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INTRODUCTION

"It is a mistake to consider any belief more liberated than another. It is the possibility of change which is important. Every new form of liberation is destined to eventually become another form of enslavement for most of its adherents. There is no freedom from duality on this plane of existence, but one may at least aspire to choice of duality."

-Peter J. Carroll, Liber Null and Psychonaut

"Chaosophy" is a meta-belief that all beliefs are tools for power. "Nothing is true, everything is permited" means that all possible interpretations of reality(religions, magick systems,etc.) are valid and every way of manipulating reality works as long as you belive in it.

Chaos magick primary teachings are probably familiar to most magicians. The basics of practical works are

Warning: It's very easy to get crazy with this, so do yourself a favor and don't take it too seriously

You can ask me any question on this thread. (I might take some time to answer)

>>393

FIVE MODELS OF MAGICK

A way to classify all types of magick and anything supernatural. But it's not always precise. Trying to create an explanation for an event based on each model is the best exercise to practice the chaos magick way of thinking.

>The Spirit Model

This model includes any magick that utilizes the concept of spirits or independent entities and interacts with them through various means and with individual purpose. It's used a lot. It includes gods and goddess as well as angels, demons, saints, ghosts and everything in between.

Can include: prayer, ritual, offerings, altars, mediumship, dream communications, dream magick, commanding and bartering relationships, etc.

>Energy Model

The energy model takes the view that all things in existence are made up of energy, and that energy can be directed and utilized.

Can include: psionics, chakra work, kundalini, tai chi and other martial arts, reiki, auras, etc.

>Psychological Model

Focuses on the magick as happening in the mind sphere. This model is constantly growing as our understanding of the human brain does.

Can include: meditation, trance, hypnotism, neuro-linguistic programming, use of sigils, traditional ritual, study of consciousness, etc.

>Information Model

The information model starts with the premise that all things in existence are comprised of information. Even energy itself is coded to exist. The human is not simply a processor of information, but also an active nexus of convergence between programmed existence and conscious reality manipulation.

Can include: telepathy, remote viewing, cybernetic modeling, study of memetics, study of dynamic systems, sociology, anthropology, coding, marketing, virality, etc.

>Meta Model

The Meta-Model of magick is where Chaos Magick fits nicely. It is the conscious application of any of the above models, and indeed, any established paradigm or system. Often utilizing a meta-model approach to ones own personal outlook and practice results in an idiosyncratic and eclectic belief structure peculiar to the individual. This differs from the traditional scope of eclectic magick as it allows not only synthesis between belief structures, but also a deeper, more personal internalization.

>>394

IOT

"The Pact is a vehicle for the persuit of the Great Work of magic and the pleaures and profits attendant upon this quest. The Pact also acts a psycho-historic force in the battle for the Aeon."(Peter Carrol)

Iluminate of Thanatheros (IOT) is an active international occult organization and magickal pact created by the authors of main Chaos Magick books.

The sticky mentions it but I don't particularly recommend joining them. Why?

>On the first rank you are required to study the same short book(Liber MMM), experiment and make a detailed report absolutely every day for 6 months.

>Members have to offer themselves as a shield for magickal attacks against IOT, and provide energy for them. (Non-members can actually steal "the inexhaustible sources of Chaos or the field of power of the IOT").

>Their information is limited. Everything is archived, but they won't share, not even with their own members depending on their rank.

>Other stuff that would just make the thread unecessarily big.

There are good things about them i suppose. Their huge archive looks useful. imagine a gigantic magickal diary with varied experience from multiple highly trained individuals.

And their influence over the "battle for the Aeon" looks positive.

TOUGHFORMS AND SIGILS

Sigils are viewed in Chaos Magick as a way to make your desire go to the subconcious mind where it has the power to shape reality.

There are many method of creating a sigil. The point is that it should be very hard to discover the initial intent of the sigil. Consult existing sigil for reference.

Example method 1:

>Write what you want to happen starting with "My Will is to"

>Remove repeating letters

>Make all letters on the alphabetical order.

Example method 2:

>Draw what you want to happen, a symbolic simple representation of the desired event.

>Distort it to make unrecognizable.

>Add details to make it look more "magickal"

Toughtforms are present in many magical systems. The difference on Chaos is that you can use anything, even thoughforms that weren't ever created intentionally.

Want to run faster? Summon Sonic the Hedgehog. Want to train battle on the Astral Plane? Son Goku will help. Programing test? Spock's logic will do the trick.

Simplified toughform creation guide:

>Decide shape, name, function and sigil for the toughform

>Draw the sigil anywhere, or keep its image strong on your mind.

>Give it energy.(methods include blood, orgasm, willpower, etc.)

>>396

DISCORDIANISM

You might not see an obvious strong relation to chaos fast, but Principia Discordia is a great way to learn the chaotic way of thinking.

Especially the the part of metaphysics that the book recomends you skip. And the humor helps you on not taking chaos magick too seriously.

The Church of Subgenius also has similar content.

BOOKS

Probably the best books for a begginer to magick are chaos magick books. They already are on the Library, if not they are easy to find.

I recommend them in the following order:

>Liber Null and the Psychonaut by Peter Carrol (It's full of pictures for the lazy reader)

>Liber Kaos by Peter Carrol (Extra new content)

Then only if you really want more…

>Condensed Chaos by Phil Hine

>Prime Chaos by Phil Hine.

I got questions on this meme

Can I…

>with enough practice, learn shapeshift?

>manifest any meme I want into reality?

>become a god?

>warp reality or/and distort reality?

>manifest anime?

>do basically anything?

>>612

Alright, with Chaos philosophy the answer to every quetion is Yes, No and Maybe at the same time. Chaos magick works based on beliefs wich are tools.

I am tempted to say "YES!!!", to all your questions because if you belive you can, you can.

But i will try to give a better insight on those topics

>I got questions on this meme,

Unless you are using a broad definition of "meme", meme magick =/= chaos magick

>>with enough practice, learn shapeshift?

It's not really about practice, unless practice gives you confidence, wich then shapes your own beliefs

Shapeshifting your astral body is easy and fast. You can already fo that.

You probably mean your physical body. Well yes, but considerinng the amount of time and energy that would take, you are better off just going to the gym or making a sex change surgery or whatever. Small things like changing the eye color are fairly possible

>>manifest any meme I want into reality?

That's somenthing 8chan/bmw/ does. Groups working together have a strong effect to alter reality, yet they waste it trying to bring ebola and ice age.

