Wizards discussing wizardly things

How do I reincarnate without losing my memories?

>>1490
1. Become immortal, no need to reincarnate.
2. Create a servitor that'll give you all your memories in your next life.
3. Body hop.
Maybe some others but these are the main ones.

>>1491
I'd say number two is the most realistic one, but even then you need quite an infrastructure to support that servitor (more like an egregore really) for who knows how long between incarnations. Monks supposedly do this? Or do they just care about "finding the next one"?
Very related to this: Game of Saturn. See related interviews on The Higher Side Chats and Runesoup.

Mods, sticky this shit. You don't want to lose this thread in the sea of bumps that is fringebay.

>>1492
Agreed

>>1493
lol

Maybe this site being as slow as it is we don't really need a questions thread.

Thanks to spirituality being dead, certain things, like the modern "feminist" movement not only sows discord, hysteria and confusion among people, but short-circuits something as simple as the fact that every home used to have a mother who cooked and subconsciously imbued the food with love and good intent. Nowadays people consider this nonsense, because in a materialistic world an organic burger from the corner joint is just as good, right? I'm sure this kind of homemade magic has been a cornerstone of human health for centuries.
Those of you who take note, how do you cope with things like these? It's truly horrific.

>>1490
can't remember, shoot.

>>1492
>>1502
>sticky
lel, i like it better unstickied. dont know why, just feels better.

supreme thread pic btw.

>>1526
Any thoughts on the Succubus Collective? I find the idea of becoming one rather attractive, sounds like a fancy ticket to immorality if it actually just werks.

>>1554
As I understand them, succubi and incubi are really simple creatures. I doubt their sentience is more advanced than a servitor's, honestly. I definitely wouldn't want to become that.

Nor I think it's possible.

>>1554
>fancy ticket to immorality
There is no easy way to gain immortality except through hard work for many years.

>>1554
It's propaganda plain and simple. Succubi are simple beings native to the lower-astral, they don't really have any potential either, as soon as you become a succubus you lose your godspark and any hopes of ascension. Now of course everything's mutable, but re-becoming a human would take millions of years. Keep in mind, as a spirit you lose your animalistic sex-drive, they're trying to lure you in with something you won't even care about when you die, but of course if you sign yourself over now, it'll be too late

>>1554
>sounds like a fancy ticket to immorality if it actually just werks.
That's the thing, it doesn't work. Succubi are elemental beings and don't have a divine spirit. Humans naturally have an immortal spirit, your Earthly body and ego will eventually die off, but the astral body is kept alive by simply breathing and not getting ripped apart, which is pretty easy in a place where you can just teleport to a higher frequency than danger's reach. After that you have the immortal spirit, your pure awareness and deepest innermost desires and calling, this is literally immortal and can only be transmuted into other things through merging with another being, such as The All, but even then, once you merge with the being, you'll still feel like "it's you". There will never be an empty blackness akin to the athiestic view of death, unless you're a Buddhist, but they want that and it's extremely hard to achieve so it's not like you can just fall into it accidentally

>>1517
Eh, I try not to focus too much on things like that, but believe me I know what ya mean. I feel like alot of this is necessary because the vast majority of 3D consciousness needs suffering to grow, us cultivators usually ascend after their incarnation unless they were really unbalanced but things like normalfags, bears, niggers? They're content with sitting around consuming resources, and not that I think they should be looked down upon for that, (we were all like that once), they won't change or grow until there's something bothering them enough to put in the effort, and that usually equates to being thrown into a chaotic and often hellish realm like the world we have today

>>1564
I just want to break away from the whole death/life cycle and keep the entirety of my knowledge and experiences.
Granted, death is inevitable. But I would take a single 1000 years cycle over 10 cycles of 100 years repeating over and over...

So uh, I heard somewhere you guys have a discord... Can I get an invite? I study New Thought and some of Robert Bruce's goodies

>>1601
My dude, check out the third icon up top.

>>1602
Thanks

>>1554
dumbest shit i ever

Good to have you back! I love you all! Have an awesome Sunday!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSwIahX6t6I

>>1626
nice lazy eight

>>1626
Thanks bro you too

It seems to me that one of the cornerstones of good magic and not just blindly appealing to spirits makes use of the living imagination.
I have recently learned that regular visualization in which you force images into your mind is just that, imagination and not very useful.
Instead, one must will the images and let them take form on their own. That is how you mold astral matter into thoughtforms, am I correct?

Who here has mastered this? Where's the key? Please help me.

>>1693
There is nothing wrong with visualization but keep in mind that it's just for practice. It's the screen you need later when drawing up the real stuff. So learn visualization first.

The trick is to sync your visualized image with the real stuff out there. Only then will you be able to change the material world. This requires an ability to empty your mind and let in the real manifestations of the energy pattern of the world. To drag this into a very technical thinking, once your mental image is the same as what is out there, what is the difference between you and the external world? There is none, no one will be able to say that either of the images is more legit than the other. At this point you will be able to start budging things, but only as long as you stay synced. Meaning; you need to have a thourough understanding of the functions of the things you are attempting to change. The moment you make an "illegal" move in your mind you're "out of sync" again and it's just your imagination in your own head.

Terry Pratchett drew this up pretty well in his novel "Making Money", if I remember it right. Someone is making a model of the economy consisting of glass tubes and pipes and he ends up creating its function so realistically that the universe gets confused as to whether his model or the economy itself is the real thing, where changes on one end changes the other. So he could change the economy by changing the fluids in his model.

This is what you need to do, except in your mind.

>>1699
Damn, the way you describe it resonates very well with my rudimentary and very recently acquired understanding of this matter. Which means I'm on the right track and makes me very happy.

Has anybody noticed everyone has a cough? Most people in my office, myself included, suffered a flu or some sort of cold a month back and are still carrying around a cough or a runny nose. Everyone mentions it: "I can't seem to shake it". And even doctors say right away that you should get used to this one because it takes a very long time to get over.
I'm in Europe, and I've seen all the usual podcasters I listen to suffer from this. I've also seen seemingly unconnected people like Alex Jones and Pewdiepie have it.

In my case its effects have been very mild. Thanks to energy work and general spiritual hygiene I guess (and thank you Raphael as well). I was only seriously sick for three days, the time it took the flu to run its full course (see my post about my body violently rushing to get back to baseline every time something).
I don't know if chemtrails are visible or real, but those seemed to stop right before the rain season started and everyone started getting sick.

Whether chemtrails are involved at all, I think this is a plot (by a human or spiritual force) to keep everyone's immune system suppressed. Meaning, more cancer, among other things. So I would point to the cancer industry as the prime subject if I had to blame a human entity.

>>1699
That means in the initial stages, observation is most important in order to learn the patterns without trying to influence them.

>>1702
>Has anybody noticed everyone has a cough?
Yeah.

>> still carrying around a cough or a runny nose. Everyone mentions it: "I can't seem to shake it"
Yup.

>>seriously sick for three days
Pretty much, but the cough has been a constant and runny shits comes and goes

>family member was sick for 10 days
>i usually never get sick
>also thought it weird

I've got this idea where I think that germs not only spread sickness but ideas, emotions and state of minds.

inb4 they're activating the nanobots in our blood.

re chemtrails and sickness, it causes mucus, coughing, sneezing.

>>1735
its possible they're spraying the skies more than usual, which they did, cause they're prepping to put holograms up the sky to simulate an alien invasion to declare martial law and kill everyone during a dark grid.

or something

>>1702
>>1734
>>1735
>>1736
Are you sure this comes from chemtrails? May be, but the cough also may come from just regularly pollued lungs from living in the city. In that case you could clear your lungs with a vacation to the beach. A reasonable clean seaside where you can swim and breathe in a lot of fresh sea air. First you will cough a lot day and night but then your lungs will be cleaned and the cough will be gone. I think 2 weeks may already be good but obviously few months would be better for a full cure.

It may also be because you sit too much and are too unhealthy. Water builds up in your lungs and you start to cough when you sit at the PC 24/7 for weeks and months. I noticed this with myself, when I skip gym for a long time I start to get this cough and when I workout for some weeks it goes away again.

Of course if you smoke or drink you can develop this too. Not saying it is your fault and not the chemtrails but one should at least check his own lifestyle and try some adjustment for ones own benefit. If you are healthy and mentain a healthy lifestyle and the symptoms are still there then most likely it is from chemtrails or other government bullshit.

>>1760
I forgot to mention a notorious cough may also come from allergies and you can check that for yourself too if you want. Of course new allergies can develop even in adulthood from chemicals (chemtrails), unhealthy lifestyles and weak immune system and so on...

Could anyone share a guide on how to make servitors using self-hypnosis? I've been trying to sort of see how other people would do it. I guess the biggest hurdle I have is the "visualizing then charging phase" and making the thoughtform last beyond the session.

>>1778

Check this out: >>788.
If your biggest hurdle is charging it and making it last, all you need to do is practice. Probably.

Last year a book called "Mary Magdalene. The first pope" came out. This year a completely unrelated film about Mary Magdalene is coming out.
Gnostic reminder that there are very real forces, earthly and otherwise, trying to control the narrative on all fronts.

>>1804
>>1804
Why would they shill Mary Magdalene?

>>1815
I haven't read the book yet, but it is said that she was the heir to all the knowledge of the old pre-christian gnostic mystery schools, which is why the church ostracized her.
My hypothesis is that the movie does not want to shill her, but spin the story in a convenient way, as they always do. "They", by the way, need not be human entities.

>>1702
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvNDk2t8TGk

Look this up.

>>1831
aw shit nigga, I've looked it up in the past alright
Absolutely terrifying

>>1831
How do you even fight this? Fucking glow in the dark cia niggers poisoning our AIR.

>>1804
They are following the trend and perverting the female "empowerment." As magic systems are becoming more popular to the public they are keeping the narrative under their control as women are the more powerful sex when it comes to influencing the social nature of a society as men bend to their social customs to appease them if they want to breed.
The kikes are certainly aware of the natural rebound of the divine feminine returning to its notorious manifestation of violent chaos after its centuries of suppression by Abrahamic religions. Thousands of years ago the kikes knew that they needed to suppress women taking leading roles in spiritual authority since they could more easily communicate and work with entities, thus which challenged the religious authority yids enforced. This would threaten to undermine the psyops done upon the masses to shape their thoughts and values into something more ideal for those scheming for aggrandizement. It always boils down to control of the narrative.

This tactic is similar to what's happened with all the new-age feminine dominated magic systems being pumped out which are just narcissistic, feel good vagina worship and happy thoughts. It's constant praise of women to women and then misdirecting the perceived vitriolic indignity onto the "politically correct" targets. The targets that also lead to further divide and conquer, distractive in-fighting and induce a neurotic tunnel-vision.

>>1845
That sounds about right, but damn now I'm sad.

>>1845
A lot of buzzwords and namecalling without substance.

>>1867
>without substance
It's not. It makes a lot of sense, actually. It wasn't the first time, and as anon said it always boils down to control of the narrative: https://runesoup.com/2018/04/cracks-in-the-wall/

And I should add, divide and conquer, with isn't new either.

>>1845
Interesting. The other day I met with a girl friend who's training as a chaman, and she was so clean in terms of etheric parasites it made me realize she's the only "sane" woman in that regard that I know, and it was exhilarating to be near her.
Women are generally absolutely infested. Much more than men. Past the ages of 20, it's really hard to find someone in the West who isn't worm food already. Much more if it's a woman. I wonder if it's because a mundane woman is more vulnerable to it than a man, if there's a directed attack towards them because of their potential as spirit mediators or both.

>>1884
This should be obvious but consider how many women had abortions. Every one occasion bears the karma of murder and if they willfully ordered it they're responsible. Not only that but they're then part of the egregore of the abortion industry, with all of what that entails...

Men may be degenerates, but most men are not murderers.

>>1885
Most women haven't had an abortion either. I think you're trying to fit data into theory instead of the opposite. If the spiritual state of women was due to abortion, statistically they would be far better off than men.

Also it seems you don't understand karma smh fam

>>1886
I understand it perfectly well, but I think you are using some old confused concept of what karma is.
>If the spiritual state of women was due to abortion, statistically they would be far better off than men.
Explain? Men don't get pregnant, they can't have abortions carried out, they're not responsible. The filthy energy lies with whoever makes the decision, and as they say, a majority of women are "pro choice", they choose themselves to kill their children. If you are talking about the medical personnel carrying it out they are only few in numbers even if those few are mass murderers, it doesn't balance the effect as a whole even if all abortionists were men (which they aren't). You also have the day after pill, which is a chemical abortion but those don't count statistically when they for example say 1 in 4 women in the USA have had an abortion.

In short, liberal's view is that men are rapists and for this reason women should be allowed to kill the resulting babies. But it should be clear to everyone, that rape or not
>men create life, women kill
There's your answer.
They support it, and when somone attracts "worms" it's because of what they think, because people manifest their own reality.

There's this person who is constantly trying to leech off me. I'm not advanced enough to actively influence them energetically, but enough to notice it and keep them at bay.
They're not hostile towards me, but rather clingy. That being said, I don't care what happens to them as long as this stops.

How do I get rid of them?

>>1891
>>men create life, women kill


I first wanted to say are you retarded

Does cooking my food give me bad karma for killing microorganisms?
I don't see much difference between terminating a <1 month fetus and any other parasite.

Men have also been in power/caused a lot of the warfare/oppression in the last few thousand years. Are we on the hook for that? I doubt le abortion karma is worse than that.

wtf why are my posts cut off
oh!!! It's 'cause I'm using a less than symbol and that's interpreted as html.

>>1919
>le
>>>/reddit/

>>1920
Nice argument lol. At least the other guy is trying.

Your argument about abortion does not make sense dude. Most people in the world are both conservative and "pro-life" in that they don't go for an abortion as a first option.
I think you're trying to fit the data to support your grudge against pseudo-liberals and women.

>>1891
>In short, liberal's view is that men are rapists and for this reason women should be allowed to kill the resulting babies. But it should be clear to everyone, that rape or not
That's not a leftist view, that's a retarded view. Of course what's left of the left is comprised of brainwashed and confused reactionaries, so technically you're correct, but still. In any case, people who believe that are a minority, again.

You may want to do some shadow work sweetie.

>>1925
He literally just said
>you're retarded
and ignored anything I wrote.

>Most people in the world are both conservative and "pro-life"
Not in the real world. Even America is mostly liberal/leftist, the republicans didn't even win by numbers last time and they also have RINOs in their ranks. Trump was a democract before. Maybe Italy is more conservative but they're so few in number it doesn't matter when adding the world's population. China alone has over 1 billion and they're extreme leftist commies. Democracy itself is a liberal system, you won't find real conservatives with any real influence in democratic countries.

The argument about men making "war and oppression" is so badly thought through it's ridiculus. The Syrian war kills less people yearly than the number of babies killed by abortion in any single european country (save for maybe Luxembourg since they're so small) and still people whine about it and make a big thing out of how so many innocent people have died in the war there. All the while they're slaughtering their own people's children with the excuse that it "isn't killing."

Why do you think Islam is spreading? Because they actually have some sexual morals left. It doesn't matter how many terrorists they have, blowing shit up, they still can't reach the same numbers of killing innocents as the west does with abortion. Abortion is the single biggest threat to western civilization, it's ruining women, turning them into bad copies of men focusing on useless careers instead of stable families. Birth rates are dropping and this is used as an excuse to bring in immigrants from incompatible cultures. Cultures that ironically don't have this problem as they expect women to be mothers.

Don't expect me to sit idle and watch my own country and race be destroyed by baby killing feminists and liberals. You may not believe it and you can make up all sorts of silly delusions for yourself, but you still can't protect yourself from the consequences of supporting those acts.

