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No.4629
cool finally someone else using the term western buddhism.

No.4630
interesting so far

just kind of skimming through it

I wasn't sure what to expect but seems like a worthy read so far.

No.4631
this is starting to sound like whinning.

Western buddhism is very different from traditional buddhism.

It came about much later and in a very different time and place.

No.4632>>4633
>I am writing a tantric Buddhist vampire romance novel,

this guy is kind of lame really. Most western buddhists probably don't consider tantric and tibetan buddhism real buddhism. Most seem interested in Theravaden, that other one and zen buddhism.

This whole thing of death that he is talking about probably has it's origins with post vedic hinduism. Lord Shiva was said to meditate at cremation grounds. This could be due to the interaction of buddhism with hinduism, but I don't know of any reason to believe this is buddhist in origin and not "hindu", but I have never researched it or seen it argued over.

No.4633>>4636
>>4632
>post vedic

From what I understand, Lord Shiva is mentioned in the Agamas, which are pre-vedic. Either way, it would not be hard to believe these systems influenced eachother.

No.4636
>>4633
Yeah, he seems to be pre vedic, haven't heard of the Agamas, but he rose to prominence much later. I'm assuming in what is considered the post vedic period. I wonder if the stuff about him meditating at cremation grounds came later. Studying hinduism from a western perspective is tricky since a lot of what you are reading is translations and speculation by westerners. I've read a lot of contrary inconsistent stuff. I'd actually like to go to india to study some of these things.

The term hinduism itself is dubious.

No.4639>>4640>>4643
>Preferably, you should go to a charnel ground, where corpses are dumped to rot or be eaten by wild animals. Examine the bodies closely, in these various stages of decomposition. If you can’t get to a charnel ground, high-resolution photographs are the next best thing.

>Finding your own body disgusting cuts your attachment to worldly existence. And, if you don’t like having a body, you won’t get stuck in one next time. Horror of death motivates you to practice, abandoning all other concern. Here’s the Visuddhi Magga, another key text:


> A monk who is constantly mindful of death will be diligent. He is disenchanted with all forms of existence. He has conquered attachment to life… The perception of impermanence grows in him, followed by the perceptions of suffering and non-self [the Three Marks of Existence]… The monk dies fearless, without delusion. If he does not attain Nirvana at that time, then he is at least assured of a happy rebirth in heaven for the next lifetime.


>Corpse practice is also considered one of the best antidotes to sexual desire. Theravada sees that as the foremost obstacle to spiritual progress.


FUCK YES. Wizardchan and /edgy/ poster here. I am clearly well upon the path to FINALLY escaping the cycle of reincarnation. I consider my own body disgusting and don't want one. I think every day about death and in great detail. I have spent a great deal of time looking at gore, absolutely enthralled with it, seeing all sorts of gore until I feel nothing for it. I haven't the motivation to do pretty much anything and I just sit around meditating a lot sometimes for many hours on end not even caring if I dehydrate to death sometimes. Regarding the perception of suffering, I don't feel pain, and this whole world just becomes numb to me. At times I feel I can die without any fear at all.

Doesn't this mean also that most of wizardchan's posters are on track for enlightenment though?

No.4640
>>4639
>If you can manage to see women’s bodies as rotting sacks full of loathsome substances, your lust will lessen. [Meditators are generally assumed to be heterosexual males.] A closely related vipassana technique is called “reflection on repulsiveness,” also recommended in the Satipatthana Sutta. You contemplate each of the parts of the body in turn, concentrating on their disgusting qualities.

Done this!

>The #2 attachment is enjoyment of food. To counteract that, you practice contemplation of food’s inherent loathsomeness. This is one in the short list of standard meditations recommended by the Visuddhi Magga. It doesn’t seem to be hugely popular among Western Buddhists, however.


I don't even want to eat and I've made threads about this. I hate food. I want to achieve Inedia, to not have to eat. It's such a repetitive and annoying thing.

>In both cases, inherent disgustingness is key to the meditation. You view physical reality as truly, necessarily, inevitably, irreparably disgusting. Disgust is the correct response; feeling attraction is a terrible error.


…and this is the most extreme feel I have EVERY DAY. I hate the material world. I hate the demiurge. I never want to come back to this world. The only thing that at times has made me think I'd want to come back is to free others from this shithole. Mostly though, I just want to leave.