I can't find the print but there was a guy with name and face similar to ebin pepe, that claimed to be a transexual to be able to use women's bathroom and get laughs

Found a thumbnail here: http://archive.is/XcnxW

>>become a god?

Depends on what you mean by "god".

You are already godlike in nature, a piece of the divine creator

You will never become like for example the gods of greek pantheon, unless you convince hundreds of people to worship you.

Left Hand Path takes to some sort of goodhood.

>>warp reality or/and distort reality?

That's pretty much how all forms of magick works.

>>manifest anime?

There are already full anime worlds in the astral plane. Try sparring wirh Goku sometime.

You can make your waifu real as a tulpa.

>>do basically anything?

Well, all the things you cannot do are subconciously self imposed limitations. That is not always a bad thing. Cheat codes in videogames usually make them boring.

>>613

What can I do to remove all self imposed limitation-subconscious-beliefs?

>>616

To be fair I have been asking that same question to myself for years.

When I say "subconscious" I don't mean the type of subconcious that psychologists use to deal with traumatic events.

I mean "above" conscious level, beyond the illusion of individuality, and this 3-dimensional reality.

There is no secret formula that could be given with a short text, otherwise it woud spread like a meme and the entire planet population would start reality warping. An atomic bomb per week, rains of dick pics, and furry hybrid monstrocities.

What you can actively do now is medidate focusing on putting your mind on more positive higher frequencies to reach higher dimentions.

Maybe ask your higher self or an entity for help.

Be skeptical about the nature of reality and good luck.

>>621

Thanks, any more books regarding chaos magic? so I can try to meme something into existence?

>>613

I wanna change one of my eyes and my hair to gold.

I wonder how long that'd take/the effort involved…

>>393

I'm pretty sure changing your eyes to gold color is impossible, as it isn't a natural occuring color.

Just buy some lenses and hair dye you nigger.

>>660

>>657

>>657

I can't speak on eyes as I have not personally done it (and though I have been witness to another who has, but I can not judge how much loosh it took), I can speak on hair.

I decided it was my will that I would alter/revert my hair to the platinum blond it was when I was a young child, previous to that I had been brown for years and years.

I used a simple affirmation, "My hair is platinum blond." It went through a few different iterations as I went along, "My hair is growing and being restored to platinum blond" and then finally settling on "I am platinum blond."

I did this, not that often, but I did do it every day' at least once a day for 5-10 minuets. As I said it I would feel the energy causing my face to tingle as it altered the hair. I would also visualize it altering in color as I desired/willed as well.

As I wrote else where;

It was pretty dark brown, now parts of it are a much lighter brown and when when the light hits those parts it looks blond. Other areas are more progressed and have a wider range of 'reflecting blond' yet still others look blond no matter the lighting.

This was a slow change over quite a while, and it's still kind of a work in progress. I'm less dedicated to it now because it was partially an experiment to see if I could and how effective it would be.

This took me about 2 months to really start to notice it (where sizable parts of the hair reached the 3rd stage). I didn't put a whole lot of energy/loosh into it other than some simple/mild/crude visualizations and affirmations.

I will further comment, for me, (and note, this was before I started visualizing) it started off turning my mustache first, and then my beard. After I started visualizing it was more directed and worked on "lightening" my scalp as well.

Pic related, kind of how I looked after a while and before it started spreading further.

>>628

There are some wich I personally think are not worth reading. There already are over 400 pages on the books on >>397

The only other book I would recomend is incomplete at >>>/library/89

Yes, memetics is one of the many possible ways to do magick. "Ebola-chan" is a good example of an intentional meme magick.

>>657

>how long that'd take/the effort involved…

It would be way easier to simply buy lens and dye hair like >>660 said.

It's not 100% impossible, but I personally don't think it is worth it.

How about getting more attractive in general?

>>660

Since you believe it's impossible, it really is.

It's about thinking how it would work out.

Changing the amount of melanine prodiced is not that hard.

Materializing gold on your eyes is a bad idea, even if it works. But with enough time/effort/loosh, causing illusion on other people is plausible.

>>662

Are you admin? Are bothered that it's easy to spot you? Or that i know that it's your wife that has changed her eye color?You said it on IRC

Anyway thanks for the content. I will use the same technique for increasing gym and diet gains.

>>673

>How about getting more attractive in general?

Interested tbh

>>673

>Are you admin?

An admin, yes. And I said so in >>387

>Are bothered that it's easy to spot you?

Not really. While I do prefer anonimity, even if I didn't use a flag, my style, knowledge, longwindedness, and extensive use of commas would probbaly give me away any how.

Regarding the flag, I really like Montalk's writings, and so I believe in advertising his works as they helped me quite tremendously in putting everything together. I think they are extremely useful, insightful, and compared to many other author's, quite information dense yet very concise.

>Or that i know that it's your wife that has changed her eye color?

I'm not bothered. It's not like that is gonna some how hurt us. And even if I did need it, I have my synchronistic/magic protections if I truley did need them, but then again, I fear no-thing, neiter of this Earth nor beyond it.

Furthermore I'm not really trying to hide. I'm trying to share knowledge.

>How about getting more attractive in general?

One important thing for this is actually tong posture. Make sure it's flat against the roof of your mouth. This will slowly start to shape/alter you jawline and will also activate/connect you microcosmic orbit curcit that runs through your tung to your palet.

Furthermore you can use glamor tier magic to alter the perceptions of others or you can use manifestation tier magic to actually alter your own bodies.

If anyone cares for another anon's account: I've tried something like this before but for eyecolor, it took a while as well but it did lighten my eyes somewhat. One difference is that it was cell talking instead of affirmations, but I guess that's a style over substance preference cause it works out more or less the same with a repetitive mantra. I'll try it again with affirmations for other body stuff. I do think these kinds of changes are indeed possible from my own experience, but they take so much loosh/energy/focus/emotion/whatever that most people don't get far, and probably those who do are disinclined to show results because of (obvious) privacy concerns.

>>674

I see 3 main ways to do that:

>Change your body

>Change other's perception of yourself

>Change your destiny so that you are more likely to get people closer.

There are many ways to do all that. From simple visualization to complex rituals.

>>677

Maybe people will be biased whenever you post anything. That's bad, Maybe you should use anon flag to be invisible

>>682

We always assume that just because somenthing is hard it will take magickal effort. That is half truth.

All things you can't do are self imposed limitations. If magick requires belief then believing somenthing will take lot of effort will only make your own magick weaker.

