.

I've studied the mechanics of incarnation and karma through investigation and practical means, had many non physical masters teach me the subject and I'd be a liar if I said that I wouldn't know how such things are done. I hate to tell you, but death isn't something "exhaustable" or something you can choose to incarnate without. Actually, very few have any control whatsoever over their incarnation, this comes through what is commonly called enlightenment. Because the mechanics of karma and incarnation are very closely linked together, mastery and freedom over one's karma is needed for freedom and mastery over one's incarnations.

So, this "method" using the incarnation cycle, already doesn't work. Even if it somehow did, you'd need to be enlightened before attempting it. Wandering immortals have done so by an arduous training of transforming their bodies and energy channels through meditation, a LOT of it. Methods that are similar to the one that I described above, done through various different ways, but still interacting with the various principles that composes a human body (the four elements). Mastery over those principles = mastery of your body = mastery of the physical world.

If doing this with incarnation doesn't even work, what's up with the "without incarnation" method?

You'd be using your belief, will and mental strength to remove what causes death. This can work. It actually can, and has been done by Zen masters a lot. This is how they have control over their life and death. One day they wake up and say "I feel like going into paranirvana in a week or so", their students all look at their master as if he'd be a lunatic, a week later, he passes out writing some poetry, sipping tea, cross leged and saying some cryptic last words to his students. One zen master wrote a bunch of cards that he mailed to his family and friends saying "I'm departing from this world, this is my last announcement". Believe it or not, this works two ways. It wasn't some sort of clairvoyance, it's actual control of when they die. They could choose to live for ten thousand years if that was their wish.

Bodhidharma was seventy when he came from India to China, that's a LONG ass road. His body was perfectly fit to do so, he didn't feel exhausted, through control of what is such. He even thaught kung fu to an entire monastry of monks. He went on, up until he thaught Chan to the second patriarch, then he went back to india and probably (that's not sure, he might still be living, lol) passed away easily. Truth is, if you don't have anything else to do, what is the use to live? Most humans are hardwired to finish up most of what they have to do in about 80 years. Other races accomplish most of what they have to do in the natural lifespan they have. The greater the abbilities and ambitions, the more you do. The lifetime doesn't matter. It sounds very easy when said so, but it is.

However, this again, requires freedom and mastery over one's karma, what we commonly call enlightenment.

If you try to become immortal before enlightenment, you might either consider doing the opposite, or go through some serious training to master the principles of the four elements that causes change in your body.

>>5096

Basically, you can't "incarnate without death" This means you can't live, since without death would mean without the four elements, since these are the forces that decay and die. Which would mean you wouldn't have a body. What you can do is to master these four elements so that they have no influence over you. This doesn't just free you from death but everything of this world, such as cold, heat, thirst, hunger, injuries,…

>>5097

4 elements? Seriously?

>>5100

The four elemental principles, do you even hermetics ?

>>5101

You're talking about immortality, not "principles"…

>>5102

Your body is composed of the four elements, which means it acts analogously to their principles. Mastery of these principles is mastery of your body. Since these principles are the ones that compose the world of form, they are the ones susceptible to decay, death, old age,…

After mastering these forces and through rendering your body imprevious to them, as in:

>>5068

You become immortal and much more.. It's not really rocket science, have you not read the recomended reading? It's a method that's even elusively talked about in Bardon's Practice of Magical Evocation.

>>5096

>In your thinking, you'd die to "exhaust death", incarnate again and this time there wouldn't be death?

Yes, this is the hard way, but it gives you complete control because you let go of the body and was reborn in a setting most suited for a long life.

>>5096

>So, this "method" using the incarnation cycle, already doesn't work. Even if it somehow did, you'd need to be enlightened before attempting it. Wandering immortals have done so by an arduous training of transforming their bodies and energy channels through meditation, a LOT of it.

What if I told you it DOES work, but it takes 2000 years of preparations, a time in which you reincarnate just like everyone else. Again, of course this can't be proven unless you have the ability to look at another person and see all of his past lives and his current state.