No.4641>>4642
Hey anon that questioned me before about why I "hate" mindfulness meditation.

This article on the site here explains it: http://meaningness.wordpress.com/2011/07/12/what-got-left-out-of-%E2%80%9Cmeditation%E2%80%9D/

There's a lot of other forms of meditation besides that variant which I personally use and love.

I'm the guy who meditates non-stop for hours or days btw.

No.4642>>4644
>>4641
Also to be clear as to why I have "hate" in quotes, it's because I don't hate it, it's just not the only thing you can be doing and there's a lot of other methods of meditation that are cool and worthwhile.

No.4643>>4645>>4667
>>4639
>Doesn't this mean also that most of wizardchan's posters are on track for enlightenment though?

I personally think the term enlightenment in the buddhist sense is a bit dubious.

Wizardchan users may be a bit more in tune with reality. Or at least more able to fathom unconventional thoughts and ideas.

Why don't you both just an hero? What reason do you have to believe in reincarnation?

No.4644>>4669
>>4642
Give us some examples/links of techniques you advise?

No.4645>>4646>>4670
>>4643
>implying Nazi Wizards who have a full zombie apocalyspe survival kit with a survival base protected in all means from anything including aliens, plus a huge farm are in touch with reality

No.4646>>4647
>>4645
And what kind of wizard are you? What makes you think these two posters (probably you) are nazi wizards?

No.4647
>>4646
Dude this whole chancis dedicated to survival, Nazism, magic, suicide, and weird shit. I take it most users here lurk every board and take everything to heart.

I wouldn't call myself a magician. I'm a mix of a yogi and a chaoete.

No.4648
http://approachingaro.org/a-dzogchen-shaped-hole-in-the-culture

This site and the OP's site are absolutely wonderful. I am going to add these to the sticky.

No.4657>>4658
13. http://approachingaro.org/
14. http://meaningness.wordpress.com/

^ the above have been added to the sticky as they are clearly worthy sites

No.4658>>4659>>4660
>>4657
you must be a fag like the guy that wrote this wordpress

No.4659>>4661
>>4658
Why so mad?

No.4660
>>4658
Wow rude

No.4661>>4662
>>4659
this wordpress is stupid

No.4662>>4665
>>4661
#deal #with #it

No.4663>>4664
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>you will never meditate upon a corpse

;_;

No.4664>>4673
>>4663
Dude what the fuck? Why would you?

No.4665>>4666
>>4662
sorry, I just thought this chan could be better than that. I guess I was wrong.

The server that powers this website should use free energy.

No.4666>>4668>>4679
>>4665
check these dubs

No.4667>>4671
>>4643
>I personally think the term enlightenment in the buddhist sense is a bit dubious.

Well I'm not chasing after enlightenment. In some ways the idea of enlightenment actually seems frightening to me. It just seems like something which is naturally coming for me as a result of the way I live my life and my approach to reality and especially my tendency to explore a line of thought and create a persona and then believe it all. I think the result of being an agnostic atheist theist … and shifting around my perceptions so damned much with every religion and philosophy is a very higher understanding of reality.

>Wizardchan users may be a bit more in tune with reality. Or at least more able to fathom unconventional thoughts and ideas.


Perhaps.

>Why don't you both just an hero? What reason do you have to believe in reincarnation?


I believe very strongly in reincarnation and won't an hero because I don't want to reincarnate again. There are many stories, much evidence, as well as understandings in science that support it.

Reality is really complex. It seems to have room for everything to fit in together. Not sure if I want to explain it all to you in this thread though.

No.4668>>4672
>>4666
nice one faggot

No.4669>>4672
>>4644
>Give us some examples/links of techniques you advise?

Ok deity meditation, walking meditation, meditating upon chakra points, tummo meditation, void meditation, and meditating upon various thoughtforms are a few examples I use personally.

There are many ways to meditate and meditation can be undertaken simultaneously with every kind of action you can think of really.

There is no one position to meditate in either.

An especially skilled master in meditation could meditate constantly and never break his meditation. He would reach a higher state of mind which he never falls out of it.

No.4670
>>4645
Someone is jealous lel.

No.4671>>4683
>>4667
>especially my tendency to explore a line of thought and create a persona and then believe it all.

that doesn't really sound like buddhist enlightenment in any way shape or form.