>>691

>change your body

yep, pretty interested, I've accomplished the other two in the past by visualization alone, but this one needs something stronger

>>691

>All things you can't do are self imposed limitations. If magick requires belief then believing somenthing will take lot of effort will only make your own magick weaker.

You're right, it's just that "belief" is too abstract for me to understand how to do it, I guess, so I rely on simpler methods like visualization or mantras.

>>705

I understand completely, brother.

The concrete affirmation that this dimension is built, maintained, and reinforced by millenia of human belief and repeated conditioning of "laws" has firmly ingrained them. Our individual beliefs might seem paltry in comparison to the monster that is reality (and attempting to alter the truth of experience for another is akin to madness).

Rest assured that your truth, which is your experience is entirely yours. This is what can be altered by belief. With enough work you can extend this belief further and further as your sphere of influence expands.

>>708

Thank you Anon, it means a lot just to know someone understands, and what you say makes sense (with reality being malleable by belief and subjective experiences).

>With enough work you can extend this belief further and further as your sphere of influence expands.

What kind of work would you suggest for changing beliefs? I've mostly stuck to simple rituals before, but they haven't yielded effect and just seemed like a crutch. Seems like I'm stuck on this level where I can tell myself "Ok, now I believe x,y,z" but don't know how to actually believe it

>>734

I'll jump in. I'm completely new to this, started researching chaos magic after someone on /adv suggested it to me not three days ago.

>don't know how to actually believe it

Isn't this what sigils are for? I started working on my first sigil two days ago. I am happy with it. I bought a new notebook for magickal work yesterday. My body is ready. I feel like this is what I've always been working towards, and that I've now embraced the fact that magick is my work, even as I used to just call it 'art'.

Creating and activating images is something I've been doing more than half my life, I just believed that I had to develop a system of my own, which always brought doubt, but now I've realised that it's been magick the whole time, and I will work with sigils, or the equivalent imagery work, in all that I do. I have no doubt anymore.

So, is there some principal I'm missing?

>inb4 questioning such a thing only makes the doubt real again

But sigils work right? They can create belief in x, y, z, right?

Nice to see that my thread working fast(kinda)

It seems that most of you are focused on belief. Well, I was partially playing old wise wizard saying stuff about limitations.

Don't get me wrong. It is all true. But touching that subject is not really getting us anywhere.

Belief is not the absolute key to magick.

Those who are wise enough to unlimitedly manipulate the universe are also wise enough not to do it.

>>692

Using blood, or an " sexual bodly fluids" or working with entities that are specific to what you want to archieve can give you that power. But I warn you to never ever make blood pacts.

>>739

(Well. Belief IS very important on magick and even more on chaos, but focusing on believing you are omnipotent is not getting you anywhere.)

>>734

The Principia Discordia might help you understand the way beliefs changes and why chaos magicians are focuses on taking and discarting beliefs at will.

Philosopher Rene Descarte's famous quote "I think, therefore I am" is useful here.

The only thing you can actually believe 100% (acording to Decartes) is your own existence.

An equivalent of The Matrix movie is impossible to prove wrong. Even mathematical assumptions could hipothecially be the result of a powerful telephatic alien manipulating your mind.

But what if the logic Decartes used was also controlled by the alien? Is there somenthing we can consider the absolute Truth?

"Nothing is true".

And yet, we perform rituals and visualizations in the hopes of archieving results, as if we belived it was true.

"Everything is permited"

Changing your beliefs i not about deluding yourself. It'Is about changing perspective because one is more useful than another

.

If all you see is a bunch of random stars in the sky, what shape do they have? Beliefs are like the grids that put the stars into constellations. And the stars themselves are like all we can observe of the universe.

(See "FIVE MODELS OF MAGICK" in the beggining of thread)

Still chaoism is also a belief(a meta-belief)

>>735

What you described was the process of gaining confidence trough practice. And confidence powers belief.

>So, is there some principal I'm missing?

Since you just started 3 days ago, there is a lot you are missing.

But the basics are simple and you will master them in no time.

About beliefs themselves, don't worry about that for now. Read the "Principia Discordia" (not really magick, but helps understand beliefs) and "Liber Null and the Psychonaut."

>>739

Why should someone never make blood pacts? Why should I install that belief?

>>759

Because they are hard to undo.

>install that belief?

That is not really how belief management works.

Reality is not based only on your belief , the belief of every concious being in the universe.

>>740

>but focusing on believing you are omnipotent is not getting you anywhere

Why? the mantra "I and the creator am one" Is pretty powerful

>>784

>I and the creator am one

>pretty powerful

I can personally confirm this as well.

>>784

>>790

Sure it works.

The Book of Knowlegde calls it "The Voice of God Technique".

But you are both missing the point here (or maybe I've chosen my words unwisely).

Hard to explain, but I will try to with a question: "Is the Creator and every part of him omnipotent"? If so, since we are the creator, why don't magicians do "bigger" stuff like teleporting instead of using cars or willing your body into optimal shape instead of going to the gym?

We are but a small piece of the creator, while the "bigger" divine constiousness has decided we should have limitations like having to obey the rules of physics.

There is lot we can do with magick. Some of those limitations can be broken. Others can't so that the "game" of life can continue.

>>793

>We are but a small piece of the creator

For now, but we are growing/expanding into the ultimate. And by affirming things such as "I and the creator am one" you can (temporary) connect to or expand into a larger more ultimate state, doing this (often) accelerates growth.

>Hard to explain, but I will try to with a question: "Is the Creator and every part of him omnipotent"? If so, since we are the creator, why don't magicians do "bigger" stuff like teleporting instead of using cars or willing your body into optimal shape instead of going to the gym?

As long as you're in harmony with the rest of creation you can. But that is no short order.

>There is lot we can do with magick. Some of those limitations can be broken. Others can't so that the "game" of life can continue.

You are right, you can't collapse or otherwise compromise creation by exerting your will, which stops most folks from doing things such extreme acts of high magic. It would violate too much freewill, and so is disallowed/prevented in the majority of circumstances, or at least is shrouded by plausible deniability to preserve the integrity of existance and the possibility of growth of all.

However, as long as you are in accordance with all cosmic laws, you can act with such super human powers.

>>793

>>794

You're making a mistake, imposing all these limitations on yourselves and giving them an explanation, I'm not saying you can do absolutely anything, but your closing yourself completely off to something that could be possible by means of magick, believing in your mind that it's hard to do is a mistake too

>>796

Let me put it very simply. It would take exponentially larger amounts of loosh to do such things, ergo it's (functionally) impossible.

