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Seeker 2016-03-09 20:00:34 No.1503 >>3138

Have anyone heard of, or experienced, the existence of libraries in the astral plane?

Supposedly these places were created in prehistory, and can be accessed by people with the right mindset and training. The intent of making these, was to preserve knowledge and magic manuals for future generations.

Just walking in wouldn't be possible, as they are very high security places, often requiring certain achievements or the solving of riddles for a section to open up.

It is a definite necessity to have certain skills, these places are completely inaccessable to mundanes.

Seeker 2016-03-09 22:13:44 No.1512 >>1513 >>1523

Does the words 'akashic records' ring a bell?

All information humanity has ever known and possibly will know is inside. No need to do some crazy astral riddles or any stupid shit like that. Knowledge is meant to be free so keep it that way.

The only thing keeping mundanes away is their own ignorance.

Seeker 2016-03-09 23:07:44 No.1513 >>1515

>>1512

This, all I'll add is all one must do is attune their astral sense

Seeker 2016-03-10 05:12:42 No.1515 >>1520 >>1523

>>1513

Sadly, they are no "akashic records".

There isn't a library somewhere with akasha stuff. Reading the akasha is a work that takes time and practice, it's simply learning to master that principle. The "libraries" are nothing but dreams, delusions and thoughtforms or an elaborate method to facilitate extracting information from the all pervading akasha. Most of the time these elaborate methods of "going into the akashic records" are all wrong in their predictions and information. Haven't seen any new agers come with any prediction that came to happen, but they were all in the "records"… Just like how people who get "abducted" always wake up in sweat. I usually call that nightmares…

Don't fall into memes fam.

Seeker 2016-03-10 14:01:40 No.1520 >>1522 >>1523

>>1515

I think perhaps we have a misagreeance of terms.

Every thing that has happened (and thus every bit of information that ever existed) exists somewhere in the holographic fractal matrix of reality. Through projecting your awareness to the appropriate place you can access said data. This is what I call the akashic records.

Some may conceptualize, view, or interface with this via the metaphor of a library, I don't really, but nonetheless I like the imagery.

If you're trying to say it can not exist because some one claimed to have accessed it and was wrong, this is fallacious; if the discerned data that was different than what happened (in the past) or what turned out to happen (in the future) that may be, respectively, due to the (in)sensitivity or bias of the reader, or a timeline shift due to exertion of freewill. This is also further assuming there was no fraud, which is also possible, however to presume that because of such things the akashic records can not exist is just foolish.

Seeker 2016-03-10 17:08:57 No.1522 >>1523

>>1520

What I'm saying is that the akasha is a real, omnipotent, eternal, omniscient, omnipresent/all pervading energy, and yes, everything that is or was is inscribed into it. But this "astral akashic library" is a meme. There is no need for it, so why would anyone create it and bother to link it with the akasha? It seems to me that it is a common thoughtform fueled by horny neophytes striving for knowledge.

I do deal with the akasha on a regular basis and I am pretty accurate in the information I get from it, but all the people who speak of "akashic records" and get inside their "libraries" have never shown any accuracy…

OP 2016-03-10 17:52:39 No.1523 >>1524

>>1512

>>1515

>>1520

>>1522

I've seen the term akashic records referred to many times in new age communities, but I have never really put any attention to it. I was under the impression that this was a specific transcription of said records. I've seen one like this and was not very impressed. The contents were mostly mainstream new age/starseed stuff.

The idea that everything is recorded somewhere is known to me, I have applied this view myself. The problem with this method is that information is recorded exactly as it is, and your own concepts also block your view. This usually means that knowledge exists in the full image of the life of a prehistoric person who aquired some understanding. The full image of this knowledge in a form that is aimed at a "reader" would not exist, because you are just a mere passive onlooker trying to understand his role in a different society, with completely different beliefs.

OP 2016-03-10 18:03:09 No.1524

>>1523

What I was getting at was a form of knowledge willfully recorded somewhere.

I have received indications that these places do exist. It is my own theory that the approach now called chaos magic, is the result of knowledge collected from such an astral library.

What I mean by this, is that someone higher up the information ladder is just getting things out from there, rediscovering old knowledge rather than creating something new. Fully developing a new magic system/method from scratch in a relatively short time like 35 years seems unrealistic.

The process of understanding manuals written in a long since gone language, from a perspective unknown to us, may indeed recemble the solving of riddles, or present itself as a riddle to us. Using a universal language of ideas may create this effect, even if there were no riddles to begin with. By riddle in this context I mean something that is meant to produce a certain thinking or concept in the mind of the reader. Something that will hint you at the message, allowing you to understand it from your own time and social/theoretical context, despite it being recorded in a completely alien setting.

Seeker 2016-06-05 14:26:27 No.3118 >>3121

How do one gain access to the akashic records?

Alpam 2016-06-05 14:45:12 No.3121 >>3122

>>3118

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/astral_dynamics/astral_dynamics29.htm

He might not be the best occultist, but his methods and practices are very much valuable.

Seeker 2016-06-05 14:53:22 No.3122 >>3126

>>3121

So it is basically done through astral projection?

Seeker 2016-06-05 18:02:56 No.3126

>>3122

asgtral projection or some form of divining.

crystal ball

magic mirror

etc

Seeker 2016-06-05 22:02:19 No.3138 >>3139

>>1503

I have been told that the akashic flows like a river, it is not stored like books in a library. I would imagine that when you pull "books" from the akashic, you are simply pulling knowledge from the akashic and displaying it in a way that is familiar to you.

Again, this is just what I've been told. I am not able to do this to prove it.

Seeker 2016-06-05 22:06:05 No.3139 >>3175

>>3138

Both the river and the library are simply arbitrary shapes to help people understand how it works. It doesn't have a defined shape.

Seeker 2016-06-06 12:53:14 No.3175

>>3139

This, I interpret the library as a field of pylons that show me visions when touched because reading is too much of a bother in the astral.

Seeker 2016-06-26 20:18:00 No.3883 >>3917 >>3915 >>3897 >>3908 >>6610 >>6205 >>6589

OP here again.

I was trying to see if there was any knowledge of the thread topic before posting the things I really wanted to talk about. At the time I was unsure of if it was ok and how it would be recieved here.

But today something happened that made me decide to post anyway. Though I dislike the term "synchronity" because of the people using it today, it may make it easier for some to understand what I'm talking about. It was coined by Jung after all, I just don't want to be associated with those new agers.

Last night I was making another attempt at deconstructing/breaking an evil economy. Yes I'm talking about a major thing here, it has to do with what's been on the news recently.

