Any posts about trancework and related astral projection go here, p-pls? Thank you

So I've been practicing with trance so I can eventually get I to what Franz Bardon refers to as "Astral projection", which granted, is not like the ap we typically refer to, but more what is modernly called plenary trance, a state where you essentially put 99.9% of your spiritual awareness in the astral with just enough left in the physical vessel to keep you "alive", although cold and stiff, not even breathing. This practice can be seen with Buddhist mummies that, when they decide to leave this plane for good they get into a deep plenary trance in which they basically move on into the afterlife while their physical vessel, not consuming any sort of energy itself, just sits there to help ground the spirit in eternity. An interesting thing about this practice is that, according to Franz Bardon, because this trance leaves so little lifeforce to your physical vessel, any physical contact with a moderate sized being, like a mouse or a cat, will be enough to electrocute you and quickly release you fully into the astral, but of course it's worth it because with almost all your lifeforce being astral, you can work in the astral at your full capacity, enabling some strong wizards to even pull off ghost-tier shit, which even mundanes can do when undead.

Btw here's some tips on trancework and AP I wrote down cause I tend to forget

• master Bardonian astral projection
> fully tune out my physical body senses
''i - astral senses stronger than physical senses = astral senses dominant
i - trance makes physical senses weaker
i - practice makes astral senses stronger''

>>2084
he has shades on lol

>>2084
>everyone else: it is literally impossible to die during astral traveling, your silver chord and the connection to your body is unbreakable so have no worries at all

>Bardon: the silver chord is very fragile. If anything disturbs you in the slightest YOU WILL DIE

Oh man, Bardon vs everyone else...though decision whom to believe in all actuality

>>2089
Ophiel and Draja Mickaharic say the same thing as Bardon. The problem here is that most people don't think about astral projection as this very deep state that leaves your body in a fragile position.
Regular astral travel, such as the one you do while sleeping or by bilocating is safe.

>>2089
>is unbreakable
No one worth their salt has ever said that. Only that generally you're life force is still quite strong in the physical body making the silver chord strong. Instead of being 99% into astral its only like 25%. You honestly don't need a lot to get the job done, I regularly do split mind ap and also ap in my dreams.

I'm kind of confused by what people write here. Does "AP" imply the ability to exit their bodies like ghosts in this world or is "the astral" become such a diluted term that (lucid) dreaming and visualization are being equated to having an astral projection?

>bilocation
Is this another diluted term?

>>2092
When you imagine your oneitis nude while you masturbate like a monkey you are in fact engaging with the astral, just weakly (like your character and willpower).
If you want a precise term then use Jung’s “imaginal”. Terms out of the 19th Century rehashing of ancient traditions are all derivative and vague. They are diluted by design because the tradition is artificial. Don’t get your panties in a bunch just because someone uses your already vague and confused terminology “wrong”.

>>2092
I bet you don’t even know why it’s called “astral” in the first place.
I swear fucking poser “purists”.

Why get triggered to respond without even answering my question?

>Astral projection (or astral travel) is a term used in esotericism to describe a willful out-of-body experience (OBE) that assumes the existence of a soul or consciousness called an "astral body" that is separate from the physical body and capable of travelling outside it throughout the universe.

>Bilocation, or sometimes multilocation, is an alleged psychic or miraculous ability wherein an individual or object is located (or appears to be located) in two distinct places at the same time.

>>2091
I can't even leave my body once, not even with 25%. Even thought I tried countless times not even the sleep paralysis will come. Sometimes swirling light and colors in my vision will start and the body will start to feel tingly but then it goes away as soon as it started, doesn't even reach high levels and nothing happens. I lie forever until it gets so uncomfortable that concentration becomes impossible. FML

>>2095
Does bilocation also refer to an early stage of teleportation or are those considered seperate phenomena?

>>2095
But I answered. They’re not diluted terms. They are vague from the start. Unless you want to go by the wikipedia definition, written by clueless people who don’t even believe such a thing exists.
You think I didn’t answer because I didn’t give you the polarized answer you are trained to crave. Let me tell you clearly: your question is wrong because its based on false assumptions.
Astral travel technically encompases all the forms of imagination, ranging from visualization to full blown OBE. It is a vague term and everybody chooses where the cutoff point is. Use another term if that bothers you.
Bilocation is also vague in the sense that it can mean both perception of two places at once (intersecting the term “astral projection”) and being perceived in two places at once by other people.

>>2097
Trying to figure it out myself. I think teleportation is an extreme type of both astral projecion and bilocation, but that’s conjecture.

>>2098
So in your opinion, say when a shaman flies with a bird, is it bilocation or astral projection?

I've done astral travel but I've never considered this to be an actual out of body experience, rather I was under the impression that this takes place within your inner dimensions in communication with an external entity guiding you to solve issues within yourself.
Traveling in the physical world outside of your body seems sort of like a contradiction to me as it's not the same dimension as where your astral body/spirit exists. The only way to leave your body would have to be when going upward, going downward would be going deeper inside yourself. I've seen claims that "hell" does not exist because people can't find it when astrally projecting, but of course they can't since "hell" is in the flesh, letting the desires and attachments take over and staying within the boundaries of your flesh body.

>>2098
>Astral travel technically encompases all the forms of imagination, ranging from visualization to full blown OBE. It is a vague term and everybody chooses where the cutoff point is. Use another term if that bothers you.
This is why I call it a dilution if it doesn't fit the wikipedia description. I remember someone saying that having dreams is equal to having your feet in the water while an OBE is equal to diving deeply into the ocean. The more you're in the 'ocean' the more you're having a real, solid experience with decreasing need to fill the space with imagination which can dilute the experience. My confusion stems from the inability to comprehend how snotty /x/ brats and 'spiritual' boomer gurus can go around and talk of "astral projection" without ever having exited their body and instead talk of experiences that can be equated with daydreaming.When I called them out on this they attacked me and said what I experienced as astral projection (=OBE) was "just sleep paralysis" and "hallucination".

This is my goal. One day just to be able to sit down for meditation, go into the astral and never come back. It's not consindered suicide right?

>>2106
That's exactly what death is. Except that if you're unprepared when the time comes, you're going to go into a very long and confusing dream and possibly get assimilated or recycled.
The whole point of this is learning spirituals skills you can use in the afterlife.
So get your ass into shape now before it's too late boy.

>>2107
exactly my plan. Althought I do not believe the consequences are as grave as you make them out to be if one is really unprepared and has no idea

How to astral project:
1. Git gud at multi-sensory visualization
2. Git gud at complete stillness and relaxation
3. Use 2 to disconnect your senses and 1 to move around
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4. PROFIT!!!

Also, always move from point A to point B starting at the physical location where your body is, and return all the way back. That way you anchor yourself and don't risk getting lost in fantasy as much, and minimize the loss of energy (perhaps even gather some along the way).

>>i can't AP

>lie down on back
>pointer and thumb touching, arms down your legs so the circle wont break by fingers moving after you let the body relax after falling asleep in a tension
>if something is itching, don't itch it
>focus on not breaking your finger circles

How to into "trancework"

>breathe to the pace of video
>sitting perfectly still
>only allowed to do spontaneous kriyas to correct posture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuE0XtYtWT4&t=625s