Now there of course volumes of details as to why. But make no mistake, I am not limiting myself nor am I trying to tell others the same, I'm trying to condense years worth of research, experience, & theory into a 1000 characters.

Since so many people here seem to be interested in shapeshifting/changing appearance, could we have a new thread for it?

>>802

As long as the rules are followed, one may create threads without asking explicitly. Why won't you start one?

>>802

sure

>>802

will you make one or should I make it?

>>806

pbbt be more decisive and do it

>>673

>Materializing gold on your eyes is a bad idea, even if it works

why?

>>872

I mean litterally inside the eye. Just think for a while.

blindness, heavy metal poisoning…

So wait, all magic theory can be useless but it also can be very useful depending on the programming in your mind about things that are possible and things that are not possible? If i want something to happen and believe it will happen, that's already enough for it happening, but if i don't believe, then i use incantations, mantras, robes, symbols etc. to make my self believe it will work?

What about spirits then? Do they jump in and out of existance depending on whether people believe in them or not? If more people believe something will happen, does it have a greater chance of happening?

>>956

>then i use incantations, mantras, robes, symbols etc. to make my self believe it will work?

Most of what you just listed do have qualities and effects on their own, regardless of belief. Not all of it is dependent solely on your belief. Robes helps with keeping your energy circulating more properly. Symbols can carry astral attachments, thought forms, energies and the likes. The same goes for mantras and incantations.

>What about spirits then? Do they jump in and out of existance depending on whether people believe in them or not?

Just as you cannot think other people out of existence, nor can you do the same with spirits. At best, you might end up ignoring and/or banishing them, cutting them off from your experience of reality.

Remember, not all of what you experience is solely dependent on you.

How I see it, chaos magick is more of an entry-level system. Like a foundation of sorts.

It contains alot of useful concepts, but don't look too deep into it as that can work against you.

>>924

>heavy metal poisoning from gold

o you chaos kids are too fun

>>958

Yeah but if i devise a wholly new ritual that suggests free choice of the robe color, will the robe color matter in the end? Magic seems just like building up insane confidence in something happening, and with the universe being mental, improbable things will happen.

>>956

>So wait, all magic theory can be useless but it also can be very useful depending on the programming in your mind about things that are possible and things that are not possible?

Almost but not really.

The belief of others also affect the results.

Some magic systems have a completely different structure that is not affect directly by belief. In most cases belief will simply slightly enchance or weaken the results.

>If i want something to happen and believe it will happen, that's already enough for it happening,

That is a basic will manisfestation technique, roughly the same as what >>662 described

It works.

>but if i don't believe, then i use incantations, mantras, robes, symbols etc. to make my self believe it will work?

All those tools are not for creating placebo effect, they have a purpose.

If you compare magick guides online to content in old books, you will see that rituals started getting more and more simplified over the years. Partially due to lazynes and the pace of content on the internet, but also because new tools were discovered; Chaos, as a new aproach to belief magick is just one of them. Cyber magick i fun too.

>What about spirits then? Do they jump in and out of existance depending on whether people believe in them or not?

If the spirit believes it exists, that is enough.

Some people don't like the guy on this video, but I think the video has a good explanation about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwnRKtxUJRQ

(With the kind of videos that is just someone talking, I recomend you watch at 1.5x the speed)

>>961

It was just an example. Would it really be gold tho? It's just 2 protons away from thallium. If think you won't miss on your first attempt of materilizing a relatively big amount of matter into thin air, go ahead.

>with the universe being mental

What you described is the information model on the "5 MODELS OF MAGICK" on the beggining of the thread. There are at least other 4 ways of aproaching magick.

>>994

Oh, so i get it. Belief may or may not influence the result according to the system. But if you do believe in something happening even after you do a ritual based in another belief system, the belief you have will also take effect? These are two separate things, they should not bother eachother?

>>995

Never mind, i got it.

How many sigils can I have active at one time and maintain their effectiveness? Do sigils need to be recast periodically? Would hiding sigils inside of memes that potentially get reposted by others make them stronger? Any way that could backfire?

I am really quite interested in illusions. It seems to call out the most to me. What teachings regarding this would you recommend?

>>1135

>>2446

>>1135

>>1730

Sorry for that empy post (problem with my keyboard) and the long delay. I almost didn't aswer, because i tough it would be relevant anymore, and maybe bumping this could be waste of evyone's time, but here I go:

>How many sigils can I have active at one time and maintain their effectiveness?

Part of the instructions of a sigil is forgting about after you charge it. If can't remenber it how are going to keep count of it? There is no limit.

>Do sigils need to be recast periodically? Like I said, forget about that sigil. Ironically it's just going to manifest itself when you let it go.

Alternatively, you could charge and and activate it every day until the desired effect occur. ( But this is not "Sigil magick")

> Would hiding sigils inside of memes that potentially get reposted by others make them stronger?

Yes. More people = more loosh.

>Any way that could backfire?

If they give a different meaning to the meme, their enenrgy would be redirected to that meaning. Take "Ebola-chan" for example: everyone knew its objective and were giving energy for that pourpuse, so maybe "hiding" would not be a good idea.

>I am really quite interested in illusions. It seems to call out the most to me. What teachings regarding this would you recommend?

Start with perceived invisibility spells. You are not really invisible but people will tend to not notice you are there.

Anything related to the holographic universe could also be useful

>>2447

what if tend to isn't reliable enough?

>>2453

About invisibility I have nothing that would be safe enough to enter women's locker room without being caught.

There are plenty of ways that you one can archieve it's goals if you are creative engough, and plenty of ways to increase a spell power.

>>2453

?

then get an invisibility cloak.

It won't work against those who are aware, but 50+% of people are unaware.

If it isn't reliable enough practice more. If that's not enough, find something else.

>>2466

Perceived invisibility spells? Any good reading on this or related subjects?

Pic somewhat related.

I read one book on Chaos Magic a few years ago and recently applied it (almost unknowingly) about a year ago. The point of manifestation was to influence the Will of someone else, whom I've never met in person (though we know each other), and lives a few thousand miles away on another continent. If you were to look at the book 'The Laws of Mental Domination' by Frank Rudolf Young, this applies heavily to that book though at the time I hadn't actually read it. Most magic overlaps in action anyway depending on the circumstances involved.

The manifestation was quite simple and had a few parts to it.

>Individual will view me sexually, and want to engage sexually with me in various ways (physically, emotional, verbal).

>Individual was to view me in a sexual way. i.e., not relationship/marriage material.