An economy appears as a particle in the form of a ring, kinda like a donut. When it is formed it starts off as a piece of a ring, but not connected. After forming, it will become very stable and hard to break. The particle itself is one step lower than light.

I have no idea if you will find anyone else confirming anything I say, this is my own experience and research. I don't really care, maybe it will help someone.

So I came up with an idea.

What if I break that economy just a bit, remove a piece of the circle and then use it as an energy source. Hijacking it, simply. Those people who created it would still think it was functional because the form was still there, so they would keep feeding it. They're the evil after all so this is no problem.

I added a staff to it to make it useful and the form "clicked" into place as when a wand is formed. It turned out a rather powerful one and I can use it for what I wanted. I suppose it was unintentional.

If you're not familiar with with concept, this is not a physical wand, but rather the function of a wand. They are directly controlled by your mind after creation.

There's a bunch of blueprints for them in the chaos library.

Which brings us to the next part: chaos magic has a library, just like what I brought up in this thread. At the time I didn't talk of it because I had a feeling it wasn't allowed by some people. I have since improved my understanding of the area, and been given a key to the place. This should give me some kind of freedom to at least mention it. If I had wanted to cause trouble I wouldn't have been given the key.

Anyway, what happened today was…

I watched an episode of Sailor Moon Crystal. I grew up watching the original show and I wanted to watch the remake, I just never got around to it. Watched a few episodes and then forgot about it.

Today I picked it up again, and it happened to be at the episode of pic related. That's the form of the wand I created last night! If that wasn't enough, there's the scene were Sailor V talks to Sailor Moon from the arcade game, holding the same wand and she notices this.

You probably don't know what I'm talking about or how to access it, but I placed a blueprint for the wand in the chaos library if anyone is interested.

Seeker 2016-06-27 00:52:57 No.3897 >>3902

>>3883

What's it do?

Seeker 2016-06-27 06:25:42 No.3902 >>3917

>>3897

It uses an economy particle as an energy source.

Theoretically, imagine using it to draw energy from the economy of an enemy country or region.

But it only works if it's a harmful economy. One way of saying it, it's wearing down that economy and transforming it into an energy source under your control.

Seeker 2016-06-27 11:16:24 No.3908 >>3915

>>3883

sounds like a bunch of bs

Seeker 2016-06-27 16:25:10 No.3915 >>3918

>>3908

>>3883

>I don't really care, maybe it will help someone.

Seeker 2016-06-27 17:34:59 No.3917 >>3924

>>3902

>>3883

>evil economy

>They're the evil after all so this is no problem.

>harmful economy

Regardless of everything else that you wrote (it sounds like role-playing, but I'm not here to judge) do you really think that destroying any economy would be a smart and "good" thing to do?

I agree that the current world's state is largely due to corporate capitalism and its desire to consume all resources and making crazy moneys and I'd like to see this system torn down too, but do you think that ordinary people wouldn't be hurt in an economic crisis? Just look at the history of such cases.

The people on top - they will find a way to survive, they loose several billions then sure they won't be too happy, but the people on bottom have it much much worse. People having their life savings swept away, losing their jobs, not having money for food or a place to live - this is the "collateral damage" anyone who dreams about destroying the evil economy must take into account. Unless you don't care of course, the planet has too many occupants as it is after all.

So, who do you think you are helping apart from yourself?

Seeker 2016-06-27 17:59:24 No.3918 >>3924

>>3915

and maybe it will harm someone

we mustn't speak on things unless we are sure we speak truth

Seeker 2016-06-27 20:02:09 No.3924

>>3918

A truth.

There are many different truths in the same situation. As long as it doesn't harm an innocent person, that is enough.

>>3917

> this is the "collateral damage" anyone who dreams about destroying the evil economy must take into account. Unless you don't care of course, the planet has too many occupants as it is after all.

>

>So, who do you think you are helping apart from yourself?

When a bubble is created, it will create a crash sooner or later. If later, more people will have invested in it and the losses will be greater. It's better to crash it as fast as possible.

As for the people who made themselves dependent on an economy that only does harm, how are they not harmful in themselves?

A simple example, tabloids write a lot of crap that destroy morality and culture. To produce these papers, trees are cut down, trucks are used to transport them, paper is made etc, they are wasting gas, electricity, food, living somewhere, only to produce this. There's a whole line of people all producing this trash. The end result is damage to the environment as well as human culture.

Sure it's an economy that gives people jobs, housing and food, but they are still leeches. To be blunt it would be better to just give them money for nothing and let them stay home.

No trees are cut down, no bad news spread, no gas wasted in logistics, no wear on the roads. But how do you achieve that? I'm not a socialist so I can't say "redistribute wealth" or "social welfare".

Either way, if this kind of economy was to crash, it would still lead to people staying home and doing less harm. The farmers producing the food these people eat are not helped by tabloids anyway, they couldn't care less.

This is just one example.

As for the elite, the good part about this method I wrote about is that they do not get away. Remember the lehman brothers crash? Some people lost millions and ended up on the street. There were beggars with armani suits at the soup kitchens.

Seeker 2016-08-29 11:05:16 No.6205 >>6212

>>3883

How do I access the chaos library?

Seeker 2016-08-29 18:47:43 No.6212 >>6367

>>6205

I'm not sure about what to call the method specifically, maybe expanded telepathy is a way to describe it.

Most people probably start off being given access to certain parts by a librarian, and this, as far I know is only doable with person to person telepathy. After you work with the library for a while, you may understand how to access it without asking anyone.

The library itself will provide a key to trusted individuals, I believe it is magically protected and will grant this access to people with the right kind of thinking.

So in short, study chaos magic and learn telepathy, if you get good at it you will be able to sense these things naturally, they're "out there" for anyone who can reach them.

Seeker 2016-08-31 07:51:16 No.6367 >>6391 >>6416

>>6212

Oh I see. I was hoping to use the wand to go back in time, you see. I think, potentially, my life is irreparably bad so I'd like to go back to prior point. My eyes are set on the summer of 2013.

Seeker 2016-08-31 15:46:40 No.6391 >>6610 >>6402 >>6527

>>6367

To my understanding it's not possible for most humans to go back in time, you need to stop your own aging first, or you're bound to this timeline.

The idea of such a wand is definitely interesting, I will try to see if one exists.

I can think of 2 different versions of it:

>actual time travel wand, where you shift timelines and move in body

>"correctional" time travel, where you freeze and bring up the elements you want to change in your current timeline like looking in a microscope

I suggest looking for the second one in your case, if you shift timeline in body (supposing you can seperate yourself from aging) it still means you have to come back to this time and reconnect after the changes were made to not mess up everything, so the result is basically the same as the first method, it just has higher requirements.

If you just want to explore a different time without changing it however, the first type would be useful.

