This is how you get into the astral planes:
See before you what can be seen with your mind's eye. If you must, project something at first, then look around it for things which you do not project. As you look around everything else will start to come into focus and take form around you. DO NOT THINK ANY WORDS. Any sounds will fuck up the process.
There is a skill which you ought to practice to get good at APing and it's quite simple really but a bit hard to do. You must see numbers in your mind (preferably elaborate fancy numbers in a beautiful font like I visualize) and count them up but only with seeing them. So you see 1, you see 2, you see 3, etc. and count up and then backwards. It is very hard not to think / sound out each number as you see them but once you get the hang of seeing the numbers without thinking them then you will have the skill you need to AP.
This exercise, quite simple in nature, is meant to overcome the conditioned programming of your mind and to let you use only your mind's eye to do what must be done. It is important that as you phase into the astral planes you do not talk at all until you're fully there. Even when you're there start by thinking thoughts and maybe communicating with another entity telepathically before you think about moving your mouth to sound out words out loud. You will know the difference…
Also when you are going there start by just looking around. Do not move at first. Eventually once you're more there you can start moving and after awhile it will be clear as day.
Now here are some odd things you can do in the astral planes:
1. Telepathy. Normally you experience this as empathy in the waking. Empathy lets you feel what others feel. In the astral telepathy is way more advanced and you can mind-read too with some difficulty and transmit your thoughts with less difficulty.
2. Levitation and telekinesis. Hard to do and generally a massive waste of astral energy. If the rules of the plane you are in don't allow it then just don't bother or do it once and enjoy getting prematurely disconnected after draining your energy… just to find out.
3. Energy manipulation, shielding, banishment, enchanting, and many other forms of magic.
4. Possession; you can possess people, access their memories and thoughts, and if you fuck up forget who you are at least temporarily and end up living and thinking you're someone else at least until you disconnect from the astral. You can also be possessed by other entities.
5. You can go around raping, torturing, killing, vandalizing, etc. but will likely get fucked up by some other entities for doing that.
6. You can talk to other entities and they will often ignore you, get pissed off by you, attack you, etc. but sometimes they are really friendly and will even want to cuddle with you or play games with you or talk with you. They're not all very knowledgeable but quite a few of them have vast esoteric knowledge. There is also what are known as "the hollow ones". These are theorized to be dreamwalkers who don't know and aren't fully aware that they're dreaming, temporarily come to the astral planes but too much in a fog to really know what's going on around. They are very unresponsive even when being killed by demons and they don't resist the attacks at all.
Here are things to avoid in the astral planes:
1. Sex and rape. Just don't do it. It's very risky and drains you of astral energy and makes you vulnerable to attacks by succubus and so on. Most who engage in sex will end up being disconnected from the astral planes pretty quick so if you don't want to shorten your visit don't muh dick around!
2. Do not create trouble in sanctuaries. The guardians of those places will be fucking pissed off and you won't get away with your chaos. If you feel like going full GTA do it in the middle or lower planes.
3. Do not let any other entities possess you, especially not demons. Do not trust demons ever. Kill all demons on sighting or flee if you can.
When astral projecting:
1. Do not pay attention to vibrations. Yes, they do happen, but focusing on them is self-defeating. You want to ignore them.
2. Do not dick around with sleep paralysis; it's not an efficient way to do it and is just stupid.
3. If laying on your back doesn't work just lay on your side; it doesn't matter so long as you feel weightless. Make sure there are no pressure points anywhere. You don't want to feel pressure or weight; you should feel like you're floating in your bed practically.
4. Sensory deprivation; make the most of it. Keep the room as dark and free of sound as possible. Failing that master the art of blocking that out mentally so you don't perceive it at all.
5. Do not visualize ropes or any stupid shit like that and don't focus on working your way out of your body. All that matters is seeing before you what there is to be seen. When you get up to get a glass of water do you think about how you're going to walk to the sink and fill up the glass, thinking about how you're going to move your legs and everything? No. So don't think about getting out of your body; just do it. How do you do it? Well look at where there is in front of you and eventually just walk towards it (when ready) without thinking about walking towards it.
may expand upon this later…
Two more important points:
1. Before you astral project clear your mind / achieve gnosis. You can do this through meditation or other means. This will stop the rumination and other invasive thoughts from fucking up the process.
2. Whatever you initially project things will appear around it. Let yourself be taken in by it and see more of what is around you. Never think about moving or anything else, just see, and eventually you will be there and able to walk around and eventually talk and interact there.
Awesome information, thanks a ton for this!
So, it is just counting numbers?
i mean.
>Relax
>Meditate
>See what you can see with your mind's eye
>Get on bed knowing that you are going to AP
>Start seeing numbers without thinking them or saying them.
>poof you are in the astral
Can you explain it more? What happens after you count numbers? Or it is just some excercise?
I mean, tell me what you have to do when lying on your bed, you do the numbers thing then you feel like levitating and then you are out?
I'll tell you my problem: When i try to AP (I havent do it) i lay on bed and do all the process, then i start feeling the vibrations, imagine that i'm getting outside y body, then i feel like levitating in the air, but nothing happens after that, what is the trick? What do you do after getting the feeling?
My question is, why i'm not in the astral when i already feel like i'm outside my physical body?
Seeing it really difficult to distinguish between astral projection and lucid dreaming here.
What you are describing sounds a lot like a very specific lucid dream built around the fact that you think you are really in these astral realms when you are in fact just lucid dreaming.
