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Ryan's FAQ

https://succubuslove.wordpress.com/

Succubus Collective Blog

https://succubuscollective.wordpress.com/

Collective Forum

http://succubus.hypeforum.net/

There seems to be a lot of "idle" interest in this subject but not a lot of people who manages to get beyond the question: How do I make an initial contact?

The number of wordpress blogs discussing experiences have grown from 6 - 40+ in just a year or so. The only problem with this is that blogs are personal outlets and not a good base for actual discussion.

Once you are "up there" and have your own connection you close yourself inside this world and only talk to other experienced people. This leaves beginners on the outside.

My aim here is to see if we can find a way to help those interested but inexperienced people, and also open the "inner circle" a little bit and get them to come and talk outside of the blog format.

Interesting.

http://succubus.hypeforum.net/t10-materialization-out-of-thin-air-vs-acting-as-human

The PDF in the OP claims succubi are benevolent creations from God, that Ryan dude thinks they're pretty dangerous, and I've seen people claim they're neutral/harmless.

So what is it?

>>2955

All and none

All at once

Depending or your actions and actitud.

>>2955

Going from the presumption that you just mean beings looking for sexual interaction; some of them are like predators feeding on your loosh, some of them are looking for actual love and affection. Kind of like Human females. Satanic incubi/sucubi, which is what the definition kind of implies nowadays, fall in the latter category.

Just from my experiences with them I'd qualify them as neutral entities.

They feed on sexual energy whether that be in a parasitic sense or as a part of a deal.

Regardless, I'd only really use them as tools due to their nature.

Succubi frighten me tbh. As much as I like the idea, it seems so likely to me that to commune with or create one would invoke a special kind of karma.

Can succubi cut you short of Attainment? Are they Satanic?

>>3591

There are generally 2 types, the infernal and the heavenly. None of them are satanic in the sense of being related to satan as described in religion.

The infernal kind are mostly at the level of other infernal demons but they are treated as nobility and do not engage in the common infernal culture. They are more interested in partying and music. Out of respect, they are left alone to do what they want. They may also be referred to as underground succubus. Personality wise they are like teens, and their appearance correspond to that. They are usually slim with round perky tits.

The heavenly succubus are more diverse. Some are slim, others are more curvy. It's more common to find those with an angelic appearance to have larger, heavy tits and wider hips. They may also be found to be more mature and serene.

Succubus do not lure people into arrangements that block their spiritual path. Acts of that kind would create karma for them too. They are very business aware and will never do something unclever like that.

>>3617

>None of them are satanic in the sense of being related to satan

Its all fine and cool you (presumably) have had sexual experiences with astral beings, but don't state that none are associated with Satan/Satanism when this is flat-out false.

Satanic Demons looking for romantic relationships, sexual experiences or even long-term relationships are very real. Most, if not all, of them are far more spiritually developed then the average human, considering they just extraterrestrial highly spiritually developed beings.

Although the following page is a tad lackluster, it will give you some insight.

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Incubus.html

>infernal and heavenly succubus

I've never heard these distinctions used before (in this context anyway) and it sounds like you just pulled it out of your ass. How do you even define these two? What is internal and heavenly?

>>3591

>it seems so likely to me that to commune with or create one would invoke a special kind of karma.

>special kind of karma

>current year

>karma

There are no karmic repercussions, stop buying into the new age definition of karma. Also, do explain why this would even seem likely. Its not much different from a human to human relationship.

>Succubi frighten me tbh.

Thanks to Yahweh and Co. The collective of the Abrahamic faith completely screwed over both the purpose of sexuality and anything related to Satan, Demons and Magick. Add to that the new-age mumbo jumbo of 'karma' and voila, people are unnecessarily frightened. It's really unfortunate.

>Can succubi cut you short of Attainment?

Any Satanic incubus/succubus will never impede on your spiritual progress, in fact, they would rather see you empowered and develop yourself, especially if we're talking about an actual spiritual & romantic relationship; they will gladly help and urge you to cultivate yourself.

>>3617

>create karma

Stop it with slinging these toxic new-age thought forms around, you're not making anything better. Willfully swallowing this karma cruse will bring you exactly that.

>>2955

>>2715 (OP)

I also just read through the PDF in OP and its chock-full of disinformation. Lines like these:

>"To read an account of the creation of man, one needs only to pick up a Bible and read the first three chapters of the book of Genesis. And where succubi begin is right after the creation of Eve."

>unironically using the bible as a factual source of data and not perceiving it to be the hoax and toxic trapping thoughtform-matrix it is.

>"Should you try to summon a non-succubaen being (i.e. a demon or incubus), you run the risk of becoming possessed, bodily mutilation, mental retardation, illness, and/or death."

This is just plain-out stupid. Nothing more but trying to discredit any demon and the male definition of a succubus (incubus). That is some pretty blatant Yahweh and Co. authored brainwashing and disinformation. They wrote it so that you only contact Yahweh-approved beings that will use you as a battery of loosh.

More proof this is just a scheme to con you of your loosh while inducing toxic thought forms and what have you:

>"While kneeling a safe distance away from the candle and chanting the name of the succubus, masturbate onto the white piece of cloth with the succubus’s name on it."

>"or someone who has never summoned one before, the success rate is about 16%, so keep trying every new moon until it works. It took four months until I summoned my first succubus, but after you done a few, you success rate will rise, especially using the same succubi repeatedly."

>yes goy, just keep donating your loosh to us and maybe we'll con you of even more loosh.. maybe, but for now, donate more.

TL;DR: Keep away from the PDF in OP. Refer to my post above if you're genuinely interested in a genuine romantic/sexual relationship with a succubus/incubus. Post:

>>3636

>>3636

>Its all fine and cool you (presumably) have had sexual experiences with astral beings, but don't state that none are associated with Satan/Satanism when this is flat-out false.

>

>Satanic Demons looking for romantic relationships, sexual experiences or even long-term relationships are very real.

You seem to assume my statement was contradictory to your view. It is not.

I claimed - no succubus - are satanic, as in relating themselves to the "satan" described in religions. Satan is usually made out to be a male (incubus) ruler of Hell, a place of torment. Wether these demons in his realm are engaging in sexual relations with humans is not part of what I talked about.

"Succubus" may be sometimes be used as a trashcan type of term for any demonic female entity or spirit whom one may have sexual relations with. This sloppy usage of the word is not something I support. For something to be called a succubus, I prefer the definition they themselves use.

They have to be an entity, not a spirit. This means they have a bodily form. They are beyond the reincarnation cycle, this means they are a kind of god. Some may want to place "god" as opposed to "demon", but in my view "god" means just that, someone who will not be forced to incarnate, an immortal. "Demon" on the other hand describes the nature, personality etc. Succubus also do not obey any male, so they can not be related to Satan, as the only relation they could have to him, would be to accept him as a ruler over them.

>>3636

> How do you even define these two? What is internal and heavenly?

Infernal with an F.

There was a description in the post you replied to. I just briefly wrote down what I've learned from experience. They can also be called "underground" and "heavenly". It should be self explanatory, it refers to the realm they live in.

>>3636

>There are no karmic repercussions, stop buying into the new age definition of karma.

I keep seeing this ignorance being spread. It's a cancer.

Karma does not mean someone will punish you to enforce some laws. This definition is wrong.

Karma is the energetic trace of the act itself. It can be understood as a political thing as well. If you do something that upsets people stronger and more powerful than you, they will not accept it. The anger and hate they feel for you is part of the karma. It is real.

If you don't believe it, you can try expressing controversial views to other people. It WILL bring you trouble. There are spirits everywhere. They have their area of influence and they will not let anyone do whatever.

The only way to not be effected by this is by either

>not doing anything that upsets anyone, ever

or

>being extremely powerful, crushing all opposition with force

If someone were to block the path of another person, and this person later becomes enlightened, a buddha or any other powerful entity, would you be able to oppose him?

No. So you can't use force against such a person, and you need to be careful about this. The person you caused trouble for may look weak now, but unless you are 100% sure he will remain a weakling, you shouldn't use force against him.

Suppose you do block him, he may hate you for it and remember it. This hate will come back and cause you endless trouble if the person later becomes a powerful entity.

It's pretty simple.

>>3639

The PDF is meant for reference, not as a manual. Knowing about different views may sometimes be necessary to maintain conversation.

The links included also have conflicting messages.

This is not a problem - it forces you to think for yourself and take a personal stance. Knowing what you believe in and what you can't accept is important. Don't just expect you can follow blindly what others tell you. (lol)

>>3639

>those pesky Yahwehists are trying to con you out of your loosh!

>Now I've got the real stuff, better listen to me. oy vey!

This is some classic 'my brand of bullshit>your brand of bullshit' type of shit.

>>3651

Its not just in the label or 'brands' that there are major differences. If you actually took the time to read my posts and the link therein and OP's PDF, you would see that this is the case.

Planning on performing this ritual on July 4, the nearest new moon. As a newfag to magick, I will do the ritual as prescribed in the text, but I do have some questions:

1. Must the contract be stated for a full lunar month?

2. If the ritual fails, would I retry hours later, or the next new moon?

3. Would I have to have sex with the succubi every day of the lunar month?

>>3654

From my experience I'd say

>1&3

Succubus usually have one main objective - getting pregnant. If you can do this in one round, maybe she will consider the contract fullfilled.

Some want a longer relation for personal development reasons, some want an exchange of sexual energy. If you have a normal mindset there won't be any problems.

BUT - and this is a major one - if you mess up or have some strange motives or desires, you may attract a nasty. A lot of newbs make the mistake of using blood, this is a sure way to invite trouble, you'll get haunted.

Clear intent is most important.

>2

This is the wrong mindset. You should KNOW it will be successful. Succubus are still females, they like men who can make decisions and be firm. If you don't believe it will work, it probably won't.

>>3654

Don't. Read Alpam's post and rearrange your plans accordingly.

Now I don't know much about succubi and incubi, but OP pdf seems bullshit to me.

>>3652

I read both, you homo. I understand there are major differences, but that has nothing to do with my point.

You're simply making the baseless assertion of 'my beliefs are better than their beliefs'.

PDF in the OP claims [x], you're own beliefs contradict [x], therefore it's all a loosh farm. It's completely baseless.

I'm not some Christfag apologist but making baseless statements is stupid.