This is a place for discussing occultism, including ways to deal with enemies, mark my words. If you don't want to take the warnings seriously that is up to you.

>>1926
I looked it up and there are around 56 million induced abortions per year vs 8.3 million deaths per year due to heart failure, the leading cause according to the WHO. Damn, I didn't expect that.

>This is a place for discussing occultism, including ways to deal with enemies, mark my words. If you don't want to take the warnings seriously that is up to you.
That was a bit weird. What do you mean by that? You know that if it wasn't abortion they would induce wars, plagues or famine like they have done in the past, right? I'm not defending them, but the world is theirs. What are you going to do?

>>1927
To paraphrase Trump
>I'm not going to tell anyone about my plans because then it won't work as well

What I'm talking about is the existence of "military grade" magic which can be used against hostile organizations without trace. Occultists may be able to see that something isn't "natural" but in mundane terms there was no specific attack, it just collapsed from internal pressure or social unrest.

When targeting a phenomenon, anyone supporting it will be targeted as well, depending on how involved they are. For example, why do you think the #metoo movement gained traction so easily? Following the openess standard in the same way as the masons do, the plan was exposed in advance in a post on meguca (which no one took seriously, of course).

You may think "they" rule the world but they're not invincible. They're extremely accurate but there are small gaps exposing them. If you go by the mundane media logic, things just happen and are reported. If you instead treat every single event at pre planned and intentional, you can see the pattern and that they're using a very sharp strategy based on mass psychology. Most people are going to discard it because that's just "insane", right? No one has that level of control of society to be able to orchestrate the world media and the sentiment of the people in such detail so as to bring forth the necessary situation in which certain legislation can be passed. Right? That's how they maintain the illusion, democracy isn't free in any way, it's controlled to 99,9%, because they control people's emotions and how they think. They don't need to force decision onto anyone, they'll force ideas and opinions into people's heads instead, making them think they came up with it themselves.

The irony is that whatever they can do, anyone can do. There are no laws against witchcraft in the modern world, so fighting back against them with their own means is even fully legal.

The world isn't "theirs", and they will learn this the hard way.

>>1929
>There are no laws against witchcraft in the modern world, so fighting back against them with their own means is even fully legal.
I'm literally rolling my eyes while reading that.

>>1929
>There are no laws against witchcraft in the modern world
Technically there are, actually. Even in the US. But you'd have to be very clumsy to be caught and tried for that in a court.

>>1926
>Don't expect me to sit idle and watch my own country and race be destroyed by baby killing feminists and liberals.
Why? And what makes you think they're your people? I dunno about you but 99.9% of even white people are just a bunch of mindless normalfags and they don't give a fuck about us. I used to be the, "born leader" type of kid in elementary school and I've always been very smart and tactical so when I was a kid in gym or something I'd try to take the lead and lead my team to victory, but I quickly found out that "my people" didn't give a flying fuck about me, they'd rather die following chad or their own vices or whatever than listen to me. My point is, why are you so concerned with the fate of a bunch of bald 3D apes? You think you'd be on an imageboard if they were "your people"? You think you'd be constantly cultivating your spirit to eventually escape this shit dimension if this was "your home"? Don't bother yourself with the karma of mundanes, it's not your fight bro

>>1965
The people I'm bringing with me are born in this population. If someone from my spiritual group is killed because of abortion it creates a lot of trouble for me and them, obviously. I wouldn't care if I considered all of them to be depraved, but I don't. Even if less than 1% are good enough, that's still 1%. The other aspect of this is that abortion is a ritual feeding something which is opposed to me and my goals, so I have to destroy it either way.

There are witch covens actively supporting abortion because their version of satanism feeds off of it. They're not just being edgy, they're real. But they picked the "wrong side of history" here when they choose to oppose the side I'm on. I've warned them but they persist, so it's up to them now, they will take the consequences. I always apply the principle of allowing someone to change their mind before attacking them, if they choose not, it's not my problem anymore.

>I quickly found out that "my people" didn't give a flying fuck about me, they'd rather die following chad or their own vices or whatever than listen to me.
Sounds like you care too much about your worldly position.

>why are you so concerned with the fate of a bunch of bald 3D apes? You think you'd be on an imageboard if they were "your people"?
They're my apes, that's what this is about.
Why do you use that condescending tone when speaking of imageboards? They're a remnant of the original online culture and a perfect way of communication when you want to discuss ideas with no strings attached. If you feel there is something wrong with using it, don't come here. That's another problem with today's internet - people people going online because they've failed at life rather than because they're interested. The idiots who came online to ride the wave of information technology in the early 2000s because it was hip make up one side of the coin ruining the internet, fat game addicted weaklings make up the other side.

I'm here because I like it, because computer communications is what I choose to study. I've known occultists since before the internet, if it didn't exist I would be talking to them by other means.

>>1965
>why are you so concerned with the fate of a bunch of bald 3D apes
Oi! What’s wrong with being bald!?

>>1970
Bald is justice.

>>1969
>If someone from my spiritual group is killed because of abortion it creates a lot of trouble for me and them, obviously.

considering they can see the likely outcome before they incarnate, why would they be dumb enough to do that?

>>1969
>If someone from my spiritual group is killed because of abortion it creates a lot of trouble for me and them
TOP LEL
>be powerful wizard
>reincarnate into baby...
>whats this metal thing?
>coat hanger to the brainstem

May I get an invite to the skype group

>>2026
we dont skype, friend, check top left corner, discord

>>2025
There's also an IRC in the IRC thread, but nobody uses it.
Also, Librarian, if you still lurk, I'd be very grateful if you could connect to Wire for a quick talk.

>>2029
I still do on rare occasion, though I lost my comp so I don't have my previous communication or reference capacities -- my focus is much shifted now-a-days, a lot more IRL actions like Operation Bifrost

>>2028
Discord is a total joke, terrible implementation, and a spynet on top of it all.

>>2030
Can you link to info about that Operation? This site is not indexed.

>can manifest virtually anything I want
>can know practically anything I can come up with
>be content with a nice, fun job and a tranquil life
Who else here feels they should be doing something more with their magics?

>>2041
I wish I 'could' do something more.

>>2043
Like what? Maybe I can help.

>>2045
Stuff like changing your physical appearance, DNA and healing scars, moles, organs. I've tried things but I feel like it's all placebo and no actual change. As a result I lose motivation and get very frustrated. There are so many books, theories, teachings I can still read about and learn, but how will I even know what is legit or not... I'm just lost.

>>2049
Well, most physical stuff is going to be pretty much fixed (mainly because finding the why of it being there is virtually impossible).
However, think in different terms. For example, scars, moles and even bone structure can be altered with surgery or other medical methods. You can definitely get rid of a mole or a scar, even cancer or turn into the other gender by combining magic and science.
Aim for what's more statistically possible.

>>2049
>>2054
Just to clarify, you could, theoretically, do these things with pure physical transformation, but that would mean having some serious skills (which would probably render your physical appearance meaningless for various reasons).
Entities have these kinds of skills, but if you ask one they're most probably going to arrange a miraculous medical intervention just because it's the shortest path between the two points.

In short, don't be adamant on doing what you want the hard way. Magic is always about the path of least resistance.

>>2054
>>2055
This really works, and it's backed by modern science:
https://youtu.be/NvoX_wEtwDk

Also see this:
https://youtu.be/xl5d7ZOlZNk
you may want to look into it more, it's not definite, the topic is often brought up on bodybuilding forums.

>>2031

I think he means making the rainbow bridge within.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifröst

referring to what he said in the meditations thread

>>2057
>expand ribcage

I remember the sticky on 4chans /fit/ used to link to a running blog, that linked to vid related. The blogger used to say the chest expansion exercise increased her lung capacity. It seems equivalent to those dumbbell pullovers

https://youtu.be/8caF1Keg2XU

>>2054
>Well, most physical stuff is going to be pretty much fixed (mainly because finding the why of it being there is virtually impossible).
Says who? Unless it's something like a disease in which the cause is constantly being reproduced it's perfectly possible to change physical matter magically, it just takes a bit longer. You gotta remember everything, even the densest matter of the physical plane, is a thoughtform in the mind of God and thus mutable through mental/magical means

>>2049
You should read Magical Use of Thoughtforms, namely chapter 2: evocation, and before you ask it has nothing to do with evocation, it's about manipulating physical matter through magical means

>>2154
Well I meant virtually fixed. If for instance you are causing your disease by suppressing your emotions regarding your relationship with your mom, no matter how much you try to reshape it, at most you will cause your issues with your mom to flare up so that you can solve them. And if you solve them, the disease may go away.
But what if the problem is so complex and so embedded in your life, the whole thing is your reason to live?

It's all a matter of trying, hypothesizing though. That's the beauty of magic.

>>2158
Ah, I Know what ya mean man
T. Trying to fix his nasal polyps with magic man

Anybody got any advice on intrusive thoughts? I'm afraid I might accidentally kill my mom

>>2163
Same exact thing happened to me. I almost went mad. I gave in in the end and the thoughts disappeared.

They’re not yours. They are powerless. Acknowledge the thought’s existence and say to yourself “I am having these thoughts because am afraid my magic might kill my mom. I reject that thought”. From then on, just ignore them and know it’s some parasitical thought feeding off your attention.

Another way could be to actually try to kill her with pure intention and find out how actually difficult it is.

I actually told this story in the Discord. Are you trolling me?

>>2164
Thanks man, I'll try that. Really man, thanks

> I already told this story in the discord
Wait you guys have a discord?

>>2163
good question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVuLj5juMFM

"Archon Mind Parasite Self-Defense"

^this here is talking about mind parasites...i find that not all "voices" or intrusive thoughts can be proven to be mind parasites...some thoughts might be from something that is not parasitic or is not one of those "astral creatures"

this is a subject frequently discussed by people who discuss things like extraterrestrials, Gnostic Christianity, "loosh farming", occult-topics, astral entities, the "enslaver hierarchy" or the matrix-control system and such topics as these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3-CuJYQkOs&feature=youtu.be

^Here is Montalk in one of his many wonderful videos talking about such things...

if you don't have the time for a lot of research just do what you can to keep your mind straight and focus on the physical reality and see if that helps...try to go have fun with friends and see if that helps, etc....

try to stay positive...maybe research psychic defense

the thoughts or entities conveying the thoughts may try to hurt or control your physical life, so consider it to be a matter of physical survival

what is the source of fringebay

what website did people come from before fringebay?

i generally can say the website i've been associated with most of my life is 4chan, specifically /x/ but not exclusively /x/

>>2185
I went 4/x/ -> fringechan -> mewch/fringe/ -> fringebay (add short visits to the trashcan called 8/fringe/ in between)

>>2185
8ch.net/fringe/
fringechan (now http://fringebay.com/archive/fringe/)
freedomboard/fringe/ (https://archive.is/offset=0/freedomboard.kirara.ca )

I'm working on crawling the freedomboard archive and putting it here as well for posterity.

>>2185
4/x/ mostly, but that was a long time ago, 2012-2013. There was freedomboard, as the primal coalession vortex of our consciousness, however there was http://emberbox.net/fringe/ and another board known by the sub-title Anti-Zog Garden that where also feeders as well. I myself got exiled to /x/ from /pol/ (as many other seekers too) as the truth we sought was too far out. As an cosmic act of irony it is us who returned and with irrefutable proofs for our wayward kin -- now /pol/ has learned the truth of esoteric power there is much overlap as they turned to fringechan in it's time of glory following Bane and the start of the realization of the scope of the memeware.

>>2190
Seconding this...

>>2239
You mean you want me to put them in? In that case, I already did.
Or do you mean why the fuck I put them in?

>>2243
I was just confused as to why they look like /u/ banners, and the other anon seem to agree. They're fine, it's just different to see them as /fringe/ banners, considering the current attitude a lot of posters exhibit (such as the idea that women are always worse occultists, can't reach enlightenment and a general /r9k/ attitude).

What is the Book of Hermes as mentioned by Eliphas Levi on page 30 of his book called Transcendental Magic?

I have experienced how other peoples' will do affect my life as well.
Through synchronicities and fate, their will is manifested by their environment and me as well. Of course, those people are affected by my will as well.

Now where do I go from this?
Is the true wizard able to manifest only his own will and be unaffected by others' will?
Is it the right thing to do? Escaping the ecosystem of mutual influence and brute forcing the own will only?

>>2245
This maybe?
Google books exists you know.

>>2246
The key is that most people's will is asleep and not having an effect on reality beyond deep beliefs. And reality is complex enough so that the will of those who are really awake doesn't need to conflict with yours unless it is intentionally.

>>2248
>The key is that most people's will is asleep
This is not true. Everyone's higher self does have an impact on reality, even the most mundane people cause synchronicities.
At least that's my observations.

>>2249
>The key is that most people's will is asleep
>Everyone's higher self does have an impact on reality, even the most mundane people cause synchronicities.
These two statements are not contradictory. The difference is that for the truly awake, the impact happens on a daily basis and is directed by their conscious higher egoic will, while in the case of the people who are asleep, the impact is more like a background theme to their life and it's directed by their beliefs and preconceptions (their shadow, positive or negative regardless) and outside influences.
Your higher self only works with what you give it, in terms of magic.

>>2250
>Your higher self only works with what you give it, in terms of magic.
That would fit with my considerations about lifestyle choices.
I figured for myself that a life of always trying new things and never settling for a repetitive lifestyle feels more fulfilling. In a way it opens up more possibilities for synchronicities of the higher self.

>>2245
>Transcendental Magic
Why englishmen call it like that? It's actually called Dogme & Rituel de la Haute Magie https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89liphas_L%C3%A9vi.

>>2247
Unlikely, Levi had access to rare limited edition books.

>>2246
World is full of life, so you can't avoid being in contact of the causality of said life. Although a master magician is master of his fate, it doesn't mean he bruteforces his will even though he can and sometimes he may, because he knows what needs to happen. I would say he just knows the tides of causality & how to surf the waves of it.

Question: What do you all think of time? How does it work?Is physical time travel possible? If yes, how does it work? Timelines theory?

>>2255
>It's actually called Dogme & Rituel de la Haute Magie
>being this new to magic

>>2246
>Is the true wizard able to manifest only his own will and be unaffected by others' will?
Well technically "true wizard" goes on a continuum.You could consider a true wizard an adept, a magus, shit, the logical conclusion to this is that God himself is the "truest wizard". Now don't go yet bb, I'm not trying to berrate you on your beliefs or anything, I'm just making a point. God is within everything, he doesn't technically "make" you do anything by his will, because he is you. Eventually you'll come to realize you're in everything too, to some extent, so you're not really forcing anyone's will at all, just moving God. Although in a more down-to-earth sense, yeah you technically can change someone else's will and so can they even if you're a Magus, it'll just be more like a car hitting a boulder than another car, the Magus will move less.

Is it the right thing to do? Escaping the ecosystem of mutual influence and brute forcing the own will only?
Maybe, you-do-you, you shouldn't completely violate someone else's will though, everyone has their freedom of life and choice, although you probably couldn't unless you were Franz Bardon tier cause, oy vey that pesky higher-self. If you mean should you just grind raw willpower, why limit yourself? Grind that and Energywork and no-mind my nigga, give it all you got.
>Pic related

>>2256
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogme_et_Rituel_de_la_Haute_Magie

The original french version is called "Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie", yet some english version was called "Transcendental Magic, its Doctrine and Ritual" despite the original title in French should be translated to "Dogma & Ritual of High Magic".

>>2258
Who cares? Except perhaps that faggot ape back on /x/. But then again, he posts on 4chins for a reason.