>>699Lucid dreaming is astral projection. The difference is that your in your own plane and on your own synchronicity level.
So entering via sleep para is bad, but not explaining another method is ?
>>703What are you even trying to say?
Sleep paralysis only makes sense as a means to AP for people who naturally experience sleep paralysis all the time. If you have a predisposition that makes you easily experience sleep paralysis then you could make use of it. The majority of people do not though and are making things very hard for themselves by trying to induce sleep paralysis.
Sup guys, just finished reading the material presented here and I have a question. Would it be possible/practical to attempt meetups in the astral?
I feel like it wouldn't be, but also I am rather new to this. Any wizardly wisdom shared is appreciated.
>>710It is but first you have to find a plane you like, create a waypoint that you can return to, then test that you can actually come back to the same place during different AP visits… then you can try sharing it with others to have them come visit too.
I see, so to create a waypoint should I just find a particular landmark to serve as an anchor of sorts? I've only had one truly "successful" AP experience thus far, and visited a rather boring field. Gonna try for something more populated next time though.
Bumping.
I got a very important question!
I'v been using Binural Beats to aid in my astral projection. It not only helps to get into gnosis faster but it also blocks out alot of sound that can be heard in my house. Whenever I use my binural beats they get me to vibrations within 5 to 10 minutes of meditation and then when the vibrations come in, my heat starts beating reaalllyy quick and I lose focus. Any suggestions?
>>713A while back a group of dudes posted on /x/ trying to organize a meetup in the astral. Using a sigil that people were to draw and meditate upon they were to be (if succsessful) contacted by an egregore (whose name I now do not recall) which the organizers supposedly had created. The egregore was the gatekeeper/admin of the plane where the meetup was held and was rather safe, though people reported meeting large enteties that, if challenged, would beat your astral ass silly.
There were many who succsessfully entered the plane and met one another, but those who had little or none prior experience with APing only remembered fragments of it happening, hazzily recognizing eachother the next day by sharing what they could recollect.
Choosing to use an egregore was apparently a good way to organize a meetup but creating one takes quite some time and effort. Contacting one would be easier but that has it's risks.
I didn't partake in the meetup (I think I tried to but was unsuccsessful) and if there were to be another one then I'd be all up on that plane.
>>716I heard now its all dark and fucked over cause it all went to shit.
>>717Not sure if referring to /x/ or the egregore.
>>719>>702Once again, lucid dreaming is not astral projecting. We KNOW what dreaming is, and are fairly positive on what lucid dreaming is as well, if APing exists, it's not in dreams
>>717Well that didn't come as such a big surprise. Anything specific that occured or was it just all the negativity that the /x/'rs brought with them that turned it into Disneyland?
>>718lol, both
Pitty that it went to the crapper.. It was a great idea to introduce people to APing that way.
>>721What do you mean, 'we know'? You're not talking about the mainstream materialism and false rationality, are you? Because it's apparent the mainstream doesn't know jack-shit about even the simplest things.
>>728I mean academia and most think-tanks. What specifically doesn't "mainstream" science understand that's a simple topic?
I'm all for questioning mainstream media and stuff, but mainstream science is science that is peer-reviewed AND ANYBODY can test it. If you have proof they are wrong, show them, and they'll test it too, and if you're right they'll change the "mainstream" view.
>>731That's what I meant. Academia is great and all but there are some things you cannot discover through the normal methods and must test for yourself.
I don't expect you to believe me, in fact it's better if you don't. After just a couple weeks of practice I am capable of weak telekinesis. It's definite, I took many steps to avoid deluding myself and it's getting stronger each day. If I at some point went public, nobody would believe me. It must be a trick I'm doing, everyone knows magic isn't real. You have real examples of people doing just that and accomplishing little. Any institution that conducted trials to try to prove it would be immediately discredited for even considering the possibility.
They're not wrong, they simply know nothing and are too sure of themselves to investigate, instead preferring work with a familiar but broken model. That doesn't mean we should abandon the scientific method, but instead that we should use it how it was meant to be used and ignore unsubstantiated opinions masquerading as science.
As far as the astral planes having an existence outside of a single person's head, I cannot answer for sure as I have done little to try to connect my experiences with that of others. I see it as a peripheral concern so I won't be right now, but if you want to know conduct an experiment for yourself.
>>732Might you share your method of practicing telekenesis?
>>732Eh, I see what you're saying and agree somewhat, and this was a pretty good discussion.
>better if you don'tI don't necessarily understand why it would be better. Also, I'm gonna second the guy above me; you should definitely tell us how you do telekinesis, and make a short demonstration video.
>>736It's better if you investigate yourself rather than take it from me is what I mean.
I've been recording my efforts in this thread though it's a little outdated now. Get a coin, push it into your palm and lift it off your palm, don't stare at it, focus on making the feeling of the coin in your hand lighter or heavier. Just experiment from there. Moving objects that are not in contact with you is damn hard so save that for later. I'm still struggling with the psy-wheel (which makes a pretty terrible test since it's so sensitive to wind).
https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/45.htmlI don't really see the point of a video when there are plenty of others out there, but if I can get strong enough to float objects I'll consider it. Maybe I'll be a little more credible to posters here.
Through meditation I have awakened my chakras, and I have felt them be associated with certain portions of my body, as follows.
