Reality ☻ 03/27/13 (Wed) 19:47:29 No.610:
There is a considerable difference between subscribed beliefs, approximate beliefs, and actual subconscious belief.
Subscribed belief is just saying or espousing a belief which is not held deeply and may conflict with what is actually felt. This is most apparent in people who go join a church or something and say they are x adherent of religion without really understanding or believing it. They may contradict their subscribed beliefs easily and not even know them to the full extent. Subscribed beliefs are just thinks people say they believe basically.
Approximate beliefs are well examined and seem the most true to a person. They are fully fleshed out and understood but are limited due to a disconnection with things / not being able to taken into account all variables / limited knowledge and experience, etc. These are what people consciously believe. They may say that they believe this thing or they may deny it for some reason or keep quiet about it too. Approximate belief is basically a "best guess" at something or "what seems most probable considering the facts I know".
Subconscious belief is what you actually believe to the fullest and deepest extent. It is fully understood and all encompassing and forms the basis of the reality you experience. It is very hard to examine subconscious belief and can only be interacted with indirectly most of the time. It is also very hard to change, it has certain constructs embedded deeply into it, and they are very complex. Maybe things like gravity, time, etc. is embedded here.
Only through changing subconscious belief can you change reality itself HOWEVER then it conflicts with others. Wherever there is interaction or overlap between the conscious realms of entities there must be agreement or one will overwrite the other. To change reality itself you must get out of their focus as much as possible and then overpower what you can't escape. This is VERY HARD TO DO and pretty much shifts you out of the same timeline/plane/whatever as you were previously on and puts you on another. It creates splits in reality, sometimes extremely subtle, and in perhaps some rare cases very extreme.
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milo!CFJsAXJGfk 03/27/13 (Wed) 20:09:33 No.611>>612:
>Only through changing subconscious belief can you change reality itself HOWEVER then it conflicts with others. Wherever there is interaction or overlap between the conscious realms of entities there must be agreement or one will overwrite the other. To change reality itself you must get out of their focus as much as possible and then overpower what you can't escape. This is VERY HARD TO DO and pretty much shifts you out of the same timeline/plane/whatever as you were previously on and puts you on another. It creates splits in reality, sometimes extremely subtle, and in perhaps some rare cases very extreme.Mostly true, if a little negative, from a psychological standpoint.
Not really true from a metaphysical standpoint. Putting the determinism debate aside, you change reality with every breath that you take. You don't have to look at reality in a dualistic way, as something outside of you, but neither should you view it as something contingent solely upon your mental makeup. Unless you're a solipsist or follower of Berkeley. :-)
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☻ 03/27/13 (Wed) 20:57:23 No.612>>615:
>>611This is my reply to the guy in the dream journal thread but he isn't responding I guess.
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Anonymous 03/27/13 (Wed) 21:10:40 No.615>>621>>622:
>>612There is nothing to say to you
You're generalizing beliefs in a way like Freud generalizing the consciousness, it's fluff to help you understand it directed toward your end goal, which the completely unsubstantiated notion that our thoughts create reality
With the last paragraph you're literally trying to rationalize the most effective way to be insane
A schizo can fully believe with every ounce of himself, that he is jesus
It doesn't change a god damn thing
There's no easy way out, smiley
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Anonymous 03/27/13 (Wed) 21:27:53 No.618:
I found a way to connect both of our theories
Read my post in the existence is a myth thread then read
It's possible to completely control our reality at this very moment, but there is an objective reality
The only way to control that would be to be the god of it
From there, in theory it would be just like subjective reality selection. Except it would be objective
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☻ 03/27/13 (Wed) 22:29:21 No.621:
>>615What does it mean to be Jesus?
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Anonymous 03/27/13 (Wed) 22:34:40 No.622>>627:
>>615you seem to possess the objectivity required to rule out the ideas of those gifted with mental spectrum outside of the norm. please inform how you came across this endlessly sought after artifact
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☻ 03/27/13 (Wed) 23:00:12 No.623>>627:
Our thoughts don't create reality. They are reality.
