I've been reading this text:
http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php?topic=15084.0There's a lot of talk in karma there.
Can anyone explain karma and how it works?
To me it's generally a ruse that someone binds themselves to by believing in it.
However if it's a real force and can be exploited towards positive ends I need to know more.
Is karma real? Why does it exist? How can it be used?
>True to the nature of the magicians of old, Franz Bardon’s living quarters are described as an absolute mess of magical paraphernalia. He had chests full of talismans, shelves full of tinctures and elixirs, and a kitchen which he had entirely transmuted into an alchemy lab. On the walls of his personal studies hung photographic pictures he had taken of elementals, using the technique he described in Initiation into Hermetics. From this storehouse he would draw for all of his medicines and all of his magical operations. It was a veritable vault of arcane knowledge, a magical treasury. In addition to the many interesting things he had for direct magical uses, he is said by his wife in a correspondence with another student to have had a personal library of 960 books at the time of his death. Amongst them were many archaic manuscripts, which no one was quite certain how he acquired.
This is epic.
>It is recounted that he would not return until the early morning hours, and that on many occasions no one was certain whether or not he had slept. Indeed if he did not at least go for days at a time without sleeping, it was suggested by some that he may not have even slept at all beyond short naps every now and then.
hell yeah. sleep deprived master race
>>9744You have two boomerangs, one is white, the other is black. These two boomerangs are "Karma." The black is bad karma and the white is good karma.
Whichever one you throw, it will comeback to you. The harder you throw the longer it takes to come back, but also the harder it hits.
This is explaining that small karmas will be re-payed quick and fast, and more major ones will come back in years all the way up to the next life.
Example: You help someone pickup their dropped stuff and later you will receive something small and good for you.
If you steal money from others through immoral business schemes, you will live out a long happy life with all of that money and then one day will fall into ruin.
Karma is like arcade tickets. The more you have the larger prizes you can redeem. If you go negative, you need to repay your debt (things will be taken from you physically, emotionally, mentally, etc.).
In order of least bad karma to highest:
>1/5 Selling, producing, or redistributing drugs>2/5 Breaking human laws (Uncertain if all, might not include victim-less crimes - but even those have "victims" - Artist is angry at you for downloading song so you might get bad karma), Adultery, Forex market play, being a crook>3/5 Gambling, extortion, Stealing, Forex market play +1>4/5 Harming people through poisoning or harmful venture/legal activity>5/5 Taking another lifeKarma exists as a "cheat-code" or an "easter-egg" to allow those that find them to have an easier time in the game. You rank up good karma and you get good things. It's recommended you chose what prizes you want as now that you know the game won't let you be as is anymore.
>>9763Missed a point.
If you are truly an immoral person in a life before, you will be downgraded in your new life. Maybe to an insect or a downs syndrome child.
I'm not sure if it is a two category point system or a scale. As in I don't know if you can displace all the bad with even more good (scale).
-6 (bad) + +55 (good) = 49 (good)
>>9763Does 4 count as making somebody depressed? I made the girl I love cut herself way back when and have had never ending depression after I stopped hanging out with her, she wasn't even my gf just a friend. I made her cut like 1-2 months and I've been depressed for about half a year. I'm sure this is karma.
maybe these dubs will cheer me up :^)
protip: read through the posts of the OP of that article (Prophecy). Dude is the real deal; lots to be learned from reading what he has to say.
Karma is any action done to benefit yourself or a select group of others.
>>9765That sounds likely. It's a boomerang, whatever you do onto others will be done onto you.
WHAT IF KARMA ACTS LIKE LAW OF ATTRACTION?
AKA IF YOU THINK BAD THOUGHTS, OR DO BAD STUFF, OR SAY BAD STUFF (AKA THE ACTIONS OF 3 GATES) THEN THIS WILL ALL BE STORED IN YOUR ALAYA (STOREHOUSE)CONSCIOUSNESS UNTIL THEY ATTRACT SIMILAR HAPPENINGS (KARMA)
JUST A THOUGHT, sorry for caps
so your karma is not like a seed that eventually sprouts, but a magnet or a mirror that keeps attracting/reflecting?
>>9763does poker count as gambling?
no one forces the fish to play at the table with the sharks…
So when you kill millions of people, you only get the same amount of karma as someone who's only murdered once. Does this go the same with everything else? If not, why?
>>9771What are you doing on /fringe/ mundane?
karma is a pre determined event that dont exist you affirm a pre determined event will happen to some person understant ?
