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Tired of all the endless wordy books that take 100 pages to get to the point? Well then this thread is just what you're looking for.

This is my ponderings and conclusions about various spiritual, & (meta)physical aspects of reality & consciousness. I don't often write because often some one else has already written some good on the subject and I'd rather link that, however from time to time I become learned enough of a subject where the subject materiel either does not seem to exist or at least is not commonly known or is just excessively long. I like my information in concise form, straight to the heart of the issue, the mechanics of how and why.

Who am I? Truth seeker, scientist, engineer, scholar, philosopher, healer, mystic, & wizard. One who is piecing together a more complete view of reality, the universe, and how it works on every level.

How did this paradigm form? My search started from/with the common thread of truth I found that runs through all religions, belief systems, & philosophies. While, I know this is not exactly a precise description of what I believe, but it is certainly an accurate description of where the path is to be found.

What is this? My spiritual/philosophical beliefs are a mix of: My own personal findings and data points of tested, experienced, and occasionally logically extrapolated into truth, Quantum Physics, Shamanism, Syncretism, Animism, (Pan)psychism, Astrology, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, Paganism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Pantheism, Polyatheism, Deism, Transcendentalism, New Age, and furthermore a number of more "scientific" systems including Morphic Resonance, Aether Theory/Theory of Dynamic Gravity, Zero Point/Unified Field Theory, Vortex Mathematics, (Sacred) Geometry, Cymatics, Electric Universe and probably many other things I don't even have names for.

Know this, beyond all else, seek and ye shall find, and remember to be persistent in your search.

I also keep my musings archived on http://sagin-denaka.tumblr.com/

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein

I awoke, only to see the rest of the world is still asleep. - Leonardo da Vinci

There is no way to peace; Peace is the Way. There is no way to happiness; Happiness is the Way. There is no way to love; Love is the Way. There is no way to enlightenment; Enlightenment is the Way. - Unknown

If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself, if you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation. - Lao Tzu

Be the change that you wish to see in the world. - Mahatma Gandhi

On the meaning of life

To grow. To develop. To become more than you were before in every aspect. Physically, energetically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. To expand your perspective to the horizon, and then, to do it again ad infinitum. To become aware of everything you have seen in an intimate way. To become the complete self-realized God in every way. And then to grow.

You can not transcend what you do not know. To go beyond youself, you must know yourself. - Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

Man know thyself; then thou shalt know the Universe and God. - Pythagoras

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Shakespeare

To find yourself, think for yourself. - Socrates

If you always put a limit on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. - Bruce Lee

On enlightenment

Enlightenment is understanding that you are not your thoughts, but the awareness of the thoughts themselves. Enlightenment is understanding you have right to exist, because you do exist. And so does everything, and every one else in existence. It is knowing and seeing truth, which is everything that is, with out any preconceived ideas or notions being put on top of circumstances. Enlightenment is shining your light, sharing your truth, expressing yourself and consciously participating in reality in your highest way. It is choosing growth over stagnation even if it causes you discomfort. It is ask questions, and questioning the answers and the assumptions they are based upon, and then, always asking more questions. It is making decisions, and then letting go and trusting that decision. It’s acknowledging when you've made a mistake, and hurt some one, or broke something and then cleaning up your mess. It’s taking responsibility for yourself and all of your actions. It’s the understand you are not alone and the kingdom of heaven is within and that anything is possible.

Make to mistake about it – enlightenment is a destructive process. It has nothing to do with becomming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing through the facade of pretense. It's the complete eradication of everything we imagined to be true. - Adyashanti

Enlightenment consists not only of seeing luminous shapes and visions, but in making the darkness visible. The latter procedure is more difficult, and therefore, unpopular. - Carl Jung

Everything is possible. The impossible just takes longer. - Dan Brown

He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. - Albert Einstien

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. - Marcel Praust

A ship is safe in a harbor, but that is not what ships are for. - John A. Sheed

On transjectivity and the limitations of science

While there certainly does seem to be a science (and an art) to spirituality/magic, because the scientific method only values objective proof, it has by very definition confined it self to the 3rd density of reality otherwise known as physicality or materiality. There are things beyond this, but in science's truce with the church of old they refuse to look further. At times views from a true rigorious science are even dismissed out of hand as pseudoscience for the reason of defying the box (main stream) science has placed it self within (i.e., that of excluding consciousness and the higher realms). To the strictly material eye, there are things that just are. They may do this, or act like that, or then produce this, but within the confines and limitations of no-spooky-action-at-a-distance-physical-only-universe it is unexplainable as to why.

Another thing bothered me, there was no realistic way to independently verify most data, I just had to 'take it on faith' from authority that what was said was the absolute truth. I would almost likely never have access to all of the varying the equipment to do the experiments myself. As I tried to discern the nature of reality I came to a realization is that personal experiential/spiritual/mystical knowledge, obtained first hand, is more ‘true’ than scientific knowledge. Since science (as presently conceived) only represents one aspect of our world, the physical and by it’s compartmentalized view of reality, it can not connect the dots because they literally lay beyond the definitions of science itself. A unified science is needed, a synthesize of religion/spirituality and science.

The further I dive into spirituality, the more oneness I find. It ways I could never conceive of conceiving of before. The illusion of reality, the way consciousnesses, awareness, and how freewill(power) effects reality, or your personal realm, the way this current reality (what you experience the majority of the waking time) with other consciousness is actually just really a co-created consensus, agreed upon (even only subconsciously) among the people for the sake of generating a spiritual matrix*, a consistent reality for us to grow and develop in.

The path of the mystic takes into account both the physical, and the spiritual, which by extension includes the astral, aetheric, and all other perspectives (timelines/planes/realms). Furthermore you can independently verify everything, since it’s a personal experience by it’s very nature.

*(from Latin matrix [“dam, womb”], from mater [“mother”])

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. - Buddha

The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. - Daniel Boorstin

I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts. - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Truth is elusive for those who refuse to see with both eyes. - Unknown

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Arthur Conan Doyle

Unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. - Marcus Aurelius

Too many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. - Thomas Hildern

The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all previous centuries of its existance. - Nikola Tesla

On emotional mastery through music

Music has been invaluable to me in training and cultivating my mental-emotional landscape. It helps you with the experience of certain specific states of consciousness depending on the song, it's vibrational content, and how you perceive it. Take a song and you can meditate on it, clear your mind and truly focus on and be aware of it. Or you can turn it into a mantra riding the current of loosh and or sing.

You can also vibrate yourself (vocal cords), aumming or humming and just feel for where it simulates your body and notice how that effects your consciousness.

Examples;

http://soundcloud.com/random-rab/random-rab-release-release-lp

http://soundcloud.com/azedia/requiem-for-the-new-world

Personally I advise you pay very close attention to what sort of music you have in your mental diet and only choose songs with a positive moral-emotional-vibrational content and lyrics that do not clash or otherwise affirm that which you do not wish to be. However, the whole gamut can be useful for experience and exploration, I just would not recommend you make it a regular habit.

http://montalk.net/metaphys/265/soul-resonance-and-music

Goes into further detail on the subject, breaking down personal tastes and how they are related to the individual, the their culture, and the music's intrinsic vibration and emotional properties.

[He] who looks outside, dreams. [He] who looks inside, awakens. - Carl Jung

Instinct is something which transcends knowledge. We have, undoubtedly, certain finer fibers that enable us to perceive truths when logical deduction, or any other willful effort of the brain, is futile. - Nikola Tesla

No tree, is is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell. - Carl Jung

On reality manifestation

You can metaphysically attract your desires though reality manifestation. You see the universe isn’t this mechanistic, deterministic, objectivistic thing that western science thinks, and preaches that it is. Science like any other belief system only represents just a way of viewing reality.