And again, the term is dubious in my opinion.

>I believe very strongly in reincarnation and won't an hero because I don't want to reincarnate again. There are many stories, much evidence, as well as understandings in science that support it.


I don't think so. Hard to say for sure. There seems to be a strong case for death being the end of our concious experience. Frankly heathans seemed to have been close to this line of thought. As well as not believing in a creator god. So the theist atheist debate is a bit different in that regard.

>Reality is really complex. It seems to have room for everything to fit in together.


not really. I haven't seen any reason to believe that contrary truths can both be true. This sounds like jewish bullshit.

>Not sure if I want to explain it all to you in this thread though.


I'm guessing it would be a lot of tldr that doesn't really address the main points and has a lot of vagueness and ambiguity.

No.4672
>>4668
thx bby

>>4669
2deep4me

No.4673>>4674
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>>4664
>Dude what the fuck? Why would you?

A lot of reasons.

For years & years I've wanted to do this.

I have wanted to cover myself in the blood of another person and just wear it all over me, to look at a corpse disintegrate in front of me, etc. it's just something I've always wanted to do and I also have wanted to examine a recently killed individual very closely and observe any paranormal phenomena related to it.

See if I can contact their spirit or see them in disincarnate form (as a ghost).

See also maybe if I could revive them.

…and I want to steal their etheric (life) energy and have their knowledge absorbed into my being.

I'd want to take the skull and keep it around as a constant reminder of death.

I guess this makes me pretty Aghori-tier.

No.4674>>4685
>>4673
You are fucking insane

No.4675>>4677>>4689
so what gods do you reincarnation fags believe in? Vishnu? Jesus? Or do you just believe in what you want to believe in?

No.4677>>4680
>>4675
Vishudi-B, the god of Doritos, possesion, sex, and P90x workout.

No.4679>>4682
>>4666
Holy shit nice trips bro.

No.4680
>>4677
Vishnu is a cool god, stop being a faggot. I'm being serious, but seems there is nothing but faggots.

No.4682
>>4679
thx bby

No.4683>>4690
>>4671
>that doesn't really sound like buddhist enlightenment in any way shape or form.

No but it's possibly a way to it. It doesn't bother me if it is or is not. It's just the realizing of the unreality of things as well as the reality of them which has it has lead me to.

>And again, the term is dubious in my opinion.


Ok.

>I don't think so. Hard to say for sure. There seems to be a strong case for death being the end of our concious experience. Frankly heathans seemed to have been close to this line of thought. As well as not believing in a creator god. So the theist atheist debate is a bit different in that regard.


I believe in the hermetic god (The All), as well as lesser gods, as well as the idea we all carry the divine spark within us, and that we create and that also all things are uncreated.

>not really. I haven't seen any reason to believe that contrary truths can both be true. This sounds like jewish bullshit.


"The half-wise, recognizing the comparative unreality of the Universe, imagine that they may defy its Laws — such are vain and presumptuous fools, and they are broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements by reason of their folly. The truly wise, knowing the nature of the Universe, use Law against laws; the higher against the lower; and by the Art of Alchemy transmute that which is undesirable into that which is worthy, and thus triumph. Mastery consists not in abnormal dreams, visions and fantastic imaginings or living, but in using the higher forces against the lower — escaping the pains of the lower planes by vibrating on the higher. Transmutation, not presumptuous denial, is the weapon of the Master." — The Kybalion.

http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php?chapter=VI

>Not sure if I want to explain it all to you in this thread though.


>I'm guessing it would be a lot of tldr that doesn't really address the main points and has a lot of vagueness and ambiguity.


It's a lot of shit to cover and and I might as well just make another thread for it one day.

No.4685>>4686
>>4674
Better insane than mundane.

No.4686>>4692
>>4685
Better sane than anything.

No.4689>>4691>>4693
>>4675
>so what gods do you reincarnation fags believe in?