>Individual would be more keen and receptive towards sexual advances and other forms of sexual communication.

Each and every one of these did manifest. Prior to this, the individual would've (probably) never once consider any of the above mentioned in regards to me. Actually engaging in this generally unlikely as the point was mainly to see if it actually works (and I don't particularly want to intertwine myself spiritually to this individual at this moment).

I can give some advice, though I'm more apt with general usage of Hermeticism rather than Chaos.

>>3571

And these manifestations did not affect you negatively? I was under the impression that you would cause negative effects to yourself if you breached the free will of others. Or do these manifestations coincide with the feelings they'd like to feel and thus go "unpunished"?

>>3575

Honestly I've dabbled with the minds of so many people and usually for their own benefit and I haven't received any sort of retribution for breaching their free will.

I am strongly considering that Atkinson and whoever else wrote about this law were trying to scare people like him from making women sleep with him.

Also if you consider the thoughts imprinted in people by ads and stuff is causing them to behave in a certain way, like eating more McDonalds, breaching their free will then it definitely has no adverse effects. Wizards are simply skipping the middle man and go straight to the mind of the target.

>>3575

As of yet, no, they haven't. Karma always works in strange yet understandable ways, so I won't deny the possibility of a negative magic reaction occurring. Maybe something like "You can have sex now [with this person] like you desired, but this person now has herpes/HIV/STD's/high amount of partners before you."

I'm thinking that tends to be a basic occurrence with sex-manipulation. Oddly, I feel as if I'm seeing this start to occur with the individual right now.

>>2447

>perceived invisibility spells

What are the functions of these? I've seen people who most likely are using something like this. I can see the person right there, but how much I look I still can't make out their facial characteristics. I could still recognize the person by their energetic signature or simply bodily composition, but for most people I can imagine they wouldn't remember what this person looks like.

It may have to do with that I have a hard time remembering faces in general, I usually pay attention to details like shape of the nose, how their muscles move when talking, laughting etc, so when something is off like this I notice at once.

It looked like there was something "moving" my aim when looking to look at a point very far away and not at the face, while making me think I was looking at the face.

>>3571

Do you know where I can find a pdf of that Laws of Mental Domination book?

>>3821

Right here. Enjoy.

Why use a belief known to be false, a lie that is, when you could simply be free from assumptions and expectations, working as one with the current?

Is convenience worth the loss of progress and truth? :/

>>3884

but i want 2 be sex wizard. i'm hacking the matrix bro!

>>3892

No dude… You're hacking YOUR code.

>>3845

Thank you Anon !!

>>3134

I first found it on as a Wicca ritual and never got any deep into it.

I have no idea how efficient the ritual is and you might want to change it to fit your needs because it's poor translation from a another translation(it used to rhyme), but it goes somewhat as follows:

>(optional) create a physical circle around you made form anything (chalk or rocks for example)

>Close your eyes and visualize a circle of pure white light around you

>Say "Circle of light, circle of almighty power, take away my light. please return it when I command, take away my color. So mote it me"

Again, it's just a a base to make your own ritual(which is encouraged in chaos magick)

>>3571

Thank you for that book recommendation.

Could you please describe your method in detail?

>>3575

Karma would be a thread on it's own, but in short, there is no one punishing you but yourself and that happens on various levels.

As for free will, it's also a burden ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHrbeBTiO5w )

And you can only influence other people's actions because they allow it.

>>3797

>What are the functions of these?

>Be 15 yo me at school.

>stupid school checks homework and stamps my books when I don't do it.

>I make the teacher skip me by not noticing my existence.(with the spell described above)

>stupid girl notices it and warns the teacher.

On its current state, I would say only for practicing to change the way people notice you, but it has potential.

>>3884

>Why use a belief known to be false, a lie that is

Because it works. At least on the level of toughforms, any god can be used sucessfully.

"Nothing is true, everything is permited".

There are exercises on some chaos magick books where you roll a dice, and each number corresponds to a religion that you have to keep for a week.

When I did that I realized that I was not so different from people who grew up on those religions. Exactly like them I had doubts, fears, joys, and the feeling that those religions hold some truth.

After experiencing most most mainstream religions, I could understand why christians and atheists discuss so ferociously on the internet and why someone could make a terrorist attack. It's all the same feeling of "finding your purpose in life" and "connecting to the divine."

Beneath all the "lies", there is truth

>when you could simply be free from assumptions and expectations, working as one with the current?

Having no expectation is simply expecting that you will see something unexpected.

"No belief" is a "belief".

And from the original post: "It is a mistake to consider any belief more liberated than another."

Chaos magick is as free as anything can be can be from assumptions.

>>4003

>Thank you for that book recommendation.

You're very welcome.

>Could you please describe your method in detail?

My method used a combination of different rituals, all being mental except for a relatively constant, physical ritual.

First, the overall desire was thought of with intense emotions all relative towards love; relationship love, physical-attractive love, etc., there wasn't any doubt or negative feelings whatsoever. Then, similar to sigil magick, I forgot about it all later, but this was before I injected this manifestation into a routine-type ritual, also similar to sigil magick; having an orgasm.

I don't really remember how many times exactly I did this, but it was a large amount over the course of a year or so, and 6 months with no communication with the individual, either. Absolutely no porn was used (very important). The biggest reason as to why I believe this worked so well is something you'll also find in the aforementioned book (and many other personal-development type books too), is that in order to influence someone else's free will, you have to do your desire as if it's for the other person's benefit only. Some thoughts were that [the individual] would be happier, excited, etc. Generally very positive and attracting feelings and emotions.

The mental 'fantasy' was always exactly the same, with minor variations therein, such as we were in the same exact room, same lighting, same area, and so on. I feel that sort of consistency helped moved things along. The fantasy was also not full of lust, either, which is a bit ironic in a way.

Not to confuse you though, no sigils were actually used; just the method of creating one was. I basically skipped the actual sigil part and directly tied my Will into a routine act instead.

That's essentially the jist of it. It worked very well.

To be free of expectations means that you are not expecting at all. These are thought processes that are not being run, not whatever you are choosing to believe I am saying.

Do not tell me what I say, I am well aware of the meanings of my own words.

I counter though, that you, chaosOP, have lost sight and understanding of language. You speak constantly of belief, as if the whole of the world were nothing but, yet fail to express that the influence of belief is only over the psyche of the one experiencing it.