Crown: None
Third Eye: Brain, eyes, and nose
Throat: Throat and jaw
Heart: Heart and lungs
Solar Plexus: Intestines and stomach
Sacral: Penis
Root: Testicles
Thoughts and experiences?
>>742meant to post that as a thread, not a reply…
>>707Can you eplain another method, instead of para. ?
>>742>>743Is it counter-productive to find these associations and focus upon them or is it constructive to do so?
>>715I have a similar problem. Also related to feels with my heart. Just try to work through it?
Using OP's method I can get relaxed enough that I see and hear some things, like tiny fragments of dreams, but my awareness gets dragged away by it. If I remind myself to stay back and observe it all stops suddenly, if I don't then I just fall asleep. What should I be doing?
I tried the rope method but the feeling was so strong my heart started beating really fast and I couldn't pull myself beyond the point where you feel yourself rocking back and forth
A rope is a really stupid thing to focus on anyways, if I try that again I'll use a fixed anchor not a rope, it's hard to reconcile climbing a rope with yourself not moving
Dear OP,
I've heard that astral energy is similar to sexual energy. Would it be true to assume that you can accumulate sexual energy through abstinence and how long would you need to practice abstinence before you could accumulate enough to project? or does being able to project have nothing to do with having sex.
>>886Not op but astral planes have nothing to do with sex. Yes you have sexual energy and you can have sex in the astral but its not astral energy itself. Probably attract a succubis if anything. Their is a method of projection upon having an orgasm as well.
>>887"Here are things to avoid in the astral planes:
1. Sex and rape. Just don't do it. It's very risky and drains you of astral energy…"
That is a quote from Fringe Wizard - so if it drains you of astral energy then why wouldn't it make it harder for you to project?
>>888It's not just a matter of projecting but a matter of staying connected and not just dropping out of the astral.
I have been attempting astral travel after an experience I had about 4 months back. I have had Increasing success of late, but have been unable to stay connected for very long.
Last night went a little differently. As the vibrations kick in, I usually get a feeling of euphoria wash up my spine towards my head, pushing me onwards and out when trying to eject. However last night I decided to ignore the feeling and keep trying to exit. As the vibration intensified, my heart rate increased tremendously. My breathing, which would usually unconsciously shift into a deep rhythmic pattern, Did not. I found myself out of breath and having to compensate for this, I felt as if I had just ran a mile and was still sprinting. As I put more effort into pushing out I felt a muscle was tensing inside the back of my neck, close to the base of my skull. Without the euphoria, it felt as I was somehow cutting off blood to my brain. it was like dying with no pain. I stopped.
I don't know if I was fucking it up by stopping the euphoria (it was noticably harder that usual to tune into the vibrations), or if the euphoria makes you not notice/care that to seperate from the body, the body has to die, or almost die?
I won't be trying it again soon anyway.
>>905What's your diet like? It could just be general bad health.
>>906I eat well, I try to steer away from anything too refined or processed and I don't drink. My family including me recently developed chest infections. Which may have something to do with the lack of breath.
The process without the euphoria was very similar to with, just less automated and a less drugged reading from my senses.
>>906Diet has nothing to do with astral projection.
>>917as much as i would like to agree… I'm sure diet would have some effect, even if only to help reaching the state of mind needed to achive it.
>>918Diet does matter. It makes thing easier or harder.
I'm about to say some bullshit. On the theme of visualizing and seeing what there is to be seen I tried this for the first time a little while ago. I visualized a place I made, a lake with mountains and woods surrounding it with a light house. I walked down to the lake and got in and started floating down because I thought visualizing feeling weightless would help me project. Somewhere along the line as I was floating down I started hearing people chanting a song that started as hums and turned into words I couldn't understand. What was weird was that I didn't expect to hear the chanting and without consciously thinking the next words of the song would flow on their own. Anyway as I was floating to the bottom and my body was going numb I made it so that there would be a portal at the bottom that would separate my astral body from my physical making my real body that was getting into gnosis pop out. My binaural beats ran out though and so I got up. My question is am I on the right path with visualization and should I keep working on it or should I just move back to just trying to go numb and getting out?
>>932How the fuck do you visualize weightlessness? That's not a sensation you can see.
Why would you make yourself numb?
>>931Look up "decalcifying the pineal gland" also experiment with citric acid and other things from foods and see how they effect your lucidity.
Here's a list of things to do & not to do when astral projecting:1. Don't pay attention to your body. You should not feel your body. Numbness/tingling is a distraction from astral projecting. You should not feel your body at all.
2. Keep in mind the importance of death in magic. In many ways we must die in order to do magic, whether it be that we are putting to death certain invasive thoughts, attachments, etc. When one astral projects you are separating soul from body albeit in a manner where a connection to the body is still maintained and the body is not destroyed so you do come back to your body. It helps to think that you are dead or about to die.
3. Sensory deprivation; make your bed as comfortable as possible. Have lots of blankets under you probably. No pressure points. No noises or light if they can be avoided (although I also AP during the day with a lot of light around so I guess it can still be done then). If you can't block out noise then at least try to have an ambient noise in the room which is kept at the same level (doesn't fluctuate) so as not to disturb you.