>>9772The acts are cumulative. If you gamble once you lose, lets say, 3 karma. If you gamble twice you lose 6, if you gamble thirty times you lose 90.
If you kill one person you lose 5. If you kill millions of people you lose people * 5.
>>9770Yes, any gambling. Slots, lottery, etc.
The happenings are there to teach you. Follow the rules and you get a reward, disobey and you'll be punished until you learn your lesson.
>>9763So why must doing something good like healing someone cause you to receive bad karma in return? The fuck is up with that?
>>9774I have little clue as to what you're saying. Are you going on about determinism? Everything will happen as it will and you aren't truly changing anything but experiencing the event?
>>9779Healing? Are you referring to the drugs or your own experience?
just suppose hilter kill some people but didnt die karma is establish somenthing to happen is pre determine somenthing
>>9763>>9764Karma is fucking stupid. Nothing could ever make any kind of progress in a karmic universe. I refuse to believe in it.
if you desire from heart you receive not some mundane thing
I've been depressed my whole life, cut myself a lot, suffer immensely, and all for fucking nothing. I don't do anything to others, I prefer to just be alone. I never get rewarded for anything. Karma is bullshit.
>>9786Oh? You are here to learn your lessons and when you've learned them all you move up to the next density.
>>9783I'm sorry, I don't have a clue.
maybe as be determined to what you own condition if you do somenthing this affect i thing but i dont belief in reason and effect is a much exat thing
>>9787Ask (Believe) and you shall recieve.
>>9788It's a lesson for something in this life. Karma from another is most likely. Take the steps to see why you are depressed and change them.
Negative thinking will leave you negative. If you can't do it on your own get some St. John's Wort or get a script for meds if no other option is available.
>>9782>That Bardon suffered on behalf of his patients is well known to those who knew him personally. Lumir Bardon recounts an incident where Franz healed a young girl of Tuberculosis, against his better judgment. In the pursuing weeks, his life became a living hell. He began to be confronted by the karma of the girl manifesting in so many ways, requiring that its debt be paid, that Bardon found himself entirely unable to continue with his workings. In what one could imagine to have been a heartbreaking affair, he eventually went back to the girl and explained to her that he had to give TB back to her. After explaining why, she consented and came down with the illness once more. Bardon was then able to return to his work as usual, without the added obstruction of that particular karmic exchange.What is this bullshit here? Why would one be punished for healing others? Could I be rewarded for killing someone? …
>>9789>Oh? You are here to learn your lessons and when you've learned them all you move up to the next density.That's another thing I reject. There's no fucking learning. This life is absolutely, definitely, not about learning. We are omniscient by default.
i think karma dont exist is a imposed thing
>>9791>It's a lesson for something in this life. Karma from another is most likely. Take the steps to see why you are depressed and change them. I'm depressed because I'm fucking weak, unhealthy, and stuck in third density and life is miserable shit I don't want. It's not a simple matter of finding out why I'm depressed. I'm acutely aware of why I'm depressed. There ain't shit I can do to change it.
I don't want meds, I don't want some stupid fucking drugged up happiness. I am severely spiritually deprived in this life and all I want is one unforgettable experience in this life and then I don't fucking care, I'll offer up my body as a sacrifice, and they can torture me in horrible pain for as long as it takes to "repay le karmic debt" or whatever fucking bullshit.
I'm sick of this, so fucking sick of this.
>>9793This life is not fair, this life is not perfect. Our god/ the source is not a perfect god. He is the god of our world, but not the others.
You are in his home and thus you have to play by his rules if you want to have a good time.
Once ALL (more than just a few lives) your lessons have been passed and completed you go on to the next density. Maybe you end there or maybe you get more lessons, I don't know.
>>9790Ah, I understand know what you are saying.
>>9794I remember reading in the Lobsang Rampa texts that the monks are hypnotized at some point to adhere to some kind of moral system where they have to serve others and they can't do certain things with their powers. So that just confirms it really is an imposed system.
maybe its just for cosmic advance but i dont think is a good thing
>>9795Then change it. I was in the same prediciment as you when I was a teen. I had Lyme and that fucked me over completely. I couldn't stand that my disease was "incurable," so I researched everything about it and found myself a fix.
If there is something wrong with your life, change it. This is tough love, but the only reason you are having a bad time is because of you. If you pass this test, this portion of the karma will be lifted.
>>9796>This life is not fair, this life is not perfect. Our god/ the source is not a perfect god. He is the god of our world, but not the others.The creator / demiurge of this world is NOT the source.