>>4052

Oh, don't like to double post, but my apologies if I came off like a dick there instead of an helpful asshole. I just woke up. I meant every bit of it, just the tone is off, and being misinterpreted pisses me off, unlike being misunderstood, which is annoying, comical, or dangerous.

>>4052

>the influence of belief is only over the psyche of the one experiencing it

Not OP, but I object. You can definitely influence the world with your beliefs.

Also, what is the difference between the world and the experience of the world? You can only know world by your experience, thus changing your experience (by belief) changes the world.

Another way to look at it is that by changing your beliefs you change your mind and you can obviously influence the world with your mind. There are even techniques of reality manipulation that rely solely on unshakable belief that desired change is already present and I used them with good effects.

So, I'm not sure what are you trying to convey, unless you disagree that you can influence the world by your mind only. If that's the case then I don't understand what are you doing on this board. Not meaning to sound like a dick either :^)

>>4055

And how are you sure that your random belief did not just convince you of effects. Surely you believed it would work.

Eh, I'll get back to this when I'm capable of giving a proper explanation, complete with definitions so we understand each other. There are few evils in this world that are worse than the evil of miscommunication, and I would rather not be lost in it. :/

Might not be back on til Monday though, so just to jump to a discussion point, if something is real, it should work whether you believe it or not.

Further, from my experiences and understanding of such, chaos magick is a pretty standard system of ritual magick (even if the ritual and tools may all be realized mentally) that appears designed specifically for those who are breaking free of a dogmatic background. The problem I see though is that it convinces the neophyte of their own abilities in a manner that commonly induces a form of disregard for the forces at play in their own workings, relying on the individual to see through what is of themselves and realize what is not, while they are completely blinded by faith in their own dogmatic belief systems. X_x Yes, it can work, but ug….ug…. I've met so many people who fell so deep into the traps of these logical fallacies that they thought they found enlightenment in the hole they dug in their own minds.

:/ well, I'm at my sense making quota for the day already, so, ta ta, gotta go drive 300miles.

>>4056

>And how are you sure that your random belief did not just convince you of effects.

Because the effects were something objective and measurable.

Also, one should suspend any belief after workings are done and evaluate the results with objective (as far as it is possible) mind.

>if something is real, it should work whether you believe it or not

There are techniques that indeed do.

Belief is just a tool and an easy to use at that. Because of the mental nature of the universe it does work. Think of believing as thoughtforming, because essentially it is that.

Also, I'm not into chaos magic, so you may want to wait for the OP to reply to get the official chaos magick™ perspective.

>>4058

Also, said belief wasn't random, I just wanted something to occur and used the belief technique to make it happen.

>>4052

>not whatever you are choosing to believe I am saying.

>implying I just give different meanings to what other people say for no reason.

>I am well aware of the meanings of my own words.

Well, I can't read your mind so that's useless to me, so let's use one of Oxford dictionary definitions and work with that: "A particular attitude towards or way of regarding something; a point of view

Even if you were on a perfect meditation where absolutely no toughs are on your mind, you are still experiencing reality and thus observing it. Having no toughs is still just another "point of view"/persepective

>You speak constantly of belief, as if the whole of the world were nothing but, yet fail to express that the influence of belief is only over the psyche of the one experiencing it.

I speak more of belief simply because that's what I got more replies about. I agree that belief 100% by itself won't have any effect and can even be dangerous for sanity, It's just one of the many many tools.

>>4056

Basically >>4058 got it right, and i'll try to add some more details.

>And how are you sure that your random belief did not just convince you of effects.

This is a real problem not just in chaos magick but in magick as a whole and is part of what is informally known as "crazy wizard sindrome".

It might seem that chaos magicians are more likely to have it because we are supposedly rewiring our brains all the time but I would say that the hability to snap out of beliefs to be very effective against this.

To answer your question: the mindset that makes the spell is not the same mindset that judges its effect, so there is no bias. I didn't "believe it would work".

And again, chaos magick is not only about belief.or about deluding yourself for doing magick. Belief is just one of many tools and the chaos way of seeing belief is very helpful for using multiple magick systems

>chaos magick is a pretty standard system of ritual magick

I would call it a "meta-system", but yes.

>that appears designed specifically for those who are breaking free of a dogmatic background

I have no idea what the authors where thinking when they were writing those books but I think that only Principia Discordia was written for that purpuse.

Your concerns for neophytes are valid but it's not exclusive to chaos magick. I have found no chaos magick book that claimed to give an amazing amount of wisdom or power.

Even the "magickless" judeo-christian texts are more likely to put sumeone on the "dugged in enlightment".

>>4055

>Another way to look at it is that by changing your beliefs you change your mind and you can obviously influence the world with your mind. There are even techniques of reality manipulation that rely solely on unshakable belief that desired change is already present and I used them with good effects.

>>4056

>And how are you sure that your random belief did not just convince you of effects. Surely you believed it would work.

>

A strong belief - in anything - can change the world thru you interaction with a large number of people with opposing - weaker - beliefs. They will be effected by it and over time their belief will adapt to yours.

Don't underestimate the effect of 1000s of people magnifying your belief in their daily actions.

>>393

OP a little bit of help, please.

I've delved in chaos magic for quite a while now. I've achieved some amazing results on this journey. But, hands down, the most incredible results I achieved were after my father died. His death was like magical steroids. Now I understand that those results were due to the fact that I sincerely didn't care about anything. Any self imposed limitations were thrown out of my conceptual frame. Which in turn rendered my sigils and thought forms incredibly effective. My will was mighty and I was challenging the odds time and time again. Which is somewhat ironic. It's very weird to be mourning a loved one and at the same time be the warm center around which the universe revolves on. In hindsight I achieved so much stuff on the year after his death that even thinking about it is surreal.

My question: How should I proceed to recapture this weird psychological place? I mean… Without anyone else dying? The underlying question is: how do I challenge probabilities so constantly that I end up in this less than probable type of existence?

>>4243

I'm not OP, but something just popped into my mind. Could it be that during that time your ego was suppressed or muted, since you "didn't care for anything"?

It is more often than not our ego what stops us from fully realizing our potential ("revealing our power level", "coming out of the closet") by being true to ourselves. It is the ego the one who wants to conform to others' expectations.

Just a thought.

>>4251

I'm >>4243

>Could it be that during that time your ego was suppressed or muted

Yeah. My ego was well shut down. I was beyond depression… I don't think there is even a psychiatric term for that state. But if people could see inside my mind I would've been put in suicide watch.

I should've recorded that state in a servitor and then pull it up whenever I needed it. But I didn't thought of it back then….