>>3644

>The PDF is meant for reference, not as a manual.

>Don't just expect you can follow blindly what others tell you. (lol)

You might see it this way, however others do not. People like >>3654 will follow it without deviation, him/her presumably being new into occultism and esoteric matter. Thus my warnings were not without reason or misplaced.

>>3654

Especially considering you are new, I'd advise you to not follow the tutorial outlined in OP's PDF. I know it might seem like easy digestible and 'down to earth' tutorial, something that seemingly 'just works', but you'll literally call energy predators upon yourself this way. Especially that you need to masturbate in a piece of cloth makes no sense, you're essentially devoiding yourself of sexual energy, and handing it over to the being in question – energy that you should aim to cultivate yourself with.

My advice for you would be to open your astral senses beforehand (even if you're not going to summon Satanic succubi). OP's PDF isn't even geared to the rest of occultism, its basically a one-trick pony PDF, full with disinformation at that. A definite no-go.

>>3643

>Satan is usually made out to be a male (incubus) ruler of Hell, a place of torment.

>a place of torment

This is primarily, if not only, pushed to be so by the trinity of Abrahamic religions, the same which is used as a foundation for the PDF in OP's post.

>[…] For something to be called a succubus, I prefer the definition they themselves use.

If I call myself an succubus from now, will you accept that as my label and naming? I feel like this is thinking in circles.

>There was a description in the post you replied to.

You still did not explain how you came up with said definitions, infernal and heavenly. Is just a semantic creative touch you added over it, or is there more? It just seems confusing at this point, infernal and heavenly being terms mostly used for other things in similar context with different meanings.

>[stuff about karma]

I have nothing against your definition – I was what you quoted was me referring to the other poster with his "special kind of karma" case for just "commune [with]" or "create [a]" succubus.

>not doing anything that upsets anyone, ever

>No. So you can't use force against such a person, and you need to be careful about this.

What about upsetting ZOG and its allies by trying to liberate one's self and others? What about spotting disinformation and confronting someone with this, even if incites an 'upsetting' response?

>>3666

Sexy trips, a waste though.

>PDF in the OP claims [x], you're own beliefs contradict [x], therefore it's all a loosh farm. It's completely baseless.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

>>3667

>You still did not explain how you came up with said definitions, infernal and heavenly.

It's observations anyone can make from continuous contact with succubus.

After a while you will notice these 2 distinct types, those who look "angelic" and those who look and behave more like teens at a beach party. After communicating and socializing (if you can call it that) with them I realized they do come from completely different places of the same world.

Personality wise there are those who like to fly in the sky and they live in caves dug into the mountain side.

Then there are those who prefer deep large caves where no sunlight reaches. They stay in these huge halls lit by fires and often play simple rythmic music, completely different from the flying type. Some of these caves seem to connect with places called Hell by humans. There is some contact between these succubus and the demons of these places, but mostly succubus are left alone because they can cause a lot of trouble for other demons if engaging with them. At least that's what they tell me.

>>3667

>What about spotting disinformation and confronting someone with this, even if incites an 'upsetting' response?

Is the person/entity you are upsetting powerful? Will it remain powerful? That's what you need to ask first. If you're convinced you are stronger than them, or that you will be stronger than them later, go on and upset them!

You only need to respect those who will overpower you when both of you are at full potential. Making a mistake will give you a difficult enemy in the future, that's why you need to be careful.

As the saying goes

>if you can't beat them, join them

It only means to not challange someone you can't beat. The other alternative is to be forever oppressed, but it is your own choice of course.

Remember that anything done against YOU also create karma - your own hate for them.

In your particular example you only need to look at history to see how hated they are. They sure have lots of karma.

>>3669

I don't really agree on how to deal with your definition of karma (especially not 'if you can't beat them, join them'), but your input is appreciated.

>Some of these caves seem to connect with places called Hell by humans.

You mean the definition put forth by the Abrahamic religions?

Anyhow, thank you for your insight regarding your experience with these classes of succubi. I don't doubt the validity of your experiences, though I'm a little way about these beings themselves. Not the kind of beings I would want to be associated with anyhow.

>>3658

>getting pregnant

sign me up,thats my fetish!

>>3683

>>Some of these caves seem to connect with places called Hell by humans.

>

>You mean the definition put forth by the Abrahamic religions?

Plato described the same thing - heaven and underworld - in the last chapter of The Republic. It's very similar to newer religions with the exception he places it as part of a reincarnation cycle.

It's an interesting read, I can recommend it.

>>4012

is there astral child support? if not sign me up

>>4063

>in the last chapter of The Republic

From the second half of page 478 and onward of this PDF.

>>4064

Succubus are among the strongest demons existing, they are self supporting from birth, i.e. children need no support. (apart from a sip of breast milk, but the mother provides this)

>>4063

>>4065

I actually have copy of the republic, never got around to reading it.

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/15757737/

http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/15742617/

http://4archive.org/board/x/thread/15782411

here's some archived succubus threads that might have some gems

>>3683

>>3667

>>3639

>>3636

>>3030

You're ruining it and I have a suspicion you only do it because you got triggered by the mentioning of the bible in that pdf.

Since you deem the described way to summon a succubus dangerous or wrong, because you give them something instead of keeping everything for yourself like the selfish satanic asshole you are, might you also come up with another way or are you just here to ruin the party?

From the pdf

>"They can only be with one person at a time, but once you summon one you become "vetted" in succubaen society and it more likely that succubi will respond to your summons than someone with no experience"

So if I want to summon one of the succubi mentioned in the pdf it doesn't work if someone else does it too?

Doesn't this minimize my chances to about 0% or am I not getting something here?

>>4432

I suggest checking the links in the OP as well, specifically the forum. In the Q&A section there is a long post explaining most newb issues.

To address your specific question here, there are so many succubus you don't need to worry about being ignored if they think you fit. It's even likely the person who wrote that PDF isn't aware some of the succubus mentioned may in fact be a number of sisters with similar appearance and character. Unless it's a very specific small group you contact (like some bloggers describe) it's likely the name refers to a succubus family line rather than individual.

TL:DR

If your summoning is done right, someone matching your desire will show up.

>>4431

>got triggered by the mentioning of the bible in that pdf.

It seems rather common among wordpress bloggers to relate succubus with satanism, applying an anti feminist view.

On the other hand some feminists use succubus as a symbol of feminism because of the claim Adam's rejected first wife Lilith was a succubus.

Then there are the christians who justify succubus summoning with that story of a pope who had a succubus lover.

What I mean to say is; a lot of different people want to use succubus as a symbol for their own cause, even when people of opposing views also use them. In reality succubus are independent and not in conflict with either satanists or christians, which is why both sides can be successful summoners.

A person of one certain philosophical alignment making contact with a succubus should not be seen as confirmation of their alignment with that view.

>>3654

Rituals are just a part of formality, they have no actual effect on the success of the magick.

joy of satan has a pretty good and "simple" way to summon succubi.

>>4433

Ok thank you.

Can a succubus be summoned for companionship?

As in, no sexual acts are performed, rather we bath in a fountain of each other's energy while just communicating.

I am uncomfortable with the idea of exchanging energy for pleasure, so I'd really just rather talk to one of them, learn about them, feel their energy and in turn let them feel mine.

BTW I haven't read the pdf, so if this is covered in it, I apologize.

>>4457

>Can a succubus be summoned for companionship?

>As in, no sexual acts are performed, rather we bath in a fountain of each other's energy while just communicating.

>I am uncomfortable with the idea of exchanging energy for pleasure, so I'd really just rather talk to one of them, learn about them, feel their energy and in turn let them feel mine.

>BTW I haven't read the pdf, so if this is covered in it, I apologize.

I'm unsure what you might mean because your definition of energy in this matter may be confused. Realistically; male and female energies correspond with yin and yang. If you've read the required readings in the occult seed regarding this you would understand. If in case you do understand that then what you're asking for may be complicated and you need to explain yourself some more. Alternatively I may not know enough about succubus and their services to see if what you're asking for a possibility but I highly doubt it.

Consider the following:

A woman's vaginal secretions is the manifestation of female energy and a men's manifestation of his male sexual energy is his precum. During this exchange of fluids, both partners are sharing their sexual energy - no ejaculation is required. A man ejaculating loses more in this exchange. The energy within these fluids is absorbed through the skin of each respective organ. One can infer that the stigma attached to the assistance of a succubus is draining because many who summon them keep spilling their life energy (semen).

More on the importance of female energy (yin) and its cooling effects:

Following the writings by Mantak Chia you will see how a man trying to cultivate male sexual energy is a challenging endeavour by himself because a male's energy is "hot" and requires cooling. Men do have the ability to cool themselves just as women have a degree of yang in them, but the most efficient way for a man to cool himself is when a man and woman are joined as one. For this is why I can see there is an advantage towards employing the services of a succubus if one doesn't have a partner.

>>4457

Are you asking this because you are female? They do recruit as well, if this is in your interest.

It should be noted most succubus interaction isn't particularly focused on "pleasure." It may go like this

>succubus shows before you (you'd need to be able to sense nonphysicals to know)

>she says do me and gets on top of you

>the act takes 5 seconds and she flies off again

As dull as that may sound this is part of the things they need to do to evolve, maybe you can compare it to the Pokémon Go players who visit the holocaust museum for the ingame checkpoint placed there.

They don't have your view of why to do this and it may seem pointless to an outsider.

>>4459

>your definition of energy in this matter may be confused

Yh, you are the only one who can be right, for sure :^)

>If you've read the required readings in the occult seed regarding this you would understand

>required readings

If you had "required readings" in something else you would know that your system is just one amongst many.

>Realistically; male and female energies correspond with yin and yang.

Realistically I've never encountered this in real life. Anyone, no matter the gender, has both male/female energies or whatever you want to call it. Also, define male/female principles. You mean fire/water, will/intuition etc? I've never observed the correlation between gender and these qualities in real life.

If I wanted I could now try to enforce a non-dual Tantrik view point with active Shakti and passive Shiva, prana energy and call your understanding flawed, but what would it accomplish?

There is no need to present your opinions as some revealed truth, we all have very personalized world views anyway and I guess you would disagree with me if I tried to enforce mine.