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Anonymous 03/27/13 (Wed) 23:21:24 No.624>>625:
Smiley, I kept trying to post a new link to a site but I think it is banned here?
3rd attempt:
dedroidify.com
It is a bit like montalk.
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Anonymous 03/27/13 (Wed) 23:23:04 No.625>>628:
>>624Yay, it posted. I guess I'm just disallowed from making new threads here.
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Anonymous 03/27/13 (Wed) 23:29:45 No.627>>632>>637:
>>622I can't tell if you're being sarcastic
>>623There's a difference between an objective, relative and subjective reality
The only way this would be true is if your used relative logic to become god, gaining an objective perspective
I can explain the blueprints of it, but you wont really get it unless you ask
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milo!CFJsAXJGfk 03/27/13 (Wed) 23:31:05 No.628:
>>625
>I guess I'm just disallowed from making new threads here.There's nothing on our end here. If you're having any particular problems with the site, let us know in /meta/ or IRC.
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Anonymous 03/28/13 (Thu) 00:52:05 No.632>>634:
>>627i sense where you're going with this, but sense is too loose a foundation
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Anonymous 03/28/13 (Thu) 04:18:13 No.634>>638:
>>632There are two realities
Objective: the outside perspective of reality
And the relative: reality as it applies to a single perspective
The relative reality tells you that, since you only experience from your experience, it's the only one that matters. It basically leads to, like I've said ad infinitum: gaining power
You are your mind (your mind is consciousness and will is the byproduct of consciousness), when the world and the people in it conform with your will, they can literally be said to become you
This would end in having a perspective that encompasses everything, ie an objective perspective. The perspective of god
Just like you can do subjective (ie in your mind)reality selection now, you'd theoretically be able to do objective reality selection then
Something else interesting, but not necessary to read:
Like a relative reality equates being "selfish", an objective reality equates looking out for the greater good/the good of all. But at the same time the mind of the objective perspective, which consists of all minds, would be considered insane. For One to make all minds conform to a greater mind would be nothing short of holy. This is another point where the relative meets the objective. There are more
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Anonymous 03/28/13 (Thu) 04:21:35 No.635>>639:
There's so much more to say, and different ways to explain it
So if you have any questions or whatever, feel free to ask
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Anonymous 03/28/13 (Thu) 05:43:09 No.637>>641:
>>627Whatever the "objective reality" is we do not experience it directly. We only experience the subjective reality. Only the subjective reality as such seems to matter then. The objective reality is beyond our reach.
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Anonymous 03/28/13 (Thu) 05:49:59 No.638>>641:
>>634I think that's pointless. Yeah, you become God, but you certainly haven't replaced God, just gained the perspective of God. You change nothing in becoming God. God is simply too all encompassing to matter. God is irrelevant. You can not change anything when you become the whole and your perspective is that of the whole. You must have a perspective which is limited if you are to change anything.
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Anonymous 03/28/13 (Thu) 05:54:12 No.639>>641:
>>635Why do you have goals set upon becoming God instead of just carving out your own little bubble in this reality? Why do you think we were created/generated as individualized entities to begin with?
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Anonymous 03/28/13 (Thu) 06:19:12 No.641>>651>>660:
>>637The point is to get yourself to a relative reality first
>>638God is unconscious
The point is to give him consciousness through yourself, if you can
>>639Because that's the point of life, nature is driven by the necessity to become more powerful and conscious
More godlike
The likelihood of achieving godhood is minimal but I still have to attempt it
Achieving relative reality (they call this Godhead) is a huge accomplishment in and of itself
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Anonymous 03/28/13 (Thu) 22:41:00 No.651>>656:
>>641Nature is driven by the need to evolve, to become pure and perfect itself perpetually
If you define evolution as your "God" then i'm fine with your statement, otherwise it's just judeo-christian nonsense
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Anonymous 03/29/13 (Fri) 00:26:27 No.656>>661:
>>651You obviously haven't read anything I've written
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Anonymous 03/29/13 (Fri) 03:01:42 No.660>>662:
>>641>Because that's the point of life, nature is driven by the necessity to become more powerful and conscious>More godlikeNature seems to achieve equilibrium and for each species to find its niche in its environment though. Only humans seem to destabilize this equilibrium and go beyond it. Evolution should create harmony right? Are we like viruses or something more?