"The Hermetic Teachings are to the effect that THE ALL is Imminent in ("remaining within; inherent; abiding within") its Universe, and in every part, particle, unit, or combination, within the Universe. This statement is usually illustrated by the Teachers by a reference to the Principle of Correspondence. The Teacher instructs the student to form a Mental Image of something, a person, an idea, something having a mental form, the favorite example being that of the author or dramatist forming an idea of his characters; or a painter or sculptor forming an image of an ideal that be wishes to express by his art. In each case, the student will find that while the image has its existence, and being, solely within his own mind, yet he, the student, author, dramatist, painter, or sculptor, is, in a sense, immanent in; remaining within; or abiding within, the mental image also. In other words, the entire virtue, life, spirit, of reality in the mental image is derived from the "immanent mind" of the thinker. Consider this for a moment, until the idea is grasped."

http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php?chapter=VII

…and…

"On the Seven Minor Planes of the Great Spiritual Plane exist Beings of whom we may speak as Angels; Archangels; Demi-Gods. On the lower Minor Planes dwell those great souls whom we call Masters and Adepts. Above them come the Great Hierarchies of the Angelic Posts, unthinkable to man; and above those come those who may without irreverence be called "The Gods," so high in the scale of Being are they, their being, intelligence and power being akin to those attributed by the races of men to their conceptions of Deity. These Beings are beyond even the highest flights of the human imagination, the word "Divine" being the only one applicable to them. Many of these Beings, as well as the Angelic Host, take the greatest interest in the affairs of the Universe and play an important part in its affairs. These Unseen Divinities and Angelic Helpers extend their influence freely and powerfully, in the process of Evolution, and Cosmic Progress. Their occasional intervention and assistance in human affairs have led to the many legends, beliefs, religions and traditions of the race, past and present. They have super-imposed their knowledge and power upon the world, again and again, all under the Law of THE ALL, of course."

http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php?chapter=VIII

>Vishnu? Jesus? Or do you just believe in what you want to believe in?


The ultimate god is The All. There are deities also who are worthy of the name that are less than The All. The spark of divinity also is within every man and every thing. Spirit will rise higher and higher through many planes of being until it achieves unity with God at the 7th density.

"Seventh Density(7D) is “unity with the Creator” and the total dissolution of individual existence, though not through annihilation of consciousness but achievement of infinite consciousness that permeates all life and all existence."

http://montalk.net/about/212/glossary#density

No.4690
>>4683
>No but it's possibly a way to it. It doesn't bother me if it is or is not. It's just the realizing of the unreality of things as well as the reality of them which has it has lead me to.

ok, I can respect that I guess.

>I believe in the hermetic god (The All), as well as lesser gods, as well as the idea we all carry the divine spark within us, and that we create and that also all things are uncreated.


well I'm some kind of Wotanist. Don't really want to go into the details. Not to sound like a special snowflake, but my paganism is a bit different from other non jewish neo pagans. Hermeticism doesn't really appeal to me. I'll look into it I suppose, but I'm not expecting much.

>"The half-wise, recognizing the comparative unreality of the Universe, imagine that they may defy its Laws — such are vain and presumptuous fools, and they are broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements by reason of their folly. The truly wise, knowing the nature of the Universe, use Law against laws; the higher against the lower; and by the Art of Alchemy transmute that which is undesirable into that which is worthy, and thus triumph. Mastery consists not in abnormal dreams, visions and fantastic imaginings or living, but in using the higher forces against the lower — escaping the pains of the lower planes by vibrating on the higher. Transmutation, not presumptuous denial, is the weapon of the Master." — The Kybalion.


that sounds like a whole lot of nothing in regards to the post it was responding to

>It's a lot of shit to cover and and I might as well just make another thread for it one day.


so what gods do you believe in? Why don't you accept abrahamic monotheism? Do you believe in Omon Ra? Vishnu? Yaweh? All of the above? None of the above?

No.4691>>4694
>>4689
You are almost as worse as a christfag, why does Mr. Crowley hate Christianity when he is obviously based off of Christian Mysticism in Thelema?

No.4692
>>4686
So how is all that fear and suffering and inferiority and sheeple mentality then treating you? Are you content and will you stay content? The dissolution of your body is creeping up on you.

No.4693>>4696
>>4689
>Not being a Wotanist

>2012


lets just spread our forces thinner shall we?

No.4694>>4695
>>4691
>You are almost as worse as a christfag,

What?

>why does Mr. Crowley hate Christianity when he is obviously based off of Christian Mysticism in Thelema?


I am not a Thelemite, I'm a Hermeticist, and I don't like Crowley.