>You are in his home and thus you have to play by his rules if you want to have a good time.I don't want to be in his shitty home or play by his rules.
>Once ALL (more than just a few lives) your lessons have been passed and completed you go on to the next density. Maybe you end there or maybe you get more lessons, I don't know. Bullshit. I transition between the densities sometimes, I just get dragged back into third density, there's no lessons thing. It's just a matter of NOW and breaking out NOW, no thinking that if I keep playing the demiurge's stupid games that I'll eventually be let free. I have to free myself NOW.
>>9792This is something I've never known why happened, but it does. You can't really interfere with other's lessons/ karmas directly, but you can help them and get good karma???
I think it's based on the fact that they may get help, but not skip/pass their lessons solely on another's work. It has to be self and only self.
>>9799Bullshit bullshit bulllllshitttt.
I want to contact a spirit and make a deal.
All I care about is that I have one intensely magical experience and then they can do whatever they want with my body, I don't care.
There's got to be something they want, that I can trade off, or some way I can arrange something with them.
Fuck it, they don't even have to do that, if they were just to kill me and drag me off to a different realm that would be enough. I'm done with this life and all this bullshit, it's not fair that other people have perfectly healthy bodies which they take for granted and do all kinds of stupid shit that should undermine the health of their body and yet they still remain healthy. What kind of bullshit is that? I eat so healthy, I exercise, I do fucking everything to fix my shit and I just get worse. I can't get stronger, I can't get better, I suck, my vessel is garbage and I don't want it.
Someone please just possess me! Take over my body! HAVE IT! I DON'T WANT MY LIFE!!
go to nature in contact to one self and try to live the now in yourself
>>9800You're stuck in the gnostic thinking. Gnostic thinking has its truths, but demiurge-source duality is correct only slightly.
The demi-urge is the ruler of this world. He is our "God." The source is the creator of the other gods/demiurges who reign over different worlds.
If you don't, then do all the bad, reject it all. After enough you will die and be either reformed into another animal or at best your soul will be destroyed and you will be "free."
You don't understand, you will be transferred to the next density to receive those powers and to be primarily in that density as you are now in this one.
>>9802…and they can take my mind and the bulk of my memories too. I don't want them either. My whole life is rubbish, it's not worth preserving, I'm too stupid. All I need is to remember some of the suffering, remember just enough that if I ever get a better life next time I won't take anything for granted, and I will serve others and be virtuous and whatever THE FUCK IT IS THEY WANT!! I DON'T EVEN KNOW!! It's not clear to me at all. I don't know what the hell they want, I don't know what is really good and evil, I fucking don't get it.
I need help. Some kind of spirit guide, something, to help me and make shit clear. I am so lost and alone and miserable and stupid.
>>9802They will receive theirs later. Whether in this life or another, knowing they will have a downfall can put a mind at peace. Patience of an angel is needed to get through this world.
If you truly wish to bring yourself to ruin, do it. I can't and won't stop you.
>>9805Like maybe god just wants me to sacrifice animals and plants and other things to him. …or maybe he wants me torture myself further… or maybe he wants me make paintings… or to give people good advice… I don't think he wants me healing anyone or he'd just give me the power, fuck.
I don't get it. I hate this. I can't enjoy life at all, it's all static to me, all shit. I hate everything of my life so intensely.
go in deep contact with yourself in a deep meditative transe you might find the answer in yourself
sometimes we have much fog
>>9803No nature around me for fucking ever, it's all been destroyed, and turn into shit.
just try a deep meditative transe to enter in contact with yourself one self you might find the answer you just need more time
>>9806>They will receive theirs later.Who are you talking about? I don't give a SHIT about others in this world. They can all be perfectly healthy, intelligent, and whatever else or not. I don't care. It won't make me happier to see them suffer, there is no satisfaction in that, I'm just sick of having to personally suffer.
>Whether in this life or another, knowing they will have a downfall can put a mind at peace. Patience of an angel is needed to get through this world.No that's stupid. I'd rather everyone ascend. This is crap.
>If you truly wish to bring yourself to ruin, do it. I can't and won't stop you.How would I be brining myself to ruin? I am a stupid piece of shit that got thrown into this world not knowing what the fuck I have to do, I hear so many contradictions from others I don't know what to do, it's ridiculous. If I just had a manual to life and wasn't so stupid and in a constant fog I wouldn't be such a fuck up. All the intelligent and healthy people and aliens are far more capable and can do far greater things while I am just worthless.