>Prerequisite understanding.

The universe is vibrating at a molecular/quantum level. And everything has a frequency that it’s vibrating at.

All thoughts, feelings, sensations, & emotions have different vibrations. The higher the vibration (the frequency of yourself, your mind, your soul, or aura) the better things feel. While lower vibrations feel bad. These vibrational emminations aren't of your physical body but of our energy bodies.

If you learn to consciously control what you think, feel, etc. you can start to change your internal mental-emotional landscape at will. Cultivate mastery of every aspect of yourself, e.g., physically, mentally, emotionally, imaginatively, energetically, spiritually. Once achieved you can start to manifest through the law of attraction by selective resonation.

Another necessary step is to maintain present moment awareness, for only from there can you act in a non-causal way (i.e., you only have free will in the present moment). For all actions based in or on the past are causal, and thus deterministic. All ego is based/programmed on the past. Be present, be aware, and then be increasingly more aware.

>Manifesting

The nature of what we experience is unimaginably vast… and perhaps arguably not even communicable via a metaphor as weak as language. Suffice to say, you have to be fully (meta&physically) aligned if you want this to work well (brute or unaligned force may work, however not nearly as efficiently). This means, realizing, recognizing, locating, and removing or routing out of any and all negative belief systems (i.e. free your mind.) This may be the hardest step of the process.

Hold an ‘image’ in your mind’s eye, picture it, feel it (tactily, energetically, and emotionally), smell it, taste it, hear it, imagine every aspect it you possibly can. Meditate on this, holding it in your mind's eye, and experiencing it in as much detail as possible as you maintain the present moment focus.

What you are doing is by intentionally resonating the vibration of what you desire you are manifesting it via the law of attraction (viz. the probabilistical influencing of quantum mechanical variables resulting in said object being butterfly effecting out towards you). Be aware though, the opposite is also true. If you (over)indulge in negative emotions, you will just attract more of the same. However that is not to say negative emotions do not have their place and that purging yourself of them by their expression is inherently bad.

What you must further understand is that time in as illusion created by our inability to observe only but the present moment. In actuality every possible different configuration, of every possible different (fractal) ‘time-line’, of every possible different realm exists at the same simultaneously in superposition. Each moment, in it’s own position in the holographic matrix of reality.

Your movement from moment to moment awareness creates the illusion of (linear) time. What is really happening is your conscious awareness is always shifting in the directing of vibration (regardless of whether you’re aware of that or not.)

So you must not only have faith in your manifestations before they actually become manifest (else you will be sending vibrations out to the end of not going there, cus you believe you aren't), but you must also have persistence.

Thoughts & emotions do influence/create reality, but rarely do they create physical reality instantly due to the level of crystallization of consciousness at this level of existence compared to the power wielded by a native of this level. Things in/of higher order energies/higher densities of consciousness (i.e. aetheric, astral, mental, etc. energies) will be more immediately reactive to your conscious application of (free)willpower.

The more you resonate and the intensity of the vibration thereof will control the speed of manifestation. As you do this you will move towards the present moment you are manifesting and eventually you will merge with it. Note that every thought of every day also has a culminative 'background effect' as well.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand. - Albert Einstein

The logic behind magic is that we create what we are imagining. - Mary Faulkner

One man's magic is another man's engineering. Supernatural is a null word. - Robert A. Heinlein

Creativity is the vesica piscis of your imagination and a spark of inspiration. - Anon

Everything is energy and that’s all there is to it. Match the frequency of the reality you want and you cannot help but get that reality. It can be no other way. This is not philosophy. This is physics. - Bashar

At the beginning of time words and magic were one and the same. - Sigmund Freud

Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter. - Albert Einstein

To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. - Lao Tzu

On mundanes

People who are more ‘mundane’ (i.e., lower vibrationally, more causal, more reactionary, less free will, less awareness.) are less effected by the higher energies. They might not even feel their influence due to their subtle nature compared to the gross/crude nature of their awareness (but make to mistake, their subtle currents still propel them along until they learn to take control and impel themselves). Some are literally out of phase with some spectra of energies, some have been subconsciously or culturally trained not to recognize their telltale signs, or perhaps they think that they are something else, or nothing worth noting at all.

There are yet those who denounce even the possibility of such things (materalists) or even worse, they spread their need to hold onto what they (don't) know by denouncing others who have different views. In extreme forms this can take the from of mainstream science and psychology teaming up to say anyone varying from their clockwork-universe-and-flesh-robot view by labeling them as wrong/broken if they express an ability to perceive or transcend the (imagined) limitations of their tools and instruments by saying that individual is schizophrenic, synestesic, etc. and some how not only beneath the everyman but also not to be trusted.

The higher we soar, the smaller we appear to those who cannot fly. - Friedrich Nietzsche

The mystic and the schizophrenic find themselves in the same ocean, but whereas the mystic swims, the schizophrenic drowns. - R. D. Laing

Truth does not need people to understand it, but people need truth in order to really live. - Peter Plichta

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society - J. Krishnamurti

On awakening to oneness

As we go about our daily lives, from the outside it may appear as though we are all separate be-ings, divided and apart from one another, but this is not the truth. It is but the result of a delusion of awareness which creates the illusion of separation (maya). Too often we limit ourselves by thinking that the I, as the individualized piece of consciousness, is some how separate from the rest of the puzzle known as the universe, that some how the I can only can be defined as the horizon of our awareness, that we should obey that limit, and that furthermore it is actually impossible to extend our senses beyond the physical body of flesh and blood.

This is nonsense, yet it is what many, especially in the western world believe. On a socitial level we can logically and intellectually recognize the part the individual plays, and how they are intimately connected to the overall whole (6 degrees of separation), but without an understanding or experiential knowing of the energetic metaphysical undercurrents that flow betwixt us all, the axiom of 'All is One' seems but an analogy or abstraction.

So let me deliberate upon that now. One's essence, one's emotional state, one's mindscape, and even to a degree, one's physical form (especially when finely tuned), plays a subtle yet noticeable role in the prediction/prejudice of variables and how they unfold on a synchronitic quantum probable level, and not just within you, but without as well. This is not only in a law of attraction sort of way either, but also in that what ever vibrations you resonate to will also induce like sympathetic vibrations varying on intensity in that which is around you and vice versa.

However this phenomenon is not just limited to people, animals, plants, or even stones, while the all aforementioned have physical geometric feedback mechanisms, even (other wise) fully unconscious objections, such as cherished possessions and even structures and locations, with extended exposure to energy, will start to develop their own quantum bias (and thusly an intelligence, or consciousness), tinted in respect to what ever sort of vibrations they where historically exposed to and the intensity thereof. (This is most easily notable in plant experiments.)

In this, there is a web of life hidden beyond the veil of normal (physical) sense perception in a way that truly does bind us all together as one. As one becomes more intuitive and sensitive to these subtle changes in energy fields one can start to access truth as it is, and not as it appears. One can learn to empathize, or to literally feel and become intuitively connected to the universe directly, to people, to places and things in a way far richer than any written language could ever possibly permit, the experience of which literally lies beyond words.

Through exercise of these natural faculties of intuition, one can become adept at what is called tel-e(m)pathy or in other words, they can become capable of identifying the specific vibratory pattern of an emotion or thought that is radiated outward by people, etc. themselves as it is experienced by them internally. By doing this you become one with the object of your attention by merging (a bit of) your awareness with it. Through this one can 'talk to animals' or commune with nature as the ancients did.

Perhaps most usefully right now, this allows you to being able to see/feel people's true intentions and character. But it can be used for so much more, this is an amazing gift, and with proper use, discernment, and love, it will help guide you throughout all of life in this world, and beyond.