Any suggestions regarding gaming the odds?

>>4243

A good way to understand this psychological place is observing sigil magick instructions.

Almost always there is a final step where you are asked to "forget" about the sigil.

The main explanation given is that your conscious mind should be detached from the desired outcome to allow your subconscious mind to act freely on the matter.( this could be related to what >>4251 said )

You have to let go of the spell and focus on anything else. If that is not easy, then you should "use away" your desires on the ritual itself, like if you were "spending desire" to obtain results. (that's another possible explanation of effectiveness.)

I am not sure if I understood your last question but I hope I explained what you wanted to know.

Since you said you manged to archeive meaningful results, is there any wisdom you would like share?

>>4254

I'm >>4243

> is there any wisdom you would like share?

There are so many things I could say. But I think the most important one is that chaos magick actually works. I work in a scientific field, and I was a materialist agnostic. Religion and superstition were not only alien to me, but I used to dismiss them from the get go. Only ignorant people would fall for that, I used to thought. I read RAW and Crowley more from a sociological point of view. An ex gf was a Wiccan and some of what she did felt like ignorance And nonsense to me.

Then I read this Grant Morrison essay. He wrote something like "chaos magick works with any and all conceptual frames" I thought "even with an agnostic, atheistic and materialist point of view?" And I set myself to disprove chaos magick. Like a simple Sunday afternoon diversion. I followed the instructions to make a sigil and waited for it to fail. The damn thing worked perfectly three days later. So I experimented more and got near and partial successes. A lot of failures too. But most of all it was fun. So I kept going. I explained the successes as confirmation bias but slowly things started to scalate into the physical, measurable world. More study, more readings, more practice. More successes and more failures. Then my father's death and here I am. Trying to streamline a way to hack probabilities.

I think the most important thing I've learned as a magician is something I learned back in college: question everything. It's the healthiest (although hardest too) way to face reality. Mainly question people who think they know everything. This includes wizards that affirm to know the universe secrets, inside out and upside down.

Also, do what it works. Correct what it doesn't. Dispose what it can't be corrected. Find new ways of making it work.

Yeah. That's pretty much it.

>I am not sure if I understood your last question

Yeah. I worded it out in a weird manner. An analogy to make it clearer (I hope): almost everything in nature flows trough the path of least resistance. Evolution, hereditary characteristics, electric circuitry, temperature, a water stream… Even our own lives. It's so easy to get fat but so difficult to get fit. It's so easy to live boring uneventful lives, instead of huge beautiful ones. It's so easy to be dull instead of being creative. This is just a probabilistic phenomena. Everything will follow through the least resistance path.

So, OP, what concrete and specific practice would you recommend to make leaps in this least resistance flow? How do you go against the probabilities and live a huge full life?

Thanks for the answers

>>4255

>So, OP, what concrete and specific practice would you recommend to make leaps in this least resistance flow? How do you go against the probabilities and live a huge full life?

About path of least resistence:

"The bird of paradise alights only upon the hand that does not grasp". This has been working well for me. Your energy goes to where your attention is so if you focus on the challenges you are making them stronger. Instead of going to deep concentration and using magick to force the desired effects upon reality, I simply allowed the effects to occur. You can apply this knowledge to somehow boost your results against those resistences.

As far as your personal life goes, changing your destiny is so complicated it deserves a thread on its own. You can use the egyptian Decans or the greek Moirai entities or your own toughforms on your favor, but they will have certain limitations. First, for them to be effective you will have to do some work on your own. Anyone can make a "job spell", but if that person never gives anyone their resumé, it's most likely going to fail.

Create the possiblity of greatness with mundane actions. Prioritize long term over short term, avoid procrastination, get back to that old project or idea you had.

It would'nt be so hard to magickally receive more invitations (dependiing on your life), but it would be more meaningful to you if you were he one reaching out to people to do somenthing you care about.

After you create the possibilites with mundane actions, allow the events to come into your life with magick.

>>4378

I'm >>4255

This is the reason why chaos magick attracts me so much. Chaos magicians are the most coherent, most reliable and down right intelligent fellas in the fringe community, IMHO.

This is the best answer I've gotten from anyone regarding these matters, and you know what? You are absolutely right.

I owe you a couple of beers, mate. Don't let this thread die. And thank you.

>>4466

What chaos magicians are you talking about? Why aren't they drunk?

>>4516

?

I'm a chaos practitioner and I'm drunk. Idk what you're talking about.

>>4523

I'm not but I wish I were :(

well, still isn't too late for that I guess

>I'm not but I wish I were :(

What? Drunk or a chaos magician?

>>4810

Drunk.

Been too busy to practice and always wanted to mix chaos magick with psychotronic amplifiers

Especially since I'm down tens of thousands just this week… fucker who did it not even of an apology was capable, let alone the money.

Found the perfect scumbag for psychotronic experimenting.

Lets say Id like to make the fucker lose motor control while crossing a bridge or commit all kinds mistakes at work or get inexplicably sick over and over again.

Any experienced anons?

>>4815

Chaos magick can be easily mixed with anyting, but you might have more sucess on the question thread for getting into specifics of how to harm another.

I don't know much about psychotronic amplifiers, but sigils can be used for basically any purpuse.

There is a short instruction for sigils here >>396 and other instructions can be easily found on the internet.

Someone might warn you about karma for getting revenge and I think I should give you a similar warning. Don't expect anything like a divine punishment but your desire to cause harm is harming you. If I were you, I would focus 100% on recovering that money.

>>4860

>karma

Anons, particularly of the wiccan persuasion, like to surround themselves with the illusion that somehow magick work is different than any other human endeavor, that there is some automatic mystical force that will do bad things to bad people. But that is self-evident nonsense to anyone who actually looks at the world. And there is no reason why the stuff we use to make our things work, whatever in hell that may be, should be any different from say, chemistry. No one in their right mind would ascribe mystical ethics to explosives. Things blow up because they blow up. And this notion that somehow the universe cares about human behaviour is too absurd to be met with by anything other than laughter. If the entire population of Southeast Asia were to be wiped out tomorrow, for example, the universe would not even notice it as a belch.

>>4953

Actions have consequences. That's all Karma really means. Its the law of cause and effect.

How it works EXACTLY when it comes to magic and harming others, I have no idea.

>>4953

You have no idea what is meant by the term karma.

Also, how exactly the usage of some foreign words by Wiccans (and new agers in general) without the understanding of it and in the wrong context is an argument?

>somehow magick work is different than any other human endeavor

No one thinks that.