4. Do not picture yourself or think about getting out of your body. That's a terrible idea. Better to picture your front lawn or something instead. You can create a special room too which is like an anchor point for your astral projection. This room can exist in another plane or it can exist here. If it exists here you'll have to create it physically but also etherically, and you may wish to keep said room as empty as possible and under constant lighting. Under ideal conditions I'd have a room in a basement with no windows and just artificial light and it would be all white. Floors, walls, and ceiling. Then I'd draw a simple sigil or symbol in it, probably a pentagram or maybe a celtic cross, and do so very cleanly (making sure to measure out the circle properly probably by using a stick + a string to trace it out, getting the angles right, make sure it's all geometrically precise). I would spend a lot of time then in that room imbuing it with the energies I want it to have and reconstructing it on the higher planes. Then I could use that room as my anchor point to astral project to like it's a teleportation node and I could invite my wizard friends over too on an astral level! It is important that the place is unchanging, simple, and thus easy to picture in the mind; but hopefully won't be confused with any other rooms elsewhere in the same plane.
5. Read this (
http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php?chapter=XV ) and consider the Principle of Vibration ( "Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates." ). Adjust your vibration to a higher vibration so it is easier to get to the astral and stay there longer too. Creating alternating vibratory patterns and thus complex emotional combinations can have interesting results too. It is also harder to get into the higher planes at a lower vibration I think… or at least if you do go it'll be hard to stay if you are at a lower vibration.
6. Get rid of any parasitic entities "demons" that have attached themselves to you beforehand. These will make it difficult to astral project because they're constantly feeding on your astral energy and making you depressed and causing other problems. Astral energy is essential to remain connected and once you're in the astral maintaining your astral energy level, replenishing it, using it efficiently, etc. is important. If you get fucked up on the astral level you will feel emotionally dead, your conscious powers will be deminished, you'll have a harder time manifesting things / using synchronistic reality creation, etc. it sucks and takes awhile to recover. Getting rid of demons can be difficult but there are a variety of ways described to do it. One involves starving them of their preferred energy source by alternating astral energy output. Demons are specialized on astral energies of specific vibrations and when the astral energy is not the correct vibration they have to convert it. Conversion process = loss of efficiency, less energy obtained. So they may be discouraged from preying upon you and seek out easier prey instead if you're giving off energies it doesn't like. Another thing you can do is enter a gnosis / meditate a long time and feel nothing all the while. This completely cuts off the energy supply and makes you invisible to them. When you give off astral energy you are like a light and the demons are like moths attracted to you, they can't see you otherwise, making it harder for them to stick around and bother you. The most effective solution is to confront them directly HOWEVER many who are being preyed upon by these demons are made helpless by them and don't have enough energy most of the time to fight back so how do you deal with this? Well there's two ways you can deal with this; bring in outside intervention by having someone else come along and banish the demon or practice energy vampirism stealing some energy from someone else so you temporarily have enough of it to activate third eye abilities, see the demon, and attack it yourself. Due to being so reclusive and not really having anyone around in person to help with these things I usually opt for energy vampirism. If I had a wife though I'd have her help me.
>tfw no wife & homestead7. Many people need to practice energy work, meditation, and other things before astral projecting. They try to get straight to astral projection without getting these basics done first. I previously suggested that numbers thing. Various simple exercises to increase the power of your consciousness, to transcend the usual verbal form of thought, strengthen the mind's eye, etc. should be done. One should clear their mind of invasive thoughts, rumination, etc. aka achieve the state of gnosis before astral projecting (as well as before any other magic really). CLARITY OF MIND is important. FOCUS and LUCIDITY too. Diet, exercises, stretching, etc. all play a role in these things. You should seek to perfect yourself in many ways to have greater control over mind, body, and soul. A strong foundation / having the basics all down will make advancing towards higher things easier.
>>978>tfw no wife & homesteadI know that feel all too well, wizardbro
Soon we will have what we deserve. What we can manifest in the astral we will also create here. Stay strong
>>694Can someone answer this?
Having trouble as well.
>>978How does one practice energy vampirism?
>>1072>get people to direct their energy towards you>siphon it in a way that it doesn't harm you and you just take the energy and repurpose it for what you want >>1073This gives no actual instruction.
I don't understand what exactly the intent is to get your soul to leave the body. Relaxing your body and clearing your mind? Vibrating? What should I focus on?
>>1071>>694you wait. focus on anything but your bodily senses. and you will start dreaming
focus on nothing especially not thinking and just stay awake if u can…
>>1074its originally referring to getting demons detached to better able AP, which you probably don't know what it means. why don't you say what yo do know, no ones gonns write a book fir you.
>>1075as you said the intent is to get your soul to leave the body. focus on Relaxing your body and clearing your mind. Vibrating is just a sign focusing won't neccessarily help. though
>>1075Look into chaos magic. A big part of many forms of magic requires an expression of intent. Montalk also describes this.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=manifestation+site%3Amontalk.netRead the ones pertaining to reality creation, reality uncertainty principle, etc. just read everything about manifestation from his site.
See also:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Chaos%20Magic%20Sigilsand:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Chaos+Magic+Manifestation+IntentHopefully you can pick out from those results things which will help you here.
If you don't go through all that at least read this article:
http://www.montalk.net/metaphys/69/true-reality-creation-part-ii
>Here is the method and theory I use:
>First, you must be fully conscious to manifest something, which means planting your mind firmly upon this point in space and time, becoming aware of the here and now. This channels your will and energy into the actual present reality within which you exist, rather than sloppily diffusing it across random dimensions and moments as is typical of daydreams or states of inattention. This energy will be used to bind present reality to the one you intend to manifest.