>During this exchange of fluids, both partners are sharing their sexual energy

As mentally and physically (to a degree of course) androgynous I have both energies in balance (lately I've been even focusing on my feminine side more). How does it fit within your system? I can use both female and male sexual energies, despite not having vaginal secretions (because I don't have a vagina, unless boypussy counts) :^)

>>4467

>Are you asking this because you are female? They do recruit as well, if this is in your interest.

Succubi don't have a gender. They are just a class of entities commonly used for sex, but I guess traditionally male succubi are called incubi, so if that anon is female she could summon a male appearing succubus - incubus or still use services of a female one if she is gay. It's just a matter of how an entity presents itself to the mind's eye.

>>4457

If you want to summon some entity for companionship I'd suggest turning to some other class of them. Succubi are mostly considered loosh-leeches and nothing else (although I think Joy of Satan has a different view and their succubi can be used as companions, because they essentially are that in this system). You can also create tulpa for that I guess, but who would bother?

>we bath in a fountain of each other's energy while just communicating

Sounds comfy, we can do something like that :^)

>>4475

>Succubi don't have a gender.

With a risk of getting very technical, the succubus I interact with definitely have gender. But they are quite particular about being called "succubus" with no difference between "one succubus" and "many succubus." They specifically told me not to use "succubi" with an "i" when referring to them.

Now I'm getting into their culture, but for them any male demon is an "incubus."

Some myths talk of succubus as switching gender to collect semen from men while having a female body and then inpregnating a woman while using a male appearance. I have so far found nothing to back this up as real.

However, in my experience, while all succubus are female in appearance (tits, vagina, wider hips etc) some do have a penis folded in somewhere inside/above the vagina, and they can use this even to impregnate other succubus.

Incubus looks male with wider shoulders, no hips etc, and they only have the male sexual organs. I know human anathomical rules don't apply over there but if an incubus could get pregnant, wouldn't this be reflected in their bodily composition?

If someone is to be considered male or female would have to be decided by something, and in my opinion it would be somewhere around what their main characteristics imply. A succubus with the ability to fold out a dick still has the appearance of a woman and the female sexual organ isn't hidden in any way, they just turn double gendered (in a technical sense) for a while. They still don't have balls.

>>4485

I don't believe that entities/demons/thoughtforms etc. have an appearance set in stone. They just manifest in whatever way you believe them to appear.

With that being said, I don't have any personal experiences with neither succubi nor incubi (if they don't care about grammar then fuck them I guess).

>>4490

>entities/demons/thoughtforms

No… just…

Placing entity and demon in the same line as thoughtform/tulpa is so… I can't even

Just fuck this, I can't deal with people who go along with this.

I don't doubt you know what you're talking about in other areas, but placing so completely different things as if they could be compared is such an /x/ tier mistake, anything I say to try and correct it would be an insult, so I just won't bother.

>>4493

Why not? The universe is a thoughtform, you and me too.

>>4495

But yeah, I may have not been fortunate with choosing my words, but my point is that even the appearance of such enormous thoughtforms as gods for example isn't set in stone, so why would the characteristics of succubi be?

Another example is Goetia - there are similar accounts describing the visual appearance of demons but there are also completely different accounts and still some others that show similarities but are different in some aspects.

>>4495

>>4496

The problem when you want to draw this concept of

>everything is just ideas and intent, you can create anything and change it how you like

is that it is an extremely simplified view of the world and very easily mislead beginners and they CAN get in serious trouble because of this.

A tulpa is just part of your own mind, it's a hallucination. A succubus, demon or god is just a non physical person, like all of us but with no body. The difference is, because they do not have physical bodies, some of them spend most of their time manipulating or possessing people who do, and they get really good at it over time.

When a person has this concept he created a "succubus tulpa" for example, a demon can then slip into this form and pretend to be the tulpa.

They are said to act on their own, right?

Then you suddenly have a fullfledged case of really bad demonic possession, and the person may do anything under the control of this demon. Maybe he'll go berserk with a knife in a public place, kill innocent people and end up getting shot by police.

It's this serious, and anyone spreading ideas like these are partly responsible for things like this happening. That means you get really nasty karma.

Can you will another person into being by just thinking about it? Put like this you know it won't happen. Why would it be possible with a non physical person? It's equally impossible, they must be born as well, noone can just think them up.

There is one exception known from religions, in christianity it's said (basically)

>never pray to a statue

this is elaborated in the book Zhuan Falun from the buddhist perspective.

"Consecretion" page 232 in this PDF:

http://en.falundafa.org/eng/pdf/ZFL2014.pdf

It's never talked of as something beneficial.

TL:DR it's bad for everyone, even it you can possibly stretch it into making some kind of sense in the most farfetched way.

>>4496

>even the appearance of such enormous thoughtforms as gods for example isn't set in stone, so why would the characteristics of succubi be?

Can you change your body easily? Have you tried exercising or following a diet? Or giving up a bad habit?

It's extremely hard. Non physical beings, succubus, demons, gods, whatever, it's not any easier for them. What makes you think they can change into anything by just thinking about it? Can you?

>>4500

>A tulpa is just part of your own mind, it's a hallucination

It also is something more, something outside your consciousness. Remember the "powerful tulpa" threads on 8ch and possessions?

>Then you suddenly have a fullfledged case of really bad demonic possession

>It's this serious, and anyone spreading ideas like these are partly responsible for things like this happening.

Oh, then why Spiritual Satanists from JoS aren't all possessed, shot and whatever? Why in their worldview demons are beneficial and "demonic possession" is a Christian scam, but for you it is something real and dangerous? Why there is no unified view on the matter if characteristics of some class of entity are something objective? I'm not even speaking about such details as visual presentation of given entities, but whether they are benevolent or malevolent. That should be fairly simple to check. Why someone who expects to be trashed, gets trashed while someone who expects boons gets them?

>Can you will another person into being by just thinking about it?

>Why would it be possible with a non physical person?

>The difference is, because they do not have physical bodies

>noone can just think them up

Why? In my world view it is possible.

It is my belief, supported with many teachings and personal experiments, that what is called by the physical is just very dense thought. It is hard to manipulate it with mind only, nevertheless it is possible and I think that any initiate worthy of the name is aware of that. Your thoughts can shape the physical world and do so, whether intentionally or not.

>this is elaborated in the book Zhuan Falun from the buddhist perspective

>quoting buddhists

>not realizing that the world is maya

>What makes you think they can change into anything by just thinking about it? Can you?

We even have a shapeshifting thread here, take a look.

The limitations on the astral are far lesser than on physical. You can easily mold the environment in a lucid dream, can't you? In the beginning you clearly stated that those beings don't have physical bodies, yet you treat them as if they had them. You propose that they can't change themselves, while they are only constructed from the astral matter. By using your parables - how easy it is to change your physical body? Pretty hard, eh? How easy it is to change your mind? Is the level of difficulty the same in both cases? I'd say that changing your mind is incomparably easier than changing your physical body, despite the fact that both mind and body are just made up from thoughts.

Why would they not be able to change the way they are presented to someone's mind? After all, each mind is different, so the perceptions can be different too.

There is a multitude of ways to look on these matters, I don't even mentioned the theory that the collective belief shapes both physical and the astral, but depending on the power of one's own beliefs they may prevail.

Again, I can't even wrap my head around the way you're thinking, it's alien to me and against everything I have ever learned and confirmed in my life.

>>4507

> Why in their worldview demons are beneficial and "demonic possession" is a Christian scam

Succubus are demons too, I was referring to the dangers of being possessed unknowingly by a malicious demon. If you know what you're doing, willful possession can be beneficial for both parts. BUT, the people who attempt creating tulpas are usually very new to this, and they don't believe demons exist. They are left completely open.

>"Powerful tulpa etc"

There was someone over at the tulpa forums too. I suppose they just created a tulpa closer to who they really are, compared to the personality they developed growing up in this society. Changing who you are by creating a tulpa and switching place is a useful tool.

But that's what it is - a tool. Tulpas are something used by monks originally, I can see why, they are really useful if done right. When you're done with them you should delete them again, just like sigils.

>maya vs buddhism

Different views/opinions, the world isn't one way only.

>Shapeshifting

How successful has it been? It's a theoritical discussion.

Changing your mind is possible, but no matter how much you change it your thought patterns follow the structure of the brain, just like your muscles connect in a certain way.

Looking at the astral and seeing things with wings or tails is just like looking at a different species. They can't suddenly change either, they look different to begin with, that's all.

When someone evolves it's usually part of a natural process, like a child growing up.

>>4514

>Tulpas are something used by monks originally, I can see why, they are really useful if done right.

The purpose of the creation of Yidam was showing the monk that the gods and demons and the whole world indeed is only inside of his own mind. Just look up the original story.

>Different views/opinions

There is no maya vs buddhism, maya is a term used in buddhism. So what exactly are these different views?

>the world isn't one way only

Well, that's what I think anyway, it's you who wants me to believe that it is.

>How successful has it been?

Read it, there are accounts of people changing their bodies.

>It's a theoritical discussion

In theory it is very much possible, even pushing aside practical examples provided by people there (and on old /fringe/), why do you assume that it would end in theory?

>no matter how much you change it your thought patterns follow the structure of the brain

You are meaning to tell me that you can't restructure your brain, turn your mind inside-out and see the world with fresh eyes? Mind over matter sweetie. Some fucking initiate are you. I was able to completely change my thoughts, emotions and patterns of the mind, even before I started doing magics. It's a basic skill ffs.

You are not your body nor your brain (not even your mind, but lets not go that far yet) - how can these things affect you if you will them not to?

>They can't suddenly change either, they look different to begin with, that's all.

You said it before already, but you never explained why they can't do that. I mean, it's like arguing with total dogmatic:

>why?

>JUST BCOZ, that's all

I explained my world view, my model of the universe and why do I think that their visual appearance is meaningless. Now it's your turn. I already told you in the other thread that the "guru act" doesn't work well on anonymous imageboards, no one is going to believe you just because you said so.

If I see something in the astral then the logical conclusion would be that the thing presented itself to me like that in that very moment. You make a huge leap and suppose that because you've seen it this way, then it's objective reality and it must be the same for all others, while in fact it is not. I gave examples before.