A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. - Albert Einstein

You have to take seriously the notion that understand the universe is your personal responsibility, because the only understanding of the universe that will be useful to you is your own understanding. - Terence McKenna

No man is an island, entire of it self; every man is a peace of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the lesser, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manner of thy friends or of thine own were; each mans death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. - John Dunne

In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order. - Carl Jung

On immortality

There are fundamentally 2 reasons death exists. One is the cause, the mechanics of why it happens, the other is it's role in life, the spiritual purpose of it. If one can address, and transcend both of these physical immortality is perfectly achievable. If you neglect one you can greatly extend your longevity but death shall eventually find you.

First I must address what death is. What one must understand is, death is change. Nothing more, nothing less. Death doesn't necessarily mean the end of the physical flesh. In fact it's very rarely physical death and much more often transformation, the end of one thing, the start of another. The release of part of your being, an old habit, pattern, or belief, so new growth can be had, out of death comes life. Rebirth is a better healthy way of conceptualizing of it.

The second thing to understand is death's role in the universe and how it facilitates spiritual growth. As people grow and experience things, this results in expansion of the consciousness and being, in becoming more than they ever where before, however all to often it also imposes limits as a byproduct as well. Unable to take the good and leave the bad, people carry both with, sometimes for years, and yet even the remainder of their life. If one can not let go and instead lets their experiences limit themselves, if they, in any way are prevented from becoming more and greater than they ever were or ever imagined they could be, then death shall eventually find them. It shall come and force change upon them as they showed themselves incapable of it without external influence. In this way stagnation is prevented.

Now I shall address the reason (physical) death occurs. It is the result of not taking proper care of the bodies, not just your physical fleshy one, but also your energetic bodies, as they propagate down and manifest into your material body. The form you inhabit is the temple of the living God and it should be treated as such. That is to say you should respect it, clean it, exercise it, and fuel it well. This means not consuming poisons such as cooked or processed food or drink of any kind, including fluoridated water, eating only what the body was made to consume (e.g., fruits). This furthermore means avoiding and minimizing negative energetic influences and/or transmuting them. Mental and emotion alchemy a necessary here for often times long before the physical body is diseased it is born in the mind. Consciously choose to resonate only to the highest of thoughts and emotions.

Many also have limiting mental expectations or beliefs of what their body can do, I've spoken on this before in my post on manifestation, removing all preconceived notions. If you hold beliefs such as "Every one must die", "I'm growing older/aging", "I'm dying one day at a time", et cetera, then you are manifesting your death. Rejecting such beliefs can be trying, standing your mental ground in a society where it's taken for granted as one of the few absolutes in life, but it is a requirement. It must be done lest you be carried away by the currents of the culture that surrounds you. As an awakened spirit, mastering yourself in all aspects is of utmost importance. A basic way to counter your past programming is to affirm/reprogram yourself with statements/thoughts such as "I am physically immortal", "I am affirming that the aging and death process has stopped and am now becoming more youthful and vigorous every day.", "I am physically immortal, and I can, if I choose, remain on Earth indefinitely without aging", "I am now fully activating my pituitary gland, it creates the life hormone and to no longer produces the death hormone."

Doing all this will prevent the accelerated degeneration of the flesh, but alone it is often only enough for longevity and not true immortality. To take it a step further one must not only eternally grow in an unlimited way, but also actively cultivate one's energy and connect with the universe/God. This (pranic-esque) energy combats entropy and provides the body with what it needs. The most basic way one can start to achieve this level of unity is to meditate and become one with the surrounding environment. Be still, connect to the universe and draw energy into you, feel it flowing and revitalizing you.

Once one can do all these things and has fully internalized them into the core of their being the body moves into an ageless state. The immortal path of true God-realization without any limits is simply the path of least resistance between you and God.

Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don’t mind, it doesn't matter. - Unknown

Liberation or spiritual freedom is not gained by trying to be like everyone else. Liberation is to have the will, the power, the simplicity to be what you are from moment to moment, without pretense and without considering what you or others think you should be or should not be. Naked of being anything you must stand, and stand alone. - Barry Long

Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you. - Masamune Shirow

The seed of God is in us: Pear seeds grow into pear trees; Hazel seeds into hazel trees; And God seeds into God. - Meister Eckehart

Knowing is not enought we must apply, willing is not enough we must do. - Bruce Lee

Hear & forget, see & know, do & understand. - Confucious

The important thing is this: to be ready at any moment to sacrifice what you are for what you could become. - Charles Dubois

The path to immortality is hard, and only a few find it. The rest await the Great Day when the wheels of the universe shall be stopped and the immortal sparks shall escape from the sheaths of substance. Woe unto those who wait, for they must return again, unconscious and unknowing, to the seed-ground of stars, and await a new beginning. - Thoth

>>200

reality manifestation is pretty noob-tier magick though, How about manifesting things from thin air?

>>217

^

This.

>>203

The death most should be concerned with is the second death, not the death of the body.

>>217

Manifesting stuff out of thin air would require a lot more energy. How would that be better?

>>255

Because sometimes this is needed?

>>217

You can take that technique all the way to that, simply gather up a ton of loosh and then do all the steps listed, forming the energy directly into matter by condensing it. Note, this take a lot of energy. Book of Knowledge also describes a similar method.

>>251

The physical body, as the self-reinforcing-feedback-looping mechanism of the soul is quite import to keep the flesh in perfect form until you have a sufficient level of enlightenment and unity with the all to render in unnecessary.

Now I know some opt for phylacteries or similar mechanisms to prevent second death, personally I find that sub par due to the level of limitations upon the growth that results from it during normal life as only a smaller portion of your soul is looping back through your flesh.

>>200

>>199

Some sources say that after manifesting something you should completely forget about it, and other talk about actively anticipating it. Which is true and when?

>>311

In my experience it's kind of both.

You don't want to be anticipating it, but you should hold/resonate with the absolute and utter faith-belief that it is-has come to pass.

If you need more intellectual/logical reassurance you can think of it this way. It is manifest somewhere, and you are moving to that somewhere so long as you keep on with that belief.

How to get an absurd amount of extra loosh or power for reality manifetation?

>>346

If you're STO, cultivate your energy (meditation, proper care of mind & body, etc.), learn to connect with Sol, Gaia and the cosmos gather their power.

If you're STS, loosh far like hell. Maybe with some of the former as well.

>>199

Didn't really read your ramblings but it's good to see someone who understands the importance of music.

For me, it was music that got me into the occult and taught me many, many magical skills. Emotional alchemy especially. I think that without music I wouldn't know even half as much as I do.

I've gathered an enormous audio collection throughout my life, consisting of hundreds of genres, but for the last few years I've been partial to ambient/drone/dark ambient and some experimental stuff. I recommend this shit. Just listening to this kind of music is a meditation on it's own.

Also, astral projecting to Coil is the best.

>>362

>it was music that got me into the occult and taught me many, many magical skills. Emotional alchemy especially. I think that without music I wouldn't know even half as much as I do.

Same here.

As they say "Music is food for the soul".

>>354

Neophyte here, can you please give a brief rundown of what STO and STS are?

>>635

STO

Service to Others. A spiritual orientation where one advances through assisting others in their evolutionary advancement. A more technical way of saying “positive” or “right hand path” or “benevolent.”

The fundamental principle of STO is to preserve freewill and balance, to thereby maximize the richness of the evolutionary experience for all concerned. Being STO comes with an awareness of the unity of all life. Thus they serve all, or rather the Spirit in all, including themselves. (Only by misunderstanding this point and thinking STO means being a walking doormat does the term “STA” or “Service to All” seem necessary).