>>2258


But does "haute magie" translate directly into "high magic" or is there some other implications in the french word? Maybe it's for marketing purposes, "transcendental" is a popular word among hippies.

>>2262
The Ape is insufferable. Let 4chan things stay on 4chan. See my answer below regarding the text.

>>2264
Yes "haute magie" literally translates to "high magic". High as in "as above so bellow". "Transcendental" is a bad translation, new translations apparently changed that which is good.
Also "doctrine" & "dogma" have different connotations. I would say a doctrine is a set of rules to follow while a dogma is the explanation of a world view. "Dogma & Ritual" in the original french title signifies in a way "Theory & Practice" (of High Magic), so "doctrine" is a poor choice, they should have kept "dogma" as in the original title.

I've read Levi in french and he is a pretty nice writer, he puts a lot of importance on the choice of his words.

Is Terry Davis literally channeling a new era of hobbyist computing from "god"?
https://youtu.be/xVxNgE1chl4

>>2270
reddit tier "spirituality", ditch the material computing

>>2271
They guy is schizophrenic and obviously hearing spirits tell him to do stuff. He's technically channeled an operating system, complete with an oracle to receive further instructions.

>reddit tier spirituality
Get of your high horse, child. If you don't like reddit tier spirituality, you can go back to Discord and keep trying to impress people there by waving your micropenis around.

>>2273
Who's that?

>>2274
Nevermind. Found it.

>>2255
>I would say he just knows the tides of causality & how to surf the waves of it.
That's like every mundane person as well I think. What's the point of being aware of the process if you don't make use of it somehow?


>>2257
>Eventually you'll come to realize you're in everything too, to some extent
I have not made such experiences yet. All I see is people struggling to follow their higher selves ways.
now it's okays if I can be part of that process in a helpful way, but what I was considering is whether the magus should push egoistic motives of his instead - to make life easier in this crude world for example.

>>2277
> what I was considering is whether the magus should push egoistic motives of his instead - to make life easier in this crude world for example.
Maybe, do you align more with StS or StO? Then of course there's middle-path which a "pure StO" being has to be atleast unconsciously, else it'd starve itself. Really depends on the person and what they want, you don't go into Minecraft asking someone else what to do

>>2272
>being this triggered for merely mentioning that some madman writing an useless OS is not very spiritually interesting

Explain us what's spiritually good in this Terry Davis OS instead of playing the insulting passive-aggressive game. Sounds like another technological idolatry to me.

How tf do Taoists avoid getting parasites if they eat meat? Do they just cook it and recover later?

>>2272
>If you don't like reddit tier spirituality, you can go back to Discord
That sounds rather counterproductive

>>2277
>What's the point of being aware of the process if you don't make use of it somehow?
Obviously you make use of what you are aware of, it's only natural, finding the right notes for the right melody.

>what I was considering is whether the magus should push egoistic motives of his instead - to make life easier in this crude world for example.

1) A balanced magus cares about himself & others (although himself first, as it always starts by helping yourself in order to be strong enough to help others).
2) A negative black magician only cares about himself (lhp).
3) A selfless saint only cares about others (rhp).

The balanced way is the key to success so the 1st case is what a genuine magus would follow. Success is balance.

>>2280
They eat fish meat maybe? Or maybe they steam cook it? Although if you are careful with your meat, even raw you could technically eat it, that's what animals do, but I would advise to at least steam cook it.

>>2281
lol this

>>2279
I agree that the idolatry that's sprung up around him on /g/ and /tech/ sure is stupid.
However, is it or isn't it true that Terry Davis seems to be channeling an entity (a pretty obvious one at that) that instructed him to write an operating system, for whatever reason?
That's all I wanted to discuss. There aren't that many public figures these days that we can say they are being directed by some sort of spirit for sure.

>>2279
>>2284
However, if all you want to talk about is how you're oh such an accomplished magician and above all this nonsense, then it will be a very short discussion.

>>2284
>However, is it or isn't it true that Terry Davis seems to be channeling an entity (a pretty obvious one at that) that instructed him to write an operating system, for whatever reason?

Why would it matter? As far as we know for sure he learned how to program computers & learned computer science, all of this is pretty normal, so it could just be just his passion for technology. If he actually channels an entity, it's none of our business (why would it?).
The real question is, is this computer autism spiritually useful to himself or the world? Doesn't seem so to me. It sounds like just another technological idolatry, i.e, being deeply attached to material objects like computers.

>However, if all you want to talk about is how you're oh such an accomplished magician and above all this nonsense, then it will be a very short discussion.
> If you don't like reddit tier spirituality, you can go back to Discord and keep trying to impress people there by waving your micropenis around.


What are you even referring to?
What did you even mean by this?
What did I say that angered you so much?

Not a single time I talked about me in this thread, nor on any thread nor on discord, and I don't know you either. I don't even go the /fringe/ discord, I went there only once, and people were nice in contrary to your rudeness.

Is this because I said that the Terris Davis OS obsession was reddit tier spirituality? Come on, you shouldn't get angry for that, we are on /fringe/ here.

Time to end this petty passive-aggressive game, just tell me exactly what angered you and how is it related to me so that I know about it and possibly avoid any such situations later on. Will make us gain time.

>>2287
You are taking all of this wrong. That is what pissed me off. I am not talking about technology here. I am literally talking about a schizophrenic man who I think after watching him for a long time that he is being manipulated by a real entity.

This is not about material attachments or computers. I just want to talk about schizophrenia and their particular relationship with the spirit world, taking Terry as an example. Stop making it about “tech idolatry”, which you already made clear you hate.

That is what pisses me off. You pretending I am talking about something I aint just so you can broadcast your opinions about what my question was not about.

Forget about computers and find another example of a schizo who says he is receiving instructions and has followed them to produce tangible results, wrecking his life in the process. However bad I expressed that in my post, idolizing tech is not what this is about. I am not the kind of person you reacted to. That is what pissed me off.

Can we talk about the subject matter or not at all now? This thread is for questions and occult dicussion, not for showing everyone tangential opinions on any given subject. At least not for four posts in a row. You have already stated you dont technology worship. I dont either.

We move on.

>>2288
Now that's a detailed answer. More precise than saying:

>Is Terry Davis literally channeling a new era of hobbyist computing from "god"?

Although:

>reddit tier "spirituality", ditch the material computing



Was about Terry Davi, not you personally. I am stating that his "spirituality" (autism) is reddit tier (bad), and that he or anyone (general statement) should ditch material computer or any deep material attachment when it comes to genuine spirituality.

>Can we talk about the subject matter or not at all now?

I answered you here >>2287. It could just be that he has a boner for computers and if he's actually channeling a spirit it's none of our business. Why would it matter to you? Some schizo may be channeling, some may not be. What good does it bring you to know that this particular schizo is channeling or not?

Not that guy, but here's another example of schizo-channeling (ie. building a tribute to the voices in your head):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Mystery_House
And a pretty impressive one at that. Although the Wikipedia article seems a bit misleading. I read elsewhere that she actually built that house as a tribute to the spirits.

>>2289
>if he's actually channeling a spirit it's none of our business. Why would it matter to you?
>What good does it bring you to know that this particular schizo is channeling or not?
Well, that's just being contrarian, isn't it? Don't you think it's interesting to examine how spirits influence our world? In today's world, where a very small group of people can influence great parts of it, isn't it important to study how spirits influence oblivious people?
Or even just damn interesting? For the sake of being contrarian you're denying the usefulness of studying spiritual interactions in the wild. I hope you at least evoke daily, because otherwise you're going to have a very limited understanding of spirit dynamics (and that's how people end up building operating systems for their gods).
We're talking things from run-of-the-mill egregores and demons meddling in human affairs to simple parasitical thoughforms being fed and grown to egregore status by simple ignorance of the operator. I think that's damn interesting. And knowing how these things work is exactly what makes you grow in your study of the occult. Why are you even on /fringe/, my dude? Just to reaffirm how much you know, or to learn something possibly new?

>>2272
Yeah, I don't think his hearing spirits. In his case (where he was a pretty talented programmer before going nuts) I think it's his own inner thoughtforms that at some point went rogue without direction and he started feeding them unwillingly and oblivious to what's happening (because people nowadays don't take the time to educate themselves on spiritual matters).
If you look at the Winchester example you'll see what someone who''s serving actual spirits looks like: they are eccentric (and sometimes really crazy), but the spirits ensure they remain in a useful position. They might fuck you up in subtle and not so subtle ways, or benefit your evolution if they're benevolent. They can fool you into thinking you're in contact with some sort of intergalactic council of Jedi or whatever. But a homeless dude is of no use to an intelligent tech-inclined spirit. Those look like rogue young thoughtforms to me.

I think the real entities influencing the tech industry are in comfortable homes in Silicon Valley attached to nice and weak soyboy bodies.

https://mewch.net/fringe/res/3134.html
Can anyone answer this?

Whats a good meditation or energy work to go from reaction to action?

Whats the formula?

>>2295
Depolarize. Actually accept ideas opposite to your opinions. Vote for the other party, fuck the other sex, hug your enemy, screw your friend over irreversibly. Destroy your emotional conditioning and rebuild it using reason.

Your current opinions have been built for you over years of education and emotional coercion.

Doing anything less than what I ask you here is being a worthless coward.

>>2296
I did not ask for ritual magic.

>>2296
>> Actually accept ideas opposite to your opinions
>already properly polarized in many areas
>putting a knife in my stomache
>ruining working human drivers by messing with what supports them
>being retarded not thinking about consequences

>>Your current opinions have been built for you over years of education and emotional coercion

>projecting harder than NASA on the firmament

>>Doing anything less than what I ask

Fuck off, go do some of the shit you're telling others to do.

>>2299
No, you asked for a magical button to push that will make your wishes come true without doing any actual work. Some day you'll learn that's not how magic works. You need to change before anything else changes. Always.
Until you realize that you can continue doing breathing exercises and visualization. But that alone will take you practically nowhere.

>>2301
BULLSHIT OCCULTIST

>can't answer, can't even grasp the prerequisites of
>skewed opinions showing clearly the person has not lived half the tiny list written up
>posts to make himself feel good
>thinks he answered
>deludes himself into thinking others should be thankful
>despite (because of?) that attitude

>is a total sissy twat

Get a grip. Clearly your third eye is bonkers. Go sit in the grass. You'll fit right in with your grasshopper tunes, so little power that on the step out, equal to the step in, you are forgotten.

To anyone that actually knows their shit please.

>>Whats a good meditation or energy work to go from reaction to action?
>>WHAT IS THE FORMULA?

Speculation is also good, lets apply some principles.

>>2295
>>851
also
https://mewch.net/fringe/res/697.html

>>2290
> tech-inclined spirit
I don't think there's such a thing. Technology - especially electronics - seems to be utterly disconnected from the spiritual.
For example, I never got synchronicities or deja-vu for videogames - they should have came up already in all the years, statistically it should have had happened. But it never did.

I do however find the right information on the right time by synchronistic script when browsing the internet sometimes. Since I regard the electronic world as spiritless, maybe the synchronicities are realized by proxy of using input hardware instead - a "real" physical thing after all.

>>2305
No other way than the only way huh...

>>2306
Oh, I've had synchronicities relating to both videogames (precognition, intuition and "luck") as well as programming. In fact I have a thoughform that points me to bugs so that I can solve them. My coworkers think I have some godly intuition when it comes to understanding large code bases, but it's actually my thoughtform pal.

I think there's spirits for everything, including tech. But you have to connect to it in a spiritiual way. I can feel the attitude and character of computers, for example (among many other objects), and some pieces of software. But then again, I've been interacting with them on a deep level all my life daily.

Why do you think spirits would be disconnected from tech, or from anything for that matter?

>>2306
>what is cybershamanism
Also, meet a spirit:
http://fringebay.com/chatbot.php

>>2308
Just to clarify. I've had syncs in which events in videogames have "commented on" my daily life in some way. And I've had deja vus too. But the deja vu normally requires a lot of sensory immerssion you don't usually get in videogames. Perhaps that's why you haven't had them.

>>2284
Definitely

>>2295
>Reaction to action
I'm assuming going from seeing to doing? Invoke yang, but not too much lel, judge accordingly

>>2308
>>2310
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experiences.

Like I said, I can't match these experiences as I never felt precognition or real intuition (as in: not based on experience) in videogames. As such I was assuming that electronic devices are on the spiritual level of a rock, despite working in a more complex manner.

>Why do you think spirits would be disconnected from tech
My stance on tech is that it's created by human and thus not of a higher source than his mind. Why would a higher dimensional being be interested in fiddling with human's toys?
Real life on the other hand - nature - what seems to be simpler than tech is actually spawned by the planet Earth, a higher dimensional being than mere human. Nature has more relevance to human as a playground of spirits (who want to influence human) since mankind is also a part of this system.
For computers, human isn't really integrated into the system yet. Maybe this will change with further virtualization but as of now VR seems to be a top marketing meme only.

>I've had syncs in which events in videogames have "commented on" my daily life in some way
Yeah okay, I've had these too. Even to the point that made me wonder whether the videogame script authors were total geniuses and scripted the dialogues like this on purpose or whether they were absolutely fucking clueless and subject to higher intervention.

>But the deja vu normally requires a lot of sensory immerssion you don't usually get in videogames.
Exactly. Because the emotions are "real" and thus a part of the deja vu while the electric visual output on the monitor is not. That's how it makes sense to me.

>>2300
>>2302
>>2303
Lel, now this is my kinda board

>>2304
>Want to get more active (I'm assuming)
Well for starters you should be looking for something more yang then yin. You asked about energywork so personally I recommend holding the ideal of doing whatever it is you wanna do while doing the Microcosmic orbit, the basic formula to this being you holding intent and charging everything associated with it, (namely your motivation) to Kickstart yourself into action

>>2306
>For example, I never got synchronicities or deja-vu for videogames
Really? I get synchronicities in videogames all the time, well, used to, I don't play much anymore. But when I did I used to see all kinds of cool shit, infact it's probably why I used to like really buggy and broken games more than airtight AAA's, just alot more speaking potential

>>2316
This. Maybe being younger we have grown up more embedded with tech.
>human toys
Make no mistake. Art can take many forms of expresssion, including tech. Any form of creation, really. And art is one step higher towards divinity from mere human existence.

>>2185
Never browsed /x/, it was too creepypasta and larp focused, so I never took it seriously. Maybe 2014 or 15 on 8ch/b/ right before the start of the cat's cradle threads, someone used to namefag as "Wizard". One thread in particular he posted interesting ideas, probably /fringe/, that I could see had multiple interpretations. Some anons would argue against one interpretation or another, not really seeing all of them. It made me want to listen more, despite having been an atheist for quite some time up to that point. He posted a photoshopped pic of bugs bunny reading the principia, and he suggested The Kybalion. Read them in that order and then Black Iron Prison. Eventually /fringe/ popped up and so here I am.

Anyone working with monoatomics / ormus / white powder gold / etc.?
Was reading the archived thread (http://fringebay.com/archive/fringe/4836) and just wondering if anyone made any progress.

how does one work through tree of life system?

>>2372
It’s a pathworking. Look for Kabbalah pathworking. You basically meditate on a sephira, summon an angel, and get presented with lessonsin your life related to the sphere. Then you move on to the next one.

>>2372
Tree of life is archonic, I do not suggest it if you value your free will.

>>2374
You clearly don't understand what archons are. You're brainwashed. And the simple fact that you believe one's free will can be at risk also shows how little you know about anything. And no, I'm not going to debate you further or explain things to you.