>The likelihood of achieving godhood is minimal but I still have to attempt itUnderstood. I wonder if there'll be a desynchronization if you do this though. You might end up achieving your goal in your own timeline and at least from your perspective becoming God but maybe from anothers, such as myself, that won't be apparent.
>Achieving relative reality (they call this Godhead) is a huge accomplishment in and of itselfI guess relative reality is a good goal then. What exactly is relative reality though? Is this where you construct reality yourself?
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Anonymous 03/29/13 (Fri) 03:02:43 No.661:
>>656He's butthurt about what terms are used.
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Anonymous 03/29/13 (Fri) 04:48:55 No.662>>664>>665:
>>660You bring up a good point about humans destabilizing things
First of all: who really knows how much we've fucked our environment, how much of what they tell us is alarmist bs?
And second, a lot of the waste is created by this current system. If the human race were united, capitalism would no longer hold back progress
Solar energy and such would be a reality by now
>from your perspective becoming God but maybe from anothers, such as myself, that won't be apparent.Then that would make me insane?
Maybe didn't get what I meant by god
>I guess relative reality is a good goal then. What exactly is relative reality though? Is this where you construct reality yourself?Again… you're just not getting it
Read
>And the relative: reality as it applies to a single perspectiveSo first there is science, and then there is technology
Technology is applied science
I've explained this already but, you only experience from one experience
What is good for that experience is good. What is bad for that experience is bad
Like I said already, this results in one making himself more powerful, which, if he does it right, ends in one becoming god
This is about as simple as it gets
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Anonymous 03/29/13 (Fri) 09:21:54 No.664>>680:
>>662>And second, a lot of the waste is created by this current system. If the human race were united, capitalism would no longer hold back progressYeah right. The situation would be more like that of a whole bunch of rabbits rapidly overpopulating, growing sick, and dying off in massive number. The NWO is holding us back, uniting "the human race" is destroying it.
>Solar energy and such would be a reality by nowWhy? We'd just be burdened with so many muds civilization would collapse.
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Anonymous 03/29/13 (Fri) 09:31:19 No.665>>680:
>>662>Then that would make me insane?>Maybe didn't get what I meant by godNo. What I am talking about is MWI or MMI. We don't all live in the same reality for anymore than one instance. This is why other people can die but from your own perspective you're immortal. It's some quantum shit and nothing about you being insane. Reality itself is "insane".
>Again… you're just not getting it>ReadI did read.
>So first there is science, and then there is technology>Technology is applied science
>I've explained this already but, you only experience from one experience>What is good for that experience is good. What is bad for that experience is bad
>Like I said already, this results in one making himself more powerful, which, if he >does it right, ends in one becoming god
>This is about as simple as it gets…one big non-statement based in purely straight-forward logic. Do you think existence is logical?
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crack 03/29/13 (Fri) 17:04:34 No.680:
>>664I'm not sure you know what united means
When I say something, try to see how it's right so I don't need to tell you
Does united mean equal? Would a united people let themselves become overpopulated?
>>665God damn you are a fucking idiot
Schrodinger's cat does not work in fucking reality, something can be anything (from a perspective's point of view), but not everything
And, in actuality, outside of perspective, it is 1 definite thing
Quantum physics is half a fucking theory, if you studied it whatsoever, you'd know this
To us, the chemical has a 50% chance of becoming radioactive because we can't determine the exact location and velocity of particles, but even though we can't determine it, each particle has a definite location and velocity
The world exists outside of your mind, there is a reason why the world is becoming less and less chaotic as time passes. We are discovering more and more the reality that we live in
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