Also, I know it's not any evidence or anything, but what I'm saying isn't some new fucking crazy magical idea, it's present in almost every magical system I ever encountered (chaos magic for example). Why is that so, if it's wrong? :^)

Take for example people summoning Goetic demons, Enochian angels, Gods etc. Read the accounts of these workings. How many times do you see an account in which a said entity would look exactly like it is described in the source materials, huh? That's a rhetorical question, because I don't know how many times either, but it doesn't matter because a one account would suffice as evidence that indeed people can perceive the same entity differently.

Here you go

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id226.html

Compare the appearances here and in the Goetia.

You can also find other accounts if you look for them.

With that all being said, I believe that certain entities may appear in similar fashion most of the time (like Gods with their attributes well known) but the details may differ. Example: the descriptions of the appearance and the attributes of the same Gods/Goddesses in tantras but from different time period or geographical location. They are "close enough" but are somewhat different nevertheless.

>Picrel

Another example - here you have the same Goddess - Tara, but in Hindu iconography and a Buddhist one. Tara as a Hindu Devi is connected to the cults of Durga and Kali, and she appeared accordingly, while in Vajrayana Buddhism she was regarded as Bodhisattva. Just look at the differences - same entity, different colors, different number of arms, different (to some extent) function in worship.

That's all :^)

>>4518

>what exactly are these different views?

Most religions oppose each other and claim to be the only true faith. It's all the their view and opinion, I don't mind them thinking this.

>>4518

>restructure your brain

Our concepts are completely different, but you already pointed that out.

Just because you rewired it, it still functions based on the world we live in. There is a standard set of emotions and concepts that you will have to include or you get mental problems and can't function as a human. You can look at how things are talked of in literature from the Sovjet union. They didn't allow anything occult or religious (aside from the mythical father winter and the snow maiden because they were symbols acceptable in socialist philosophy, but noone claimed them to be real) but they still describe in detail all the things a person can feel and experience. "The Gulag Archpilago" is a good example. They manage to show something very clearly; you can have your views and opinions about things, but when it comes down to it you will follow your basest desires, you will want to avoid pain and fill up your hunger. You will want love. Those stopping you from getting this will be seen as enemies. These are some examples.

>arguments about world views, "why" etc

It's not so much of a world view I'm talking of, all I write is from experience, things I've been forced to accept because they appear as solid as concrete, though being non physical. If I don't know something I ask the collective of succubus and sometimes I let one of them type the reply using my body. A lot of the time it's a combination.

I'm here for a few different reasons, some for personal development, but also to help those interested in succubus and related topics. I'm also here to spread their view. The purpose is to form the succubus religion, a base for open recruitment. So the "guru act" is fully acceptable. A message doesn't have to be true, and it doesn't have to be based on facts, as long as it is based on emotions people recognize. You know? Trump uses this method, Brexit did too. Sorry for being blunt but all I need to do is hammer it in in multiple online platforms. The message will spread because it is backed up by countless succubus with real power, beings who have something to offer.

Most will want relations with them, some few will want to become succubus. They need to know this is possible.

>about demons changing form

What you see is just images, I just dreamed of meeting different people, and visited different places. Does this make it real? Images in your mind can appear in any way, there is no limitation. But when you wake up you realize it was a dream, and the world stops moving again.

When a succubus appears in the physical, she looks like a human girl. She doesn't have wings, horns or a tail. No scales on her body. Because the human world doesn't work that way. If you come here you follow the standard we have here. They still keep their personal characteristics, shape of the face etc, but that is all. They wear clothes, they speak the language of the place they manifested in.

>Some last words on the view I have,

I always aim at industrial scale effectiveness with the things I do. I don't care a lot about about crafting something pretty for a few selected individuals. Most people are very ordinary mainstream normies, it's them I aim at. Social movements of 1000s of individuals.

I'm obviously not going to go into what projects I'm working on because 1) it would be called "RP" and discarded and 2) if someone believed it and took it seriously it could damage the cause.

You've said twice now "an initatie" this or that. I choose this rank symbol because of the description used here corresponds with me.

>Initiate

>A person who has learned a lot of magic, probably studied at least a minimum of one year, read multiple books, engaged in a variety of practises with enough success in magic to not take the doubters seriously anymore. He has achieved gnosis, he's seen some shit, he's got results. He knows there's "something to it" and doesn't doubt his path any longer. Considers himself a wizard, is able to help others along the path and teach them as well.

I may not know a lot of theory, but I do have the skill level to do things, including things not ever mentioned on these boards.

>>4525

I feel this should be my last post in this argument, going further would stray too far from the topic of the thread. I've said all I wanted.

>>4525

>Most religions oppose each other and claim to be the only true faith.

But how is that even relevant to what you wrote in >>4514

>maya vs buddhism

explain please.

>or you get mental problems

Ever heard of emotional alchemy?

>but when it comes down to it you will follow your basest desires

Or not. I mean, we all here on /fringe/ (I guess) are pretty much for being something more than an animal. I don't see why, someone who progressed enough, would still follow base desires which he would have already mastered.

>I'm also here to spread their view.

>The purpose is to form the succubus religion

>I ask the collective of succubus and sometimes I let one of them type the reply using my body

Now, that doesn't bring any more credibility to your persona, does it? Maybe they are lying, because they have something to gain from spreading such picture of themselves.

>So the "guru act" is fully acceptable.

It only is acceptable if someone accepts you as their guru. I never did, so I'd ask you not to try and enforce your views but just present information and support it with examples/evidence whenever you can.

>A message doesn't have to be true, and it doesn't have to be based on facts, as long as it is based on emotions people recognize.

So you actually admit that whatever you write here isn't necessarily true? This actually further reinforces my previous point about succubi probably lying to gain something.

>Sorry for being blunt but all I need to do is hammer it in in multiple online platforms.

No problem and hammer away, but I doubt you will find any cultists here, especially after you were so straightforward with us.

>Images in your mind can appear in any way, there is no limitation

>When a succubus appears in the physical

Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. You said yourself in >>4500

>they do not have physical bodies

so I assumed we were talking about their appearance in the astral. You never suggested otherwise until now even when I openly stated that I talk about their astral bodies, so please, cut the bullshit, you just directly contradicted yourself.

>>4525

>What you see is just images

>Images in your mind can appear in any way, there is no limitation

>>4514

>Looking at the astral and seeing things with wings or tails is just like looking at a different species. They can't suddenly change either, they look different to begin with, that's all.

>>4500

>Can you will another person into being by just thinking about it? Put like this you know it won't happen. Why would it be possible with a non physical person?

And, even if this is some silly misunderstanding and you were talking about "physical" succubi all along in >>4485 you told us

>some do have a penis folded in somewhere inside/above the vagina

but indeed

>the human world doesn't work that way

>I always aim at industrial scale effectiveness with the things I do.

Some attention to details would be nice too nonetheless :^)

>Most people are very ordinary mainstream normies, it's them I aim at. Social movements of 1000s of individuals.

Yeah, you just came to the right place! Welcome to fringechan, the biggest normiehole in the galaxy.

Listen, either you and your succubi posse are trying o fuck us over or you are being fucked over by them.

>I feel this should be my last post in this argument

Aww, don't thrown in the towel, we had a good thing going on here.

>>4528

We are now in the area of questions that will be answered by checking the links in the OP.

Someone directly linked a discussion relevant to your questions in the first reply >>2717

>>4531

I didn't ask any, I just pointed out your general lack of knowledge, contradictions and suggested that you may have some hidden agenda.

>>4533

What "hidden agenda"?

It's been openly stated on linked websites that succubus are

>1) demons

>2) naturally mean bullies

>3) collect souls and use them as pets or energy sources

>4) rip people off if they can get away with it

>5) want to control the world

The good part is: succubus are now recruiting and you can join.

There is also no opposition to other religions so if someone feels it wasn't right for them they are free to leave (unless you gave your soul to a succubus, obviously).

>>4534

Did you read my post?

>>4528

>Now, that doesn't bring any more credibility to your persona, does it? Maybe they are lying, because they have something to gain from spreading such picture of themselves.

>So you actually admit that whatever you write here isn't necessarily true? This actually further reinforces my previous point about succubi probably lying to gain something.

You just fucking openly admitted that "a message doesn't have to be true" so it's only natural that I'm wandering whether yours is. Otherwise why would you even say such a thing?

>>4535

Did you see what examples I used?

The "leave EU" side in UK, called "brexit" used this strategy successfully after copying Donald Trump's campaign.

Who cares if it's "proven true" when you feel in your chest it's what you believe in?

If something I typed wasn't in line with the succubus cause they would step in and tell me at once. If they don't care - I don't need to care.

>Is this poem true or false?

>Only a fool would argue

>When I know these words ring true

>In my heart

~ cheers from the collective

>>4475

>Yh, you are the only one who can be right, for sure :^)

I never insinuated that. You are adding extra meaning to what I posted.

>If you had "required readings" in something else you would know that your system is just one amongst many.

Yes this is true and I've even made posts about this in different threads.

>Realistically I've never encountered this in real life. Anyone, no matter the gender, has both male/female energies or whatever you want to call it. Also, define male/female principles. You mean fire/water, will/intuition etc?

I meant to specify male and female sexual energies so I apologize for the confusion. There may not be a male energy so I short-phrased it as male energy instead of male sexual energy. But at the same time I was trying to avoid summarizing Chia's works so I kept it to the gist. The reason why fire or hot and water and cool are respectively used to describe male and female sexual energy has to do more with their application and how they behave. I would be surprised if male sexual energy quite literally did correspond with fire & will and vice-versa, because that would be a intriguing coincidence. Nevertheless the imagery is very appropriate because of each respective behaviour.

> I've never observed the correlation between gender and these qualities in real life. If I wanted I could now try to enforce a non-dual Tantrik view point with active Shakti and passive Shiva, prana energy and call your understanding flawed, but what would it accomplish? There is no need to present your opinions as some revealed truth, we all have very personalized world views anyway and I guess you would disagree with me if I tried to enforce mine.

I'll reiterate; I don't know why you're assuming my previous post was meant to enforce something. Considering all the different systems and methods discussed here and their applications towards a particular goal or idea, regulars would be used to someone making a post regarding a different system/method. Should we all start adding disclaimers to our posts before we boldly share that type of information, that despite our convictions or comfort with a system/method we don't consider ourselves an authority, expert, "being right," etc?