>While maintaining this alertness of the present moment and location, visualize what it is you intend to manifest. This creates an alternate dimension, an assemblage of thoughtforms, a way of seeking out candidate timelines which match the intended manifestation. The best fitting timelines are automatically selected, ones that accommodate the freewill of everyone whose realities are coupled to yours.
>Last, you need to merge your visualized dimension or candidate timeline with present reality. This is done by identifying both of them as being the same thing, by intending and believing that what you visualized is present reality. You use the feeling of full consciousness and awareness of the present reality to empower the visualized reality. They thus become bound together, and synchronicities arise to complete their merger.
>To summarize, first you consciously grab hold of the present reality by focusing on this point in space and time, then construct or select an alternate reality by visualizing the subject of your manifestation. You empower that visualization with the feeling of presence gained from focusing upon the present reality, and then fully bind the two by seeing them as identical. This process can be abbreviated by skipping the first step, and simply placing full focus and intent into the visualized reality. The purpose of the first step is just to get a feel for “actuality”.
>In other words, know what you want, demand what you want, and mean what you demand. The more specific you are in your demands, the more likely it will happen. This is because manifestation requires the directing of will, and being specific directs one’s will with precision. Being specific also shows use of awareness, the accurate pinpointing of one’s demands rather than a blind shot in the dark.
>Whether manifesting is an act of wishful thinking or the positive use of one’s abilities, depends on whether it aids spiritual evolution, respects freewill, is demanded with full consideration of truth and, is directed downward on the spiritual hierarchy, and is even possible to achieve.
>On the one hand, it can be used for negative purposes and the control of others, or it can be used for positive purposes such as protection from redundant attacks and hassles. Whatever the case may be, keep in mind that the method of manifestation is only auxiliary, to be used for making things as easy as they should be, but cannot be relied upon to actually thrust you through life. I projected straight from the waking for the first time today and had a rather harrowing experience.
I got up out of bed and out of my body, fully aware, and could feel things were off. Small things, like the door being open or the bedsheets being the wrong color. I went into the kitchen and tried some telekinesis for a while. I then felt I was being recalled back to my body. I resisted, I wanted to stay longer. Thirty seconds later I felt it again, I fought it again. A bit later it came back, I fought it, but I lost and woke up in my bed.
I got up, but something was still wrong. The town outside the window was strange and not one I recognized. I wandered a while, concluded I was still stuck, and tried waking up again.
Alright, I'm up now - wait, there is a pulsating hole in my bed, this is not normal. I got up and tried waking up again.
Door's open, I know I left it closed. I try again
Window's open. I try again
Telekinesis is far too easy, I can't be awake. I think, anyways. Try again.
And again, and again, and again. I was quickly losing sight of what normal really was and I began to fear I would never get back. It took ten or twelve times before I finally got up for real, but I am now filled with a supreme sense of unreality. It also renewed my fear of death; being cut off and wandering like that is horrible. Had I gone through a hundred cycles instead of a dozen I am not sure I would have come out sane.
I could have sworn someone posted on this board they were worried about a rumor that you could get stuck in the astral planes when projecting, but I can't find the post. I did browse the astral version of here a little just before that out-of-body experience so that might have been it.
In any case, don't do what I did. When you feel your body calling you back, give in or only put it off once. Don't cut the rope.
>>978 #2 is true in more ways than one.
>>1109The risk of being stuck on the astral plane is very real. If you're not careful your body will go into a permanently vegetative state.
>>1109Take a hot bath or shower. Water will help you re-solidify your form.
In the future, go back to your body when you feel the pull instead of resisting. When you feel that pull it's because you lack the energy to continue.
The ultimate goal is to get your dreaming/astral body to project into the real energy-generating world of everyday life where your sleeping body is located and to see yourself asleep. It may take countless times for you to do this. You might even think you're seeing yourself asleep but actually still be projecting into a regular dream of instead of the real thing at first, which is close to what you've described doing. The way to discern whether it's really you you're seeing or whether your projecting into another dreaming layer is by intending to see energy. If you're sleeping body is generating that glow, you've succeeded. This is a gradual process. Take baby steps. It requires an inordinate amount of energy to access the energy body in the first place and use it at all, so you must also have enough to return safely.
>>1109 here
I'm fine now. Things don't quite feel as absolute as they did before but I see it as a positive thing.
For anyone else still struggling to project, the key for me at least was to do every step without thinking about it. Intent wasn't even necessary. I just went to sleep with a clear mind and paid almost unconscious attention to what I saw and heard. Practice until it's automatic.
>>1110I know this is very likely correct, but is there any particular thing that makes you so sure? Is it something in your own experiences, or maybe something I should have read by now?
>>1117That sounds like a good goal to work towards.
>The way to discern whether it's really you you're seeing or whether your projecting into another dreaming layer is by intending to see energy. If you're sleeping body is generating that glow, you've succeeded.I was wondering how to tell, good timing. I'll be cautious, I still need to improve my success rate for aimless projection to anywhere first, but I'm not going to let fear overtake me.
>>11191117 here.
I have a very useful exercise for you to try practicing: during the day hide an object of your choice somewhere and locate it during dreaming/astral projection. At first hide it close to your sleeping body, like in your room or somewhere in your house. As you get better at commanding your energy body to find it, hide it farther away. This is a very basic and simple routine, but it will help strengthen your cohesion and fine tune your ability to mitigate your energetic output during these sessions.