>>2372
If you don't like angels and prefer to work with demons, try the Qlippoth. Look up VK Jehannum.
Technically, you can pursue the same kind of goal both the tree of life and the qlippoth will lead you to in the end (self-deification and freedom from the cycle of reincarnation) without working with either, but it's harder, and you're going to have to figure out a lot of stuff on your own, including how to even start off on that path. But the three are good. And many other pathworkings out there are good for the same goal, too. Just do the work man.

>>2375
>You're wrong
>I'm not going to say how or why you're wrong :^)

>>2375

It's not so difficult to find the way on your own. Set the intent, read the related literature, contemplate or pursue whatever ritual you prefer. Keep a healthy dose of skepticism to whatever voices, feelings, and 'revelations' you hear.

I had a spell of evil energy influencing my thoughts a few weeks ago. Felt some really bad mojo inside and around me. Started thinking about how suicide bombers are tools for islamic choates. What happened after all the terrorist attacks and western 'interventions' over the years? An islamic state that seems to get more and more powerful and embedded. So I started contemplating the use of high-energy rituals for enacting my will on the world. Then I realized what was going on and decided not to be scared by some bullshit 'entity' who's only influence over me is inducing bad vibes. It also helped get in touch with the part of myself that would rather die than weaponize other sentient beings in pursuit of something I don't really need in order to Self Realize.

>>2375
>>2374
archons are archetypes, no? why are you two autists fighting?

>>2031
https://8ch.net/tok/res/7.html
>Ultimately our goal is the awakening of people, and the bifrost is cognizant with the hara line (the kundalini's path ad infinity). Thusly to awaken "the road that binds the heavenly spheres/realms together and in that allows that one travels upon between them" in the volk is an apt description of what we seek to do on a spirit level to our volk.

Also >>2088 cheched btw is close to the mark.

>>2382
Thanks, actually I'm he-who-can't-bother-with-discord-because-of-required-phone-registration-and-jews but I did have to make another email because my provider/domain was black listed and had to open a support ticked with another email just to find out why and that the "optional antispam" measure with phone verification was actually manditory and for personal identification not account validation as you needed a number permenantly tethered or the account will implode, and after all this I was told "it is working as intended" so I cussed them out (nicely), explained how they are undermining their customer base, and invoked the forces of holy destruction and darkness upon them.

I'm on matrix now. It's kind of nice actualy, and probably more indestructable than IRC.

>>2294
>>2298
I actually had an experience not long ago that confirms that this works, but it's not instantaneous. It's basically a matter of making all the pieces work in order for the operation itself to work. I made an alarm go off in a building three blocks from where I was while it was not active and people were still in there, but it took 16 hours approximately from the time of my action and the happening. I did it as an experiment. What I like about this method is that it needs no spirits, no ritual tools or space. Just good trance meditation and astral vision skills.
I suppose you hoped for an instantaneous telekinesis technique, but this is the best I can offer at this time. I suspect with practice the time to manifestation can be shortened though.

Meditation/trance: You need to be able to clear your mind of thoughts for several seconds at a time.[1] Focusing on one thing works, like on your breathing. You'll know you've reached the state when stuff starts flashing into your mind with no engagement. You can use this state for charging sigils, military remote viewing, general divination, living better in the moment, reading minds, and of course, the operation I'm describing. If you have a lot of shadow issues, it will not work, and you will need to work on yourself first. Clear trauma, get in equal footing with your ego and all that good alchemical stuff.

Astral vision: Most people misunderstand visualization, so that's why I chose another name for it. You need to hold the above state of mind as solidly as possible for the duration of the vision. At first it will be quite straining, but you'll get better with practice and in the end it will be automatic and effortless.
Relax so that the sensory input from your body is minimized (if you do this well enough and don't fall asleep, you will actually have a full out of body astral projection).
Construct in your mind both the image and the intention of being a few feet away from where you are. If you are sitting, be standing. If you have a hard time staying away from your body in your imagination, try a little farther away. The closer you start to your body, the better it tends to work.
Make sure the visualization runs on its own energy, like a dream. Or rather, as if you were remembering something that already happened. Try remembering stuff and see how that feels.[2] Don't struggle to create the sensory details. They should pop up on their own as you hold your mind blank. All you need to input into the vision is your intention to move and interact with things, like in an OBE or a dream. Make sure the vision is independent before proceeding or you'll be wasting your time. At first, you'll want to walk around your home as practice. Don't try to do too much too fast because you'll start cheating using your imagination and you will ruin it.
If you manage this, at this point you are running a low-energy astral projection. Experiment with it, as long as you keep the principle of not making stuff up, but rather "remembering" it and letting the vision react to your intention instead. It's easy at this point to slip into your imagination and everything from that point on will be worthless.
You will probably see entities and random stuff you don't understand. Refer to literature on astral projection because it applies, but your experience will be filtered through your subconscious. If you don't understand something in your vision, examine it later or ignore it. If you have parasites you will need to work on those first (because they will probably bother you). Learn to use your powers to interact with your environment and learn how to manipulate the physical this way. There's really no point in me explaining this because 1, different people have different techniques and internal ways of representing the same things and 2, you need to work your way there to make it work anyway.

You can also use this for invocation.
This post has been brewing in my mind for two years. I hope it finds someone who can benefit from it. Please share your experiences whenever you have them so that we can all learn. We are all noobs.

1. http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satanic_Void_Meditation.html
2 https://static1.squarespace.com/static/539af6bee4b0cef061847e36/t/53ae69ffe4b00644e6da6892/1403939327208/QUAREIA_M1_L3.pdf

>>2419
This post was exactly what I was looking for when I got the sensation that I needed to check fringebay this evening.

Almost anyone can learn poor remote viewing, but as you're speaking of with the ability to go completely OBE eventually, it is something that you need to build up. So far I've only had two proper OBEs, lasting for only a few seconds each.(I got too exited)

I can attest that imagination will ruin your astral projection. It seems you should avoid routine and repetitive environments and such when you're starting off. Myself I found myself mostly daydreaming during what started as an AP if i resorted to using imagination as a crutch.

It seems that the basics of AP are simple enough you could teach anyone how to do it, I believe I've even been able to teach it to people in about 15 hours time total.(This including ego work beforehand to avoid, emotional disaster from AP experiences)

But getting the grips of even intermediary AP techniques is very time consuming, and needs practice, practice. Always remembering "not to remember", since imagination will ruin the AP. Sortof like going to the gym, anyone can do a deadlift with no weights on the bar, put a bunch of pounds on there and people will struggle.

I felt like asking for more advice on how to get better, but I think I have that knowledge, I just need to put the work in.

Okay faggots. Not expecting anything, but give me a resource or your opinion on the best herbs or materials for living longer by restoring jing. I've had some okay results with jiao gu lan, eleuthero, saffron, ginseng.

>>2494
Not to be that guy, but wanting to live longer is missing the point. Live effectively.

Other than that, afaik herbs and shit doesn't make a miracle cure for a long and healthy life. Here's what I'd list for a long and healthy life, in order of necessity:

1. Medium effort manual labor every day, working outside
2. Ketogenic lifestyle
3. Strong familial bonds with parents, children, and eventually grandchildren.
4. Mental work, through energy work, or psychoanalysis, some basic religion might even do it, meditation.
5. Strong friendships locally, a community of people working together within a 10km radius.

Always remember this fun fact:
>It is better to die for the emperor than to live for yourself.

>>2495
nice to see this place is finally dead and has evolved into a /pol/ zombie

>>2495
>it is better to die for the emperor then to live for yourself
>/pol/ cucks really think this
How disgustingly mundane
>not pursuing self-deification
>not valuing yourself above all others
All the points you made are meaningless. Physical improvement is good, yes, but why do physical labor when you can manipulate (physically and spiritually) others to do it for you?
>Live effectively
Bullshit. How about living forever instead?
The path to immortality is long and only a few will reach it.

>>2495
>>2497
Both your methods work. And you should both know better than to fall for dualistic thinking.

>>1490
I don't know if humanity has a past yet.

>>1491
I think philosophic immortality is a give in a world.

I think servitors are appropriate to one spirit.

>>1492
I think a monk's real body might be in a letter of foundation.

>>1517
I think most people are out of tune with the empress.

>>1554
Incubation heals a problem where the coccyx is in an unbearable pain.

I don't know if it will help to join a group of people who appear as succubi if they're not focused on healing that issue.

>>1555
I have heard an incubus once. It involved an intense, frightening, but otherwise harmless burning feeling in my entire body.

>>1563
In recent history it is probably an incomplete KGB investigation handed over to ecclesiastic organization.

I think the human beings in succubus are still human even if you have projected into the astral.

>>1564
I think people usually wake up in monastery at that time.

>>1569
I think death is in ritual and the decay of the body is in mystery.

>>1693
I think you can find the the texts online.

I think it is important to remember that they center on one letter each.

>>1699
I think most people are learning letters at the same time they are encountering opportunities in the world.

>>2494
Did ya ever find anything good you wanna share?

>>2535
I am sorry I wrote the word 'give' instead of 'given'.

>>2548
Probably first best mid level entity to find you before someone else tricked you off your energy, but you also didnt mention what kind of working you did, where you went, what you were looking for, what impressions she gave, what she told you, what realms she ruled..

Since you also don't want to state what you're looking for (dumb powers), I'm having a hard time trying to guess this entity.

I have my guesses but if I wanted to guess I'd have done so already.

>information is valuable

You don't seem completely retarded at second glance, good luck getting eaten.

>>2549
>kind of working
Something custom with help of mushrooms
>where you went
If I knew that I would already got an idea where to look for wouldn't I
>what impressions she gave
Peace, not a hint of malevolence
>what you were looking for
>Since you also don't want to state what you're looking for...
If you know already why are you asking? It's not that is dumb but It could be dangerous for me, especially since it is true and internet is not safe...
>You don't seem completely retarded at second glance, good luck getting eaten
You don't look like someone who has the powers you think you do with this kind of attitude, this anger is typical from a person who can't control inner vibration so I doubt you could hint the right being...I am sorry but it is the truth...

>>2550
Ok. Have fun getting eaten by some demon.

I'd know what it was depending on the powers you're looking for, to bad you don't want to share and rather project on me.

I'll go ahead and remove your thread to boot since you posted it in the questions thread.

>>2551
Didn't project my only try, it was just a thought and wasn't on purpose...I would never waste energy because of a pointless discussion...

>>2553
You already know this is a dumb idea and I wont be telling you its a good idea unless i know more, like for example what powers, the main thing in this whole talk, which you wont drop.

>I would never waste energy because of a pointless discussion

Me to, thing is, you acting like some anxious faggot who wants to get cuddled in exchange for information when you're coming for help is making this a pointless waste of time.

People and entities can mask their presence and intent.

>>2548
>so yesterday I was in deep trance and I met a Shadow Lady that was talking an unknown language to me and I kind understood her, she wanted to trade a power that I wanted In exchange for 10 years of my life
Why do you even care? Trading 10 years of your life is not worth anything she could offer you.

>>2555
What if she offered him to live 20 years longer than he would otherwise?

checkmate athiest

Have you been to https://mewch.net/fringe ?

Yes. Once.

meguca/fringe/ is way better

>>2494
heh, how about not wasting it :^)


ok I'll be serious - ginseng; reishi; goji berries; and if you're a daring motherfucker colloidal metals. But physical herbs can only go so far unless you match it with ascending spiritual purity and cultivation

>>2559
>>2557
>>2558
>>2559

>>2557
I have but tbh Mewch is kind of a time-sink. I already go on here and discord 24/7 and the rest of my time is dedicated to practice and study, but mostly practice these days. Mewch judt gets dogged out

>>2548
>I traded 5 years of ny life for a siddhi
You can't be serious. Was it at least a good siddhi? What'd ya get?

>>2556
Big lel

Lol, anybody else put up a heavy ward everytime they go outta the house? I swear these mundanes filthy up every area they touch, can't have that on muh aura

>>2567
I just do some shielding and clense myself regularly with solar energy when I'm out and about with the mundane scum.
I look forward to the day when they will be purged from these lands and great wizards are able to reign supreme.

>>2570
Lel, you know it brotha, Revelations when?

>>2571
>Revelations
>Christ-stain garbage
Yeah nah. But I agree with the concept of a great cleansing, that only the more evolved humans shall survive.

>>2572
>he hasn't come full circle yet
I just think shit's gonna hit the fan, and when it does...
:^)

Oh hey look what's back

>>2188
Yes.

>>2235
this

I think women are people too.

>>2734
lol, get a load of this goy

>>2734
>>2735
(((((((((kidding)))))))))

>>2734
>men
>thinking

>>2742
>thinks there are any men here
besides Cantaloupe

Is there a fringe discord server?

>>2744
what do you guys think about being vegetarian or vegan?
I'm seriously considering to change my diet for moral reasons, the industry of food makes me feel uneasy about what I eat

>>2745
You don't need to be 100% strict with it, but you will notice your health improve. Humans were meant to consume meat sparingly, and certainly not put growth hormones and fucked up karma in that shit. Vegetarian or vegan diets have a plus, which is that you are forced to have a very varied diet and research what you eat, and it shows.
I personally have reduced meat to once every couple of weeks and complement it with daily fruit and nuts, daily vegetables and fish a couple of times a week. I go to the toilet better and feel lighter. Recommend.

>>2745
It can work, just be careful with what you consume. Avoid soy products because they make you into a bitch, and do a lot of lookup/research. I don't suggest going full vegan/vegetarion/meat eating. Instead I suggest just having a balanced diet and listening to what you body desires.
For eating meat I suggest looking up better sources for your meat. What to go for and what not to go for.

There are certain situations in which soy is suitable. Rule number one is not doing anything out of dogmatism, because there are metabolic differences that will change how certain foods will affect you. There are no hard rules, as easy and convenient as that would be. Experiment and think for yourself.

>>2742
>women
>logic

>>2743
>Cantaloupe
who?

Objects and places are containers. Inside these containers are worlds. Spirits inhabit these worlds. Emotional interaction with the containers feeds these worlds. Sometimes the spirits have knowledge of the world outside of their world and agency in them. Sometimes they don’t. Humans can interact with containers in two ways: emotionally reacting to them from the outside or emotionally inhabiting the worlds within.

Nanya business

Discord link broke.

>>2776
https://discord.gg/tq2Fysa

>>2776
>>2777
Fixed. Thanks.

Merry Christmas denizens of fringebay! May you escape from the Demiurge one day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBW39rqmUlE
Gnomes. Are they real?

>>2780
>Gnomes. Are they real?
Yup, they were confirmed by Bardon unless you don't trust Bardon for whatever reason. Gnomes are spirits comprised solely of the earth element and are literally the earth element personified. These beings are short, stocky, materially-minded and feel a deep connection to nature and all mineral things. Silence is like music to them, they're so present in the moment they percieve no passage of time at all besides the changing state of what they're currently crafting or building. Practically speaking, the gnomes are good for learning alchemy and, wisdom in general tbh. They're experts in anything governed by the earth element so take that as you will. On top of that they're usually pretty friendly to humans, which is nice. I can't say anything about em absolutely cause I have only very little experience with em personally as of yet, but of the advice I've gotten from em, pretty solid heh. I'd definitely recommend working with em once you're really clairvoyant. Like minimum full physical clairvoyance. If you can't carry out full-fledged conversations with astral beings how will you expect to take anything from a conversation with a gnome alchemist? Just something to consider

>>2784
Information put into your subconcious, automatic writing, some form of scrying, and probably some other ways are possible methods of gathering knowledge. Having full physical clairvoyance can be pretty advanced to someone who doesn't have the natural skill.
>>2779
The Demiurge is dead.

>>2785
>The Demiurge is dead.
How did he die?

>angery sorcshit noises
>>material doesn't impact the nonphysical

Hah!

I can't even start to think the amounts of wrong required to hit that opinion.
Do you have any idea how much this think is limiting you?