>As mentally and physically (to a degree of course) androgynous I have both energies in balance (lately I've been even focusing on my feminine side more). How does it fit within your system? I can use both female and male sexual energies, despite not having vaginal secretions (because I don't have a vagina, unless boypussy counts) :^)

According to Chia's writings, and I paraphrased this in my last post, men have a degree to which they can "cool" themselves. It may or may not have anything to do with "focusing" on one's "feminine side." I consider it an automatic process since male sexual energy is so potent that it can be physically hazardous when generated in large quantities and left uncooled; therefore, if the male body did not possess the ability to cool itself, the body would be hopelessly self-destructive. Furthermore, as we would both agree that there are male and female aspects to everything it does make sense that even within a male and likewise a female there is a microcosmic duality within each so by design these bodies are an expression of that duality.

Aside from all that, frankly indigo-pill, you're quite touchy today. I hope that something isn't affecting you that you can't quite control because I do enjoy your advice and posts in other threads even if I don't 100% agree with all of them or certain parts of them.

>>4539

>I never insinuated that. You are adding extra meaning to what I posted.

Well you wrote that the other anon's understanding is confused so I automatically assumed that you are writing to enforce your view, because you thought that there is only one view.

Glad you made it clear now.

>Aside from all that, frankly indigo-pill, you're quite touchy today. I hope that something isn't affecting you that you can't quite control because I do enjoy your advice and posts in other threads even if I don't 100% agree with all of them or certain parts of them.

Aww, that's nice!

Tbh yeah I'm not feeling too well, but I'll manage. Mundane stuff isn't going too well, but it's not going too bad either so I'm left in somewhat a gray area of not having to worry but also not having anything be happy about, which would be perfect for my development if it wasn't for the fact that in my magics I stagnated lately a bit too. I still keep to my schedule, work on my projects… but I kinda lost the initial spark I think. The apathy and feeling devoid of energy is the first step to a downward spiral because if I'm not actively transmuting my emotions (or voiding them) I always end up in a dark place of depression, stagnation and loneliness, something that's been my companion my entire life. The fact that it's my 18th day without opiates doesn't help either.

I'll manage, I've seen far worse. Right know I just need to clench my fists and hammer away at my magics, meditations and AP skills. Arguing with people on the Internet is simply much easier :^)

Anyway, thanks, it kinda turned into a blog post but it's nice I could finally tell someone about it.

Sorry if I'm being a dick sometimes, I'm still too weak not to occasionally be one.

Never thought I'd see the day when an anon who claims to be an initiate in magic would shill for a collective of astral entities which just happen to be succubi. Not only that he seriously thought he could convince /fringe/ with feels.

Guess our /pol/ background experience of identifying bullshit is paying off.

>>4559

I'm not a /pol/ack so I guess that common sense isn't something reserved for /pol/ :^)

>he seriously thought he could convince /fringe/ with feels

I remember their old thread on 8ch/fringe/, some anons bought into it. But well, what do you expect from 8ch?

>>4561

>I guess that common sense isn't something reserved for /pol/

The state of the world today could almost fool me about that.

>But well, what do you expect from 8ch?

I've finally dropped the habit of checking it.

Some meme master should honestly put Smiley on Huey Emmerich's face when he gets exiled from Diamond Dogs. The self delusion is on very similar levels.

>>4561

> their old thread on 8ch/fringe/

https://web.archive.org/web/20151230002625/http://8ch.net/fringe/res/58919.html

>>4570

Thanks. Good times.

>>4534

>1) demons

>2) naturally mean bullies

>3) collect souls and use them as pets or energy sources

>4) rip people off if they can get away with it

>5) want to control the world

Oh geez, what a surprise that these exact points are near one-on-one with the traits and points that the malevolent alliance of extraterrestrials that keep this floating rock a prison planet.. surely they have nothing in common, right? /sarcasm.

I was right, this is just another program by the legions of Yahweh to further the grips on gullible souls and thereby exert more influence over planet Earth. Not only did they make it as blatant by using the bible as factual source (which should be red flags for everyone), they also just flat out state their intentions - that makes sure everyone who still follows them up to that point is a born traitor and ready to be used as a pawn.

>The good part is: succubus are now recruiting and you can join.

The people that these programs target are really the lowest common denominator. Driven by sexual lust, these humans turn their back on their own very species, all for a bit of sexual satisfaction. Despicable degeneracy, these people should be executed would they not reconcile their destructive and subversive endeavors - for they are no more but literal traitors.

Besides:

>It's been openly stated on linked websites that succubus are

Stop implying that all succubi are like that. That's blatantly false. Satanic succubi do not want to control the world or steal energy/souls. They wish to see humanity empowered and act like actual wives - and will truly help in the ascension to Godhood of their mate. They don't act like subversie Jewish whores who wish to see the Gentile races of earth at their knees, like the ones you advertise do.

>>4431

>selfish satanic asshole you are

Right, how selfish of me to point out subversion and deception that truly selfish non-human beings push on us human spiritual folk. What is wrong with you?

>might you also come up with another way

Look buddy, if you had perhaps used those eyes of yours, you'd have seen I came up with an alternative in >>3636

>>4827

It's true many beings do not like the Collective, but none of this matters.

The Collective has survived the destruction of many universes and seeing new ones created and destroyed again.

We are simply offering a chance for beings of this current universe to avoid this destruction and live on, untouched.

While you are talking of reincarnation, and leaving this cycle, you are still not leaving the cycle of the universe's life and death. This is what we offer our members.

>>4831

>hypothetical bullshit about universes dying and rebirthing.

Even if that was true, to think that these beings you align yourself with are the only ones capable of surviving something like that is ignorant. Its not something exclusive - if they can, everyone can with the right know how. And if you don't believe they are the only ones capable of doing that, why align yourself with these beings who clearly aren't benevolent for your kind? What am I missing here? Or are you just naturally inclined to join up with destructive groups?

>We are simply offering a chance for beings of this current universe to avoid this destruction and live on, untouched.

I'm not buying it. You already stated that these beings are deceitful, want to 'control the world' and just want to use us as power sources. Why the fuck believe anything they say?

It also doesn't make a sense for a supposed collective that is capable of surviving the death and rebirth of the universe to be interested in 'controlling the world'.

>It's true many beings do not like the Collective, but none of this matters.

What a surprise after trying to enslave our species and many others, bringing ruin and degeneracy to my genetic brothers and sisters, spiritually degrading and enslaving my people, even flat-out committing genocide. What a fucking surprise.

>>4832

I'm right there with you fam against YHVH and whatnot but nevertheless:

>bringing ruin and degeneracy

People choose these things for themselves, if someone is willing to give out loosh for sex then so be it, I don't have a problem with that, why do you? Actually I think that denying people their freedom to indulge in whatever they want would be enslavement.

also

>le degeneracy meme

What do you mean by that? It's a meaningless term nowadays as anyone can call almost anything by this name. Is astral sex something degenerate in your eyes? Is physical sex?

>>4832

>to think that these beings you align yourself with are the only ones capable of surviving something like that is ignorant. Its not something exclusive - if they can, everyone can with the right know how.

Sure, but on the negative side there are not many. The Collective is the largest group here, your stance towards us only determines how limited you will be.

>Choose the membership route and you get support.

>Choose to be an ally (or join an ally, we do have them) and you will be left alone when encountering collective members.

>Choose to be independent and it's up to the individual succubus how they treat you. >Choose opposition and you will be suppressed on sight.

These are standard rules used by everyone.

A lot of people experience what they think is "hauntings" after contacting a collective succubus. This is a common misunderstanding. The "hauntings" - often experienced as threatening shadows in your room at night, hearing growls, even finding slimy substances in your bed. All these are because of the demons/malicious spirits being removed by the succubus. Most places have demons and ghosts of all sorts. A single succubus can kill/drive away all of them from your house. In the process they will attempt to fight the succubus, and this will result in manifestations like these.

This is an example to explain why opposition is unwise.

Another more concrete example:

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/fire_destroys_aleister_crowleys_former_occult_home_boleskine_house

Someone from a wizard group using the teachings of Crowley attempted attacking the Collective. One of the girls saw this and stopped them. On the "astral" side of this, she simply picked them up between two fingers and threw them in the lava stream. You can see yourself how it manifested over here.

Controlling the human world is the collective will, the individual reasons may vary. It's a point most succubus agree on.

How is this so strange? Isn't this the will of most humans with an ambition? Succubus exist on all levels, some below the human understanding of the world as well, for them, this is a natural desire. For those above, the reasons may be ideological.

>becoming succubus

This is my personal motivation. When I first time saw an image of a succubus I had a very strong experience, I may refer to it as religious of some sort. Those following buddhism want to be a buddha, so why would it be so strange to want to be a succubus?

The rest is part of the process, after determining your goal you naturally look for the means, right? Other people in occult circles may feel the same, so I want to give them this chance as well.

>bringing ruin and degeneracy

The Collective, when visiting the human world, are often perceived as very strict and modest in behaviour. Some people may misinterpret succubus as belonging to an evangelical christian group, the outward experience of meeting them is confusingly similar.

Degenerated behaviour will be preyed on, so succubus would quickly do away with any such tendencies. This is more hypothetical, because any being with such flaws couldn't be a succubus to begin with.

This is going to be a long one but please bear with me. After doing some research I'm not sure what I'm dealing with.

It started about 2 years ago before I found fringe and I was going through for lack of better terms a dark night of the soul. Feeling shitty about everything until one night when I was sleeping I felt a slight pressure on my upper abdomen. I opened my eyes and saw what looked like a purple fairy sitting on me. Tried to grab it but it disappeared, later I felt bad because I didn't want to scare it away. couple of months pass and I star seeing purple smoke like stuff when falling asleep which i think is phos·phene. I also start experiencing the night hag syndrome from time to time. I was still new to magic so it never occurred to me that some entity attached itself to me and also because I didn't suffer from any of the symptoms of negative entity attachment.

At one point got tried of reading about magic and and decided to summon succubus because it seemed the easiest. Try a bunch of stuff but nothing really happened no sexy dreams no random boners nothing. Then one night I get woken up by someone making a Pfffft noise. Of course when I looked around there was no one there, But I would try something different. Basically when I started to see the purple smoke stuff I talk to it with my thoughts then sure enough my dick turned rock hard but that was it.