No.4695>>4697
>>4694
Thelema is Hermeticism, right?

No.4696>>4701
>>4693
>All-Father
>All
>The All

Hermeticism is the purer and more clear doctrine whose truths are only diluted in all other religions.

No.4697>>4698
>>4695
>Thelema is Hermeticism, right?

Absolutely not.

No.4698>>4706
>>4697
I could've swore everything I read on him and Thelema is Hermeticism

No.4701>>4709
>>4696
maybe it's the other way around.

Anyway, I know next to nothing about hermiticsm, but what I'm reading on the chans is certainly not impressing me. Seems like people that are just drawing people away from our all ready small numbers of odinists.

No.4706>>4710
>>4698
No no no! Thelema is faggotry. The only good part of is that it recognizes the will to be of high importance. The rest of the philosophy / religion is garbage.

Hermeticism is a whole lot of other things and not Thelema.

No.4709
>>4701
If you want to be an Odinist and keep the cultural legacy of Odinism alive then good for you but I prefer to stick with Hermeticism because it's useful, concise, and empowering to me. The Kybalion is the master key of occultism and through it many other philosophies can be understood in a clear light. Hermes Trismegistus was right about everything. The closer Odinism is to Hermeticism the more powerful of a religion it will be also.

No.4710>>4720
>>4706
Well I never liked Thelema, but I like Aleister Crowley's philosophy and how preached love is the law and told people they can do whatever they want with their hot bodies. I'm a chaoete, so if I need something from Hermeticisim/Thelema I will be able to do whatever I wanted and if it didn't work, I continue with my work.

No.4720>>4723
>>4710
>Well I never liked Thelema, but I like Aleister Crowley's philosophy and how preached love is the law and told people they can do whatever they want with their hot bodies.

Those are exactly the reasons I hate Thelema. Degeneracy, permissiveness, muh love faggotry that makes the edgy in me boil.

>I'm a chaoete, so if I need something from Hermeticisim/Thelema I will be able to do whatever I wanted and if it didn't work, I continue with my work.


Weren't you calling yourself a chaos magician awhile ago? Chaotee is just one type of chaos magician – a specific type.

No.4723>>4751
>>4720
Chaos Magickian and Chaoete have the same meaning to me, no two Chaos Magickians/Chaoete have the same beliefs, so you can't really say Chaoete is a specific type.

No.4751>>4786
>>4723
>just make it up as you go along

No.4786
>>4751
That's kind of the point

No.5000>>5001
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Four strategies for naturalizing religion

I’ve noticed four strategies for “naturalizing” a religion—for making it compatible with the scientific worldview.

Two strategies get rid of supernatural aspects: ignoring and denying. Two other strategies reinterpret supernatural aspects in natural terms: psychologizing and mythologizing.

My aim is to naturalize Buddhist tantra, but these apply to any religion. The innovators who naturalized Sutrayana (mainstream Buddhism) used all four strategies. All four can be useful for Vajrayana (tantric Buddhism) too.

Interestingly, the first two strategies correspond to the fundamental method of Sutrayana: renunciation, or rejection of harmful stuff. The second two correspond to the fundamental method of Vajrayana: transformation of harmful stuff into helpful stuff. This makes me think reinterpretation strategies may be particularly useful in naturalizing Buddhist tantra.

No.5001>>5002
>>5000
Renunciative strategies for naturalization

Modern Buddhism simply ignores most supernatural parts of traditional Buddhism. Teachers rarely mention the Pali Canon’s discussions of the magical powers attainable through meditation, like walking on water. As long as students don’t know or don’t care about these, it’s mission accomplished.

Most of the supernatural parts of traditional Vajrayana can also just be ignored. For example, some tantric scriptures are full of spells for practical magic, like how to fly on the back of a vampire by drawing a magic symbol on its chest. Probably nothing needs to be said or done about this, because no one is going to ask “can you really do that?”

When a question about the supernatural does come up, it can be denied explicitly. All modern teachers will deny that hell is a cave, inhabited by demons, that you could get to by digging in the ground—although Buddhist scriptures clearly say so.

To naturalize Vajrayana, we might issue a blanket denial of all its supernatural traditions, and reconstruct it without any mention of them. That would be the hardline approach. We’d get a squeaky-clean, sleek, modern religion that way—which many people might like.