You can only take my word for it and if you believe it may be real you can look for your own proof.

>>5096

>If doing this with incarnation doesn't even work, what's up with the "without incarnation" method?

>

>You'd be using your belief, will and mental strength to remove what causes death.

Yes, and perform some sort of ritual, I suppose. I'm not saying this is easily done, in fact I believe it has only been done once, maybe twice, in all of human history.

I'm not given much information about this but when I presented the question, I got this little bit send back to me

>it was first done 139000 years ago, and was passed to one disciple around 50000 years later, this is the origin of the tradition existing today

The problem with this method, if any, is that you're using the setting in your current life, which may be less ideal compared to your next life, if you were to fix everything now and reincarnate again. Maybe your genes aren't that good in this life, and if you removed the bad parts from your karma by dying, maybe you'd be in a better family next time.

>>5096

>However, this again, requires freedom and mastery over one's karma, what we commonly call enlightenment.

>

>If you try to become immortal before enlightenment, you might either consider doing the opposite

The human world is pretty low, so enlightenment to do this only here on the 3D surface isn't the same as a buddha's full enlightenment. You'd only need to be able to pay off karma in an acceptabe pace, kind of like huge corporations and banks today may be indepted up 85% of their value or something, they are talking of the upside down pyramid diagram. As long as you pay the interest and keep it functional, noone cares.

>>5107

>What if I told you it DOES work, but it takes 2000 years of preparations

This is just annoying, you'd think we could have a normal conversation here, but now you are just making shit up as you go along.

No it doesn't, everyone incarnates after they fully die for more then 2000 years, they aren't immortal. Sages have incarnated for more then that and none has had an immortal body from birth. This just doesn't exist or you and I would be immortals and the majority of humans too.

Your first method is rubbish.

Your second method requires mastery over one's karma, which is done through enlightenment. No rituals, no bullshit, no "beliefs".

>The human world is pretty low, so enlightenment to do this only here on the 3D surface isn't the same as a buddha's full enlightenment. You'd only need to be able to pay off karma in an acceptabe pace, kind of like huge corporations and banks today may be indepted up 85% of their value or something, they are talking of the upside down pyramid diagram. As long as you pay the interest and keep it functional, noone cares.

No one talked of buddha here and you are also saying random bullshit about how the buddha was somehow different from a human being when he was born and died, was susceptible to old age and sickness. I talked of Zen masters, who they too are perfect humans, down to their marrows. Then you spit nonsense about karma, as if it's some sort of good boy points system and you have to "pay back"…

Complete bullshit, both methods are flawed.

>>5111

Ok, thanks.

Not wasting more time on this conversation.

When something works and someone won't believe it and argues against it, calling it "made up along the way" there's really no point.

You can have all the theories you want, it doesn't change reality. I'm not interested in talking to people who are only here to try and discredit what I'm explaining.

Explaining - it means I'm trying to elaborate in text for other people why something already existing works. If you can't use this same view, this thread is not for you, you can't achieve anything.

Whatever. If any lurker wants to know more, contact the relevant people telepathically and they may tell you.

I'm out.

>>5112

>I'm out.

Omigod finally.

>You can have all the theories you want, it doesn't change reality.

So… you are claiming that you are only teaching something you already know and know it works, but when it comes to the immortality it's quite problematic. Unless of course you are a 1000 years old being, but I somehow doubt it.

Anyway, you are yet to post something non-bullshit on this board, give it your best next time and maybe it won't even be half as bad.

Is this the end of this horrible thread?

I still want to live forever, no matter what; without going back and forth. Wat do?

>>5485

>I still want to live forever, no matter what; without going back and forth. Wat do?

First listen to this song: >>>/loosh/743

But in seriousness, I quite liked Alpam's explanation that he posted in the questions thread: >>5154

>>5509

Thanks, will check.

>>5513

I am not sure you could provide me with a clear or correct answer but sure, I'll bite. Nothing to lose. Where do you want to tell it then, Anon?