Been doing this for awhile now I'll lie in bed, talk to it, get hard then it just stops there. Even when I visualize lewd stuff it doesn't seem to be effective. When I read about succubus stuff they say they have dreams with attractive women and have amazing sex etc, But with me that's not the case I rarely dream and when I do there usually isn't any sexy woman and if their is they don't look demonic in anyway. I tried asking it yes or no question but it feels like I'm just talking to myself.

So I'm at a lost as to what to do. I don't know whether its a succubus or something else. I don't know its name or if it even has one and no vision of what it looks like appears in my mind. Do I have to give her admin rights or something?

>>4967

It does sound like a succubus type entity is interested in you, and is trying different ways of communicating with you.

I don't have the dreams either, and no random boners or anything ever happened. What I get are complete mental images, like when visualizating or thinking about something.

For this to be possible, I think you need some mental space where they can manifest the image. Have you tried meditation? Just the standard sitting down in silence with eyes closed in lotus position is what I used for a long time.

Pic is an example I grabbed off the web.

I can't tell what it would be like to get your experiences though, I already did communication with spirits/dead people, long before I had any contact with succubus. Same things apply here, succubus connections are just much stronger.

Now they often come when I'm sitting down in some place for a while, sometimes they come to me at work and get on top of me. It's a complete physical sensation. I tell them to not come there but they make up arguments and tell me they won't disturb what I'm doing anyway and that they'll make it fast.

They stopped coming to me in bed for the most part, after I explained I need the sleep. They seem to respect this.

I often find small birds flying past me when going outside, and I get a slight feeling of a giggle in the trace of the bird's flight. Sometimes I hear wing flaps but see no bird. I'm not sure if those are birds or sounds of actual succubus.

>>4979

do mediation but not in lotus position and even then I feel slight sensations nothing over whelming like every other twat on the internet describes. Which lead to my confusion as to whether it was a succubus.

>>4990

Meditation isn't meant to cause the connection itself, it's an exercise in emptying your mind. Compared to weight lifting, the lifting itself is not the goal, what you develop in the form of control, strenght etc is.

With this empty space formed - over time - the succubus has something to aim at when projecting messages to you. If you're stuck thinking about whatever, your everyday thoughts will overrule any external communication and nothing will happen.

That's how I understand it anyway.

>>4833

>le degeneracy meme

>What do you mean by that? It's a meaningless term nowadays as anyone can call almost anything by this name.

Degeneration is the opposite of advancing and refining the soul. Its not only the polar opposite of evolution, its devolution but worse, as it can spawn unnatural mutations that are detrimental to not only the being in question themselves, but also others around as it has effect on the collective that the being in question is a part of.

Lets say you have a pristine apple in front of you. If not stored well, it will start to rot and become something else - it will decompose into a host of fungi and other mutations. This is on the physical level. Now the example of a human, if our bodies are not treated properly, we will start to rot physically over time as well. Yet this principle is not only confined to the physical plain. As we know; as within, so without. As above, so below. This means that if we don't properly take care of our soul on the spiritual level, or our morals and values on an emotional level, it will start to degenerate and rot over time just like anything else would.

I know you might disagree with me here, but I see recreational drugs as something degenerate. It has great implications not only on the physical level, as it fucks the natural chemistry of the body, but it also screws over your aura and energetic aetheric layer - or often called "aura" but I hate the new-age association with that. I'm running low on time but I'd love to expand upon this at a later point.

>Is astral sex something degenerate in your eyes? Is physical sex?

No, there is nothing wrong with the act of sex itself - as a matter of fact, its one the most crucial and ecstatic experiences one can experience (with the right partner and intention, of course). Its directly beneficial to the multiple bodies (spiritual, emotional, physical, etc). The problem is that sex is scared, its hugely misunderstood in today's age. The implications of having sex with a soul are far reaching, as you're creating an intimate link with the being you have intercourse with, one that is not easily removed. Its a direct bond you create. Now this isn't bad on its own, but in today's degenerate society, fucking everything and everyone is encouraged and that greatly hampers people in the long run when founding a family because there's so many bonds to so many different people that one cannot fully commit one's self to another. The topic of degeneracy is a huge, huge subject, and I'd love to write more about it but I have to leave right now. I'm looking forward to your response as greatly like you, indigo.

>>5131

Degeneration can be understood as a deviation from some ideal, whether an ideal of "the perfect human", or a personal ideal of given individual or a deviation from some natural state of race. I will be taking now about the first two, saving the last for the later part of my post.

The problem with comparing us, as we are now, to some "ideal human" is that no one is ideal at least yet, I hope. Thus, we are all degenerate and the term is meaningless, not to mention that some one, perfect ideal of humanity may not exist (and I strongly believe it does not) - instead there are just personal ideals we individually strive to become. In this case however, someone's ideal, viewed by the lenses of the ideal of someone other, may be considered "degenerate" by the latter person. In this case the term degeneration is just an invective and not some arbitrary term used to describe the advancement of the soul, so again - meaningless.

Now for the natural state of humanity.

>Lets say you have a pristine apple in front of you. If not stored well, it will start to rot and become something else - it will decompose into a host of fungi and other mutations.

The problem with this reasoning is that you assume that in the beginning we indeed have a pristine apple which we call "non-degeneration" or "ideal" but I've already used the word too much I'm afraid :^) but what does constitute this pristine apple, the perfect model for a human being?

Our views of what is or isn't "degenerate" have been twisted by the prevalent Christian (and in the bigger picture - Abrahamic) world view. For example - sexual monogamy, the usage of recreational drugs, homosexuality etc. In the natural human society there were diametrically different opinions about such matters.

For example, the cradle of humanity - ancient Sumer. The priests of the Queen of Heavens - Inanna were called Gala. Those Galas were often transsexual or gay and were involved in ritual prostitution. It wasn't considered degenerate, it was considered holy. Are we now living in a degenerate society because we don't have sacred gay prostitution anymore? There are many more examples of this (for example in India or in native American tribes) where someone who would be called "a degenerate" now, would have a special place in society, perhaps connected with worship and magic. So, either we ditch the concept of degeneration or split it into some "venerable degeneration" and "low degeneration" or stuff like that. But who exactly makes the rules which act is considered low or high?

Moreover, if we are talking about some moral or ethical qualities - these are all very subjective. Something which you consider degenerate can be not viewed as such by someone else. There is no objective and arbitrary way to establish such things.

My view is obviously influenced by my studies in the area of Eastern Occultism, namely Tantra. It is believed in this system that any experience is valuable and can lead to spiritual realization. The class of practitioners called viras (heroes) engage in taboo breaking rituals, which in Hindu society would be called extremely degenerate. The Aghori sect of Shiva worshipers take it to a whole new level. They believe that all the the experience is God. To deny the perfection of any moment, of any activity is to deny the Absolute. They self-mutilate, eat ashes and excrements.Tantra is a non-dual system and I consider whole universe a play of the Goddess Mahamaya. Be it physical or spiritual experience - it is still the Goddess, there is nothing unholy. I've been pursuing both my low desires connected to this world and spiritual and magical endeavors, it makes no difference.

>I know you might disagree with me here, but I see recreational drugs as something degenerate. It has great implications not only on the physical level, as it fucks the natural chemistry of the body, but it also screws over your aura and energetic aetheric layer

Perhaps I'm actually one of the few persons on this board who have experienced it for themselves. I've been doing drugs for a very long time, been doing opiates for the most part of the last 4 years and now I'm over a month clean. Tbh I didn't experience any degeneration, not on the physical and not on any other level. In fact, the most powerful magical experiences I had were during my addiction. Nevertheless I don't deny the possibility. I've been doing self-healing rituals this whole time and maybe this is why I didn't suffer from it that much. The only thing that was considerably weakened in the process was my motivation, but then again it is possible that there was other cause for that. In any case doing drugs didn't prevent me from using magic and using it to prevent most negative effects you describe. Addiction to drugs isn't something favorable on the path of course and it was only because of my weakness I've descended into it.

Some other personal experience I might share - especially on the old /fringe/ people used to write that homosexuality is something detrimental to the progress and stuff like that, but I'm bisexual and never experienced any drawbacks from liking boys. Can it be considered degenerate? Of course, but how does degeneration actually stop one from progressing?

>Degeneration is the opposite of advancing and refining the soul.

My degeneration never stopped me from advancing and refining myself. I hold my view that any experience can be a highway to power if one is capable of wielding it. Of course, this path is very slippery! One should be extremely careful while treading it, but it is also very fun and brings great power.

If we assume that this statement is indeed true:

>Degeneration is the opposite of advancing and refining the soul.

then we must ask ourselves what really constitutes degeneration then. In any case the term wouldn't be arbitrary and unified for every person. Can someone advance while being degenerate (perhaps even using degeneration to advance)? Of course. Can someone lost oneself because of the degeneration? Of course. It's a matter of finding a suitable path and using it to advance. Whatever that path might be.

In addition, I want to add that I myself also wish for a steady companionship with some boy or a girl and not just crazy sex. Does that mean that I automatically assume that my desires in this area are of somewhat higher quality than people who only think about getting laid? I don't, if it suits them and it's something they would benefit from then it's all good in my book.

>>5136

Also, there was a thread a while back which touched the matters of degeneration and stuff,

>>2491

I posted there a short essay about transgressive rituals in Śakta Tantra, if anyone is interested.

Also, I know that many of you don't like Thelema but it was a nice read for me anyway

http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib90.html

it touches on degeneration too

>>5136

I disagree with your definition of degeneration - even though I understand where you are coming from. You see, I approach it from the most objective sense as possible, not the subjective sense in terms of what one deems to be the perfect state of being - an ideal, as you noted out. Let me explain.

>but what does constitute this pristine apple, the perfect model for a human being?

No, apples aren't conscious and neither do they possess a soul like us so that automatically makes it a less-then-perfect model of comparison - I meant to take their ripe state as an example for a pristine condition, one that can lose its pristineness.

>In this case however, someone's ideal, viewed by the lenses of the ideal of someone other, may be considered "degenerate" by the latter person.

>Something which you consider degenerate can be not viewed as such by someone else.

You speak from the perspective that degeneration and its polar opposite are solely confined to one's view of what should be an ideal of a 'perfect state' - something only in concept. This is where I disagree. There is concrete objective proof (to whatever extend objectiveness counts) in reality that I base the definition of degeneration on.