Is this possible? From a naturalistic point of view, if Vajrayana practices work, they work naturally. Perhaps they don’t work at all—but I think they do. So I believe a “renunciative” approach, rigorously purifying the religion of all contaminating hints of the supernatural, is possible. In later posts, I’ll sketch how this might work.

This might be the most broadly-accessible presentation for modern Vajrayana. It is not my preferred option.

Some might say removing all mention of the supernatural throws the baby out with the bathwater. I’d say it is more like a stew. If you fish the potatoes out of the pot and wash them off carefully, you’ll have an edible meal—but the potatoes by themselves are not very tasty, and you’ll waste most of the stew’s nutritional value.

No.5002>>5003
>>5001
Psychological transformations

Psychological transformations of Buddhist traditions are common, in both Sutrayana and Vajrayana. For example, Lama Tsultrim Allione’s Feeding Your Demons is a psychological reinterpretation of the tantric chöd practice:

[A] demon might be addiction, self-hatred, perfectionism, anger, jealousy, or anything that is dragging you down, draining your energy. To put it simply, our demons are what we fear… anything that blocks complete inner freedom is a demon.

In general, we can reinterpret tradition’s external, supernatural entities as internal, mental ones. This may have great value for modern people, because we find our selves shattered into fragments that can be hostile and uncommunicative. (That is much less true for people in traditional societies.) We can translate supernatural realms (such as the heavens and hells) into psychological states or ways of being. Supernatural powers and mysterious forces become metaphors for emotional energies.

There’s no obvious reason this should work. Why would concepts and practices concerning imaginary external beings prove useful when applied in an entirely different domain?

Some say it is because the supposed demons were always internal: tradition misunderstood mental phenomena as supernatural ones. Shamanic systems such as Vajrayana were primitive forms of psychotherapy. They developed methods by trial and error that may be powerful and useful, despite their total misunderstanding of what they were up to. I’m somewhat skeptical about this explanation; it’s too tidy.

In any case, it’s more important to know whether these psychological transformations work than why. Many people’s experience—including mine—suggests they do. Still, I’d be happier with stronger evidence than anecdotes.

No.5003>>5004
>>5002
Mythologizing

The fourth naturalization strategy is to declare supernatural parts of Buddhism to be myths: religious fictions. Mythologization is close to my heart, and I believe it has enormous potential. It’s a complex topic, and little understood in modern Buddhism, so I’ll say a bit here, and more in future posts.

Myths are stories about religiously significant events that did not actually happen, usually involving people who did not actually exist. As statements of objective fact, myths are false. That does not mean they are worthless.

Christianity (especially modern Protestantism) is obsessed with the claim that its mythology is actually true—and that’s what makes Christianity special. Westerners unconsciously transfer this silly idea to other religions. Having realized the Christian myths are untrue, they go looking for true ones. This misses the point. Truth and belief are irrelevant for most religion.

Novels, dramas, and paintings are not true, but the best have great aesthetic value. Myths are not true, but the best have great religious value. Religious and aesthetic value are not the same, although the best myths have both. Myths are not mainly entertainment, although they may be that too.

Myths unclog energy by provoking wonder. “Wonder” is the union of passionate interest and open receptivity. I have defined the path of tantra as “unclogging energy by unifying passion and spaciousness”—so you can see why myth is particularly important here!

You do not need to believe in magic to be inspired, moved, and perhaps permanently transformed by The Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. Their creators were both deliberately making modern myths. These fictions are major influences on many people’s spirituality—though not many recognize that.

Still, both have limited religious impact—and not only because they are taken to be mere entertainment. The religious/philosophical ideas their authors used as backgrounds to their stories were limited and muddled.

In following posts, I’ll explain that myths, as stories about people doing things together, are particularly important for tantra—which is about how to do things together. And I’ll explain ritual as the enactment—the doing—of myths, so they are felt in the body.

http://meaningness.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/strategies-for-naturalizing-religion/

No.5004
>>5003
Fuck him for not believing and for wanting to remove the supernatural from religion.

No.5006
What ritual feels like when it works

Vince Horn interviewed me today for the Buddhist Geeks Community. One of the questions he asked was about ritual. My outline has several posts on that topic—but they may be months in the future. So these are some quick thoughts on the value of ritual for contemporary religion.