STO beings have transcended the predator/prey dichotomy and are selfless servants of the divine will. Instead of wolf or sheep, they are more in the role of shepherd.

The term “4D STO” refers to Fourth Density Service-to-Others beings. They are superhuman beings. Examples include some Nordic aliens and what in more superstitious times have been called sylphs, fairies, angels, sidhe, or jinn.

The Buddhist term for an STO being is jivanmukta. In a more general sense, the STO path is delineated in the Buddhist conception of the bodhisattva.

http://montalk.net/about/212/glossary#STO

STS

Service to Self. A metaphysical orientation where one serves self by exploiting and manipulating others, reducing their freewill to increase one’s own. Overall this creates a freewill imbalance. STS systems are closed systems, meaning they have to take material and energy from one place to feed another. Thus survival and competition, overpowering the weak, violence, and manipulation arise.

The most basic manifestation of STS is having to take life in order to live. We are all STS in our current human state, due to our genetics and environment causing it to be so. However, we are not all evolving in the STS direction. To be STS in a basic sense, but be committed toward living according to STO principles, is the best we can do in our 3D state. By pursuing this sufficiently, we can transform into Fourth Density STO eventually. By doing the opposite and sufficiently pursuing STS, one can likewise graduate into 4D STS existence.

http://montalk.net/about/212/glossary#STS

>>639

Thank you very much brother.

>>200

>The universe is vibrating at a molecular/quantum level. And everything has a frequency that it’s vibrating at.

>All thoughts, feelings, sensations, & emotions have different vibrations. The higher the vibration (the frequency of yourself, your mind, your soul, or aura) the better things feel. While lower vibrations feel bad.

>These vibrational emminations aren't of your physical body but of our energy bodies.

So, string theory then?

>>817

Personally I do not subscribe to string theory because I see it as an over complicated way to try to conceptualize of the other realms from a limiting, lower dimensional perspective and the result is not only confusing & complicated but also still not really going beyond the 3rd density.

I find the a fractial-holographic simulation theory works better at describing the mechanics of the 3rd and 4th densities of consciousness and also even reaches a bit into the higher densities as well, which string theory does not (seem to) at all.

Now I will admit, I know there are a lot of different flavors of it, and I'm not well versed in all the different versions. I have a general dislike for it as a whole because it's foundational base is flawed and does not recognize the higher realms except in mathematical abstract.

>>818

Ah I see, from what little I know string theory I thought the similarities between it and the whole focus on vibration and frequencies of vibration that you posted about here and is a common thread of spirituality in general was interesting.

Like science showing indirectly support for spirituality and astral planes. I still think its a nice idea if true, the illusion of matter being nought but energy, vibrating strings at different frequencies, there has to be some truth to that.

I wonder what's your take on multiverse theory? Specifically M-theory, the idea put forth of universes existing as massive membranes in a void space, all next to each other, or as bubble universes etc, is there any mention of things like that in spiritual matters, maybe that's what the astral planes are?

It's interesting to ponder, my knowledge on both these topics is rudimentary though.

And for the record I dislike the holographic theory of the universe probably as much as you do string theory, I suppose because I feel it cheapens the experience of reality, of the third and fourth dimensions, though I'll admit I have resistance to the idea partially because I don't understand it fully. And furthermore regarding higher densities/dimensions, I think M-theory which is a subset of string theory postulates that there are 11 physical dimensions, and part of the reason given for why gravity seems to be so weak a force compared to the other fundamental forces of nature, so it does deal with higher densities.

Some good stuff in here, but a lot of pompousity to describe fairly basic things.

>tfw no armchair occultist flag

>>822

>Like science showing indirectly support for spirituality and astral planes.

It can, does, and is getting better as we futher progress into this age, but it can also only go so far, the individual most go the rest.

>I still think its a nice idea if true, the illusion of matter being nought but energy, vibrat[ions] at different frequencies, there has to be some truth to that.

There is. See my language note at bottom.

>Specifically M-theory, the idea put forth of universes existing as massive membranes in a void space, all next to each other, or as bubble universes etc,

>membranes

>bubbles

>etc.

I think that's needlessly complicating it. I personally subscribe to

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein

&

The majority believes that everything hard to comprehend must be very profound. This is incorrect. What is hard to understand is what is immature, unclear, and often false. The highest wisdom is simple and passes through the brain directly into the heart. - Viktor Schauberger

>I wonder what's your take on multiverse theory?

I believe that every moment of time, every slice of reality, upon which we travel through (which creates the illusion of time) exists simultaneously in super position and every time a novel freewill choice is made creation is expanded and a new moment is created. This covers the 3rd and 4th densities (which exist within time).

>is there any mention of things like that in spiritual matters, maybe that's what the astral planes are?

membranes & such? No. They use more elegant language. The astral is are other very real existent realms, but they are not very similar to the physical as you know it, they have quite different rules, and I don't mean in a fundamental "the laws of physics are different" I mean more so in that their "laws" are malleable and subject to (possible) change moment to moment as the only thing keeping them coherent is the will of the beings who reside within those realms. And so such notions as time (as we perceive of it in the 3rd density) does not really exist there.

>It's interesting to ponder,

Indeed it is, never stop musing and never forsake curiosity.

>my knowledge on both these topics is rudimentary though.

Keep seeking my friend, in time, you shall find.

>And for the record I dislike the holographic theory of the universe probably as much as you do string theory, I suppose because I feel it cheapens the experience of reality, of the third and fourth dimensions, though I'll admit I have resistance to the idea partially because I don't understand it fully.

There is a good lecture on it in the sticky >>2 but the basics are thus:

Existence is both holographic and fractal in nature. It is holographic in the sense that all possibilities exist simultaneously and timelessly, while our individual consciousness interfering with this static pattern is what generates the illusion of dynamic experience. In other words, it is we who move through the static pattern, the dreamscape projected by the Creator. Existence is fractal in the sense that freewill requires discontinuities and inconceivable complexities in this static web of possibilities. A fractal exists as a static pattern created from a deterministic equation, but due to the infinite complexity of a fractal, its exploration by a conscious perceiver becomes a nondeterministic affair. And thus the game of life can be characterized by freewill even though the gameboard itself is static and deterministic.

http://montalk.net/metaphys

>And furthermore regarding higher densities/dimensions,

Let me stop you there and say densities are not equivalent to dimensions. There may be overlap, but they are quite different things.

http://montalk.net/about/212/glossary#density

http://montalk.net/about/212/glossary#dimension

>I think M-theory which is a subset of string theory postulates that there are 11 physical dimensions,

>physical dimensions

That's part of the issue I have with string theory, things such as the aether, astral, etc. are not physical at all. String theory tries to conceive of the non physical in physical terms.

Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them. - Albert Einstein

And so for that reason I've pretty abandoned all 3rd density paradigms and I've found them to be wholly lacking.

>and part of the reason given for why gravity seems to be so weak a force compared to the other fundamental forces of nature, so it does deal with higher densities.

>gravity

Gravity is very interesting, and intrinsically tied to the aether/unified field (and ergo the 4th density, (as it cascades down from the higher)), but it is not at all what modern academic science thinks it is

http://montalk.net/notes/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism

However we can lay all terms aside, as ultimately they are merely abstractions. The truth is what is important, and the truth is

>the focus on vibration and frequencies of vibration [as the foundation of spirituality & metaphysical unified science]

>>824

>flag request

If you want to provide one, feel free. The limits are

>Flags must be a maximum of 48KB and 11-20 x 11-16 pixels.