>>2784
>can't carry out full-fledged conversations with astral beings
You'd have been able to do this month ago if you could speak with your heart.

>>2800
> You'd have been able to do this month ago if you could speak with your heart
Alright let's see them magus essays you've written down after having full word-for-word conversations with Andimo fagit

>>2785
Quality post. Yeah, I've tried communicating with em by psychomancy and, I've gotten pretty good results with what I've asked although things like a step-by-step guide on making the philosopher's stone I'll probably need full clairvoyance for cause, well, psychomancy is great for singular concepts but the broader a subject is the more "blurry" your results will be so to speak. Does that make sense? Uhm, like for example, if I psychomance a hidden number, I'll get the feeling of 2 or 4 or 5 simple as that, but if I had to psychomance an entire Bank vault code, like 37527562875247864 or something, because psychomancy just gives you the upfront feeling of whatever you psychomance, it'd all just blur into one big conglomerate like "7" or so. But in reality the code would be anything but "just 7"

>>2801
>Andimo
>associating with some bully faggot who baits you and takes your loosh

And I don't do conversation with the planets, its more like downloading information, aligning with ideals, buzzing their broad range of frequencies, becoming the essence of the teachings of the words rather than remembering the words.

Words are a tier below the truth, or moral, of the story, as words convey the message.

>>2804
I don't see how you can just embody a 6 page instructional essay on how to sublimate coal into The Living Sulfur. Maybe we're thinking about different orders of magical advice

>>Andimo

Imagine thinking you're above a guy who's known for physically manifesting rare radioactive isotopes at the feet of people who evoke him like it's child's play

anyone have a book called the Mesmerist by Kenyata Long? or Enchantment the witches art of manipulation by peter paddon?

please do not tell first best unworthy retard walking in here how to hurt others with magic when his intent is obviously to hurt someone.

>>2831
Yeah true good point

PSA: The Colors and Understanding of The Chakras was Changed in the 1900's by Theosophists.
Theosophists, of course, being the precursors to the UN. Yes, that's right, all that supposed knowledge you have about Eastern mysticism has been purposefully tweaked for your enrichment.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread892672/pg1

>>2844
Things like this, low vibe parasites with knowledge, is why I want to delete the site.

Why would I want to host an outlet for your degeneracy, feeding on others misery and suffering?

I don't.

>>2844
> remember to always take responsibility for your actions.

Its no matter, forces which you can't comprehend will make sure you're held accountable anyway.

Karma is real and if you touch someone who can punch back or has a guardian spirit, you're pooped.

>how to hurt others with magic (destructive, evil)
Removed.

>how to magic (neutral)
Would not have gotten removed.

Its the way you say it that makes everything you spew be rotten like your insides.

Oh and you better not come to meguca, we have threads filled with sigils there.

>>2855
You should stay there.

>come talk about magic on my wesite
>deletes everything that isn't Hindu mantras and chakra bullshit
>Gee I wonder why this board is dead?

>>2858
This. Ah, good old drama bullshit.

Why the Kybalion has different 7 rules than the Arcane Teachings and what are the true ones?

>>2864
What's the Arcane Teachings?
If you're talking about sins, like religions have, they are also different from one religion to another as well. This is because they are not absolute truths, but guidelines to help the practitioner do well with regards to the actual truth that led whomever wrote that list to write it.

>>2865
No, I'm talking about a book by Atkinson. He claims it's based on some authentic hermetic scripts, and they don't agree with the Kybalion.

>>2866
This is what the Kybalion is based on, in case you're interested in going deeper:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/vow/index.htm

As far as I'm aware, the Kybalion doesn't contain "rules". If you're talking about the principles, why don't you list both and we can analyze the conflict and get our own answers?

>>2869
I forgot to write that I don't think that the principles from the Kybalion are needed here. Everyone here knows them.

>>2870
I don't know the seven hermetic principles by heart, but that's OK.
Let's see how they match up:
>mentalism: no correspondence
>correspondence: law of analogy
>vibration: law of rhythm
>polarity: law of opposites
>rhythm: law of cyclicity
>cause and effect: law of sequence
>gender: law of opposites (again, maybe?)

I'm sure they don't match 1 to 1, and there seems to be a bit more exposition in Atkinson's, but where's the disagreement?

>>2871
>>2872
>there is no being that governs the universe
I can agree with that.

>>2872
What has the principle of mentalism to do with anyone governing the universe?

>>2874
The principle of mentalism says that everything is just a mental creation of THE ALL, also impying that THE ALL exists outside of the reality, its creation. Meanwhile Atkinson denies that on the basis of some hermetic srolls.

>>2829
I don't know, but check here:
https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ

I usually feel like shit, and I can't learn magic or do basic exercises because I constantly don't have any strenght/will to force myself to do it, even though I want to do it. It's like there's a barrier that keeps me away. How to change that?

>>2878
It depends on your personality. The first step is always to know oneself. In this case, in order to know how to work with yourself. It could be self-hypnosis, asking a demon/spirit for assistance, asking for another person's, psychotherapy or other ways of getting to the actual reason why you refuse to do the things you want to do (why do you want to do them in the first place? Why wouldn't you want to do them?).
Nobody can do that work for you. You need to get to know yourself as if you were helping someone else.

>>2879
I'm trying to know myself for 4 years now and I only know what doesn't work. I was thinking about asking good spirits for assistance. Are there any invocations of them?

To elaborate on that barrier, every time I want to do something (I have goals btw) there's a voice that tells me how hard it would be, and reminds me of my failures and unpleasant emotions felt when doing that in the past (like tiredness during and after physical exercises or general exhaustion during meditation). Every time when I'm strong enough to ignore that voice, after some time I fall and do nothing again.

>>2880
Mmmh. Maybe try working with that voice? I believe it was Jung who had a method in which the patient is to give name to their inner demons and interact with them. Use meditation and self-hypnosis to know that voice, its motivations, etc.

>>2882
Won't I end up empowering this being? After all, for example, the more you interact with the tulpa the stronger it gets. And this being already hinders me.

>>2883
That is for you to decide, but I believe fighting it is the worst thing you can do. Use the gentle touch. Remember you are an eternal god. That problems are there for you to take advantage of them and grow.

But follow your instinct.

>>2884
I tried to talk to this voice, and I just got silence and normal distraction thoughts. It acts only when I try to do something that I think will help me.
Today I tried fasting, to see if it will help. I felt like I was attacked. There were thoughts about that I should give up, there's no improvement, I won't be able to last the whole day. After like 3 hours it came with additional thoughts like I did a lot of fasting, everything is OK now and I can stop. Since i'm weak I just gave up.
So, what should I do? I want this to stop.

>>2885
Pray to your higher self to guide you in this process and trust it. Have patience and try to come up with a solution by yourself from there on out. Try to meditate 20 minutes every day. If you do even 30 seconds it's good.

>>2887
What is this sigil you bestow on us oh Lord of Beans??

>>2888
Its pretty good, invoke it and see for yourself.

>>2890
You’re not the Lord of Beans. I rushed to conclusions. You are Qilipotle Guy.

Does the library gets updated or is there a new library?

What an absolute fucking disappointment.

>>2900

>>2900

>>2905
Its also a telltale of your condition, weather the sounds of your being are beautiful or discordant.

Can anyone tell me how to create a haunted doll? Or possessed puppet? Asked the same question on 8ch a while ago but no reply came. I am curious if it's possible through visualization and giving the puppet attention alone like creating a tulpa and I'm also curious if literally any doll/toy/figurine can become haunted or if you need some special doll. How long would such a process take until the puppet becomes alive?

>>2921
Your method may work depending on your skill. Mind and Magick guy Frater Xavier has a servitors course on gumroad that goes into this. The Frabato novel has some clues too. Any doll will do.

Is there something like battle magick, i.e. using magical ways to cause immediate physical trauma to the material body of some entity?

>>2924
Thanks. As far as I understand the occult and magic getting a love doll and fucking it("her") would accelerate the process since it's basically attention and energy giving on a whole other level. Would this be recommendable? Semen and the act of sex seem to be regarded as powerful in some magical circles. To be honest I would take this route if it's advisable even tho I'm currently celibate.
Also if I succeed in making one doll alive, would that make me a necromancer? You basically give life to "dead" matter and bring a spirit into it. If one creates a haunted doll then shouldn't it also be possible to create zombies since there shouldn't be a difference between a doll and a corpse. I don't want to create zombies but the topic is interesting.

>>2925
Like in the show The Magicians? I'm not sure. I once read Peter J. Carroll pointed at someone and sent a demon half-unintentionally. I've also heard a story about someone doing something like that and bursting a man's kidney right then and there. But I wouldn't think about it in terms of The Magicians, but rather as commanding low conscious energy.

>>2926
That is dangerous stuff. I suggest you read https://selfdefinition.org/tibetan/Alexandra-David-Neel-With-Mystics-and-Magicians-in-Tibet.pdf before venturing into that. In fact, I'd suggest you keep learning and practicing until you know enough that you can decide whether to do this or not without needing to ask anybody about it. You can harm yourself and/or others.

>>2928
No need to worry, I will go out of my way to make sure that my doll comrade will not harm any other innocent being. If I get harmed it's not so bad.
Got myself the recommended Frabato novel but that course on gumroad is too expensive for me just for that, I am hoping to find some free info. It seems like I only should apply a mix of the techniques of creating a tulpa and a surveitor but I read you can invite spirits into the puppet through the Ouija board. I guess it's the difference between making your own spirit and inviting some random, potentially harmful demon into it. I wouldn't necessarely want an evil spirit in the doll, unless it's for the purpose of giving the doll to some assholes who deserve it and enjoy the lulz but that's not my goal at all right now.

>>2925
Yeah it's called git gud. Nobody gets to the level of John Chang setting shit on fire in seconds without cultivating their magical power for decades, and cultivating their spiritual purity and morality so the veil of isis allows ypu to attain that level pf power in the first place

>>2911
Discordant, I love that word. You mean as in spreading chaos? Cause as far as I can tell the whole discord drama was:
>server with bp and Tipp - chaos
>server with bp and no Tipp - perfect order

>my energy audionature is discordant
You have no idea what you're talking about

>>2921
I wouldn't do this if you need to ask tbh. What you're really asking at the end of the day is "How do I charge something enough to where it's noticeably sentient". Technically you can just say a rock is sentient and it will be for like a brief second, but you're probably asking about how you make a doll move on it's own, have a human-lile presence to it, and maybe even perform magic of it's own, and the answer to that is if you're asking, a thoughtform of that magnitude could probably beat your ass lol, and it so will too if you make one like that, mark my words. Any thoughtform you create'll not be human unless you are very advanced and knowledgeable on the menta-astra-physical matrices, so immediately they'll be looking for how to survive as long as possible without any sorta human sense of morality and having given them enough energy to manifest in the first place, you'll be their first target, so you better be ready for when it's time's up and it stops acting nice for you, cause once you tell it to go back to non-existence it's not gonna go back willingly

>>2926
"All you need to do is locate the astral/spiritual location of a deceased person, and bring them back to their physical form. At this point, reenergize their physical body so that it heals, and place their consciousness back within the physical shell."
From the Book of Knowledge, one of the last pages.

>>2926
>>2933

The Book of Knowledge is notorious for explaining magus-tier shit like it's nothing in my opinion. The entry on making stargates is a great example. Ya gotta keep in mind with that book, this is a person who in one chalter just starts casually talking about the first day they ever levitated, like this guy's no joke and I don't even think he's aware of his immense magical power. Anyway to put that quote into perspective:

> bring them back to their physical form.

Most recently deceased people're gonna be in an astral coma for their first few years until they wake up, good luck with convincing them of shit unless they're a pretty good wizard themselves

>At this point, reenergize their physical body so that it heals

Unless it's something easy like "heart inflammation" or asphyxiation you realize this is gonna take a meteic fuckton of energy to manipulate physical flesh and matter right?

>and place their consciousness back within the physical shell.

Can you pull your entire soul out of your body to the point your physical vessel becomes cold, pale and clammy like in step 9 of IIH? If not then how do you expect to move another person's soul and spirit back into their corpse in a reasonable amount of time? Again, this is coming from a person who halfway through their book casually explains how to magically condense a direct, walk-right-through gateway bridging entire dimensions through time and space, it's easier said than done unless you're a Bardon-tier magus

>>2932
He gumroad course I mentioned contains a method to restrict the servitor to avoid those problems. Basically create it moving from Kether down through the flaming sword placing restrictions and characteristics as needed and fitting. Since higher sephira have precedence over lower once, the limitations set in binah would override any intention to live longer or feed set in netzach or anywhere lower than binah. It’s a long process but not complicated. It’s mimicking creation itself.
>>2935
You have a link for that book?

>>2936
Nevermind. Found it.

>>2936
Ah good idea

>>1919
If you see no difference between human young and some inane micro organism, you're lhp as far as I'm concerned.

What am I really doing through all these exercises? Is there some energy that gets increased and allows me to do fun wizard shit, or is there some barrier that I'm destroying, that keeps me from doing magic? For two years I've been doing breathing one-pointedness meditation, just to realize that I can get some wierd feelings at the third, FULLY FOCUSED breath. So is there even something keeping me away or I can do everything right here and now?

>>2939
Are you implying that there is something inherently wrong in being lhp? If so, what would it be and why?

>>2940
Those are good questions to make. Now answer them.

>>2941
Lacking humanity. LHP are not really human, and if you're lacking, you're lacking.

>>2943
That almost seems like humanity is something good, or valuable. One would come to believe that humanity is implied to be a strength and a positive feature.
But if you honestly reflect upon this topic will you not find rather quickly that this is only what your human ego and your identification forces you to believe? Will you not realize easily that humanity in fact is more like a weakness and a desease, and all occultist, even those of the right hand path, strive to leave their humanity(and nature) behind and evolve past it? Humans are so funny for thinking they are the highest but they are completely stuck up in their ego and their delusions.

>>2943
>LHP are not really human
What a baneful and shitty thing to say.
>>2944
What a resentful attitude.

Jesus Christ this site…

Can you transmute fat into loosh? Is it done like transmuting any other energy?
inb4 >Exercise fatty
I'm doing it, but the fat energy goes into moving the body, how do you use it during for ex. thoughtform creation?

>>2945
Resentful attitude? I merely pointed out that there are higher stages of being to aspire to and humanity is just a stage, a rather low stage at that, of spiritual evolution. You'll have to give up humanity eventually anyway so you cannot blame lhp for already giving some of it up and taking other paths. A human being only clinges to humanity because it absolutely cannot understand the workings of much higher entities and prefers to stay complete deluded in their believe that some sort of puny humanity is the end goal. Do you think great wizards or enlightened masters have attained humanity? Nope, the have left it behind. Look at the bluepilled and braindead society, that is actual humanity. Buddhahood is not humanity.

>>2946
By focusing on something (like a sigil) while exercising is a good option. By exercising your body is releasing a lot of energy so focusing while doing it and after is a good idea.
>>2947
I agree with everything written here. Nice post anon. Evolution beyond the weak human form is important if you desire to become anything greater.

>>2496
You do not know the Emperor, if you think that the Imperium is comparable to 95% of /pol/.