>some automatic mystical force that will do bad things to bad people

That's not karma either, there is no "good" or "bad" just cause and effect and that is pretty much the law of karma.

>But that is self-evident nonsense to anyone who actually looks at the world

Well, you can't really talk about karma without talking about reincarnation and thus you can't prove that there is no such thing as karma - someone gets fucked, we don't know whether it was something in this life that caused it or in hundreds of thousands of the previous ones. If you want to prove that karma is bullshit then you'd have to know all the causes and all the effects in all the eternity to prove that for example some effects don't have a cause or vice versa.

>And there is no reason why the stuff we use to make our things work, whatever in hell that may be, should be any different from say, chemistry.

And it's not, the law of cause and effect is in effect there too.

>mystical ethics

Again, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with ethics. It's not only about the act, but about your attachment to it. Complete non attachment allows one to not produce further karmas.

>Things blow up because they blow up.

No, they blow up because the energetic effect of some reaction is huge. Cause and effect.

>this notion that somehow the universe cares about human behaviour

What notion?

>>4953

I mostly agree with what you said.

If you take another look at my post you will see that I never defended to the wiccan version of karma.

I should have been more clear there.

What i mean is that those who feel anger will suffer from the anger itself because the negative emotions create a personal "hell". It doesn't fell good to hate anyone.

It's not about the universe caring or a deity judging morality.

>>4962

It can do plenty of good to feel hate. Without hate, we would be extinct.

That's not called karma, it's called having a mental block… you cannot have any subconscious censor telling you that if you do something unpleasant to another person, something unpleasant will happen to you. If you have that floating around, you damn well better get rid of it fast or it will do you in.

>>4954

>>4956

>>4962

>>4970

>>4986

As has been mentioned earlier, the secret is non-attachment. If you do not have a "horse in the race" so to speak, your consciousness can lay back and allow itself to work on autopilot. Your actions will then arise out of the Tao, having no karmic connections, because it's point of origin is not your ego with its many hangups.

>>5920

I will rephrase the sentence since my keyboard fucked up

Are isochronic tones useful for magick in general?

>>612

sick of this copy pasta

>>7620

You don't belong here.

I'm dumping some books for y'all, so be thankful. I got this from a MEGA trove called 'The Temple of Solomon'

>>8895

Here's some more

>>8895

It would be much more helpful if you posted the link to the mega

just sayin

>>8895

>posts stuff from the library everyone knows about and which is at the first place in /library/ index

>be thankful

>>691

>>739

Sounds like you don't change your body, but way you see/ the percepction of yourself, is it not?

>>958

>Most of what you just listed do have qualities and effects on their own, regardless of belief. Not all of it is dependent solely on your belief. Robes helps with keeping your energy circulating more properly. Symbols can carry astral attachments, thought forms, energies and the likes. The same goes for mantras and incantations.

So this is not a belief of yours but an objective truth? if no one believed that mantras, robes and etc have any quality or effect do they will have it or not? The chaos magicians seem to disagree with you.

>>613

But how do you know you are actually changing reality and not just changing the way you see reality?

>>9243

The answer to that is in your question.

>>9245

Hm, so you actually don't ever know? It could be an illusion or not(?), is that it?

>>9247

Can you give me your definition of reality?

>>9259

Truth as experienced by The All (GOD).

>>9259

Noumenon, independent of phenomenon.

>>9279

Is that your definition, or copied from somewhere?

The reason I said >>9245 is that changing how you see reality, changes reality. I can look at an apple with fear because of the fairytale of snowwhite, thinking the apple will poison me into an eternal slumber, or i can look at it with joy because i'm hungry and my belly needs food to function and also because i know the fairytale is a load of crock (metaphysical interpretations aside).

How you see what you see defines how you see your reality.

>>9528

He is not who you quoted in >>9259, by the way.

I'm >>9520

Does magic gain a boost on days like Halloween, the summer and winter solstices and other such days? And if it does is it all kinds of Magic or just certain types? I ask because I see that a lot in stories and myths about the physical realm and the non-physical being closest together or the barrier being thinnest around Halloween

>>9239

I was already sucessful in changing the perception of myself to myself and to others. For real changes to the body you can take a look at the Shapeshifting thread. It has some useful information there: >>811

>>9243

Good question. I am working on that myself. Placebo, nocebo and confirmation bias will get in your way. The best thing you can do is take notes in detail of everything you try to do and their results, including failures.

Another important thing is realizing that reality is made from observations. It can be VERY dangerous getting into a cycle of self dellusion, but some magickal systems and methods are based on faith (like self afirmation) and sometimes your objectives can be archieved by changing only the perception on yourself and others.

>>9618

There are some magickal traditions that give a big importance to dates and the position of planets, moons and stars like New Age and Wicca. Chaos Magick itself is closer to a meta-system.

If you want my personal opinion I suppose it will have some effect based on the mainstream belief that it will(somewhat similar to meme magick), but it's already November so it's not very useful anymore.

As for the solstices I think the hermetic principle of "as above, so below" can be apllied to say that the fire element, fire principle and connection to gods of the sun is stronger when the sun stays longer on the sky. I advise not to care too much about dates unless you working directly with that.

Seeing my older posts I would like to apologize to everyone for giving the impression that felt like I was unwelcoming the Librarian and (unrelatedly) an impression of defending an absolute faith-based "mind over matter" perspective on magick. I did not choose my words wisely on those topics.

Anyone that wishes to comment and answer questions is very welcome here, even for disagreeing with me. I do not "own" this thread.

>>4253

Hey! My dad also died recently! Shortly after I got into this, always had an interest, I know the exact place you were in. I also reached that place after a week of binge drinking and smoking grass. Coupled with saliva for a short while.

So i guess being sad and getting fucked up is one way to try.

Do you think there is truth to 8ch's current adoption of the god Kek?

Is there a thread/index/info graphs on herbs and their magick uses?

>>9951

Also books would be nice.

>>9939

There is definitevely truth behind the current cult of Kek. If there wasn't a god to start with, there would at least an egreogre in its place because of the way it is treated. Be aware that Kek is not necessarily a benevolent being.

>>9951

>>9952

I don't know much about herbs. Try asking in the Question Thread here: >>8688

I got question regarding tulpas.

I understand that tulpas are a extremly advanced thoughform, but can they get advanced enough to become a soul? and if so, can it posses a spirit?

>>10012

It's definitely not unheard of. I've read about the concept you're referring to multiple times already. I'm certain that a tulpa may be "spirited".