>>837

>"I believe that every moment of time, every slice of reality, upon which we travel through (which creates the illusion of time) exists simultaneously in super position and every time a novel freewill choice is made creation is expanded and a new moment is created. This covers the 3rd and 4th densities (which exist within time)."

I'm not nearly as well versed in this subject as you. All my "knowledge" is just amusing conjecture I do to pass time based on the entry level understanding of subjects regarding physics and honestly, science in general. I'm familiar with this concept you've brought up, but I wanted to expand on it and ask your thoughts, because mine is conjecture, and yours is science (albeit the subject at hand is probably closer to educated conjecture, considering we currently, to my limited knowledge, can't objectively test multiverse theory.)

You're most likely familiar with the idea that, by the nature of the universe, free will can not exist. Your post implies it does, or rather, you believe it does, but my own summary of this idea goes like so; Imagine a very advanced simulator for predicting weather for a planet with no life to influence it. By simply plugging numbers (relating to pressure zones, altitude, cloud density, wind speed & direction, atmospheric conditions, etc) into the program, say, for yesterday at exactly 5:00 PM, the program could accurately predict weather for today, tomorrow, to a million years from now. And it couldn't happen any other way, because the numbers are correct and the simulation knows exactly the calculations needed between each influence.

Now apply the simulation program to the universe. The idea of this well known theory of no free will is that when the numbers were plugged following or at the moment of the Big Bang (those numbers now referring to every value discovered and put into action via physics) the energy, and subsequently mass following the cooling, had their destinies set the moment they were birthed. "Decisions" we make, because the brain is simply an active epicenter of matter, chemical reactions, and electricity, it is subject to the laws of physics, and therefor, predetermined as well. Every fleeting thought, and every split decision, decided at the conception of the universe.

This ties into your post through my conjecture, which starts right now. There are only two holes I can poke in the theory above, one being the existence of the paranormal (this is /fringe/, so 90% of the community read the theory and shrugged) or the possibility of some of the values in physics being random, I assume this might occur in string theory of quantum physics. But even random values would hypothetically be predetermined in this scenario.

Assuming the above theory to be true, does it make sense to you that many, many universes spawned at the Big Bang, each with different values (or plugged numbers, I use the terms interchangeably and I understand that may be confusing)? And since you hadn't recognized this theory as true, as per your mention of decisions and exercizing free will, why?

Posted from my phone, no autocorrect on /fringe/, apologies in advance for spelling mistakes. Also playing shaman with Kratom, so apologies for any incoherence.

>>837

Very interesting, thanks anon, you've clarified a lot of things for me. Regarding the astral realms it does seem a bit silly to think that they are in the realm of the physical like the multiverses I mention, I guess it just shows that there is so much more to existance and reality than we can comprehend, if there are both multiverses with who knows what within them and then astral realms entirely seperate from the physical reality we know.

Well then I have but one more question before I get to reading the links in your post, and that would be on the topic of astral travel, is it really merely "phase shifting" instead of physcially leaving the body? As in shifting your concsiousness focus and therefore the level of vibration you are attuned with and can then have an OBE

Or AP that way? If you believe in such things that is, I came upon this theory a while ago and it makes so much more sense to me than you actually leaving your physcial body while it lies there, instead you are shifting the focus of your consciousness to a different foci and your physcial body remains there in the physical plane but your consciousness and being is temporarily in a higher one like out of body floating around Earth or in the astral realms when APing.

What are your thoughts on that ? The whole foci of consciousness and their levels, Focus 23 being our reality and 24 one step above, then 25, 26 etc if I remember correctly.

>>639

so are fascist occultists always STS?

>>875

That depends entirely on your perspective. If you're a fascist who believes in uplifting his people, by helping them reach their true destiny, forcing them even unto the right path that leads to their ultimate self improvement into ubermensch, then you're an STO occultist.

If on the other hand the whole ideology is your vehicle for an authoritarian power trip that puts all the lesser mundies under the heel of your divine boot, then by all means, you're a fascist STS wizard.

In other words people are far more complex than the labels placed on them by society or /leftypol/.

>>860

>the topic of astral travel, is it really merely "phase shifting" instead of physcially leaving the body?

You are multi part being who exists in many different densities of existence simultaneously. What you are doing is projecting the higher non physical part of your consciousness to another place.

>As in shifting your concsiousness focus and therefore the level of vibration you are attuned with

This is not too inaccurate, what your focus awareness is primarily on, shifting that from the physical unto something else (aetheric, astral, etc.).

>If you believe in such things that is, I came upon this theory a while ago and it makes so much more sense to me than you actually leaving your physical body while it lies there, instead you are shifting the focus of your consciousness to a different foci and your physical body remains there in the physical plane but your consciousness and being is temporarily in a higher one like out of body floating around Earth or in the astral realms when APing.

Most of the time you do actually leave your physical form right where it is/was and just travel with your mind. If you where extremely adept at it, you could bilocate/teleport, but that is beyond anything any neophyte or even initiate could do.

>The whole foci of consciousness and their levels, Focus 23 being our reality and 24 one step above, then 25, 26 etc if I remember correctly.

Not sure what you mean here.

>>858

>All my "knowledge" is just amusing conjecture I do to pass time based on the entry level understanding of subjects regarding physics and honestly, science in general.

That was where I was at for a time as well. Then as I started getting more data I realized how it could be applied and tested, and so I did.

>I'm familiar with this concept you've brought up, but I wanted to expand on it and ask your thoughts, because mine is conjecture, and yours is science (albeit the subject at hand is probably closer to educated conjecture, considering we currently, to my limited knowledge, can't objectively test multiverse theory.)

Some of its normal science, some of it's personally verified transjective science.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF4513ADF171E3995

Does a good job at some of the more lower level science, debunking the notion of (hard) casuality, linear time, also goes into the illusion of physicality and how reality slices work, exist, are, and traveled to/from. Another interesting inquiry search term for the sciences in this area include inquires such as the virtual/digital/simulation universe.

>You're most likely familiar with the idea that, by the nature of the universe, free will can not exist.

I've seen it postulated, but never sustained.

>[Strictly deterministic thought experiment]

Quantum mechanics allows for freewill, and in fact actual mandates freewill, by its inherently non deterministic & unpredictable nature. Sure it does average out in the larger scales, and this does give the appearance of determinism, but this only happens in the absence of consciousness (or any other higher energies) biasing the system.

>because the brain is simply an active epicenter of matter, chemical reactions, and electricity, it is subject to the laws of physics, and therefor, predetermined as well.

That may be true, however the key flaw here is in assuming the mind is the brain, which it is not. The mind is hyperdimensional energy field.

The above are nice, but can be a little long. Here is a book I've encountered on the subject that may be more to your liking (though it also goes into much less detail regarding the more mystic application of said principles)

The Mind and The Brain - Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental Force by Jeffrey M. Schwartz & Sharon Begley

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=748b9f7b493e292e6d4b2ba20170d782

On a side note:

>Implying the big bang is a theory that even makes sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC_KkLvG22A

>There are only two holes I […] one being the existence of the paranormal

That is no longer conjecture nor is it mysticism, there is good rigorous science that supports the power of the mind (the awareness) over physical matter (the body and other things).

Try to understand this in the framework of: brain as it creates a 3 dimensional and sometimes 4 dimensional (over time as well) physical electro-magnet field pattern-shapes by firing certain neurons (and sometimes in certain orders), which in turn creates an imprint in the aether which your mind interacts with, and also that your mind (can, this is where freewill comes in) bias the aether to mold-shape-influence your physical electro-magnetic nervous-electrical system & brain on a quantum level via propagating down energy patterns from 4th density to 3rd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHSyOcMuYHY

As an aside, memory is the lowerself/mind/soul's recognition of these patterns. Now imagine than you, instead of needing physical mechanisms to produce said patterns within your brain to experience certain states, you learn to, by applied awareness, use your mind alone to create these patterns in the same level of detail. And then further imagine that through neurosculpting (as mentioned in the above book) you can shape-mold your self into a transcendent state where all undesirable things are no longer existent. This is in essence the purpose of meditation.