I think you also might really benefit from my How To Train Your Dreams guide. Let me know what you think:
http://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/969.html >>1110This might sounds silly but are you saying that the movie Insidious isn't completely bullshit?
>>13262278
Additional etheric energy. Same principle as behind having milk and other things out when crafting thoughtforms.
"The Invisible Influences by Zivorad Mihajlovic Slavinski"
Read that book. It's a good introduction to a lot of different things useful in magic.
>"You can create an astral body of such an Entity in the following manner. You can do it while seated, but it is more effective to do it in a lying position. Concentrate on your starting idea –or decision, which constitutes the backbone of your Entity. While you are concentrated in this way, contract all themuscles in your body powerfully, withoutmoving any part of your body. Then imagine the Entity in the shape of a small thick cloud or of a ball of condensed fog above you. Gradually loosen the muscle tension and simultaneously visualize that neuromuscular energy flowing out of your body and into the Entity. Do this for about ten seconds, until you become completely relaxed."
>"One of the laws of creating phenomena in our subjective universe is that our energy automatically flows and pours into an image we keep in mind at the moment when energy is being discharged. You should repeat this process from time to time, for the Entity’s energy depends on the energy you invest in it."
>"In order to provide it with an ethereal body and by doing so make it more efficient, keep a glass of condensed milk or honey by your side while you are performing the previously described operation of pouring energy into it. The life energy of these fluids will serve as the basis for creating the Entity’s “ethereal body”."
I got banned by posting a banned link to that book I recommended you…
Astral projection guide:
0. Consume a whole bunch of citric acid (eat citrus fruits / drink orange juice / lemon juice / grapefruit juice / etc).
1. No televisions, radios, noisy people, cars, and other sources of noise pollution if you can avoid it. Hell if you can block signals from getting into your room that might help too.
2. Make sure your room is as a clean as possible. No dust, no objects that don't need to be there, ideally you'd have an empty room with just a mattress / blanks / pillows in there.
3. Do not let any light in. If your room has windows like mine that fucking sucks. Try to get a room with no windows and make sure to plug those cracks around the door to avoid light getting in. A big room is also preferable btw, because small rooms experience changes in humidity and ambient air temperature faster.
4. Take a shower and turn into as cold as it can possibly go and make sure the cold water hits you exactly where you don't want to. Embrace the motherfucking cold. Make sure you're thoroughly goosebumped all over then get out and dry off and so on.
5. Stretch so you're as limbre/relaxed as possible. No tension.
6. Put honey over your face. Just do it faggot.
7. Lay down and be as comfortable as possible, no pressure points, and start seeing numbers and other things with your mind. Do not use sound, think purely in vision.
8. Get really fucking happy as you do this. You might even start crying because you get so happy.
9. Keep watching what you see and let yourself be drawn into it.
10. Do not think about your surroundings or your body or anything just look at what is before you.
11. After awhile you'll have planeshifted and you'll be in a whole new reality walking around and it'll be vivid as fuck.
Do you guys seriously eat this shit up? Good to know that schizos and druggies have a place to go to ramble at each other.
>>1187>>"In order to provide it with an ethereal body and by doing so make it more efficient, keep a glass of condensed milk or honey by your side while you are performing the previously described operation of pouring energy into it. The life energy of these fluids will serve as the basis for creating the Entity’s “ethereal body”."Using this logic, could I place a bowl of semen at my bedside and use the life energy from it to astrally project?
Simplest method for astral projection:
1. Focus on an initial sigil or other thing to begin the synchronization process. If you wish to revisit a place I suppose you'd focus on the same initial thing but I have yet to test this.
2. Be drawn into it and look around.
3. You're there; now just find your way to some entity or place or other that you want to be to find out the truth or whatever reason you went to the astral planes for.
Be wary of deception. I've heard the astral planes called "the veil" before. In am not sure how deep and elaborate these deceptions may be and how far they extend into our waking life even but never give yourself over completely to anything out there, don't accept unconditionally whatever the first entity you come across may tell you, etc. they bullshit a lot and are manipulative the demons out there. Do not waste your energy and stay calm.
Guys, if I go to the Astral Plane how do I ascend to Godhood?
Will it help if I get people to pray to me in the physical world?
I don't want to use machiavellian techniques or be manipulative, wouldn't want to be that kind of god…just curious about meta-games :DDDD
>>1236I've been in the astral planes for years and am still haven't progressed towards being anything like a God.
You've got your sights set very high. Just learn to navigate the astral planes, to secure a foothold over there, and to return with ease first. Once you've got a base of operations of sort set up in the astral and are able to stay around often to defend it you can work on advanced magic and so on.
I'm still basically the astral equivalent of a homeless bum myself.
I need some clarification dudes. Can Binural Beat Asist in AP? I'v had some great results but Idk if its just me.
>>1272I also got okay result from listening to binaural beats but I think it's better if you train yourself to project without using any of these tools
>>1273Can you post what binaural beats you listened too? I on the other hand haven't had much success with them, but i am willing to give a listen.
One time though I fell alseep with headphones on playing BB and all off a sudden I woke up as if there was an explosion in my head. Really odd sensation
>>1274Just go on piratebay and search Binural Beats. I would post you the link but for some reason its not their anymore o.0 But I bet you could find some just by searching google.
>>1274I can't access youtube at the moment but you can find by searching "guided meditation astral projection", I think its the 2nd most viewed video.