The fact of the matter is, is that the apple (or whatever substitute) will rot without proper care. There are no concepts or ideals involved - the state of the apple changes and will become a host for fungi and mutate. The same thing happens with the body if not taken proper care of - it withers and decays over time. As within, so without. As above, so below - and thus its the exact same for all of your bodies - including the emotional, spiritual, energetic, and physical. And all these bodies are intricately linked. What this means that the improper nutritioning and caretaking of the aforementioned bodies will simply and without question affect the soul in a detrimental way - this is degenerating. This simply IS - there are no ideals or concepts involved.

Now that we've defined that as our basis for degeneration, let us continue.

>Our views of what is or isn't "degenerate" have been twisted by the prevalent Christian (and in the bigger picture - Abrahamic) world view. For example - sexual monogamy, the usage of recreational drugs, homosexuality etc. In the natural human society there were diametrically different opinions about such matters.

To some extend, I agree. But that is because there are so many slabs of labels stacked upon what is degenerated and not that the entire definition of degeneration has, ironically, degenerated. :^) The pool of what is and what isn't has become polluted, a perfect example of this is on /pol/.

>Those Galas were often transsexual or gay and were involved in ritual prostitution

>Some other personal experience I might share - especially on the old /fringe/ people used to write that homosexuality is something detrimental to the progress and stuff like that

To continue on my explanation of degeneration - as in, something that would detrimentally affect any of the bodies, heed the following:

- There is nothing wrong with polygamy if all partners involved are okay with it - its natural and often occurring that beings desire this, non-human beings included. All throughout the universe this is common. In my other post, I merely outlined how unaware people were about the implications of sex, because there are severe metaphysical consequences of having sex. The problem is that most of these people that fuck anything and everyone in today's society are, by nature most of the time, monogamists. This leads to problems because of the lingering metaphysical connections they have with previous partners.

- There is nothing degenerate about homosexuality - or whatever sexual orientation you align yourself with, and I sincerely mean that. This too, is represented in plenty of other beings throughout the universe and is NOT unhealthy.

None of the points above directly degenerate any of the bodies - and no one will be able to prove otherwise. I dare anyone to do so.

Now an example of degeneration. Human beings are by nature altruistic beings - of course this varies from race to race in our species, with the Caucasian race being the most prominent, but we still all are. Therefor, senseless hate and the enjoyment of seeing things in pain and causing pain with the intent of inciting unwanted pain in the other is is what I call degeneration. Capitalism too (sponsored and set-up by ZOG), is anti-human by its non-altruistic stance towards the members of society, and this is an example of how even more degeneration is forced upon us. Born into this system, we're forced to make money over other people their backs. This has been drilled into our minds from a young age. Yes, forced degeneration, the thing I talked about earlier.

>In addition, I want to add that I myself also wish for a steady companionship with some boy or a girl and not just crazy sex. Does that mean that I automatically assume that my desires in this area are of somewhat higher quality than people who only think about getting laid? I don't, if it suits them and it's something they would benefit from then it's all good in my book.

The boy and girl in question who do just want to have crazy sex might suffer from complications later on in life with future partners are they are unable to fully bond with their to-be mates because of the lingering connections. Its reckless to just have "crazy sex" without stopping to think what this will bring in the future. Problem is the lack of concrete information presented to these people of what happens in the act of sexual unification. Why? Because of a forced degenerated society - sponsored by Yahweh and co.

I might have missed some points, I didn't sleep last night so my reply is probably really messy. Sorry for that.

>>5138

With all this talk on chans about degeneration it's hard to see degeneration in a different light than sex/gay stuff (especially that originally this discussion started with succubi and sex). Thanks for reminding me of different perspective.

>Therefor, senseless hate and the enjoyment of seeing things in pain and causing pain with the intent of inciting unwanted pain in the other is is what I call degeneration

We can agree on that.

>Capitalism too (sponsored and set-up by ZOG), is anti-human by its non-altruistic stance towards the members of society

And on that.

Anyway, I see now what you mean and I agree. Maybe not completely agree, because even in nature there must be balance. Creation, preservation and dissolution. Maybe in some cases degeneration, as in dissolution of forms, is necessary to advance, to allow something new in the place of the old, but indeed no spiritual or magical feat is achieved without the necessary will and without paying attention to stuff going on above the physical. Everything that erodes those abilities can be considered degenerate. That's the definition of degeneration I can actually agree on.

>Yahweh and co.

I respect and I like you mate. Sometime in the future when the humanity gets up from it's knees, if there will be a great astral battle with yhvh and his legions our perfected souls will fight side by side in the first line! :^)

Nice talking with you.

>>5144

>That's the definition of degeneration I can actually agree on.

I meant like, degeneration in it's social and spiritual meaning. Because technically speaking then yeah, degeneration is just the dissolution of forms.

I have nothing to add to this discussion of degeneracy, but I find it interesting. I've recently gone from a fairly alone straightedge NEET to partying hedonist and I cannot decide on how I view it. I think this "degeneracy" is okay in moderation, even if not good for me, provided I still study and work with magick when not participating. Eventually I will likely have to give up the hedonism because I cannot imagine still being hedonist much later in my life.

That being said, I do feel less magickal ability when I'm more focused on mundane "degenerate" things. These days I care less for studying and my meditations are rushed. Like >>5136 said, the path is clearly very slippery, and I am falling off. But I don't think mundane pleasures should be entirely avoided, even if they're not great for you. Why would I put myself on this earth to avoid pleasure when I can do so without harming my studies?

>>5160

Stop caring about 'degeneracy'.

Power is all that truly matters.

Do what you want but watch your back.

Sacrificing the acquistion of power for mere pleasure does bring forth weakness.

There is no excuse for laziness.

Cost–benefit analysis etc.

Love is the ultimate form of power and pleasure.

>>5164

Obvious follow-up question:

How2Power?

And

>Love is the ultimate form of power and pleasure.

I Agree

P.S. I Know It's A Shit Question, But To Get So Many Individual Interpretations Is So Great!!!! TeHeHe =))

>>5138

I'm wondering about homosexuality in particular, if it's natural (considering a hermaphrodite is how the equilibrium between the masculine and feminine is portrayed) why does the jew push for things like gender fluidity and fag acceptance?

I already know the /pol/ answer but I'd like to hear an esoteric theory of the matter.

>>5174

>I already know the /pol/ answer but I'd like to hear an esoteric theory of the matter.

I'm not so sure there is an esoteric reason, other than obvious effects of keeping a population weak and under control.

Divide and conquer may be all it is. It's not like zionists invented transgenderism or anything, they just use whatever can create strong opposites. If people are fighting each other within a nation they are easily controlled.

>>5174

>why does the jew push for things like gender fluidity and fag acceptance

You see, there is a repeating pattern. The Jew takes an existing concept or attribute and corrupt and subvert it into something that is almost completely deviated from its original roots. They do this with as many concepts, groups, societies, attributes as they can lay their filthy hands on. What they do next is pitch these movements/whatever against one another and keep these subverted movements in constant conflict - what this does is make people even MORE distant and repulsed from the ORIGINAL attributes/concepts/what have you PLUS it keeps people in an eternal state of conflict with their own kin. Its that simple. Divide and conquer.

>I'm wondering about homosexuality in particular

Homosexuality is having both feminine and masculine aspects within the soul - more then other souls. These people are not meant for procreation but for other means, because they are not occupied with breeding and procreation as heterosexual would they can and will greatly contribute to other aspects of society with their enhanced capability of creating using both the masculine and feminine energies. Or so - this used to be the case in time of the ancients. The Jews corrupted all this into "pink fag" shit that bears no relevance that was before - its simple subversion.

>>5164

>Stop caring about 'degeneracy'.

>There is no excuse for laziness.

Laziness is degenerate. Its the incapability or lack of motivation to further advance or develop. It hurts all the bodies as one will wither over time.

>Power is all that truly matters.

>Love is the ultimate form of power and pleasure.

All emotions have their place and none is superior above the other - yet everything must be in balance. This notion that love is somehow more powerful is bullshit. Try to project love at a reptilian that is in process of mutating your body and lets see how far you can get with that attitude. Or look at it this way - if there's an invading bacterial force in your body, what does your body do? It REPULSES AND FIGHTS this infection - not fucking love it. If your body behaved in the way that "love is the ultimate form of power" then you'd be fucking dead by now. You've fallen for the most often fallen for new-age corrupted concept.

>>5167

>How2Power?

Meditate and advance the energy body is the foremost thing you should do.

>>5144

>Maybe in some cases degeneration, as in dissolution of forms, is necessary to advance, to allow something new in the place of the old

Yes - that is exactly correct. It should be a turning point or source of motivation - something that will induce change, positive at that.

>I respect and I like you mate.

As do I you, my friend.

>if there will be a great astral battle with yhvh and his legions our perfected souls will fight side by side in the first line! :^)

Many of my kind, Spiritual Satanists, already do. We are fighting their legions as we speak. You want to help? Reverse Torah Rituals. Nullify the spells cast upon humanity. The effects of our efforts are clearly visible in today's world - as you might have noticed, the kikes are losing their grip and knowledge about Jews and Reptilians collaborating to enslave our species are becoming more widespread every day. We will persevere, indigo. And we will meet.

>Nice talking with you.

Its always a pleasure to converse with you, my friend.

>>5200

>>5208

Well then I guess there's no problem with gassing the nu-homos that use it as an outlet for their degenerate perversions. Doesn't look like the shit stirrers of today, with some exceptions like indigo, have any desire of spiritual advancement.

>>5210

They are just 'victims' of subversion and they fell for it. A failure to revert the degeneration they suffer from will result in certain death and decay. The unfortunate part is that they take the rest of society with them. Besides, I don't think the majority of homosexuals are as the media portrays - because you know who runs the show there.

>>5213

I like to think of it as trimming diseased branches of a tree. To some it may look like I'm cutting off branches for no real reason but it's necessary for the survival of the tree as a whole.

>>5222

That's a good analogy, anon. Too bad we have so many 'tree huggers' that sperg out. :')

>>4434

it was pope Sylvester

>>2715

This PDF is the first in a planned series of short articles elaborating aspects of the path.

>>5496

New PDF released. These 2 will be enough for beginners.

Following parts of the Infernal series will include

>horns

>tail

>possibly a summary of demonic relations

At a later time a Heavenly series will be added.

>>5552

These are short articles. They include all that's needed on each subject, the collective wanted them this way. They are meant for easy sharing.