>>2940
>What am I really doing through all these exercises?
Well that depends on what you're doing, lol. With breathing one-pointedness you're only really gonna get a calm and stable mind, not much else. Now say if you did the elements, yeah you'd be working to achieve a stronger and stronger menta-astral connection to em to the point you could eventually shoot fireballs n shit, (yes that's a legit thing physically possible). Though even then you really have to give it your all day-to-day for years on end to really make any progress in it. About a year ago now I worried that if The Veil of Isis fucked up or something and the unworthy normalfags and mundanes got a hold of knowledge like the elements and pranayama they'd destroy the world with the eventual power they'd gain, but honestly nowdays I realize nobody who's at all unworthy of magus-tier power is gonna eeeever get it, atleast with anything outside mineral alchemy, and that's because actual magus-tier power takes an absolute metric fuckton of dedication and I can say with complete certainty no one who is a shitty person'll ever have what it takes to get to any dangerous level of power in magic. But yeah word of advice: Do Initiation Into Hermetics then Practice of Magical Evocation

Guys I'm starting to freak out. I did a bit of magical training and meditation, and just a moment ago I looked at my relfection in the mirror and had a growing feeling that it's not my reflection that is on the other side, that there's something else. What is this a sign of (besides personality disorder) and is it normal during magical training?

>>2980
Disassociation. Chill.

Who are you? Who am I? What am I?

I am.. Spirit. Body. Soul.

What is? Define yourself.

>>2980
You are probably sensing your shadow. I suggest you do this exercise: https://youtu.be/oD0lDoVsWko
Also infuse some sense of humor into your spirituality or you will eventually go crazy.

What is more "magic" name for the state of meditative joy? Like where am I during it, in the void, the astral or something?

Is there any other method of performing Going Deeper meditation from The Book of Knowledge (void meditation) (lowering brain waves)? I can bet my ass that yogis and monks didn't use ecalator or a ladder technique.

>>2988
Define meditative joy. Sometimes during my sessions of invoking the elements I fall into trances of being fire, or being water, an indescribable comfiness of feeling like a rock restfully no-minding at the center of a mountain undisturbed for millions of years as gnomes warm the soil around you with their brewing up some nice stew and reading bedtime stories to their kids, all that to say there's a million different kinds of "joys" out there, which one're you referring to?

>>2988
That state is called “samadhi”.
>>2989
What do you care about what yogis use?
A good method for getting a handle on what you're looking for is to practice falling asleep. That's when you naturally lower your brainwaves the most, and you do it every day. You just need to learn to do it consciously.
This is the usual pattern for most lessons. Somewhere in nature or in your life, there's already what you're looking for, waiting for you to get a handle on it.
As for those techniques you mention, those are just techniques for getting “out of the body” when you still don't know how to move your mental body. Here's a series of articles on that subject:
http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/xanths-phasing-primer/

But really if you practice the meditation that's in the Book of Knowledge about walking in the forest enough, you can use the same skills you'll learn for astral navigation. What Bardon called mental and astral projections are really different degrees of the same skill.

>>2992
Yeah, like >>3002 said. When it lasts, it's like an additional, bottom layer to emotions. You can experience any emotion you want, but you still have this feeling of tranquility, basicaly non-irritation. It's kinda addicting tbh.
You can easily enter this state, without any preparation just lay down, pick a spot in the nose and focus on the sensation produced by breathing in this spot. Your focus cannot shift anywhere, like only this spot exists. Thinking about what you have to do is also bad.

>>3002
Maybe yogis have better, easier techniques.
>As for those techniques you mention
I only mentioned one technique. Are GDM, void meditation and lowering brain waves different things?

>>3003
Hmm, interesting

I've been doing magic everyday for some time now, and I've run out of energy. I literally feel drained, I don't even want sex/to masturbate, which COULD mean that 100% of ojas (sex energy) is being transmuted. I've even turned to vampirism, but I've yet to master it, cause I don't get much. Visualisation doesn't really do anything for me either, I don't feel energised when I imagine energy flowing into me. I get a small dose though each time I ask the Creator for it. So, what are easy to tap into large amounts of energy and how to do it?

>>3019
Pull in energy from your surroundings, pull in energy from from the sun, elements, etc. Pretty simple. Fast breathing can help build up a lot of prana. Work on your kundalini. Get proper sleep. Eat well. Fast sometime.

>>3019
Besides what brownpill said, getting bored builds up energy. Try spending a day just sitting around your house, trying to keep your mind blank and doing absolutely nothing except the bare minimum (drinking water, cooking...). No music, no internet, games or reading. Literally get bored. Bonus points if you fast.
It’s like a miniature Abramelin Operation. By the end of it you’ll be shooting thunderbolts out of your dick.

>>3021
>besides what Brownpill said
I- I didn't say anything yet...
>mfw

>>3019
Honestly I would contend your problem is in you using your own bioenergy for magic and not universal energy (if that's the case). I've told you niggers a thousand times I'll say it again, using your own bioenergy doesn't make you grow faster or "le hypertophy ur personal energy reserves", its less like lifting weights with your own muscles and more like filling up your water gun with your own blood lol. Ya think that's gonna hypertrophy your blood to play watergun fight with your own blood? lol. Anyway, use universal energy. The whole idea that magical power comes from the strength of your personal energybody is retarded and unfounded anyway, it's in how extremely you can mentally connect to and channel the universal elements in their purest forms. If magical power was all about your physical body's health, then how do you think maguses like Jesus even existed? (And they did fucking exist) He'd burst into flames with that high a fire-quality, and for that matter if magical power is all about your physical health and energy than why was a smoker fatfuck like Bardon well known for being so magically powerful his elemental condensations'd often be so powerful they'd be physically visible to even mundanes like literal fantasy-tier magic? Cause its not. If I were you I'd do a shitload of pranayama with vital energy (solar energy), and if your nervous system gets burnt out on that but you're still tired, use lunar energy to rebalance yourself... uuuntil you go stiff and clammy,, then rotate back to solar. You might be wondering "Well why not just use the balance between solar and lunar energy if I have to rock back and forth like that?" Well the problem is the only thing between solar and lunar energy is Akasha and that's... well its not exactly as energizing as solar or lunar energy, infact its quite literally nothingness I mean you could use it to heal yourself very effectively infact but it's just not within the scope of my post. Anyway, make sure you do so with intent to heal yourself, and while you're at it might as well throw in some no-mind as well, and if you've got some milk and honey, mix that shit up and drink that bitch, shit's great on multiple levels. After all this's over, to prevent similar occurences I'd start on IIH, go through each of the steps one-by-one honestly and fairly, and when you get to step 3, slowly build your strength in the elements. Astrally speaking, strengthening your quality (quality, not quantity) in fire'll make you more magically powerful, water'll make you more magically sensitive and in-tune, air'll make you smarter and more naturally balanced, and earth'll make you magically tougher.

FYI: Quality is how extremely you can imagine each element btw. Quantity is how much you can contain at once, along with how long you can sit ur ass down and meditate without fidgeting like an autist lol

>>3025
>>besides what Brownpill said
Either he is colorblind and the greenpill looks brown or maybe he didn't look closely enough.

>>3030
I'm not full colorblind, but I have a slight green deficiency and if I don't pay attention I can miss some colors.
Whenever I see a pillost I assume it's bp.

>>3032
Is ok bb
I'll admit though sometimes I kinda worry if somebody'd someday start impersonating me on here and, well I wouldn't be too concerned if they were fuckin stupid and just posted shit like "lol u gay T. Brownpill", but if they said something like "Oh shit you have a neg! Quick, evoke Osrail before its too late!", reading like something I'd actually post but subtley very dangerous or bad advice, I wonder how many people would actually tell the difference or if I'd just end up with some Discord riot against me

Tbh I think that kinda falls on the responsibility of the recipient though, to keep in mind that imageboards are an anonymous platform and unless you have really good psychomancy and astral senses then you don't really know who you're talking to for sure and ultimately that makes imageboards kind of a dangerous outlet for magical advice and discussions, atleast for beginners anyway. Like for example there was once a guy on 4/fit/ that gave some teenager advice on a supplement stack where he could alledgely live solely on vitamin supplements and the kid ended up getting kidney failure from it and it crushed his dreams of performing at the IFBB. It turned out the guy he got the advice from had a poison fetish and purposefully upped the vitamin K intake in the supplement stack to lethal levels in an attempt to kill the kid. 'Luckily' the kid survived, but i say that in quotations cause now his entire life was ruined, dreams crushed. He had like 20 years to live at like 19 and had to undergo dialysis weekly which he said was very painful apparently. There was actually a funny rumor about him going and hunting down all the tripfags on /fit/ at the time and, well I didn't believe it at first but after Rich Piana got hit by an unidentified suv like a week later I actually dunno about all that lol. But anyway the point is soliciting advice over imageboards's very dangerous and magical advice is probably some fo the most dangerous to solicite ontop of all that. So neophytes be warned, and take everything you read on here with a dose of salt

>>3033
>>3034
Choose nothing to be someone other then what you were meant to be. Only through voided future can true light be shown upon pathways that have yet to be seen.

>>3035
ur gay and so is bardon
t. Brownpill

>>3035
quality post

>>3036

Woah shit. Iceberg's meltin bois

>>3045

https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18492

>>3051
Ah thanks

>>3045
>>3051
God fucking damn it. I have to go into literal psychomancing mode to be able to tell the two pill colors apart at a glance and without zooming in. It’s pissing me off.
Fuck genetics. I’m gonna fix this shit.

>>3054
lol

So uh, what d' you guys think of the other /fringe/ subcircles? Like Meguca and the millions of /fringe/ discords? Come to think of it, they look kinda barron, is /fringe/ just dying or is everbody on some other platform I'm not aware of

>>3061
Fringe is not dying, it's already dead for a long time. Because it was always shit and had nothing to offer except for disinfo, larp and shilling basically from the start. And there is no other platform, you are not missing out anything. The discords are the bottom of the toilet.
>what d' you guys think of the other /fringe/ subcircles? Like Meguca
Well why don't you go and check out for yourself and make your own oppinion? Why would you want to know what some other guy thinks when you can use your own brain? Btw I think meguca has the most potential of all fringes, all it needs are some people who come there and bring topics and life there. Nothing will be consored or blocked there at least like here, no meme faggot will spam the entire board to death like on 8ch.

>>3061
Tipp's discord is quite active.
Besides, what are you going to talk about with those autists (in general, not only at discord)? Shouldn't mage study alone?

I'm not very powerful, but if you want company you can do what I'm doing, which is recruiting people around me into the occult.

>>3061
/fringe/ is what it is. The work happens at home. Whatever needs to happen online will happen.
>>3062
t. vampire anon

>>3061
>So uh, what d' you guys think of the other /fringe/ subcircles?
8/fringe/ has nothing left, just degenerate trash.
>Like Meguca and the millions of /fringe/ discords?
I don't care for that website, its interface feels uncomfortable to use.
> Come to think of it, they look kinda barron, is /fringe/ just dying or is everybody on some other platform I'm not aware of
Lack of a main website to group upon is probably the biggest issue. Fringechan was probably the best manifestation of /fringe/, but since it has fallen everyone of worth has probably stopped browsing or fucked off to some small corner.
I would say that its "dying" in the sense that the community has been splintered among several websites or people who actually had some skill prefer not to trouble themselves with website filled with neophytes who are unable to read some basic books and begin practicing.
Problem with a lot of discords is that they are usually ruled by some faggot like tipp. So enough people get removed then another community pops up. Then some retard in power repeats it. The occult community attracts a lot of those people, not ones who are legit. Working hard on self-improvement, care about personal advancement and advancement of the group they are connected to.
Fringechan was rather good in that regard, with individuals Librarian (I forgot your real name, sorry old friend) who created a lot of content for the website and knew what they were doing. What good times...

>>3062
>Well why don't you go and check out for yourself and make your own oppinion?
Because I already have. How do you think I even know about em in the first place if I haven't already been to em? lol.

>>3066
>or people who actually had some skill prefer not to trouble themselves with website filled with neophytes who are unable to read some basic books and begin practicing.
this tbchf

>>3063
> Besides, what are you going to talk about with those autists (in general, not only at discord)?
Actually the funny thing is I myself have no interest in Discord I was just bringing it up for the sake of the post, but yeah I see what you mean and last time I checked the Discords had absolutely nothing of value in em. Just 'spiritual' social clubs basically with no real knowledge or practice

> Shouldn't mage study alone?
Ofcourse. Honestly best path I've seen so far (universally speaking) is git physical clairvoyance and go innawoods and talk to EarthZoner's all day like the ancient adept hermits, sounds comfy too especially if you get inedianism down pat

AND FRINGEBAY IS BACK! HURRAH!

If I'm God where are my God powers and why am I weak?

>>3076
because you are nothing

>>3076
You are divine, but your conscious mind isn't. The question is being posed by your conscious mind (obviously).
What do you think the practice of magic is? You need to practice more and you won't ask these questions.

>>3078
>You need to practice more and you won't ask these questions.
This is a valid response for every question here.
>What do you think the practice of magic is?
Assuming this question didn't mean to be rhetoric: getting more power and learning how to use it.

Still, since I'm not my conscious mind, where are my God powers?

>>3084
You are not god. Who told you that? If you were god then you wouldn't be a weak faggot asking here. It's a very silly and new-agy notion to assume you are just god by default, but you can tell the truth from just observing you. Are you a powerful god, or are you a weak faggot? You have to put in a lot of work and effort to become a god.

>>3085
A lot of occult books say that you and god are the same. From the top of my head Book of Knowledge. I know there are advanced techniques there but I never saw anyone saying it's shit. Also there's no need to be mean.

>>3086
>>3084
OK, I'll try to explain better. Any part of you that can say "I" or "me", isn't divine. Magic comes down to talking with the part of you that is and telling it to do shit (except if you're one of those pussy demonolaters that have no power of their own and depend on demons to do favours for them all the time instead).
That's why I said that if you practiced more you wouldn't need to ask these questions, because since the practice of magic consists of contacting that part of you that is divine, you will eventually understand what I'm telling you.
So, that's where your god powers are.
On a different note, god powers may not take the form you expect either

>>3066
>all this salt cause he got kicked from discord for being a bitter sour cunt lmao

lmao

Let there be light!

Mes wants me dead, Brownpill wants me gone and stare wants me trolled.
For months on end now I've been getting cursed by "Mes" (literally means cowardly pussy in swedish), who has made a useful idiot of Brownpill (with his limited perspectives, getting led by his big nose), whose brother Stareman is acting like cointelpro, shilling, scouting and exerting influence in many other server, all in order to position themselves for what was about to happen if I were anyone but me.
They have been trying to wear me down for months so I decided to with this little stunt to bring to light the entirety of what has been going on, for everyone else to see.

I didn't start /fringe/ but I most certainly have been the driving force in it not dissipating, since roughly 2009 I have contributed immensely, making special mention of the question threads, of which up to #30 I was nigh alone in answering questions that is why those three underhanded imps will never seize /fringe/ to use for their own goals, being, power for powers sake, advertising, taking space & collecting people like resources, to be used, because I am /fringe/, nigger.

>>3091
>>3092

Jai Kali Ma!

You failed in your attempt at making my heart weak so that I would quit, your magic is weak and always will be.

You will never be /fringe/, Mes. You will never be able to use the /fringe/ egregore to rise in this world, she has rejected you.

>>Mundanes aren't complete trash, they are little workers following the orders of the world they are molded into. - Mes

While this is true, you seek to use people in stead of raising them up.

By nature, power will never come to your ilk, unless seized with subterfuge or force, and you're to dumb and to weak for either.

Enjoy your depressing reality as something lower than an astral parasite, a blob of self hate manifesting its broken line of thoughts outwards because it is angry, sad and wounded.

Jai Kali!

Jai Kali Ma!