In addition, further understand that lecture in that the nervous system is a very finely tuned instrument/system, so much so that the fields that humans give off are (apparently) very weak compared to technology. For point of reference, with the field stregth of the brain as a base, Earth's field is 7 orders of magnitude stronger, and is yet still dwarfed when compared of modern technology which can 12 orders of magnitude (or greater) stronger than your brain. This is why electromagnetic field radiation from all our tech can be/is so harmful to your mind and body. This just exemplifies that our perceptions are capable of being extremely precise by nature, even well within the physical realm.

>[the second hole being] the possibility of some of the values in physics being random, I assume this might occur in string theory of quantum physics.

Uh, I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at.

>Assuming […] many, many universes spawned […]' each with different values [or initial conditions].

You could consider those reality slices, far removed from where you presently are observing or other realms or timelines that you are not very in synch with.

>>896

>infringing on the free will of others due to personal ideology

Thats not STO

>>875

Some fascists are some are not. It's not something inherent in the belief.

The strict national-socialist-fascist ideal is one based in preservation of one's own kind, all who wish to freely join are welcomed and those who do not wish to contribute or exist in that society are asked to kindly go else where. All those who wish to destroy or otherwise (attempt to) violate that group's right to life and existence are justified in being defended against, even if this must be lethal in nature. This is STO.

However (some of) /pol/ wants to take it a step further, and "purge the world" of the untermensch, it then shifts from mere defense and preservation to actual attack and the violation of their right to life and existence (even as pitiful as it may be) of others. This is where, no matter how noble it may seem, it goes overboard and crosses the line into STS.

>>899

>Not sure what you mean here.

This stuff I mean, learned about them from my independent research into OBE's and consciousness etc.

Though they are really just labels applied to separate yet distinct states of consciousness.

https://monroeinstituteuk.org/focus-levels/

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/1-21.html

>>903

>>896

Thank you for the replies

>>199

You can try using intent with fake music generator to divine or request a music for you.

http://www.fakemusicgenerator.com/

Science is the only path to enlightenment. - Buddha

I hope you get the irony - Hermes3

>>362

https://archive.org/details/gvSound

this shall make you drown for a while

>>199

Just a headsup, ancient musical notation, some of the oldest surviving songs in the world from Syria and Greece suggest the use of harmony and melody, not single note, single tones.

This flies in the face of what Montalk guy has written about music as a driving force of Western civilization through the adoption of harmony and melody over a period of time throughout 1000-1700AD.

Indeed his whole article on music is full of misinformation and simplification and some pretty far reaching conjecture

>because dissonant music has a sense of resonance within us or may feel good to us this means are soul is familiar with transitioning to other realms and therefore proof of astral world

Pretty far reaching there, not to say I doubt the possibility of the astral world exisiting but I doubt that the evolution of western music has much to do with all that business.

And here are the songs I mentioned in my post-

https://youtu.be/9c-hmFN610g

https://youtu.be/xERitvFYpAk

>>193

*sigh*

All there is to science is following the scientific method:

1. Formulate hypothesis.

2. Experiment and try to prove or disprove that hypothesis.

3. Use results as the foundation for new hypotheses.

It's pure simple exploration. The very essence of the truth-seeking you say you practice.

If you need to discard such a simple, logical and straightforward way of thinking in order to justify your beliefs and mental hops, you should consider if you're not deluding yourself.

You call for anyone who's tired of vague, lengthy texts that lead nowhere and yet you write a shitload of text that's ambiguous, full of vague and frankly bullshit language: "the probabilistical influencing of quantum mechanical variables resulting in said object being butterfly effecting out towards you". What are "quantum mechanical variables"? How do you affect something probabilistically? When you say "butterfly effecting" I assume you mean creating a chain of deterministic events that have a specific outcome, but what does "out towards you" mean?

"In actuality every possible different configuration, of every possible different (fractal) ‘time-line’, of every possible different realm exists at the same simultaneously in superposition"… Why do you use "different" and "fractal" as synonyms? You claim to be a scientific, an engineer and who knows what else, yet you don't know how "self-similarity at different scales" and "different" are not the same. By the way, what is a "realm"?

"[…] your conscious awareness is always shifting in the directing of vibration […]" Shifting in the direction of what vibration? Didn't you realize when you were writing this that the words you're putting together do not create a meaning, at all? Does consciousness vibrate? At what rate (oscillations per second)? How do you measure it? Can you change that rate of vibration? How? Is it the medium in which consciousness exist the one that's vibrating instead? Did you prove the existence of such a medium first? What are its properties? What's it's rate of vibration? What kind of influences does it respond to, if at all?

Can't you see you are not following a rigorous method of exploration? How do you expect to make sense of anything reasoning like that? If what you wrote were a Wikipedia article, it would need a [citation needed] every two words for fuck's sake!

As someone who's an actual, real user of what some people might call "supernatural" abilities or "esp" or whatever, it irritates me to no end (as you might have noticed) to read someone spouting this level of nonsense while claiming to be able to guide anyone anywhere. The only thing you're doing is creating more confusion and making anyone who takes the metaphysical seriously a quack.

I'll give you a hint you can follow. Stop quoting people. Try to write a text that can stand on its own first. Don't be so eager to believe, and LEARN instead. Build your conclusions on top of your experience and not the other way around. Otherwise, you end up rambling, and at this point, so am I, so I'm out.

>>1562

He does not claim that music was only singe tones isolated from melody. I don't see how you're getting at that "flies in the face of" the writings.

If there is misinformation, point it out and substantiate it. If you feel that something was over simplified I'd love to hear your breakdown-analysis in detail.

Regarding alleged conjecture, you can see it (the transjective proof of harmony) demonstrated by meditating on various types of music and tones and frequencies and if you would like to do actual experiments with other people and/or plants & animals you can see it as well.

Why do you think such power, especially in which is simply demonstrable, would not have an effect on societal development? It's been said music is food for the soul, music has inspired countless people to do myriads of things that they otherwise would not have. I think it's hardly a far cry to say such had a profound impact on the (western) world.

>>1673

I'm well aware of the scientific method and how it works.

>If you need to discard such

I do not and have not.

>You call for anyone who's tired of vague, lengthy texts that lead nowhere and yet you write a shitload of text that's ambiguous, full of vague and frankly bullshit language: "the probabilistical influencing of quantum mechanical variables resulting in said object being butterfly effecting out towards you". What are "quantum mechanical variables"?

In this case, they are the probable orbital positions of electrons.

>How do you affect something probabilistically?

With your consciousness/mind or the aetheric-astral components of your being by exerting your desire-will.

>When you say "butterfly effecting" I assume you mean creating a chain of deterministic events that have a specific outcome,

Initiating new causal chains to a certain end.

>but what does "out towards you" mean?

The place in which the object exists and the place in which your consciousness exists start to move towards each other and eventually into a state of unity (vibratory phase lock)

>"In actuality every possible different configuration, of every possible different (fractal) ‘time-line’, of every possible different realm exists at the same simultaneously in superposition"… Why do you use "different" and "fractal" as synonyms?

Trying to help the maximum amount of people understand the true nature, which is that there are (what appears to be) different timelines, but those are just other parts of the fractal of the whole.

>By the way, what is a "realm"?