Nothing about the experience of life I'm having is worth it. I pray to not wake up tomorrow, I want to die in my sleep.
inteligent and famous people is not the same as yourself you have a wonderfull process to discover yourself just catch that with entushiasm with all oportunities you have much things do to and discover
>>9811How? I keep trying and I keep getting lost. The last time I ended up in some strange city that was a weird mix of medieval and modern. Must've been Europe or some shit. Then I wasted my time wandering around there and forgot what to do.
actually i think that is illusion to distract yourself you just need go more deep in contact with yourself just try to do more works in yourself feel more connect with yourself feel yourself and discover yourself with all oportunites in deep transe meditation etc to improve advance with enthuasism in yourself
>>9813I don't care about my "self" or "the self to discovered". I'd rather transform the pile of shit that is my mind and body into a perfect form then adhere to some notion of a self that is me.
you need not karma
just tell Master Smiley about how you've sinned
then do some magick and go about with your life. Even if it is real, you can just do magick to get yourself out of it (depending on the situation, most, if not all, karmic situations can be delt with through magick) like if you're sad you can make yourself happy again. Karma is just another way of the demiurge trapping you.
Stay docile and ignorant, mundanes.
you need feel the great oportunities that are inside in you catch them with entushiasm with you spirit that are a great thing to help to you advance in yourself in deep contact with you to improve and feel enthusiasmatic with yourself oportunities that are inside you
Maybe the key to getting things is not wanting them. It's easier to get the shit you abhor. That makes this universe basically perfectly evil, as everyone gets exactly what they don't want.
Nah, that's bullshit and so is any other karma/moral/judgement system.
what if our mind is in a constant fog to what is already inside us our greatest powers we just need discover them in contact with one self you greatest that is yourself you! and all oportunities that you can catch to advance yourself better and better
>>9819y u no cult of smileberg flag?
>>9822Please contact a spirit to give you proficiency in English so I can understand what you're saying.
>>9823Cookies don't save although it's set to "allow" for some reason and I don't feel like selecting it every time I post.
>>9814This book seems shit. I can hardly follow the way this guy writes. Is English not his first language?
>>9825Yeah the quick reply box never fucking remembers man. I've told Stal to fix this many times.
>>9770I tend to think it's like this, combined with subconscious belief. Same as the belief that not keeping silent about esoteric powers leads to death.
>Hurt others>You'll get hurt yourself>Heal others>You'll get hurt in their stead 
NOPE. Fuck this book. Feeling doesn't mean shit, it's experience that matters to me. I don't like this book.
>>9829Belief defines the borders of reality and its experience. Create beliefs to play with, then work within the borders of your belief, then do as you please.
Obviously something like karma that tries to balance everything is a stupid shitty belief.
It would be better to have a different belief.
>that feel when people tell me I am very cold, have a thousand-yard stare, eyes look dead, etc. and I notice the same about my expression and also I never smile and I've been like this since a young child
Only part of this book that has really got my attention and I really want to do right now. Finally – maybe I shall have my eyesight fixed!
>>9839>>9834Ok I've read the page a couple times over and don't know what I've read. I can NOT follow this guy's way of writing. It gives me such a fucking headache. Why does he write everything in such a weird and unnatural way?
>>9842Alright I'm done with this shitty book, going to read my other books.
>Fell asleep each night with the belief that your eyes are reverting to default – during the last/ i.e. to the state of full sharpness/ your eyesight would start to revert slowly after a period of delay.^ this perhaps might be a key I don't know
>>9817Manual to win life.
>>9826No, he's polish. I dreaded reading it, but the info is solid and I've turned my life around from it.
>>9831It's Nirvana. If you reject it, then you have no reason to complain of your shitty life.
>>9834Anyone can change.
>>9839Good luck.
>>9842>>9843It's pigeon English and what the greentext means is that you have to believe they're being fixed, not only do the steps.
>>9850Yeah yeah whatever. My life will be the shittier for having wasted this much time reading it.
>>9852Also never wanted to win at life. I don't care about shit here. Like a good portion of that book for example is how to get GF or how to be successful financially – somethings I don't give a shit about.
I am under no delusion that your book there will bring me what I really want.
There are much more important texts for me to read then that book.
>>9902I'm very sure your book is a waste of time. Prove to me otherwise.
>>9907I will not. Read it or not, I lose none.
>>9908Ok well fuck your book. I'ma do amazing shit without it.