It almost worked and I made it on the vibration stage but I nope'd from all the sensations and never got separated
Last night I felt as if I almost did it. I started by seeing the numbers and I occasionally started seeing other things. I just went along with them but then I flinched and drew back to the waking. it also felt as if I fell asleep almost.
Is it supposed to feel like you almost drift to sleep? Or are you supposed to stay really concious through the whole thing?
>>1312You should remain aware through the whole thing, but not necessarily alert.
It depends what you mean by
>I just went along with themIf you went along with them as in went along with whatever shit popped into your head and you began to involve yourself rather than just observing, that will typically lead you to normal sleep. When you do that you tend to forget yourself and lose awareness.
Keep trying and you'll learn to observe while staying uninvolved until you're ready. Don't be afraid to try things anyways, in the worst case you waste a little time.
As an interesting but unrelated side note, the entry point doesn't have to be visual. You can hear yourself into astral projection as well, that's what happened my first time.
>>1313Thanks for the tips.
I have some questions still though.
Does your body repair itself during AP like it does with sleep? Is it bad to AP instead of sleep? Will I experience AP as vividly and clearly as the waking? What will clarity be if I'm tired and AP?
That's all I can think of at the moment.
>>1314Just don't treat your time projecting as sleep and you'll be fine. You'll probably wake up after each session anyways rather than fall asleep.
The vividity varies. It can feel just as real as the waking, to such a degree that you will only know you are projecting because that's what you were trying to do five minutes ago.
However you can quickly learn to increase it so it doesn't matter even if everything starts hazy.
The interesting part is those techniques will work in the waking too, increasing your lucidity and powers of perception here.
As above, so below. As below, so above. Takes energy though. And don't listen to anyone who prescribes long or roundabout methods for increasing the strength of dreams and projections, it shouldn't take more than a few seconds and is quite intuitive, I'm sure you can figure something out.
>>1315thanks, will keep trying. I have some more questions. how likely is it that I will happen upon another human wizard? how will I know they are one?
>>1322also, has anyone ever met up with a friend wizard in a specific place?
>>1193You forgot the step where you are supposed to run around naked outside in cold weather for 24 minutes exactly so that the vibrational crystals in your quasi dense body can be properly tuned with your pineal antonym and third eye vibrational super density can attract chakra power mind third eye cloud nuclear atom propulsion systems blue lagoon ten twelve zulu echo gamma gamma charlie idaho ohio utah.
Then you should be in an AP, your welcome
Just this morning I projected about 7-8 times, each time failing to keep it stable and getting disconnected, but I discovered something. If you repeat the same process, attain the same mental state, but don't have any images coming into your head, you can gain control of the astral body without projecting, so you remain here. I lay down, and gradually began to lose feeling of my body. Then after some time I began to feel I had control of it again, as if I had projected, though I had still not yet lost awareness of my surroundings. I rolled over, partially out of my physical body, but I was stuck fast by the pit of my stomach and I incurred a good bit of pain by twisting myself about like that. When I forced, my belly would be pushed inward and compressed. I got up and the pain sticks with me a little. I should be clear, all my senses, including sight, hearing, touch, etc. moved with my astral body and were in no way bound to the physical.
It makes sense that this is the proper method for so-called ethereal projection to this plane. It seems preposterous to claim that you can project here by projecting to planes increasingly similar to this one. To where are you to project when you are already at your destination?
As for getting rid of the imagery that comes to mind, it happened in my case because I had projected so many times just before in rapid succession that there just weren't any images left. I don't know the mechanism, and there's probably an easier way to do it.
Now, my question is: Is it safe to force through the pain (I'd probably end up breaking something important), or is there a method to loosen the astral body a little more so this becomes easier? Any ideas?
So the other night I awoke from a lucid dream, and kept slipping in and out of dreaming, really drowsy phucked up state of consciousness, but the thing is, whenever I awoke, and I was in this "reality" I was lying facedown on my pillow and remember, not physically, but I remember FEELING myself float up, and I can't describe it in a really touch, solid kind of feel, but it was like something ethereal and I felt it just gently rise up out of me, I saw my pillow for about a second without opening my eyes and then I think I felt something in my mouth or some restless body part, and immediately snapped back.
Is that what it feels like? Completely formless, but still feeling, like a I don't know, just ghost-like is how I would describe it. And how close was I to getting up and floating around the world freely?
also what kind of deities can I expect to find? will I see any multi-limbed, blue-skinnd hindu gods if I visit the astral realm? Can I create my own being that has it's own consciousness?
>>1187About using honey or milk for additional energy, I have found blood works very well. I was thoughtforming a small object and wanted to quickly imbue it with more energy / my own essence. Here's what I did:
>draw pentacle, trace again etherically, imagining a bright white light emerging from the lines>place object in the center>dab blood on each of the five points of the pentagram>imagine the energy from the blood swirling into the objectIt was only a few drops of blood, but when I picked up the object again it was burning hot. At most I've felt thoughtforms to be warm. It surprised me, I was expecting a cold feeling since it's primarily metal. I'm making the assumption warmth = more energy here, but that seems like a pretty safe one.
It solidified more too and felt quite a bit more real afterwards.
Obviously, it isn't safe to use your own blood in all cases. Use your own judgement.
How am I meant to know what a demon looks like?
>>1732They look like anything. You identify their demonic nature by their behaviour; they try to deprive you of your astral energy.