I'm just reasoning about it based on what I know from experience, I'll come back and post if I find anything supporting the existence of either type of wand.

Seeker 2016-08-31 18:44:29 No.6402 >>6407

>>6391

Can you like just one day wake up 10 years younger or something with insight from the future? Or on the other hand just travelling in the astral to different time lines and just waking up in a different universe.

If what you say is possible I imagine that would also be possible, though I'm assuming none of it is possible.

I don't really get your theoretical method though, like what you mean by stopping aging, or being bound to timeline, or 'move in body' (you mean physically?), or freezing up the elements (which realm?)(wouldn't changing any part of the timeline completely change reality and thus the frozen elements would be shifted or just gone and replaced with parallel elements?) or reconnecting back to this time after changes (this time period in a different timeline?) or etc…

Seeker 2016-08-31 19:16:45 No.6407 >>6413

>>6402

I know this may be "way out there" but I'll say it this way, earlier I used Sailor Moon as an example of a pretty strong synchronity, but I've experienced another one, and it still kinda freaks me out.

>Back in 2005 I had a dream, seeing something like a giant dark tree, at the edge of an abyss, in the background was blue sky, and there were some flying beings looking at it all. There was a thick atmosphere of something "horrible", un undescribable disaster about to happen.

I woke up covered in sweat and had a really bad feeling for the rest of the day.

Maybe you already recognized the image in the dream… pic related.

The song lyrics go

> ..like ancient magic, that I dreamed of when I was young

and there is talk of a disaster.

I now understand this image, the tree is time.

There are different brances representing different timelines, and they do not cross, they are different, like the plot explains.

You coming here asking about this is also "right on" somehow, it fits right in.

If you want to go back in time, you move back towards the thicker part of your branch, that is the same timeline. If you were to do this by the correctional method, you're actually just looking at the things that exist now, and trace their path of evolving into today's state. Then you change them accordingly to the desired result today.

If you were to travel physically back in time, it means the present stands still while you are "over there", time moves forward but you are not aging because that would require being in the present. Your present body can't age if not in the present, this is why it must be detached from aging before this is possible, or it would seem time has been subtracted from your body, with the same amount used during the travel, and your body wouldn't last all of your predestined time in the present after returning. The consequences of this can not be predicted, and are possible very negative.

Seeker 2016-08-31 19:38:03 No.6413 >>6416

>>6407

After posting that I actually considered this time travel to be a possiblity, and thought of everything I knew today to never be accessible again. Felt a strong emotion after a long time, one of mixed feelings involving some sort of pleasant remorse. Maybe my energy released messed around and created a synchronicity lol, though I don't think it matters.

On the other hand it was probably just your subconscious connecting things and letting it manifest into your reality, and maybe so am I, and so are you to me :p

>If you were to travel physically back in time, it means the present stands still while you are "over there", time moves forward but you are not aging because that would require being in the present. Your present body can't age if not in the present, this is why it must be detached from aging before this is possible, or it would seem time has been subtracted from your body, with the same amount used during the travel, and your body wouldn't last all of your predestined time in the present after returning. The consequences of this can not be predicted, and are possible very negative.

The improbability of that happening physically would mean an immense amount of etheric and astral energy to influence the quantum probabilities and let your new body manifest in the past. Simply because of the change in entropy ruining many future possibilities that are meant to happen through the butterfly effect would mean that it's for all intents and purposes impossible.

Because if it did it would simply change the eschatology of that universe. Pretty deep consequences that would defeat the purpose, I would think.

This is why I consider physical time travel to be pretty be not possible.

>If you want to go back in time, you move back towards the thicker part of your branch, that is the same timeline. If you were to do this by the correctional method, you're actually just looking at the things that exist now, and trace their path of evolving into today's state. Then you change them accordingly to the desired result today.

I suppose all that goes without saying. However I don't get why you keep bringing up the idea of the desired result today. I, and likely the other anon who started this discourse, want to leave this present reality and go back in time to relive these experiences in a different reality. The world of today is disappointing, but it's not just changing reality, it's reliving the moments that could have been. All the experiences that I could have had but didn't. Changing the past and coming back to today would mean one would miss out on that anyways.

Did you consider how I say

>Can you like just one day wake up 10 years younger or something with insight from the future? Or on the other hand just travelling in the astral to different time lines and just waking up in a different universe.

???

Sort of hijacking the consciousness of the younger self or letting yourself be absorbed, since the idea is to come back with insight from the future. Since without future knowledge literally the exact same things would happen again and no one would be the wiser…

I mean coming back to today would also require some sort of hijacking or assimilation. Otherwise there would be two of you! And you'd have to kill the one who genuinely experienced the different timeline

Seeker 2016-08-31 20:38:10 No.6416 >>6418 >>6424 >>6526

>>6413

>I, and likely the other anon who started this discourse, want to leave this present reality and go back in time to relive these experiences in a different reality. The world of today is disappointing, but it's not just changing reality, it's reliving the moments that could have been. All the experiences that I could have had but didn't. Changing the past and coming back to today would mean one would miss out on that anyways.

I misinterpreted the

>>6367

> my life is irreparably bad so I'd like to go back to prior point.

as wanting to change things to make the present better.

While

>>6413

> hijacking the consciousness of the younger self or letting yourself be absorbed, since the idea is to come back with insight from the future.

is an interesting idea for a fictional story, in reality you already used up this time (energy) and it can't be done again in the same timeline, because you had interactions with other people, in which karma was created and removed, undoing all of that would require the ability to balance all and every interaction you had with other people, even such a small thing as buying a pack of instant noodles. Someone produced it and made a small amount of money, there is a whole line of hands in between, you can't just remove this act. Then imagine all days filled with small things like this, changing it would take the power of a god, and if you had it you wouldn't need to go back in time to begin with. Consider it mostly impossible.

>Since without future knowledge literally the exact same things would happen again and no one would be the wiser…

But now you are talking of what the "correction" means, using your present knowledge to change the factors behind the present to change it as if you had done things differently in the past.

If you want to relive certain moments and change them, consider these 2 points

>1)what you experienced then, may not look as interesting if you were to go back and have another chance at it

I'll give an example:

>I was into a girl in high school, but never got anywhere. Moved away from here and didn't see her for 10 years. Then I came back and saw her at the train station. She's aged like shit, still used the same hair color, like she had frozen in time and not developed at all. Had a kid. She had turned into an old hag, while I feel and look a lot better then I did back then because I actually evolved. If I had not seen her as she is today, I may have wanted to go back and change things, but with the knowledge I have now, it's totally opposite. I'm glad I never touched her, it could have been me stuck with her now (the horror).