>>3086
>book of knowledge
More like book of shit. Do you really torture yourself with this abomination? Look, just because there is a tiny spec of god who created you inside you, doesn't mean you are god. You are far from being god. You need to evolve and become a god of your own, until then you are just a mundane who will die and go to hell in the end. That tiny part of god that is trapped inside you, that means shit. This spec is not you. But you can use it, grow it and unite with it and liberate yourself and become god. Becoming god in no way means to "unite" yourself with any other god or being btw. You become a individual god of your own. Realize that right now you are seperate from god, and in no way at all are you god. That's hilarious. Better get started asap and do the work that you have to do to liberate yourself, or perish.

How to raise your vibrations?

I've seen some posts from the Crimson Alchemy Guild or whatever they are called,wished to join their discord but the link seems dead.Does anyone have a newer link or something like that?

>>3199
There was some drama and they went away. Try asking in our Discord (link in the top bar).

Someone spoonfeed me on dream-catcher please. I know nothing.

I'm sweaty and it's not even full summer. How can you drop your body temperature?

>>3208
It's as simple as vividly visualizing coldness. This will take some practice.

>>3208
If you’re overweight, lose weight. Also, stop using air conditioning and spent time outside. Your body will go back to normal.

What do I need to do/have to achieve self-sustaining stable meditation and magick practice? Self-sustaining as I don't have to fight with myself to do it.

>>3211
Achieving that with meditation is literally the whole point of it. So just... work it out. Work through it. Figuring it out is the point.
As for magick, you probably have a subconscious or not so subconscious resistance to it. Meditate on that feeling of resistance and see what comes to you either during the meditation or afterwards.
Or like duh make magic to sort that out. A sigil, a prayer, anything. Asking the spirit world in the intimacy of your temple si guaranteed to bring you better answers than asking here, actually.

>>3212
I would ask spirits if I could. 1.My senses almost don't exist, so any answer would just flew above me. 2.Most of the times I tried I was brutally vampirised and my vibrations were lowered, down to shamefulness even, by parasitic spirits. 3.Help from spirits is random as fuck. One time I get it, the other time I don't.
I'll try meditating on it though once I will be in the mood for that. Right now I don't have any strenght to fight myself.

>>3214
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiLkudRIqLg
Try keeping your attention waiting for someone to say something. Watch this video and you will understand.

How to step into your own power/start commanding the body using will/strengthen the will? How to not fall back once you have it? What's the mechanism behind this?

>>2419
Since writing this post I have learned the importance of energy cultivation to make this work properly. This all runs on energy.
Refer to this weird dude's video for basic instructions on how to cultivate it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULfB_VWoDEI

>>3222
Guy seems based but it's too late now to learn his stuff, he made almost all of it private and locked it behind a paywall. Anyone got some of it saved and can share? Also what do you guys think of his "entities visiting" video? Are those guys real?

>>3224
I don’t believe that video, which makes me uncomfortable because I like and believe most of what he says about energy work. I try not to judge one video by another because who knows the truth or his motives?
I don’t have any of the material, but I am interested as well.

>>3225
After watching all of his videos I am not interested anymore. He doesn't seem so based after all. Luring in people with free stuff and ridiculous claims (become a god, become immortal etc) while stating over and over again that it's free and will forever be free...and then suddenly removing it and asking 50 bucks a month for it because of completely pathetic reasons is suspicious. And the video with the entities is probably fake as well. He strikes me as just another one of those americans who try to make a profit online. He probably watched some "secret" LOA type "get rich" gurus/coaches and online business salesmen because his sheme is exactly the same and he gives off exactly the same vibe. Just look at how he has had multiple names for his sites and channels...he merely keeps working on his business. It wouldn't surprise me if all his knowledge is just scrambled from all over the place and mixed into something that appears to be good. There are thousands of those guys on the internet.

Woah the site's back up, nice

> Guy seems based but it's too late now to learn his stuff, he made almost all of it private and locked it behind a paywall.
Lol, I guess he never mastered money-gong

>>3197
For a while I'd recommend to master emotional alchemy for this but, man, artificial emotions feel about as good as they sound. The best eay to raise your vibrations is to purify your spirit. The idea isn't to constantly drown out any bad feelings with good feelings but to purify and perfect your spirit like the gods so that there's simply never a reason to be sad or shameful, this also doubles as a magnet for magical knowledge as the purer you get the higher level the magical knowledge divine providence sends your way, infact I tested this by focusing conpletely on just grinding my meditations and mysticism for a while without reading much and after getting alot purer, mastering my sexuality and coming to understand that whole dynamic pretty soundly, losing big attachments like food and >tfw no gf, I basically just stumbled upon a website spilling the entire fourfold Qabbalistic key and many useful formulæ, a guy with adept-tier magical knowledge, an actual adept with ironically less useful knowledge than the non-adept guy but more power and experience, and just all kinds of gud shit, I wouldn't recommend it though cause usually the knowledge is revealed through the books and if you're unworthy you just don't underdtand what you're reading. Phwew, all that to say, practice mysticism, introspect, read mystic-oriented books like The Universal Masterkey and uh.... I dunno whatever else's on morality... this'ns good too:

(if the file doesn't load its Mystical Extra Training For Franz Bardons Initiation Into Hermetics by Ray Del Sole

>>3207
> Someone spoonfeed me on dream-catcher please. I know nothing.
whomst is dream-catcher?

>>3211

> What do I need to do/have to achieve self-sustaining stable meditation and magick practice? Self-sustaining as I don't have to fight with myself to do it.

I did this a while back so I figure my method might work for you, for instance i went from "12 condensations of each element daily" to "invocation and no-mind, 2 hour sessions each daily", I'll be honest it was a bitch though. I gradually raised the amount of time I meditate per sitting and once a certain amount of time was bearable and almost comfy, I'd move up. I guess you could move up in whatever intervals you want but for reference I went up in numbers I thought sounded cool cause it helped motivate me to maintain em and not regress, like 10 minutes, half an hour, an hour, etc. Eventually you just get to the point in willpower where whatever you're doing doesn't seem like work anymore its just, well life, and while it isn't a constant battle directly, it can eventually kinda just make you enjoy life less when your 4 hours of playing roblox turns into 4 hours of sitting and thinking about cold dark water but I mean, godly power requires godly sacrifice, it ain't gonna B easy

>>3230
Thank you
>four hours of thinking about cold dark water
I lol’d

>>3234
>>3233
I can never think of just water without also thinking of something dangerous lurking in it. Everytime I think of large amounts of deep, dark water, or even nondark I think of possible sharks, mermaids, giant killer whales or ctulhu monsters lurking inside and charging to attack helpless me. What the fuck is wrong with me? Why can't I just imagine empty water without any creature inside and not fearing that something will pop out of the darkness and kill me? This only happens with water tho, I can imagine everything else pretty well and controlled. No idea where this comes from. I'm also afraid to go swimming deep into lakes or sea/ocean because of the same shit. There is something extremely scary about the deep.

>>3235
While I tought about this I remembered a dream I had a while back where the same fear manifested. In the dream I was going to the beach with 2 friends and one chick that in the dream I had a crush on and the she took way too long so we other 3 decided to already head to the beach and she would catch up. Now there was some sort of contraption that would bring people down to the beach from where we were, which was pretty high up. A scyscraper or sth. When I got into the machine (it was basically a catapult) it flung me way too far and instead on the beach I landed far out in the ocean and immadiately I started to panic and tought I'm going to die because something will come out of the depths of the water and kill me. But then the girl appeared out of nowhere and she was something like a mermaid now, took me and swam with me back to the beach. I kept whining how fucked I am and how I'm going to die and she kept reassuring me that everything is alright and nothing will happen and that she will bring me to the beach safely. Then, even before we arrived at the beach, I woke up.
Even in dreams the deep torments me. I don't even wanna astral travel anymore after reading in the book of Robert Bruce how he astral traveled and randomly appeared some place underwater and a whale like creature swam past him and looked at him. I'll never astral travel farther away than my hot young female neighbors house, god forbid one goes though a portal and suddenly ends up somewhere underwater with giant creatures there.

>>3235
Have you tried imagining you are one such creature being left alone by the others just because of your sheer size and ferocity? Left alone to meditate on the dark cold waters that are your undisputed domain.

>>3237
No, not until now when you said it. Somehow the tought of being a giant creature myself never crossed my mind before. Still it is very hard to keep my mind from raising the fear that some even bigger creature comes out at me. But I think this is a good oppurtunity to make a practice out of it until I mastered it.

>>3238
The original Starcraft came with a manual that contained lore explaining the origin of the races. The Zerg in particular were a race of engineered parasites. Small worms that occupied bigger and bigger hosts and controlled them from within.
Maybe try that. Be so small no harm can come to you, like a virus.
I think the problem you need to overcome here is body identification. Your body is afraid, but you are not your body and you are not that fear. And certainly not while you are mentally projecting into this scenario! You are fucking eternal.

>>3235
> I can never think of just water without also thinking of something dangerous lurking in it.
Oh that happened to me from time to time, could just be habit, I think its an offshoot of intrusive thoughts. T b h fam I really think the solution to intrusive thoughts might be to just have enough confidence in your spirit to know you can't just accidentally do something that takes a shitload of concentration and energy to do, and for your specific case I guess just practice connecting to just the universal water element alone with no beings until you get it easy. I personally wouldn't go the route of trying to imagine yourself in a way that makes the matter more complicated, just my opinion, but I think that might lead to overconvoluted mental rituals just to get yourself ready to meditate and that's... a hassle really, but even that'd work if you did it right. Like i said I think the common factor here's how confident you are in your spiritual control. Like if you're riding a bike and you're unsure of yourself you're gonna be imagining yourself falling at every corner, except with magic it has this nasty feedback loop since what you imagine "could manifest" and, while intrusive thoughts almost never actually manifest since that's usually not how it works, I understand how that can unease you and I've been there

>>3241
>you can't just accidentally do something that takes a shitload of concentration and energy to do
I've read stories of people who've taken ormus and random thoughts started materializing, like normal magic but always in a matter of minutes or seconds. Scary if you don't have a very strong mental discipline.

>>3243
Lol, ormus isn't that powerful. As far as I know ormus is just small gold in water and i have yet to see anyone fuck themselves up by accidentally thinking jntrusive thoughts into a gold bar's deoth-point

>>3245
*depth-point

>>3245
I don’t remember where I heard the story. It could’ve been All The Gold You Can Eat, but I’m not sure. Regardless of what ormus is, the effects of ingesting it are supposed to be like cultivating hours and hours of energy all at once. So it would make sense that it would cause easier manifestation just like cultivating energy. Like volting out of your ass uncontrollably.

If it is one's goal to reach adepthood should energy work be performed every day like its a work-out routine? Or would experimentation with thoughtforming, rituals, etc be enough do develop your capacity for energy manipulation?

>>3248
>the effects of ingesting it are supposed to be like cultivating hours and hours of energy all at once. So it would make sense that it would cause easier manifestation just like cultivating energy. Like volting out of your ass uncontrollably.
Eh, I highly doubt that. I mean yeah be careful with substances like that unless you know you can control that level of energy, but at the same time, for example the most powerful magical boost from an external material source I've read about was how Tibetan necromancers would eat the flesh of their dead lamas and saints and because these people were already merged with the infinity-principle and were spiritually perfect the effects of eating their flesh was, well, remember when that old woman got all her diseases healed by just touching Jesus' clothes? Well alledgedly the necromancers would temporarily recieve full clairvoyance and have some low-tier magus power like being able to levitate, though the effects would wear off, with that being said I'm sure ormus's alot weaker than that (think mineral kingdom gold vs spiritual kingdom gold), and either way the effects wear off the way all external effects do, you can't rely on em (you probably already know this I'm just saying for general info). The way external magical boosts like powerful alkaloids and flesh from higher beings work is that it's essentially invoking a being's energy on the material level, similar to sex with that being but to a lowrr degree obviously. This can be anything from a perfected magus to a pure and highly concentrated fire-stone, but essentially the idea's that you're temporarily becoming less you and more said magus. Now as to why external boosts're always temporary, really for the same reason it works in the first place, you invoke a more perfected being's energy but, being yourself, the effects of this slowly dwindle as the stackup of an hour long digestion/invocation of an energy looks smaller and smaller compared to the constant invocation of "you" energy for one hour, two hours, three hours, basically God designed magic in a way that some rich faggot like the Rothschilds couldn't become maguses for free by just eating a shitload of electrum powder and raping pure undines, you gotta put in the work. All that to say though, yeah be careful

Got a couple of questions:
1. Anyone got a link to smileys fringe library? Since 8ch is dead I can't access it anymore.
2. How do I get into libgen.io? It always seems to be down. If anyone got a working link or method it would be great.
3.whats the difference between the 2001 and the 1987 version of IIH? I've only ever read the 2001 version. Is the other worthwhile?
4.What books from evola on magic practice can you recommend besides Intro into magic and doctrine of awakening? I love his approach to the topic, it's a direct redpilled "only you and your own power" no bullshit approach, no fucking pacts, other entities, religions etc etc

>>3264
>1
http://web.archive.org/web/20190322165626/https://8ch.net/fringe/library.html
>2
There's multiple domains, there's a list on Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Genesis
>3
Looks like a different translator is all. If you don't understand a section you might look at the other translation and see if it makes sense there.
>4
Don't know much about Evola.

>>3265
Thanks a lot!
I noticed there are much more mega.nz libraries besides the standart one with many different topics. I wonder if anyone on fringe ever bothered to read all of them and find a good one since we only see the same old ones from the standart library being shilled.

I this the only \fring\ still existent?

>>3266
As someone said here: https://mlpol.net/vx/res/98688.html
You could spend the rest of your days reading about magic. The important part is to practice. There is a truth behind most practices that can be only aprehended through experience, as with most things.

>>3271
meguca.org/fringe is still up

>>3271
I guess it is, not including paranormal boards from other chans.

So, i've been checking out IIH lately.

Excuse my retardedness but how am i supposed to tackle all these exercises in a month?

I feel overwhelmed just by looking at all that and finding time to do it. am i supposed to exercise all that every day? how do you wizards do it?

>>3276
Just do them all every day and you will find they are done pretty fast. Also watch less of your braindead netflix or anime garbage and cut down on other stupid usueless activities like fapping and videogames and drinking with mundane idiots and you should be fine.

>>3276
It's not that much. Later steps are more involved, but still this takes less time than pretty much any activity you already engage in for work or pleasure.

>>3277
Could you give me an example of a daily routine for the exercises? How would you fit them all in one day? Specially the mental section

>>3284
I just went and did everything in a row without a break until all was done. However, I didn't do the exercises where I had to write stuff out. I only ever do exercises that require nothing but my own mind and energy. I hate keeping journals or diaries anyway. Some of the excersis are done easily by default anyway. The food one, everytime you eat and drink just bless the food/drink and charge it with energy. The water one, everytime you wash yourself or your hands or take a shower just imagine the cold water washing all negative energy away. You don't need to go out of your way to do those things extra. The other ones shouldn't take up longer than one hour or maybe even only 30 min. Two hours a day max, one in the morning and one in the evening for example isn't really a big deal.

>>3288
In general terms I agree with you. However, there is one exercise I strongly recommend you do. It's the diaries one. It can be done using voice, but you will need someone to listen to you in that case. The key of this exercise is to exteriorise your vices and virtues. This can't be done just by thinking. I won't go into details about this because it could get very long. But the effectivity of this exercise is completely dependent on this and it will often reveal things about yourself you think can't possibly exist but do.
The more resistance you feel to doing this the more you should. At worst you will waste an afternoon, but the consequences of anything passing unnoticed could be catastrophic down the line.

>>3289
>The more resistance you feel to doing this the more you should.
Is that the case with everything in magical practice? What if you everytime end up wasting your energy on the battle with resistance and nothing gets done?

>>3292
>the battle with resistance
The whole point is to stop resisting, shut up and do it. There is no battle. The whole point is to give up what you perceive as the battle. Dare to lose and come out on top.

