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Ethics Discussion 04/06/14 (Sun) 00:22:25 No. 5534

I've been reading that Lobsang Rampa book and it talks a lot about ethics and I find myself constantly disagreeing with him.

Why would there be anything wrong with suicide?

Why should a person not accept money for their services and why is money in general regarded as something which holds one back in their spiritual development?

Why does he praise individuals who aren't truly worthy of praise and in fact have fucked up this world a lot?

When it comes to ethics I can't take him seriously. The best thing I think he said was that we have an inherent knowing of when something is right or wrong but other then that I don't like much of what he said.

When he talks of these ethical considerations in what perspective is this anyways?

I don't see how it applies to karma. I think I understand karma well enough and believe it to be a very clear system that essentially is just "cause and effect" or in other words "you reap what you sow". I think some people have a weird idea about karmic debts though that doesn't make sense.

Is ethics controlled by the collective conscious of the species or what? Do we have to obey the majority? Who lays down the ethics?

Another thing that's weird in his books is he says that victims and perpetrators attract each other. In a sense, I can see that might be so, to some degree. However I also feel that not every interaction that takes place in our world is conducive to soul growth. Some things are just horribly evil and create nothing but setbacks and wasted incarnations.

Anyone else here who has also been reading the book tell me what you think please as well as just tell me in general what your views are on these matters.

I really don't believe there is anything inherently wrong with the act of suicide. Why should it be? There are MANY different ways to commit suicide and many ways to frame the matter. Is a person committing suicide when they avoid treatment for a disease, or when they undertake actions they know will ruin their health like eating bad food, or when they seek out trouble and get into conflicts? Can a person really be blamed for kill himself when his vessel is so damaged he can't carry on his work anymore? Lobsang Rampa himself completed the transmigration of the soul and possessed a guy who was suicidal and the suicidal dude went to the astral planes and Lobsang Rampa's original vessel surely perished.

I think there are shameful ways to die for sure and one must die a meaningful death but there is no issue I see in terminating your vessel when it no longer serves you, or it's clear the burden and suffering outweighs the good you can do at some point, or you've been captured and are about to be tortured or killed in some awfully disgraceful manner. There are many scenarios I can imagine where suicide is the most honourable and best solution. I don't like the black and white thinking and overgeneralizations that Lobsang Rampa makes in his books.

I also don't see why I should have to be so poor all the time and why that should be good. I'm poor as fuck. I need SOME money to get by and not die of malnutrition. I don't see why I shouldn't take money if someone wanted to give some to me. Couldn't I at least suggest that if they appreciate my good work they could donate money but that they don't have to? Like fug I don't know, the money thing seems like such a gimmick, when you can do a lot of good with some money. It's not like this society supports people in their spiritual endeavours much either so you have to be self-sustaining and we also can't just go live in the wilderness because all land everywhere is claimed.

Pic related is Lobsang Rampa in meditation robes btw. I really wish I had a meditation robe. They have to never be touched by anyone else though and have a bunch of other things done all correct to isolate yourself from outside influences.

04/06/14 (Sun) 00:26:30 No.5535

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Oh and another thing. See pic related? I am sorry but this generalized rule of ethics doesn't hold up to examination when I consider some of the things I'd like done to myself but that others might not like done to them. Does it really become ethical for me to go around punching people because I'd like to get punched back for example? I think a form of empathy or something to understand the other person's viewpoint perhaps is needed or maybe not – who is to say what matters from the bigger perspective?

How is that we, as he says, experience the "lower vibrations" of certain actions?

04/06/14 (Sun) 00:32:34 No.5536

Everyone of his books is here btw: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/lobsang_rampa.htm

04/06/14 (Sun) 16:27:38 No.5586>>5644

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i think karma has more do with habitual thoughts (aka, are you always thinking bad shit? then your thoughts become dreams and dreams become reality)

of course this all happens within the chaos of others' habitual thoughts too


just my 2 cents though. i havent read any of his book yet, but thanks for the link. ps does he give good techniques, or is it all just recounting his experiences?

also do you astral project?

04/07/14 (Mon) 01:46:28 No.5644

>>5586
>ps does he give good techniques, or is it all just recounting his experiences?

He does and they sound very reasonable to me and he also informs us of the skills we must develop BEFORE we can start to do all those techniques.

>also do you astral project?

Yes I do. I'll probably go back to the astral in a moment, I just got up because too much light and noise and crap.

04/07/14 (Mon) 03:08:53 No.5659>>5661

I have spent quite awhile contemplating ritual sacrifice yesternight.

Is it ok for us to do?

I believe when the animal dies the etheric energy of that animal is going to be dispersed into the environment, to nearby entities, and to other forms of life regardless of whether we collect it up or not so we might as well take it right?

Does the animal need that energy anymore? I don't know.

Then what about sacrificing the soul of some entity such as a human?

Is it ok for us to torture them or to vampirically drain them of massive amounts of their astral energy?

Do we assimilate them and perhaps raise their being or no?

I don't know. It's too complex a matter for me at present really understand in full whether we are helping ourselves or undermining ourselves doing ritual sacrifice or not, what it does to the other entity, etc.

What also of cannibalism? Say we want to eat certain organs of that person to attain their respective powers? Is this ok for us to do?

I don't know.

04/07/14 (Mon) 03:14:32 No.5661

>>5659
A couple other concerns also:

1. Are animals morally relevant? Does a single animal even have a spirit or when dealing with animals should we relate to the animal oversoul then? In other words; killing a single rabbit say is a fine thing for us to do but if we are to offend in some way against the entire species that are rabbits then we have done wrong?
2. Are humans morally relevant? At least from the perspective of higher beings far surpassing us in level of conscious self-development? What does it matter what they do to us?

04/08/14 (Tue) 04:27:15 No.5758

Material success or wealth is neutral in itself, neither good or evil. It becomes evil only when one is attached to it or to amassing it for selfish reasons. It is good when one is not attached to it, and readily use it selflessly to benefit others in need. Wealth should lead to generosity, or it will become a spiritual obstacle. If there is propensity for great generosity for great charity, the richer the merrier!

Shen Shi’an.

Btw, Lobsang echoes this very same sentiment in some of his texts.