>2) The things you missed out on are still possible to live now, in principle. Don't be attached to what specific event you missed, you will have new changes right now or in the future.

Ok, maybe your relative died and you never fixed your relation or something, but this can still be done, you know where you're at, right? If this was the thing, you can contact the spirit of the person and fix this, or maybe they're already reincarnated and you can still fix it by meeting them again later. Just an example.

Only having experiences is always possible, but you need to believe it.

Seeker 2016-08-31 20:45:49 No.6418

>>6416

That said, I think the "correctional method" type of wand can be constructed, if it doesn't exist. I just have this feeling, somewhere at the back of my head, about how it would function.

Seeker 2016-08-31 21:44:04 No.6424 >>6425 >>6426

>>6416

>is an interesting idea for a fictional story, in reality you already used up this time (energy) and it can't be done again in the same timeline, because you had interactions with other people, in which karma was created and removed, undoing all of that would require the ability to balance all and every interaction you had with other people, even such a small thing as buying a pack of instant noodles. Someone produced it and made a small amount of money, there is a whole line of hands in between, you can't just remove this act. Then imagine all days filled with small things like this, changing it would take the power of a god, and if you had it you wouldn't need to go back in time to begin with. Consider it mostly impossible.

But those interactions wouldn't be removed. I would just be leaving my body, and it can go on without a spirit or it can be taken over by any entity. Or you could just kill yourself, it doesn't really matter since you are leaving the timeline. Maybe I'm missing something here, but you keep talking as if any change will be made to the current timeline. Absolutely nothing will happen on the physical level, only in the spiritual level. Surely this is more possible than any physical manipulation.

>But now you are talking of what the "correction" means, using your present knowledge to change the factors behind the present to change it as if you had done things differently in the past.

No, not changing factors behind the present. The present will be completely irrelevant when you go back in time. It's not as if you had done things differently in the past, there is no past anymore. The past becomes the present, or new reality.

Like you said, the multiple realities are like a tree. The branches represent different timelines and they do not cross. When you go backwards towards the thicker part of the branch, you change something and a new branch is made in a sense (well actually there would be an infinite amount of branches and you would be choosing one, doesn't really matter how one understands this part as it's the exact same thing).

What's important though is that going backwards towards the thicker part of the branch though can't happen physically, as they don't cross. A thin branch can't bend towards the thicker part and just grow/pop into it. Have to go backwards, and this in my understanding can only be done mentally/spiritually/etherically/astrally/etc.

One can just leave their body and travel backwards in time as an observer, this definitely can be done in the astral plane. Then maybe you can just enter your body from the past and be in a new reality.

The issue you bring about karmic interaction can be said about how the knowledge you learned came from interactions with other people. But that shouldn't matter really since one can have the same experiences just as well in a dream. Reality to the spirit is pretty much a dream anyways, just really consistent.

Your examples are pretty silly to me. It's not that I've missed experiences but rather I will end up missing experiences in my finite life. I've wasted years of my life being ignorant; what I am doing now I could have done 5 years ago. If I could live forever then it doesn't matter but basically one way or another I will miss out on 5 years of my life. And the other guy who asked was talking about how is life is irreparably bad. What if it's aids? How you gonna fix that huh?? Anyways it's pointless to talk like this.

Let's use logic to prove or disprove what is possible, that's definitely a discussion worth having. I mean honestly I don't care since it's better to accept reality and moving on instead of being stuck in the past with 'what ifs' and shit. But talking theoretically is hella fun!

Seeker 2016-08-31 21:45:24 No.6425 >>6612

>>6424

Highly relevant video

Seeker 2016-08-31 22:02:50 No.6426 >>6432

>>6424

> I would just be leaving my body, and it can go on without a spirit or it can be taken over by any entity. Or you could just kill yourself, it doesn't really matter since you are leaving the timeline. Maybe I'm missing something here, but you keep talking as if any change will be made to the current timeline. Absolutely nothing will happen on the physical level, only in the spiritual level. Surely this is more possible than any physical manipulation.

It's kind of hard for me to talk about it when I have my concepts clear but have no idea of where other people are. From what I understand, when things actually happened, you can't go back in time, to change one part because it is tied up in every other part. The branch isn't your own, it's shared with 1000s of people, all those who interact, and the current outcome is based on their collective actions and choices.

What I'm saying here is that other people who you interacted with are already done with that time, and they won't be there if you go back in time. You can't interact with them, because they are in the future, what is present now.

If you just want to leave this body and go look, it's like a movie and not different from how non physical entities overall have it, that's still time travel but losing the body is kinda dumb imo, if you have one you should make use of it, they would surely want one, so trading place could probably be done. But you'd soon realize why they wanted to do that, you're on the losing end here I think.

>Your examples are pretty silly to me. It's not that I've missed experiences but rather I will end up missing experiences in my finite life. I've wasted years of my life being ignorant; what I am doing now I could have done 5 years ago. If I could live forever then it doesn't matter but basically one way or another I will miss out on 5 years of my life.

Did you really "waste" those 5 years if you realized you were ignorant back before? You evolved during those 5 years. If you think life is too short, this isn't about time travel, it's about prolonging life. Check out the Qi Gong thread instead.

> the other guy who asked was talking about how is life is irreparably bad. What if it's aids? How you gonna fix that huh??

As if healing wasn't possible, and everything isn't a lesson? This sounds like an atheist "yolo" view, at least try to be openminded to the possibility.

Seeker 2016-08-31 22:59:42 No.6432

>>6426

>It's kind of hard for me to talk about it when I have my concepts clear but have no idea of where other people are. From what I understand, when things actually happened, you can't go back in time, to change one part because it is tied up in every other part. The branch isn't your own, it's shared with 1000s of people, all those who interact, and the current outcome is based on their collective actions and choices.

Then what about the people in parallel timelines. Surely they are not the same people? If parallel timelines exist, then logically there's no reason that a different version of them can't interact again in the past for a different timeline.

What you say only makes sense if there is only one timeline existing. Which is what I believe anyways but you're the one posting like it's not lol.

And regarding leaving my body to be an observer, when I said that I'm just talking about astral projection. OOBE? You leave your body every night when you sleep FYI. You always come back. There's apparently a silver cord you can sometimes see connecting you to your physical body.

However earlier I was talking about hijacking or assimilating with the body of my younger self. This would be after leaving my body in the present. Of course it would start out as a normal astral projection but then it would end with me cutting my connection to the present body and connecting to the silver cord of the body in the past to connect to a new timeline.

>What I'm saying here is that other people who you interacted with are already done with that time, and they won't be there if you go back in time. You can't interact with them, because they are in the future, what is present now.