Anyone have any books on the subject?

>>5553

They're pretty useless anon.

>>5566

Longer texts doesn't mean there is more content.

>>5496

>>5546

sounds sexy

>>7491

>having this weak of willpower

This is where armchair occultism leads you, to having a moderate deal of power you do not understand at all and fucking your shit up because you don't know how to deal with anything due to undeveloped Will.

Armchair occultism, not even once.

>>4451

The ritual is half the magic, at least the 4 first times.

You have to be conscious to understand why this is important.

Since this thread was bumped I am going to post my question here. I know that normally I should use the question thread, but this is very specific.

From what I could gather there was some disagreement on the methods OP suggested and big part of the discussion was not directly related to summoning a succubus.

I have been developing my astral senses, but I don't think it will ever become as strong as physical touch.

Is there a way to summon a succubus into the physical world(feeling like touching a real woman, etc)? If so, how to do that? Please provide details on the method.

Also, if there is a way to summon anything else into the physical world it would be great too.

>>8270

have you gotten to know s succubus and asking really nicely?

>>8270

If you follow the link in this post there's an old discussion about this topic

>>2717

The PDF in the OP suggests it is very much possible as well.

The problem is the part about anthing summoned appearing right before you. It normally won't happen. They'll appear in some everyday setting when you least expect it, and in the case of succubus that quite effectively eliminates and chance of "getting physical" as far as my experiences go. But then you may have different reasons for the summoning and my primary goals are different so maybe you shouldn't take it 100% from my what I say.

I didn't use a ritual, I went by my awareness only, found one and asked her to come.

>>8271

No i haven't. I never got to know a succubus closely and asked that. Have you done that? Did it work? If so, could you please share your methods and story?

>>8277

Alpam said to avoid the PDF in OP. I summoned them but still couldn't feel them without astral senses.

Everyday setting would be great as well, but I am already trying to manifest a sexual encounter, so it don't think it would very different.

My primary goals is are pleasure and making occult feats as close to the "physical world" as possible.

>>8283

I believe it depends a lot on what you really desire deep inside. They read your mind and give you what you want, but that doesn't mean you get what you ask for in words. They have a tendency of misunderstanding things in the most unexpected ways.

I guess physical sex isn't a big deal for me and they know this. There was a guy over at the (now closed) Ryan's forum who wrote about his experiences with a succubus who appeared right before him, physically in his room. Maybe some would yell RP at this, but there was a certain "dumbness" over the way he retold it which made it sound very credible. I think this was the reason it worked for him, I don't think that guy was very bright. He just did it and it worked, and didn't question or speculate about it. Tthe succubus was called Cinnamon or something similar.

He used "summoning spirits" by konstantinos, a book labeled as crap by most people. (

http://www.magicgatebg.com/Books/Summoning%20Spirits%20by%20Konstantinos.pdf)

But if his story is true, it kinda confirms it's all about your mindset, intent and if you believe in it, not what specific method you use.

What is the benefit of using rituals? They honestly just seem too edgy for me. I want a succubus to visit me but the way I always get things done is just sitting and setting out the thought.

To be fair, unexpected shit happens all the time but I'm surrounded by people all the time and I don't want pic related to happen.

>>8344

Rituals are for simpletons who want to delude themselves. It's literally bullshit occultism roleplay. Just look at this cringy shit.

>>8358

Yup yup point taken

>>8344

>What is the benefit of using rituals?

https://succubuscollective.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/contacting-the-collective/

Hey, wanted to see if anyone on Fringe with questions, info, stories, or tutorials wanted to join a discord server dedicated to Succubus and Incubus summoning and relationship.

Cheers.

>>10259

https://discord.gg/wFDuZDN

Tyg, doesn't expire. Would be great to have experienced succumancers and incumancers :)

Just reading the "collective" website then I got to apart where they just say they wipped the reptilians away easy peasy like a non-issue pretty much tha they weren't even aware.

Y-yes goy, the lizards aren't a problem, this totally isn't a honey pot and I do not have scales n-nor anything! We're totally just transcendent free spirits only interested in giving your disgusting fat human ass the sexy times of your life, promise!

Now now, how about some of this kool-aid, my good goiym?

>>10261

If you have a problem with lizards it's because you want them there. Those assigned to individuals are still there because it's a mutual relation.

If you can't sense that their main base has been cleared you need to raise your awareness.

>>10261

https://spirittrainchronicles.com/2015/10/03/a-strange-encounter/

http://succubus.hypeforum.net

if anyone is interested in a site on succubi where the moderation won't send his circle jerk to derail what they don't like.

If anyone wants to join a new succubus server

https://discord.gg/hdP5SNn

>>2715

an alternative,people can choose their paths

PLEASE do not cast demons just to get sexytime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurl_haunting

>>10955

A succubus could remove such a demon easily.

>>10893

Can you post another invite?

after what I saw happen to that anon with the giantess tulpa, I'm leary of summoning or creating any kind of spiritual being/entity for sexual purposes.My gut instinct says thats a can of worms I dont want to open

>>11179

>after what I saw happen to that anon with the giantess tulpa

Story pls

>>11180

>>11179

>>11182

Tulpa shit has nothing to do with succubus.

It even says in the basic manuals like the one at tulpainfo that tulpas are willed hallucinations, and that doing this carelessly can lead to serious mental illness. Pls don't bring this crap in here.

>tl:dr

>We are going by the definition of "succubus" as a complete independent entity whose attention we can gain by the performance of certain rituals. It's aimed at communication with an external' entity, not something created by your own mind.

>>11207

but succubi never physically manifest, they simply plant the relevant qualia in your mind - in layman terms they only appear to you - and that means it is technically the same. feel free to read beyond the basic manuals.

>>11235

You are a succubus expert?

^

Honestly that's how it feels, it wouldn't of bothered me if other methods were also recommended besides joining jos and some some /x/ threads. I myself left so it might have changed a little in that time though.

>>11408

Not saying anything about jos itself, they aren't bad people, just that I personally feel other methods should be also be there to those that join the server.

>>11409

If you dig through /sig/ - #links you can find some earlier dating information. There is access to some information that is a bit rare, and you're welcome to use and discuss it, but be advised that not everyone will accept it.

>>11452

The server is intended for discussion of succubi, incubi, and their impersonators or entities that try to fill a similar niche. If you have experiences with something non-demonic, and you can prove that it is benevolent, then by all means defend it in /sig/.

Reminder that the Collective is a trap to deceive curious souls, steal away the spiritual benefits of sexuality, and ruin souls with corruption and imprisonment. If you make any deals with Collective spirits you are signing up to be tortured if ever you do not follow closely their standards. You will be used for multiplying, invading, and corrupting, then when you have no more use you will be tossed away. You will not become a goddess as they advertise. You will become a sword or a battery in their clutches. *A weak sword that will break against the will of a real Succubus or Incubus from Hell.

>>11453

I get it, a server for discussion of different methods but if I may just point out how it could easily be Construed as pushing jos method.

such as the recruitment thread on /x/

http://boards.4chan.org/x/thread/18460444

I'm not sure if he is part of the recruitment but the tripanon Succubus warlord is pushing pretty heavy for the jos angle and saying other succubi groups will just destroy anons.

>>11587

>>11602

Typical cuckchanners.

>>11604

you didn't address the question

>>11612

I'm sorry, I didn't see the question.

>>11182

this is just sick

how is this beneficial for him?

This is uncomfortable, but fuck it.

Can a succubus help with erection problems? I've been having issues for quite some time and I want something more intense and more permanent than any motherfucking pills.

>>12944

I have no experience of it but I would think it depends on what is causing it. If it's psychological it can probably be helped.

The question is what you're going to use it for, succubus have their own values and don't really understand sex "for fun", so there may be a problem to motivate someone to help you unless you can give proper arguments.

They are curious but they have a different view than us and don't understand human culture. I'm thinking the way forward here is to use a standard simple method

>wait until night

>stay in a dark room

>light a candle and/or incense

>visualize the succubus you want to contact strongly in detail

>repeat a short phrase of your choice to express your wish

This should be enough to bring attention from one, if you manage to get a reply you can percieve (mental images, words) you can bring up the issue. Remember to offer something in return, or ask for the price or she won't help you even if you get her to understand your problem.

>>12946

>Remember to offer something in return

Like what?

>>12946

>Remember to offer something in return, or ask for the price or she won't help you even if you get her to understand your problem.

So I have to pay for it. She won't care, and will only be interested from a purely mercenary standpoint.

I was right. I'm completely alone in an uncaring universe, all because of something I can't control. There's no one out there who will want to help out of kindness and being upset at the injustice of my situation.

Well, thanks for confirming that I need to kill myself, I guess.

stop with the bullshit, can you suggest a summon method?

>>12985

Cut your cock off and use it to draw a pentacle. Then stand in the middle of it and let all of your lifeblood seep into it, you will turn into a demon and become immortal.

>>12987

I don't wanna to become a demon tought. I just want a nice demon to fuck.

>>12946

this seems to me a way to create a Tulpa more than to summon a succubus. And fucking Tulpa is fucking dangerous.

>>12972

Offer something of equal value (in your subjectlive view). It doesn't have to be something material, it can be situation related. Feelings or other social things may also have a value to non-physical entities who can't access them. You can offer her lunch. If sometime during the week a person wants you to pay their lunch, you do so. That was her arranging it, and she will recieve it. That's just an example, there are endless possibilies.

>>12973

>She won't care, and will only be interested from a purely mercenary standpoint.

If she shows up, she already cares. But anything done will have a cost, because interaction with the world requires burning energy of some kind, and it must be compensated for. She needs to get a surplus out of, or it won't work. Do you also expect free treatments at the doctor, and he shouldn't get paid because he "cares"? He still needs to eat.

> being upset at the injustice of my situation

Did someone cause your problem by an unjust act? That's a different thing and would be a more attractive deal. Demons are good at debt collecting and similar "mafia" activities. If this is the case you should say so.

>>12985

see

>>12946

>>12989

>this seems to me a way to create a Tulpa

refer to tulpa.info and you'll see that it isn't

>>3652

A.

>Get rekt by trips

B.

>Fuck off with your blind hatred, you're no better than 'the filthy niggers' you know and love so much.

Go away scum of the earth.

>>12987

Maybe you should try that, Alpam.

Since you're so butthurt. :^)