His question:

This is probably one of the most confusing aspects of Vajrayana Buddhism for many folks, and perhaps also the most confusing aspect of most religions for modern people. You make the assertion that we could have a modern tantra that is ritual-free, but that this probably isn’t a very good idea. What are the redeeming aspects of ritual, and what might modern rituals look & feel like?

Let’s start with the biggest reason we all hate ritual. If you say “ritual,” the word that is most likely to come to mind is “empty.” Mostly, our experience of ritual is that it’s meaningless. It’s boring and stupid. It’s something we’re forced to sit through, even though we’re not enjoying it, and the values it expresses are ones we don’t agree with.

What’s more, it doesn’t seem like anyone involved really believes in what they’re doing. Even the leaders of the ritual are just going through the motions, and it doesn’t mean anything for them either. The only purpose of the whole thing is to enforce institutional continuity and power.

That’s a dead ritual. It’s a zombie ritual, and we should put a bullet in its head.

All of this is true for most Buddhist ritual as well, definitely including traditional tantric rituals, which can be super boring and pointless. In fact, they usually are.

So, basically, if you think of the exact opposite of all this, you have what ritual should be—and can be.

When it’s working, ritual is not in the least boring or stupid. It’s emotionally exciting and intellectually fascinating. It’s intensely meaningful.

In fact, that is what ritual is all about: intensifying, concentrating, and directing meaning. It inspires, it produces ecstatic states of consciousness, it provides purpose, and drives commitment and action.

Ritual connects us to each other, creating communities; it ends alienation. It creates experiences of wonderment, which open us to a wider view. It combines all creative arts in a unified performance, and can be total blast.

Ritual relies on symbolism, and symbolism is culturally specific. That’s one reason rituals don’t have a long shelf life, because culture changes. In fact, Buddhist leaders have always felt free to innovate with ritual even at times when Buddhist doctrine was highly conservative.

However, symbolism also makes rituals difficult to appreciate across different cultures. So this does imply that devising Buddhist rituals that rely on Western symbolism and culture is legitimate and probably necessary.

Luckily, we have immense resources to draw on in the West. Ritual is essentially participatory religious drama, usually with music and costumes and props, so it combines many art forms. And we’ve got all those art forms to draw on, and we could add technologies like computer-generated light shows and EDM bass that weren’t available in the Buddhist tradition. REALLY LOUD MUSIC is consciousness-altering, as any club-goer knows. The Tibetans did the best they could with huge drums and twelve-foot trumpets, but we can still do better.

I think of a spectacular concert as a paradigm for what modern tantric ritual should be like. Or a dramatic protest rally. A successful ritual takes the participants through a defined sequence of emotions that unclog energy by uniting spaciousness and passion.

When you leave a a fantastic concert, you are all pumped up and inspired, but there’s nowhere for that energy to go. When you leave a political rally, there could be a determination to make changes, but spaciousness might be lacking.

So a tantric ritual should avoid both those. It might take a lot of experimentation to get everything working right, and there are some dangers in getting it wrong. Ritual is a loaded bazooka, and you need to be careful which direction you point it. But innovating could also be a lot of fun.

http://meaningness.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/what-ritual-feels-like/

No.7876
Form, emptiness, and non-duality

Form, emptiness, and non-duality are the most important terms in the Buddhist ‘view’. View in Buddhism corresponds approximately to ‘philosophy’ in Western terms. However, Buddhist view is not just a conceptual framework – it must be understood experientially. The ultimate practice of Buddhism is to live the view.

Explanations of Buddhist view are typically abstract, complex, and intellectual. Consequently, emptiness and form need to be understood in as many ways as possible if we are to bring their meaning into our lives. It is helpful to read a variety of explanations – such as can be found in the books on the Aro recommended reading list. It is also useful to contemplate the Heart Sutra (the brief Buddhist text which summarises the view that is central to our philosophy).

However, view is best understood through meditation – and by observing emptiness and form in our everyday lives.

In sitting meditation, we experience emptiness directly as the simultaneous absence of thought and presence of awareness. We experience form as the thought and sensation which arise from the condition of non-thought. We experience non-duality as the nature of Mind in which thought and the absence of thought are no longer mutually exclusive – they have the same taste.