Okay so how do you think reincarnation works? Or do you not believe in that? Does one only reincarnate going forward or what.

I pretty much agree with with some of the conclusions you are making, but the premise you are using to reach your conclusion don't seem that logical to me. Using logic might have you ending up with the same conclusion anyways, but it's important to actually be logical right? Like I said theorizing is hella fun

Let's simply stick to logic, the rest of this conversation shouldn't be happening. Like I said: Let's use logic to prove or disprove what is possible, that's definitely a discussion worth having. I mean honestly I don't care since it's better to accept reality and moving on instead of being stuck in the past with 'what ifs' and shit. But talking theoretically is hella fun!

>Did you really "waste" those 5 years if you realized you were ignorant back before? You evolved during those 5 years.

No actually I tried to get a long with my parents and failed continuously. I thought I could but now I know I can't. That's not really evolving at all. All the evolving I've done has had absolutely nothing to do with them. In fact I only regress interacting with them.

>As if healing wasn't possible, and everything isn't a lesson? This sounds like an atheist "yolo" view, at least try to be openminded to the possibility.

There's predestination and there's free will. There is such a thing as wasting your free will. I find it insulting and confusing what you said here anyways. I fully said ' honestly I don't care since it's better to accept reality and moving on instead of being stuck in the past with 'what ifs''

What the hell should I be openminded to anyways? Possibility to what? You cut yourself short there

This kind of discussion is a waste, I'm not here for personal advice and it surely has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. Astral time travel is still tangentially related.

Seeker 2016-09-01 07:48:21 No.6526 >>6545

>>6416

>I may have wanted to go back and change things, but with the knowledge I have now, it's totally opposite. I'm glad I never touched her, it could have been me stuck with her now (the horror).

You seem to be implying that she would've turned out the way she did, regardless of what you would've ever said or done with her. It's as though you believe that she was some kind of sinking ship that you just barely avoided. That you dodged some kind of bullet. This thorough rejection of the notion that the very fact that you left her might've played some kind of role in her downfall is strange to me. This is not only strange to me because you're on /fringe/ and being aware of how your actions affect others and karma. It's also strange because /fringe/ seems to be a very strong believer of the malleability of women. That, due to their feminine nature, they simply take the shape of their container so again, the idea that you could've prevented this should be intuitive. You've somehow concluded that she was going to be like this though. Can you explain?

Seeker 2016-09-01 08:14:15 No.6527 >>6546

>>6391

>>"correctional" time travel, where you freeze and bring up the elements you want to change in your current timeline like looking in a microscope

>bring up the elements you want to change

What? You mean, I can basically live my normal, current life but I can take a pen that I lost from an earlier point in my current life with me into the present moment? Like that?

Seeker 2016-09-01 18:15:33 No.6545 >>6607

>>6526

>You've somehow concluded that she was going to be like this though. Can you explain?

I have since met many women just like her, meaning I now know how they function. What I saw back then was not the real her, I was too shallow in my view of females. Having seen it many times, now I know her type all too well, and if I had had this knowledge back then I could have discarded this "opportunity" at once instead of wasting time being interested in her.

You can only change so much about a person, and if you start off way too far from the ideal you can never reach it. I don't really like her type, I just didn't know this before.

What you're saying sounds to me like I should buy a car with an irreperable hidden malfunction because I can fix it. No, if it's broken like this it is, and I'm glad I saved my money.

Your reasoning is something quite common among /pol/acks unfortunately (not saying you are one, but you talk like one), I think this is victimizing women who don't deserve it. Or you're a female yourself, I can't tell. There is something feminist behind that idea. "Accept women like they are and change them later" sounds good but is just tricking you into something you're going to regret.

I'm not buying something I need to work on, I want it right from the start.

Seeker 2016-09-01 18:22:00 No.6546 >>6607

>>6527

>You mean, I can basically live my normal, current life but I can take a pen that I lost from an earlier point in my current life with me into the present moment? Like that?

If that pen was so important to you, maybe.

But I'd think it works best in principle, meaning if you lost a valuble pen you can get a pen back.

Actually I've constructed a simple wand like this, its blueprint is in the library. If you do manage to access it you will understand the exact function when studying it. Things in the library are all just manuals, you have to make the wands yourself.

Don't expect too much from this one though, it can only correct things that were done wrong based on karma, like something was wrongfully taken from you by someone. Then it can correct this, you get the same value back in some form.

Seeker 2016-09-02 01:16:40 No.6579 >>6588

Nothing pisses me off more than roleplayers and escapists. Well, perhaps self-important roleplayers and escapists.

>muh astral

Seeker 2016-09-02 01:23:23 No.6580 >>6588

>I'm so kool cuz I can dissociate from my incarnation and go back to wandering the astrul

>it's like so pleb to have a anthropomorphic vessel

>riddles on the astrul

>I love leaving my body vacant and more vulnerable to foreign entity possession

>just dissociate my shit up fam

Seeker 2016-09-02 04:51:30 No.6588

>>6579

>>6580

>he fell for the paganism meme

Seeker 2016-09-02 04:54:24 No.6589 >>6590

>>3883

I feel like I'm missing something here. Why do you need a blueprint? I understand how you can't do some stuff until you learn more, but shouldn't you just be able to will this wand into your mind? Blueprints implies resources that are made into a finished product, but don't you have an unlimited supply of "resources" in the astral?

Seeker 2016-09-02 06:41:41 No.6590

>>6589

Blueprints are to be left for the future generations of chaos wizards. That's why you're encouraged to make one and donate it to the library if you make a decent wand.

>Blueprints implies resources that are made into a finished product

The resource is your own energy, the wand becomes an extension of your mind when finished. "Blueprint" is just a contemporary word to give you an idea. It may be called "manual" as well, except today this word makes people think of a book you get with a finished product, which this isn't.

You do will it into existence, but the construct may be very complex, so you may not understand its function without a complete image to study.

Seeker 2016-09-03 16:31:13 No.6607 >>6611

Ah, the site's back online.

>>6545

>What I saw back then was not the real her

Oh I see. I misinterpreted your words. I had assumed that you were talking about a woman who was originally a mentally healthy, good woman but, due to falling on hard times, had deteriorated. Deep down, she was actually good but was ruined. I see that instead, you never even knew who she was deep down. This changes everything.

>What you're saying sounds to me like I should buy a car with an irreperable hidden malfunction because I can fix it. No, if it's broken like this it is, and I'm glad I saved my money.

No, I was actually saying that even the best cars fall apart without maintenance.

>I think this is victimizing women who don't deserve it.

How? By loading unfulfillable expectations onto women?

>Or you're a female yourself

Why would a female be incentivised to make my (apparent) argument?