In this case

The sphere of your influence and experience, your own reality bubble. Those who inhabit a common realm share common experiences and have some commonality in their FRV. Two entities residing in completely different realms have little in common and are not mutually aware of each other.

>"[…] your conscious awareness is always shifting in the directing of vibration […]" Shifting in the direction of what vibration?

The vibration of you(r being)

>Didn't you realize when you were writing this that the words you're putting together do not create a meaning, at all?

It makes perfect sense to me and a great many others as well.

>Does consciousness vibrate?

Yes.

>At what rate (oscillations per second)?

Varying rates depending on what state of being you currently are in.

>How do you measure it?

By manipulation of awareness/consciousness and observing oneself, you could also do it in abstraction by the resultant effects as well.

>Can you change that rate of vibration? How?

Yes, be altering what you are currently be-ing.

>Is it the medium in which consciousness exist the one that's vibrating instead?

You could say the medium (God) is vibrating and from that we were given form… but also we are, and until we merge with the totality our vibrations (as exerted by our freewill decisions are respected and as such) are potentially superior to the background harmony.

>Did you prove the existence of such a medium first?

Yes and it's very clearly existent once you start working with it.

>What are its properties?

The typical properties of God, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, etc.

>What's it's rate of vibration?

It varies again depending on perspective, I suppose you could say the Aum is the "default".

>What kind of influences does it respond to, if at all?

Thought.

>Can't you see you are not following a rigorous method of exploration?

The proofs are scattered around fringechan and the various other esoteric resources (and always within oneself for when one turns there). This thread is not so much about the proofs of the truth (as that is volumes upon volumes, hardly something very capable of making concise nor condensed) as it is the distilled truth minus all of the unnecessary oppressively flowery language.

>How do you expect to make sense of anything reasoning like that?

Experience, in this life or in a past one, or if absolutely nothing else, a pointer in the right direction.

>As someone who's an actual, real user of what some people might call "supernatural" abilities or "esp" or whatever, it irritates me to no end (as you might have noticed) to read someone spouting this level of nonsense while claiming to be able to guide anyone anywhere. The only thing you're doing is creating more confusion and making anyone who takes the metaphysical seriously a quack.

>I'll give you a hint you can follow. Stop quoting people.

What's wrong with quotes? If there is truth in them, there is truth, I suppose I could leave off the cited names, but that just seemed presumptious to me.

The wisdom of the wise and the experience of the ages are perpetuated by quotations. - Isaac D'Israeli

And also, I've found people often give truth more weight if some one famous said it too.

>Don't be so eager to believe, and LEARN instead.

I'm only eager to find the truth via empiricism. There are certainly theories that, by their mere existance have some level of belief in them but I don't, like a fool, claim them to be true untill I obtain data to support them.

>Build your conclusions on top of your experience and not the other way around.

I do.

… about wizardry. Are there any youtube videos i should watch?

I would like to know more about metaphysics and conciousness

>>1702

>>1703

Hello newfriend, why don't you read the sticky >>1 and the rules, and then if you have questions direct them to the current questions thread >>155 and lurk more.

>>1702

>>1703

You know you don't actually need to fill name/email/subject fields to post on a chan, right?

>mfw fringechan is someone's first chan experience

>>198

Why is the limitations of science and transjectivity linked into one subject instead of covered in two different posts? I've wrote a lot before on transjectivity and it's a big topi

OP is one pompous motherfucker

>>1910

Proof?

Also, this thread was copied over from 8/fringe/ and was created by someone else. Although, I agree with almost everything it is.

>>1925

This thread actually was *not* copied over. Notice there is no [Admin note: importing for posterity] at the end of the OP.

>>1907

I was not aiming to cover the totality of all transjective things, for to do such would be the whole of magic and metaphysics, I was instead aiming to simply demonstrate the existence of such a thing and how contemporary science limits it self by definiton. That there is more than first appears.

>>1710

>mfw fringechan is someone's first chan experience

that just seems too strange

>>2714

before long fringe will be popular with the mundanes.

Hopefully it doesn't become spellsofmagic tier one day

>>2718

>spellsofmagic

This trash site is the cancer of all magic-related web searches.

>>639

I would just like to add that some people claim to be an sts or sto but man is both anon. you will switch depending on your environment.

>>3872

Also, the division between them isn't very clear.

Many times helping others is beneficial to self in the long run.

They are just polarities. It is obvious that one can be both.

On discerning truth

What is true and what is merely perspective? This can sometimes be difficult to discern between, the truth is absolutely objective, that which universally is and thusly can be said to create perspective. The problem lies in the problem that nearly everything we experience is perspective, a mere aspect of truth and not truth in totality. And so depending on what sorts of data sets (perspectives) and the depth and breadth of the understanding of such the understanding of reality, at face value, can be quite deceiving.

To solve this it is necessary to be clear about what we talk. The transcendentally objective (transjective) truth behind is what creates the reality we see, what is responsible for projecting the concrete shadow we interact with on Earth. So therefore with that in mind one must be most careful in their analysis of data as not to be caught up in maya at large. This can be accomplished by the following method.

First what one most keep in mind is there are two fundamental axioms: truth is not subjective (not dependennt on perspective) and truth never contradicts itself. With this in mind we continue on, the best place to start, assuming one has nothing, is to collect some data. How does any given religion/belief system (perspective set) or philosophy (perspective toolkit) view a given thing? What are their theories and, if applicable, data on the subject? Can you test it? Just keep in mind even assuming the experiments support the theories it’s still very possible that what you have is mere perspective.

Another thing one must be aware of is that through the repeated use of specific yet common ways of doing things (working with god/archetypal energy or in ritualistic ways) one may achieve a result through use of that (comparatively) higher use path of energy flow, which would result in easier/swifter manifestation due to harnessing of the preexisting energy flow. Through the application of this it is possible to do a thing and not understand fully the process of said experiment/experience because the truth depth of what really went into creating it.

Continuing onward keep collecting data and eventually you will start to notice that despite the varying approaches, they seem to be pointing or at least, a similar direction. By following the guideposts and by directing your attention to further experiments down the revealed path one gets closer to truth.

After experencially knowing/living the common thread of truth for a while a universal perspective becomes clear. One which is internally consistent, has been experimentally proven, and holds up to manifest/create the maya as perceived by others. This is the beginning of seeing, and literally, feeling the transcendental truth.

With this holographic kernel truth you no longer need to correlate volumes upon volumes of data in near blind and total darkness, the (en)light(enment) of truth shall be your guide.

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Arthur Conan Doyle

There are no more maps; no more creeds or philosophies. From here on in, the directions come straight form the Universe. - Akshara Noor

The majority believes that everything hard to comprehend must be very profound. This is incorrect. What is hard to understand is what is immature, unclear, and often false. The highest wisdom is simple and passes through the brain directly into the heart. - Viktor Schauberger

>>8675

Franz describes pretty well in PME why symbolism and ritual can be useful.

>>8703

Not meant to imply it can't be useful, just that one should realize that by using a preexisting framework, or operational system environment if you will, one of course can do that quite well without needing to understand all the low level code that goes into making it work (at least without extensive practice, and even then it can fall into a perspective trap).

May seem like a dumb question but,where do I begin?

>>12168

The /fringe/ sticky really needs a moving reptilian ayy lmao to catch attention a la /fit/'s T-rex huh..

>>12173

Sticky and FAQ reading list are shit though and were made by Smiley

>>12168

With present moment awareness >>3 lots of reading helps too. My recommendation is Neophyte's Gold >>>/library/1

Rule number one of chans, lurk more. For a board that is not super fast that means reading back cataloged threads and exploring the other boards.

>>12173

Clearly, or something.

>>12175

>Sticky and FAQ reading list are shit though and were made by Smiley

Only some of them.