>>3293
Thanks. I always thought that stopping resisting means not doing anything until you want to do it.

>>3288
I see. That makes more sense to me now. I'll start right away. Thank you lad

Whenever I try to relax my body to get into a trance state my left foot starts twitching rapidly. Does anyone know why this might be happening and how to fix it?

>>3308
Things like that happen sometimes. Just ignore it and continue practicing. If it evolves it will probably reveal its nature to you sooner or later. Don't make a big deal out of it.
For a time after an Ayahuasca ceremony the tendons in my right foot would twitch quite violently at random. I figured some kind of small parasite entity had attached itself to me. It went away after a few months.

Seems like smileys library is kill. Who will make a new improved official fringe library? Smileys wasn't that good anyway. I'm collecting the best material too but atm I only have 10 books.

>>3328
It was working for years until I posted it here. This means Fringe Wizard is monitoring this site. Imteresting.

>>3308
maybe you were bunny in a past life

>>3330

Pardon me while I use the get to channel

>>3333

That's a good earthly manifestation number (:

>>3331

wrong pic

>>3333
I don’t think there’s much merit in GETing on a board where you can post on your own for days...

>>3335
there's little merit in anything, so why not just use it for amusement and potential intention-manifesting?

>>3336
Enjoy the free curse I have given you.

>>3338
You got nothing better to do than give away energy for free?

>>3328
I have swapped the link with my current library. This won't be updated, as it is the books I have at this moment in my personal NAS, where I add and remove as I read and my interests change over time.
If you want to maintain it properly and me to put your link instead we can do that.

Are there any writings on the actual mechanics of how astrology works? It all seems pretty arbitrary to me.

Why there are days where you just can't focus, where your focus is weaker and more susceptible? How to get rid of them/make them more rare? Do they happen to more advanced practicioners?

>>3353
What is your practice like?

>>3353
I've been experimenting with directly invoking concepts or attributes, it's pretty good for situations like this. You need to somehow conceptualize the feeling of 'focus', or an attribute like ambition that is connected to focus. Feel like you're on a plane composed of pure 'focus' and try to use passive imagination to receive other information about what this concept looks like, feels like, sounds like, etc. Making something up won't work, you should be able to do at least a little clairvoyance. Imagine your mind and body merging with this plane, or sucking up the material of this plane. Again the sensations should be passively received. I find its better to start with the mind or soul and move down to the body from that. This technique can also be used as a replacement for the traditional breathing methods of invoking elements if it's effective for you.

What is "awareness" or "consciousness"? Do we ever truly lose awareness such as when sleeping or do we just lose the memories?

Hypothesis: the function of sleep is the invoke the various thoughtforms that are accumulated during the day and integrate them with the subtle bodies, resulting in growth (or regression) of what is manifested as personality or ego.

>>3367
Very interesting. Possibly one of the functions of sleep. Maybe something that happens during the day as well, but less efficiently.

>>3369
>even if the core message seems to be correct. I want to learn more
>Everything I find is degenerated and ruined with unenlightened magic
To me the way you talk seems like you're just looking for stuff that reinforces your preconceived notions and prejudices, and I can tell you right now you will spend the rest of your life chasing your tail and sucking your own cock if you don't learn to acknowledge your ignorance and approach the world more humbly.

But enough patronizing. This is probably right up your alley:
http://theforbiddenreligion.com/gnostic-book.htm

>>3369
Have you read the Corpus Hermeticum?
http://gnosis.org/library/hermet.htm#CH

>>3371
You got me. I didn't pay much attention to your post. Your edgelord attitude blinded me a bit.

I'm still right about you though.

I bet you haven't even read the source texts of Gnosticism, which you claim to love so much: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gnostics.html

And you never will, because you're just an edgelord posing and you wouldn't understand them anyway.

>>3373
Read all of Montalk's material and then get on with the books he recommends. Especially with the ones under "Gnosis".
http://montalk.net/reading
If you have already done this, it's obvious by some of the things you assume in your posts that you can still learn a lot from that material. Get on with it then.

>>3374
>Your edgelord attitude blinded me a bit.
Nothing in his post was anything close to being edgy. Grow some fucking braincells already or off yourself.

>>3376
>getting triggered by other people being called edgy
Found the teenager.
Don't you have anything better to do? Like cursing your dad for taking your xbox away or something like that?

>>3369
>>3373

>>3377
Pointing out that someone is lying is not "getting triggered".

I've noticed that pretty much all guides to creating servitors mention that you should give them a name. How important is this? I always end up forgetting the name whenever I try to give one of my servitors one. Usually when I need to use or charge one I just bring up the feel of their essence and form in my mind.

>>3380
Always follow your intuition. If you mess up, you will learn a valuable lesson. Better than following instructions blindly and realizing afterwards you can't trace whatever mistake was made on your part or theirs.
A name is like a sigil, a pointer or a calling card for a specific energetic signature. Technically it's not required, and neither is a sigil, but keep in mind an energetic signature can slowly morph over time without you noticing and that would be a bad thing.
Maybe you want your thoughtforms to be able to evolve in some respects, but in others you want them rock solid. That's why you make drawings, sigils, names, lore, color correspondences, metal correspondences, etc.
An often overlooked secret is that every single entity described in any grimoire like this, is actually a created thoughtform. Even if the entity's lore states that they created the universe and whatnot, both are true simultaneously. It will function as if it had created the universe, and it is human-created at the same time. Remember that in magick all paradoxes are reconciled. And conflicting instructions are resolved according to what carries more energy behind it. That's why a lot of currents use blood in their workings, because it makes the entities more real.

It's all shaped energy, and the more attributions you make to that energy, the more defined its shape. If you aren't good with names, use shapes, sounds, whatever. Or if you want to go with just the feel of the energy, go with it, but keep in mind the point about morphing over time.

>>3381
>An often overlooked secret is that every single entity described in any grimoire like this, is actually a created thoughtform. Even if the entity's lore states that they created the universe and whatnot, both are true simultaneously. It will function as if it had created the universe, and it is human-created at the same time.
Another way to look at this is that every possible entity, thoughtform and shape of energy exists already in some infinite expanse of energy, and our stories, names, sigils, etc, only call them up, but nothing is created.
In reality, it doesn't matter. There is no difference because both can be true at the same time. But this is getting too philosophical and has little practical application.

Does anyone have a good book about Rosicrucians and their practices?
I've seen people mention them a lot in a positive way, but none talked about what they do.

>>3380
I recently started working with a servitor, but it feels a bit weak.
Even a simple sigil seems to be more effective or I'm just not noticing the servitor's effects.
Then again, maybe I wasn't specific enough with its purpose or aren't sending it out properly.

I think a name is really good so you can differentiate them from one another.
I combine words or their parts from different languages that describe what I want it to do.

Does anyone have that hero's journey song with text to speech voice

>>3385
They are a group with a philosophy, but not a distinct practice of their own. They are Hermetics. Other than the Golden Dawn, Franz Bardon would be what Rosicrucians look like when doing magic, because their focus is on helping others.
http://pansophers.com/trinosophia-golden-dawn-1/

What other sites/communities do you visit for /fringe/ related things? Please share

>>3389
So it's not much different from what I'm working towards already.
Thanks, good to know.

>>3308
That's what Robert Buce refers to cobwebs I think. Its the bi-fold reactions of your body when the physical body, being unused to laying down so long starts to stretch and mold to the new position, and that stretching and unbounding reopens certain energy pathways that then manifest as little stinging points on the skin and ripples of energy going through the body. Essentially energy's finally reaching points of the body that it was too bound up to reach prior. It'll go away eventislly once your body gets accustomed to the long-term sitting or laying

>>3390
Studio Arcanis is great for spirit and higher sphere knowledge. Its a forum dedicated to evocation so you got alotta adepts in there who know their ways around the astral. Special attentiob goes to "Talerman" in my opinion. He wrote a book titled 360 Earthzone spirits which's just great for all kinds of knowledge, but mainly info on teachers in the astral and general knowledge of the astral as a world

>>3367
>Hypothesis: the function of sleep is the invoke the various thoughtforms that are accumulated during the day and integrate them with the subtle bodies, resulting in growth (or regression) of what is manifested as personality or ego.
Nah, if thay were the case you'd be a more or less drastically different person everytime you wake up. Sleep's mostly just you leaving your physical body in the mental body and (usually) going on neat adventures in your own little mental sphere, though sometimes you wander out into the external mental world which has nothing to do with your mind or subconscious. While you're doing this the physical body absorbs vital energy from its surroundings and heals a bit so you're well rested the next day, although the actual energy that keeps you awake and makes you tired in-absence is fire or shen.

>>3343
>Are there any writings on the actual mechanics of how astrology works? It all seems pretty arbitrary to me.
To explain how that works I'd have to explain probably alot more about how the astral and outer space on all planes works, do why not? So to first explain astrology, Outer space is a phenomenon caused by the physical manifestation of akashic space (not as in alien space but as in area space) and when you manifest that physically its strange cause, well its not what you'd expect. So akashic space's very different than physical area-space cause while in the physical you just move and walk to places, akashic space is organized with location being more linked to energetic similarity than actual locational nearness, and each energy manifests as a sphere, an akashic manifestation of an entire dimension in-itself, infact you can see akashic space as a sorta super-dimension where singular-dimensions're floating around like galaxies in a universe. There're literally infinite amounts of spheres each organized next to their neighbors based on energetic similarity, and while we've incarnated on earth, probably the most resonant sphere to you depending on your karma, the next one over is the Moon, and almost completely alien to our entire existence is one of those far off stars or megallanic clouds even. Every celestial body in the night sky is a physical manifestation of an entire dimension and it's energy. Because astral teavel is based on resonation and akashic space, sphere-travel past Saturn is very difficult and only few human wizards ever have the ability to resonate themselves to to spheres that, literally have no influence at all on the earth and energies you'll've never experienced in your entire existence as a a spirit. To clarify, again these spheres are literally all entire dimensions in-themselves, and by that I mean the Moon has a specific energy completely different than earth, and astrally this is an entire dimension with its own unique creatures people and fauna. I haven't been there yet so I don't know exactly what's there but general rule of thumb you know how every animal here kinda feels earthy, not as an absolute but just as a subtle over-arching theme? Well imagine an entire world except that subtle theme is lunar energy, then imagine what that'd manifest to look like and you got a good idea of the lunar sphere. These spheres exist on every plane in their various translations of siad sphere's energy and what id an entire dimension pf beings in the spaceless and fluid astral is a literal giant-ass rock with people on it in the physical. Grey aliens for example live in and on certain spheres in the Gemini areas, of the cosmos (Reticuli, Orion, Rigel), but mostly in as they're primarily astral beings. These spheres influence each other with the natural radiation of their energies based on resonant-proximity and mess with each other accordingly. The moon has an effect on literally every creature's birthing here and even emotions to some extent, whereas Uranus has alnost no effect on us at all, with far off spheres like some random comet having no effect on the earth. Due to their influence, the fact that the outer universe is essentially a bigass rotating clockwork on every plane, and the fact that these spheres all have their own unique energy like different stones and materials, we can predict what's gonna happen during different positions of these celestial bodies, and this's astrology. Remember like attracts like, if you condense earth energy (ground) in an area you'll eventually find gnomes in it and if you condense air you'll eventually find sylphs. Based on the positions and varying influences of the planets, stars, clouds, comets... even how hot it is outside, we can very accurately predict what kinda people'll be born on a certain day, what people will do, and what random ideas people will have, along with what spirits'll be present in-general. Sadly modern astrology is absolute dogshit and nobody knows anything so if you're interested in that, just git gud and clairvoyant and figure ot all out yourself through study and observation. All that said, this's the main gist of it all

>>3396
What about tropical astrology (the most used in the west) where the positions of the planets don’t match the real sky and instead use out of phase positions from the middle ages?

Also I know it’s annoying that every time the posts update, the page scrolls down and hides the posting window on mobile. I’m working on it. Please bear with me.

>>3398
>What about tropical astrology (the most used in the west) where the positions of the planets don’t match the real sky and instead use out of phase positions from the middle ages?
Probably bullshit if I'm not mistaken. All magic is based on nature and its fundamental laws

>>3399
Nah don't worry I haven't even noticed if I'm interpreting your post correctly. I just post with that nifty posty thing that follows your screen wherever you go. Ya know this may well be one of the last imageboards, but it might just be my favorite so far, between the subject, the community, the features, and that suuuper aesthetic amber css. Great job buddy

Any tips on remaining aware while my body falls asleep? I'm trying to enter lucid dreams without a lapse in consciousness, which I've been able to do by fluke a few times. I tend to get to the start of the hypnagogic state where you see the moving colour blobs but then I just nod off.

>>3403
Go to sleep, wake up at 4am and do it then

>>3403
Try it at times, in positions and in places you don't usually associate with going to sleep.
For instance, while sitting in a bus stop, a bus, a train… A nap in the middle of the morning.
Sometimes just napping in the afternoon with some noise in the background like children playing, a loud AC, neighbours or TV will do it. Experiment.
I know someone who does this every time he tries to meditate. He can't meditate for shit, but has lucid experiences like it's nothing.

>>3396
So planets in our solar system are typically named after Roman gods, who seem to each represent a particular archetype of the human psyche. Do these gods have any actual relations to the dimensions of the planets themselves?

>>3403
If you haven’t become proficient in mental projection yet, you might want to do so. John Kreiter’s book on OBE is also a good resource to have.

Is it correct to say that all magical techniques are methods of manipulating belief to thereby influence the will, which affects reality?

>>3406
>So planets in our solar system are typically named after Roman gods, who seem to each represent a particular archetype of the human psyche. Do these gods have any actual relations to the dimensions of the planets themselves?
yeah kinda. Usually in the same manner as how you can evoke and "talk" to your dick and it'll speak fluent english. The personfication of energy as whatever form is compatible to you. In a sense Apollo is the sun, just translated similar to how all telepathic messages from beings that've never been closer than astral Pluto all come out as perfect (albeit oddly worded) english

>>3408
>Is it correct to say that all magical techniques are methods of manipulating belief to thereby influence the will, which affects reality?
Absolutely not and this fallacy is just one of many token mental traps of the Kali Yuga. Magic is the manipulation of energy, simply put. An idiot who believes himself to be a genius is simply arrogant, but an idiot who knows how to weild the air element can hook his mind up to the divine intellect of God and become completely omniscient. Its all in power, (purity that allows you to gain more power), practice, and hypertophy

>>3395
So could heavy fire invocation be used to replace sleep entirely?

>>3411
>So could heavy fire invocation be used to replace sleep entirely?
in theory yeah, and I've gone a few days without sleep and fire definitely keeps ya going. But like with all "superhuman" feats it's kinda hard to keep up unless you're particularly good with fire. I think the real difficulty's actually mustering up the willpower to condense fire for an hour when you're drop-dead tired though if you ask me. When I tried it I found I'd have to rechatge every few hours or so depending on how long I invoked it and, actually laying down and charging up without falling asleeps hard cause your body just doesn't really seem to understand you can actually unsleepify yourself through what it usually considers hard work and often you get right up to before starting your invocation before subconsciously writing it off as "too much work, too tired", though if you power through you'll get the weird feeling of getting less tired from doing more work so, heh yeah its fun to test out

I put "superhuman" in quotes cause nothing's really superhuman in-general. Magic's completely normal in higher planes and in the highest regions like The Garden of Eden they'd look at us and think "what the hell, how could spirits made in god's image not be able to just casually levitate?"

>>3339

Not sure if I noticed it or not.

What's a good way to motivate oneself?

>>3419
Disassociate from your ego and control your body though you were an external force.