>>6546

Ah, it sounds like one of those government programs. If you were taxed excessively for whatever reason, you can reclaim that lost money. Perhaps life has been too mean to me and so I'll have very nice coincidences? Or perhaps life has been too nice and I'll have some terrible accidents?

Seeker 2016-09-03 17:21:39 No.6610 >>6612

>>6391

>To my understanding it's not possible for most humans to go back in time, you need to stop your own aging first, or you're bound to this timeline.

The reason why I believe time travel is possible is because of the embedded video.

The 3rd dimension only exists mathemetically as a concept. The reality is that everything we see is not as it is but as it was some time ago. This length of time is mostly determined simply by the distance between the object and the observer (your eyeball).

The 4th dimension is what we actually live in. Space-time. It can be considered to be a linear series of 3D instants, much like a film reel. If you could see your self in the 4th dimension, you'd see a long, undulating snake which at one end, looks like your baby-self and at the other, looks like your old man-self.

The 5th dimension is the space of 4-dimensional lines. It's a kind of "probability space". Each and every time you make a choice, you go down one of the infinite branches in the 5th dimension. As you observe your current reality, you are unable to observe the others.

You'll notice that the creator of the documentary rejects Stephen Hawking's rejection of the existence of Free Will.

>actual time travel, where you shift timelines and move in body

Technically, you wouldn't be moving in body at all. You're just moving your self (spirit) to another point in the universe however, you're using the 4th dimension to do this.

Also:

>>3883

>It turned out a rather powerful one and I can use it for what I wanted.

I misinterpreted this line. I thought that the wand could be used to fulfill any desire when really, it's just that it happens to do what the poster wanted. All of this time travel stuff started from that misreading of mine.

Seeker 2016-09-03 18:25:14 No.6611 >>7307 >>6961 >>6617

>>6607

>stuff about females

I was referring to an annoying tendency among /pol/ posters to complain about feminists, only to defend and victimize them in the next second.

It usually goes something like

>women today are sluts and ride the cock carousel until they're used up 30+ rosties and then they expect a "beta provider" to marry them

then suddenly victimizing them

>we have to protect white women from the immigrants, they have been brainwashed by jews to become sluts, if we just man up we can change them

…which actually is a "cuck" "whiteknight" mentality in /pol/ thinking. I don't like incosistances like this. Which is it, women are sluts who don't deserve marraige, or they are victims of brainwashing?

If you don't know what I'm talking about, just let it pass, then it wasn't aimed at you.

Seeker 2016-09-03 18:40:52 No.6612

>>6610

This video seems similar to what was posted here

>>6425

It's not a new concept, I rememer reading the "flatland" story back in early 90s, tho dimensions 5 - 10 has been added later.

I have no problems with this theory, it's pretty close to what I know from experiences working with this energetically, but as it uses only logic there are some things missing. It's to be expected when it's mundane science so taking it for what it is, it's ok.

The reason I can't go by the "logic" reasoning of previous poster is that my own research has shown things to be different from what mere logic can tell. It can't be explained logically, but it makes sense, and it places particle theory very nicely in the same build as prime numbers and the meaning of black holes.

It won't be accepted by science currently, but it should be noted one part was confirmed last year. Do you remember the guy who gave a logical proof that there are a limited number of prime numbers? It coincided with me putting this together and posting it online…

Though my way of using it is not how sience treats it, I found each prime number to correspond to a particle, and this can be used in magick to create unbreakable shields.

This is the secret behind the "invulnerable tank" you may have experienced if you've practiced combat magic lately. It doesn't matter if I expose it here, it's unbreakable so others knowing the secret poses no threat.

Seeker 2016-09-03 19:01:24 No.6617 >>7299 >>6625

>>6611

How is that an inconsistency "they have been brainwashed by jews to become sluts" explains the first thing. sluts don't deserve marriage,

we have to protect women so they don't become sluts and are good for marriage. The only thing messed up about pol is taking nationalism too far and turning it into racism of white power and saying niggers/shitskins are objectively bad. if they accepted that nationalism can be good for everyone within their respective communities and race then it would make them totally redpilled

Seeker 2016-09-03 19:29:07 No.6622 >>7299 >>7307 >>6961 >>6795 >>6784 >>6625 >>6623

How did the /pol/ cucks fuck up yet another thread initially nothing to do with /pol/ shit?

Shitty moderation.

Seeker 2016-09-03 19:32:57 No.6623

>>6622

Double dubs speak the truth.

Seeker 2016-09-03 19:34:09 No.6625 >>7307 >>7299 >>6784

>>6617

>we have to protect women so they don't become sluts

This is where /pol/ thinking derails itself. This is exactly victimizing unworthy women, treating them as if they have no personal responsibility for becoming sluts.

Why not go all the way and put burkas on them while you're at it.

>>6622

sorry

Seeker 2016-09-04 02:22:56 No.6784 >>7299

>>6625

Everyone is responsible for each other. I'm sure there's a group of redpilled women discussing how to make emasculated men more alpha and how to avoid the harmfulness of feminism. Them taking responsibility for everything would make them just as right as the men taking responsibility for everything. everyone has to protect each other, it's not an exclusive thing.

Nothing is absolute in it's meaning, stop thinking so literally.

Not to mention I never said that women aren't responsible for themselves. You're just picking up on implications that aren't there, stop seeing only what you want to see. FYI I only used the words 'we have to protect' because you used the same words in your silly accusation, which was a number of assumptions on top of each other. You pretty much assumed another anon matches the false stereotype that you have in your perception, that's pretty messed up.

Anyways I could go on and on about all the logical fallacies but let's not shit up this thread. If you really want to continue this discussion then find/make another thread or maybe we can move it to the question thread. although I hate the pill meme, suffice to say the people at pol are very red pilled and very close to being green pilled. instead of misidentifying their ideologies it would be much better and very easy to bring awareness to the spiritual side of the truth

>>6622

Hey I'm saging here. I guess that doesn't help

Seeker 2016-09-04 02:29:27 No.6795 >>7337 >>6961

>>6622

Anyways, to get the thread back on topic

I think the thread is a little silly as accessing things like the akashic records (the term is a metaphor of course) simply requires raising your awareness or vibration or reaching a high enough astral plane, or whatever.

So it'd be more efficient to simply talk about how one can increase their resonance or reach higher astral planes, which can be discussed in meditation thread or astral projection thread respectively

HOWEVER

although the akashic records is a metaphor of course, maybe there are other sorts of libraries. OP specifically said>

>Just walking in wouldn't be possible, as they are very high security places, often requiring certain achievements or the solving of riddles for a section to open up.