>>12200

Are we talking about the same reading list from FAQ consisting solely of Atkinson's books?

>>12202

There are many reading lists I've encountered, most of which can be found by crawling the ramparts of fringechan; only 2, maybe 3, do I think are his and at least 5 of them I know are not.

>>12204

Yeah, but I was referring to the post that was referring to the sticky that is referring to the bullshit Smiley-tier reading list.

But yes, lurk moar is the answer, as it often is.

What about the Stoics though? I mean, some things are out of power. To accept that is, in a sense, enlightment too.

Sure, you need to accept your own faults. But, for example, if a family member dies of cancer then you have to accept it and move on. You could have done nothing against it. Correct?

>>12346

>What about the Stoics though?

I do not find stripping myself of emotions to be (the most) beneficial path. Thought the ability to choose which emotion to emote and being able to do this to a broad range at will is very valuable.

>I mean, some things are out of power.

If you tell yourself that, if that's what's needed to release your attachment.

>for example, if a family member dies of cancer then you have to accept it and move on. You could have done nothing against it. Correct?

Well technically you could grab their soul, stick it back in the body, reknit the flesh back into working form and resurrect them. Now if you're powerful enough, if it's dharmically beneficial to them, if the heavenly energies align well, etc. are all massive factors. You could also just heal the cancerous growths before they died as well (well, if they let you or where open to it).

The bottom line really is, by the time you have the power to literally play god you will have the wisdom to not interfere unduly in the lives of others though it would be well within our ability to. The fall back is subtly influencing events as to maximize freewill while providing a gentle nourishing encouraging aetheric wind.

Thank you.

>>8675

>One which is internally consistent, has been experimentally proven, and holds up to manifest/create the maya as perceived by others

I was sure that I knew exactly what you're saying till I read that. Either you're jumping the gun with implications or mistype?

Anyways all that really needs to be said is explaining some philosophy like objectivity and subjectivity and that nothing is objective except patterns and only that is the assumption of cause and effect. Causality is the (subjective) axiom that allows science to be objective.

Therefore identify your own patterns and figure your own reality out for yourself

>>12358

You foollish coward. Stoicism has nothing to do with stripping yourself of emotion. It's about being a fucking man and making sound objective decisions based on your own set of ethics, rather than accepting the rewadd/punishment of the slave.

>>12429

>Implying it must be that dichotomy.

Nice projection there.

>>12429

>You foollish coward.

Who talks like this? Chill out, man.

>>12429

>expecting Montalk flag guy to be educated or experienced on basic matters before sharing his esteemed opinion

>not realizing this place is just a loosh farming arena

>>12400

Always, you are most welcome.

>>12406

>>One which is internally consistent, has been experimentally proven, and holds up to manifest/create the maya as perceived by others

>I was sure that I knew exactly what you're saying till I read that. Either you're jumping the gun with implications or mistype?

Not a mistype. In other words what I was attempting to convey is that the perspective created from harmonic perspective synthesis would be logically consistent within the totality of itself, it would yield the results predicted to the user, and it would also yield the same energies/effects in the illusion of the world (maya) as perceived from other perspectives with other spirits.

>Nothing is objective except patterns

I'll agree to this, however

>and only that is the assumption of cause and effect.

this I disagree with. One can discern distinctions between things without necessarily needing to inject causes or even be aware of them to simple observe the differences between moments.

>Therefore identify your own patterns and figure your own reality out for yourself

This sentence seems to imply that "your reality is your own" and not comparable nor relatable to others which I don't agree with. Reality isn't subjective, and while it isn't 100% objective either there is a significant overlap, a shared transcendental truth between the different perceptions/perspectives of folk.

>>12445

>expecting Montalk flag guy

Flags aren't trip codes ya know, any one can use them and I've seen plenty of posts on 'ere that are my by others using both of the montalk flags.

>>12434

What's wrong with how I talk?

>>12459

It's just uncalled for. I don't know why stoicism generates such strong opinions.

>>12470

Strong men have strong opinions.

>uncalled for

Great men and great wisdom is being misrepresented. This is bad.

>>12446

Yea so subjective phenomenon usually have some sort of objective framework or mechanism and that includes this 'shared transcendental truth'

This assumption of cause and effect is what creates the framework of our actual science. It's called causality and it's an axiom from philosophy.

This is to discern reality from dreams since philosophy proved only patterns in waking life exists but not dreams (little did they know…but maybe they did like the neoplatonists and etc)

Anyways it's funny you mention this explanation of maya with that flag as I recall Montalk goes into great depth behind demiurgic mechanisms. Not sure how many are a fan of what he goes on about there

>>12459

You sound less like a man tempered in the ever so patiently tended flame of his will and more like shadow the hedgehog.

Archaic insults rarely have the same punch as something more natural to the current era unless juxtaposed well or otherwise set up.

Also, insults are best delivered like blows, with cunning and stealth that slips through a guard, yet still with commitment and power that leaves the target winded. Conversations however, shouldn't come to blows unless necessary.

So I wonder if we can come to an agreement on what best terms to use, to keep it condensed and concise?

>>12575

Where do you see linguistical incongruities? My use of maya? Yes there are mechanisms, well documented (by occultists) mechanisms by which it works. Illusion does not imply irrationality but merely that it's not the (whole) truth.

>>12584

I don't deny that terms like maya are 'incorrect' I was just pointing out that Montalk doesn't use that term and talks about demiurgic mechanisms. These are just parallel explanations to explain how our shared reality is created or simulated or what have you.

I assumed that despite using the Montalk flag you were not a fan of the terms he uses and would rather prefer to use terms like Maya. And this I assume is maybe because the framework that uses terms like Maya is considered to be more condensed and concise, as is the point and title of the thread.

Maybe you think that other frameworks are actually different and incorrect compared to this one that uses Maya though, in which case I would have assumed wrong?

>>12604

>I assumed that despite using the Montalk flag you were not a fan of the terms he uses

Mostly I love the nomenclature, however sometimes it's deficit, mostly only due to preconceived notions of the masses though. Matrix (control system) would perhaps be more his word for it but alone the word has many different connotations and even in full it is not as self apparent, implies a level of necessary hostility, and is not as widely known nor understood as maya, hence the use here.

>and would rather prefer to use terms like Maya.

I'll use what suits the need the best, often this results in words from a vast many different languages being used in the same sentence. Despite that I've found it can be more effective. Really though it depends on the cultural contextual lens of the one you are talking to, this is my preferred way but in a more personal setting I'll adapt it to their understanding in an attempt to increase fidelity rather than presenting something with more clarity yet a greater minimum barrier to understanding.

>Maybe you think that other frameworks are actually different and incorrect

It's really not so much a matter of correct or incorrect but more so what is more effective. Every thing has a modicum of truth in it, no matter how distorted or burred as it was born of truth but that does not mean that mean it will be the best universal way. Really that's what I'm trying to reach with my language, a way to frame these concepts so that it's clear what it is, what it isn't, and isn't convoluted so it can be intuited (as much as possible). Bonus points if it can break through negatively entrenched cultural predispositions.

That's just viewing it from within the scope of language though, really what we're trying to do is explain & describe things that literally defies the conceptual boxes of words so what ever gets their consciousness aligned and resonating with the desired idea is the most effective way. In real life, and in real time conversations this can be much easier as you can psychically project your meaning upon them and even if it's sub or semiconscious they will integrate it. As much as I love books and other static writings that is a big comparative drawback as to be able to psychically reach into the author's mind correctly is a much greater feat of intuition.

>>1678

>>What kind of influences does it respond to, if at all?

>Thought.

Valerie Hunt proved it's emotion, not thought.