We may experiences flashes of emptiness and non-duality soon after we first learn to meditate. These flashes inspire us to deepen our practice. Significant periods of emptiness generally require a few years of regular practice.

In everyday life, it is possible to begin to observe form, emptiness, and non-duality – immediately. Form, emptiness, and non-duality are aspects of existence:

• Form is the quality of solidity, permanence, separateness, continuity, and definition.
• Emptiness is the quality of insubstantiality, impermanence, indistinctness, discontinuity, and ambiguity.
• Non-duality is the recognition that existence and experience are permeated by the qualities of form and emptiness. These qualities are in constant erratic flux. Our searches either for security (form) or excitement (emptiness) are based on attempts to control that flux.

Having explored the view, we must validate that conceptual understanding in our lives. Unless emptiness and form become evident in our experience of life, the practices of Vajrayana Buddhism can be no more than an exotic hobby.

Habitually, we adhere to form and reject emptiness. We experience the world as having better and worse components. We attempt to collect and consume that which we see as better, and to rid ourselves of that which we take to be worse. We try to manipulate and stabilise our situations using conceptual trial-and-error understandings of cause and effect. This life-strategy intermittently fails due to erratic intrusions of emptiness. Things we thought were objectively desirable prove ambiguous in their desirability. They modulate and mutate in terms of what they mean to us. Undesirable situations and phenomena cannot be entirely eliminated – because they are not separate from us. Often our actions do not have the effects we expect. Just as we think we have everything under control—on the verge of achieving lasting happiness—some unexpected problem arises and wrecks our plans. We experience emptiness as confusion, ambivalence, ambiguity, chaos, termination, insecurity, disarray, loss, disintegration, inexplicable anxiety, loss of direction, and apparent misfortune.

We only fear emptiness because we imagine a characteristic form will be lost – we fear forever. We cling to form as security because form temporarily allows us to pretend that it is not also empty. Dissatisfaction is created by continual bids to secure forms – which subsequently prove to be empty of security. Dissatisfaction is also created by continual bids to dissolve insecurities which subsequently prove indissoluble. It is not possible to find anything other than this. Emptiness and form always define each other – as each other.

Form can be understood as ‘existence’ and emptiness as ‘non-existence’. Emptiness however, is not merely ‘nothing’. Emptiness need not be experienced negatively. Emptiness is the arena in which everything occurs. It is the creative space in which form comes into being. Form can only exist because of emptiness; which is why emptiness is often referred to as ‘the great mother’ or ‘the womb of potentiality’.

Some words which value emptiness positively are: freedom, spontaneity, opportunity, relaxation, serendipity, inspiration, potential, humour, creativity, relief, wonderment, vastness. We must enjoy emptiness if we are to enjoy form. A gracious relationship with form is impossible unless we relate courageously with emptiness – because emptiness and form are non-dual. They are aspects of each other.

This endless non-dual reflection is the limitless dance of Vajrayana Buddhism. Our spiritual practice consists simply of learning to dance with the emptiness and form of phenomena. Vajrayana introduces the one taste of emptiness and form. We develop the ability to actively savour apparently polarised tension, rather than experiencing it in a victim rôle. This apparently polarised tension, after all, is merely created through ongoing attempts to attach to form whilst rejecting emptiness.

We need to observe the way in which we attempt to solidify emptiness. In so doing, we crush our freedom through attempting to impose form on situations where reality is in creative flux. Alternatively—in the disconcerting gaps between contrasting segments of life—we might sense a dimension of being that is independent of circumstances. It is interesting—on finding this space—to allow events to remain undefined a little longer than usual. Settling into uncertainty and feeling its texture – life can disclose itself as emptiness and form: beads on the thread of energy which comprise the nature of experience. We can simply flow with the multiplicity of definitions manifested by reality. We can swim in swirling torrents of form and relax in still pools of emptiness.

This requires that we allow polarities to coexist. We can deliberately entertain experiential and existential paradoxes. We can embrace our impulsiveness and caution, credulity and scepticism, craziness and absolute sanity. Unless we are prepared to feel the texture of these erratically alternating possibilities – the energy of being remains incomprehensible. If we delightedly embrace the possibility of expanding into the fierce totality of each moment—as it arrives—we can know what it is to be alive.

http://arobuddhism.org/community/form-emptiness-and-non-duality.html



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