When I read very high security places what came to mind is astral projecting to the white house or something, there's almost definitely astral versions of the CIA or something. Also there's probably some crazy places in the middle east.

There is very likely nonphysical repositories of information, maybe someone actually knows about them

Seeker 2016-09-04 04:48:31 No.6961 >>7337 >>7307 >>7299

>>6611

There's a difference between the ideals a person's carry and the implementation of those ideals into reality. Quite often in life and war and love, you have to do things you don't want to do right now for the sake of some overarching goal.

In /pol/'s case, there's no inconsistency. They're saying that they cannot marry a woman in this day and age because they have evaluated these women to be unmarriageable and they're also saying white women need to be protected from physical (Islamic terrorism) and cultural (Jews) threats. When they say these seemingly contradictory things, they're looking at women as they are right now in order to examine the feasibility of implementing their ideals into reality and they're also looking at women holistically, to examine the very ideals that they and their fellow whites should be living by.

Ideals & Implementations of said ideals into reality: that is what this comes down to. It pisses you off because for any person who gives a damn about ideals, the whole point of having those ideals is because you care about the process and journey of living. Abandoning them for their sake basically defeats the purpose of having them to begin with.

>>6622

We're not discussing /pol/ shit. We were discussing responsibility, femininity, ideals, etc. We just happen to go into topics that /pol/ especially obsesses over. It's like, we were talking about electronic circuits and some kind of chip comes up in conversation. This chip is often seen in mobile phones so we drift in to a phone-subtopic for a while but it's always just a subtopic.

Overall, I really don't like how, because these are all topics that /pol/ specialises in that they're basically "/pol/-branded" now. Nobody else is allowed to discuss them. It really stifles the free-flowing nature of the conversation.

>>6795

This all sounds very interesting.

Seeker 2016-09-04 11:00:55 No.7299

>>6617

>>6622

>>6625

>>6784

>>6961

Thread here for this:

http://fringechan.org/arcane/res/244.html

Seeker 2016-09-04 13:17:44 No.7307 >>7316

>>6611

Your view is fundamentally and embarrassingly flawed. You're mixing up and misrepresenting two different contexts and applying a definite and absolute view to both. I don't think the problem lies in your past, it lies within you.

>>6622

Did you even read the whole thread? The guy got called out and can't think properly but attrtibutes the problem to /pol/.

>>6625

>personal responsibility

By the same token you assume every woman has that capacity. Personal responsibility is a trait that has to be ingrained in someone, and even then not all people especially low iq can develop it because it requires a level of awareness. And because it is a trait that has to be taught, there must be an environment that fosters that trait, instructs that trait, and facilitates that trait. In other words, regardless of your obsession with /pol/ and what you perceive them to believe, personal responsibility - for all purposes - requires enforcement. Using your own dysfunctional logic, children are being "victimized" for not knowing any better. Lastly, personal responsibility isn't exactly a fostered trait in the modern era. When subtle virtues like that are downplayed, everyone is affected and the first to lose it are the ones that are less expected to utilize it: women and children. Funny, "women and children" used to be such a common grouping.

>>6961

>/pol/ is one person

Also, how are those things contradictory? Can two separate problems not affect the same subject concurrently? Can you not save & protect something while fixing it? If the islamic terror thing wasn't an issue would that somehow resolve this "contradiction?"

Seriously, how did you and the initiate-flag guy arrive at the error in thinking?

Seeker 2016-09-04 18:04:54 No.7316 >>7317

>>7307

>Also, how are those things contradictory?

I think you may have misread my post.

The poster I was replying to was arguing that it was hypocritical for /pol/ to argue that women are unmarriageable because they spend their 20s riding the CC, not developing motherly skills, losing their capacity to pair-bond, etc. and at the same time, still talk about how women are innocent and need to be protected so children can be had with them. I was explaining why it's not contradictory.

My explanation was that they are assessing the current situation as it is (women cannot be married) and at the same time, assessing the situation holistically (white women are a necessary part of western civilisation). There's a local perspective and a global perspective.

Are we on the same page?

Seeker 2016-09-04 19:21:14 No.7317 >>7325

>>7316

>My explanation was that they are assessing the current situation as it is (women cannot be married) and at the same time, assessing the situation holistically (white women are a necessary part of western civilisation).

Ok, then. If this is just talking hypothetically I guess you can say there's no contradiction in what you said, but this was not what I was attacking. But I've already laid this out in the linked /arcane/ thread so I'm not repeating it.

If we are talking practically here, my view is that the women now in their 20s to 30s are a lost generation. Let them serve as an example for the next generation of what not to do. Let them be miserable and alone. Men can still have kids in their 70s, there's no need to hurry in finding a decent wife.

Maybe you think age differences are a problem, but let me tell you it works both ways. Where I live there's both the old men with young asian wifes, and the women in their 40s marrying a guy in his early 20s. People talk shit about it but why let this get to you? They talk shit about everyone so if it isn't this they find something else to trash talk you over. Better then just do what you think is right and what makes you happy.

Seeker 2016-09-05 04:39:53 No.7325 >>7365

>>7317

>Let them be miserable and alone.

I think the women of Russia, after going through their communist phase, are starting to return to femininity. The current generation of women are learning from the previous and, despite the feminist dogma, are re-embracing femininity. They (albeit begrudgingly) acknowledge the necessity of men and so they're willing to accept their place.

>Men can still have kids in their 70s

Woah, woah now. Even though this is true, let's not act like there's nothing wrong with that. You should know that the likelihood of a child inheriting genetic defects increases with the age of either of the child's parents. It's known that the chances of a woman having a child with down's syndrome skyrockets once they pass 35 however this does not mean that it's okay for old men to sire children.

Firstly, there's Autism. Secondly, there's the generational/cultural gap (although I suppose that's less of a problem since the essence of masculinity which all men need to have has been distilled thus allowing you to be a masculine role model, regardless of your age).

>Where I live there's both the old men with young asian wifes

According to what I've read, those young asian wifes aren't loyal. They'll tell you that they need to phone to speak to their "brother" and may even ask you to pay for their "brother" to come over to the country. (To be fair though, typically, those old guys know about these things and are just paying for company)

This situation is not ideal but tolerable nonetheless. The number of men who'll go into old age alone with no family and have to import an asian wife in a healthy society will never be that dramatic.

>and the women in their 40s marrying a guy in his early 20s

I've rarely heard about this but the few times I have, it's been stated that those men are on a clock. They have no business, no assets, etc. Their only value is their good looks. They argue that most relationships have an unknown clock and this man is basically completely dependent on the woman. He's sold his most valuable asset: his independence and now, in order to minimise the damage from the potential fallout, he can't build anything else for himself so when the times comes, he's a sitting duck. In a sense, he is in control as she's the one who suffers from the fallout (i.e. alimony payments, etc.) but nonetheless, the man lives a life where his only hobby is weightlifting. I don't know if we should really live in a society where it's considered okay for young, virile men to attach themself to a woman of such advanced age.

The whole purpose of marriage in the end was that it was basically the government's sanctioning of reproduction. In a marriage between an older woman and a younger man, the older woman most likely cannot bear children or she can only bear defective children. An old man is guaranteed to produce defective children. Both of these examples of marriages that you've provided are scenarios where it is very clear from the outset that with these marriages, reproduction is not the focus and so I think these things decay the root of marriage and thus, the root of the nuclear family. I don't think they should be outlawed however I do think the fact that its practitioners are socially ostracized is a good thing.

Embed related, starting from 3:09 or just follow the link:

https://youtu.be/NXJ3V55ii-U?t=3m9s

>People talk shit but why let this get to you

I want to be conscious of how my actions affect other people. If I'm going to hurt others, I want it to be for good reason. If I'm going to be hurt by others, I want it to be for good reason. I want to be liked by others and I see nothing wrong with this.

>Better then just do what you think is right and what makes you happy

Our actions affect those around us. I thought /fringe/ was all about raising your awareness and karma and stuff. This kind of sounds like moral relativism being used to justify hedonism.

Seeker 2016-09-05 09:14:18 No.7337

well this thread got weirdly derailed . at least there's a thread for it now

>>>/arcane/244

even for posts in this thread it's a good idea to reply over there by cross-board referencing

though would be nice to have a thread on this board about male and female energy, how it manifest in the physical with genders/roles, and how negative forces attempt to co-opt these genders/roles

>>6795

>>6961

One time I read about some military guy coming across this weird rituals with possible aliens in the middle of no where in a desert. It may have been fake (or possibly hallucinated, visions of the astral) but influenced by what's real. makes you think

Seeker 2016-09-05 17:56:07 No.7365 >>7419 >>250

>>7325

>this does not mean that it's okay for old men to sire children.

Actually I have to counter this, there's another study supporting old men - young women relations.

>Telomeres are repeating DNA sequences at the ends of chromosomes that protect and buffer genes from nucleotide loss as cells divide. Telomere length (TL) shortens with age in most proliferating tissues, limiting cell division and thereby contributing to senescence. However, TL increases with age in sperm, and, correspondingly, offspring of older fathers inherit longer telomeres. Using data and samples from a longitudinal study from the Philippines, we first replicate the finding that paternal age at birth is associated with longer TL in offspring (n = 2,023, P = 1.84 × 10−6). We then show that this association of paternal age with offspring TL is cumulative across multiple generations: in this sample, grandchildren of older paternal grandfathers at the birth of fathers have longer telomeres (n = 234, P = 0.038), independent of, and additive to, the association of their father’s age at birth with TL. The lengthening of telomeres predicted by each year that the father’s or grandfather’s reproduction are delayed is equal to the yearly shortening of TL seen in middle-age to elderly women in this sample, pointing to potentially important impacts on health and the pace of senescent decline in tissues and systems that are cell-replication dependent. This finding suggests a mechanism by which humans could extend late-life function as average age at reproduction is delayed within a lineage.

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/26/10251.full?sid=16abfade-ac8e-45ec-8256-3e5dd28fc722

>youtube vid

Interesting discussion but I feel this is more relevant in those countries where "gay marriage" is a thing. Where I live it's legally the same function but gay's still can't get married so the institutions are defined as different legal institutions still.

From a legal point of view children are not effected by their parent's registered relation in any way, so the procreative part does not apply. In the case one part in a lesbian couple gets a kid, the care of the child is still legally divided between the father and the mother.

All this is pretty messed up, I can agree on that, because procreative relations do no longer exist from a legal standpoint. This probably has to do with the welfare state replacing the parents as ultimately responsible for the children's upbringing.

Seeker 2016-09-06 18:16:23 No.7419

>>7365

Lurkers who want to read the following discussion should come over to /arcane/

http://fringechan.org/arcane/res/244.html#244

Seeker 2016-11-23 03:59:49 No.10209

I've had an experience with Astral Libraries. Several actually, though the same section of the same one. A few of the posts here were enlightening in showing bizarre similarity to what I experienced.

Specifically, dealing with a 'Librarian' and having limited access that through interaction, I slowly earn more access to books and other sections of.

The Angel- the 'Librarian' I've since learned is most probably a 'Dominion', or member of the 6th of 9 ranks of angelic hierarchy. Unlike my summoned Guiding Angel who I kind of 'followed the link' through, to figure out which middleman assigned her when I made the answered request for aid; this entity is terrifyingly powerful. Obscenely so.

Remember those stories in scripture about people being overwhelmed with awe and fear in sight of the angels of the Lord? I, being the stubborn idiot I am, vaguely irritated her with ill-advised commentary and got flashed with what I can only describe as eyes and TOO MANY WINGS. Rather than a merely mental backlash and tingle to the skin, it was like my entire nervous system was overloaded and I was physically forced to curl up into a ball until the 'Librarian' drew back the lid on that power.

Needless to say, I've since been exceedingly respectful and actually managed to learn her name. Which makes one hell of a trump card in the spiritual dimension, I've got to admit. She isn't anything like my own Guardian and so doesn't ever stick around, but when the name is used I can feel her attention shift.

Back to the Library itself.

Having accessed it initially through request and being BROUGHT there by my summoned guide, I have since been able to return without her assist prompting the move. I have access to a number of shelves but haven't tried doing more than requesting the Dominion Librarian's recommendation. I've also made sure to return books (I've taken as many as four at a time) the following dream/meditation-walk without any prompting, just in case and because she scared the shit out of me despite remaining mostly 'friendly' to both me and my guide.

I've gotten the strong and distinct impression that this isn't the grand records that some of you have spoke of, which some others might perceive to be God; but instead one of MANY such angelic libraries.

The marble steps leading up to the library-proper I first appeared in…well, following them down and out instead of inside, my guide was carefully helping me brush past with denizens of what appeared to be some sort of angelic city that actually hurt to look at directly.

Being shielded by the more familiar Angel's wings to block out or limit sight until I could train myself to handle bits and pieces more, has been interesting and very instructional.

But yes, Spiritual Libraries exist.

Treat them with respect. In the reading of the books you'll more often than not get flashes of insight, vivid perceptions, and mixed images that your mind has to piece together and make sense of itself. The information is helpful, but it's still beyond my ability to make accurate heads of tails of most of it. Mostly I've been politely pestering friendly spirits for exploration since I'd still consider myself fairly new to this.