Yo, i just woke up and decidedto come here and write down my dream in the dream-thread, but it seems it got bumped off the map by a bunch of threads that contain a few copypasted lines of text and/or a link, though nothing else. This influx of useless threads have 404d alot of good threads which actually contained some level of discussion and it sort of sucks because some of them were rather interesting.
I suggest that either the pages get increased or that there'll be a general thread where links can be posted or that people simply try to find a thread where what they want to copypaste fits the best. This way conversation can be concentrated to fewer threads and keeo more threads active at the same time.
Now, with that out of the way will I go on to my dream.
>… Crap, i've forgot almost all of it now!
>Firstly intended to astral project but I think i just became lucid.
>i managed to contain my calmness and explore the dreamscape without any problems.
>everything was in great detail as i walked/flew around.
>everytime i noticed that i was waking up and regaining consciousness over my physical body iused the rope techniqe and was almost instantly back in the dream.
>whenever i noticed losing my lucidity i said to myself "i am searching for the akashic records" as a sort of mantra, and it worked well to restore my focus.
This was the longest time ive anaged to stay lucid and i have partly this thread to thank for it, so thanks.
>>2228Some guy intentionally spammed /fringe/ and wiped out of most the threads on it. Apparently you weren't around for it. /astral/ is ok still and you can post your dreams there though.
>>2228Oh btw, /fringe/ was increased to 100 pages now, so it'll be very hard for anyone to singlehandedly spam the board to oblivion again.
>>2229>Some guy intentionally spammed /fringe/ and wiped out of most the threads on it.Bumm(p)er
>>2230Sounds good!
>demons
is a good idea perform the LBRP in the astral to banish or ride off these things?
>>2314Do you mean "Left Bumper Right Bumper"?
*mundane detected* >>2316You don't know what is the LBRP?
>>2230>100 pagesAwesome, I love you. Any chance of catalog?
>>2353I don't handle that shit. I just mess with the config. Stal is the one who can change the actual programs installed.
Does anyone else have trouble with visualization? When I close my eyes, I can't just will an image into the blackness/static of a retenal imprint. I specifically remember telling my mom not being able to picture things with my eyes closed when I was a kid, so this is nothing I'm just now discovering.
In fact, the only time I can say I might've had an AP was when I got pretty high and took a shower, where I could feel my chakras pulsating. I was able to leave my body at will while still ordering it to shower while out of body, it was fantastic, but I've never successfully done it again by repeating what I'd done nor by sober, proper means such as those presented here. It could've been just the best high I've ever had, or an insane projection that I somehow mastered by accident for a short time by using what knowledge of AP/meditation and applied it to being in an already altered state of consciousness (which may be what's holding me back right now; failure or inability to properly to meditate/manipulate, let alone feel, any internal energy whatsoever) to try and stack their effects for a guaranteed entrance. My breathing would go onto autopilot, and it seemed like I'd breathe more out of my mouth than my nose at a slower rate, my nose almost feeling numb from its lack of use.
Currently, I usually try APing later at night while laying on my back with my eyes closed. I feel that if I do it any other way I won't successfully AP, and being on my back for so long at a time isn't working out so I just get disappointed and roll onto my side and go to sleep.
>>2728>Does anyone else have trouble with visualization?No except for a period of a few hours in every 24 hour cycle the majority of the time I can visualize just fine. There's a few hours though where I lose control of my mind and I can't visualize for shit and I lose control of my thoughts and songs tend to start playing and bothering me. Btw, I've been astral projecting for about 32 hours almost non-stop except to eat right now, and probably will return to that in a moment. I use thoughtforms that are so stable and clear they are like a computer interface and jump into a complex reality from that. Lately I keep doing stuff with random number sequences to "connect" to other planes and I'm also using sigils too and I've ap'd into my own house after somehow knocking my own soul out of my body and basically temporarily dying then walking around the house not even sure if I ap'd because everything was just the same as if I were in my physical body the only difference being that at one point I noticed gravity wasn't functioning normally.
>When I close my eyes, I can't just will an image into the blackness/static of a retenal imprint. I specifically remember telling my mom not being able to picture things with my eyes closed when I was a kid, so this is nothing I'm just now discovering.That shit sucks. Maybe your third eye is damaged or something.
>In fact, the only time I can say I might've had an AP was when I got pretty high and took a shower, where I could feel my chakras pulsating. I was able to leave my body at will while still ordering it to shower while out of body, it was fantastic, but I've never successfully done it again by repeating what I'd done nor by sober, proper means such as those presented here. It could've been just the best high I've ever had, or an insane projection that I somehow mastered by accident for a short time by using what knowledge of AP/meditation and applied it to being in an already altered state of consciousness (which may be what's holding me back right now; failure or inability to properly to meditate/manipulate, let alone feel, any internal energy whatsoever) to try and stack their effects for a guaranteed entrance. My breathing would go onto autopilot, and it seemed like I'd breathe more out of my mouth than my nose at a slower rate, my nose almost feeling numb from its lack of use.The most intense APs I ever pull off feel like dying and I feel an immense force pulling my soul out.
>Currently, I usually try APing later at night while laying on my back with my eyes closed. I feel that if I do it any other way I won't successfully AP, and being on my back for so long at a time isn't working out so I just get disappointed and roll onto my side and go to sleep.Well today my most intense AP was done while on my stomach and also I have a ton of body pillows around me to ensure I feel as weightless as possible and I've taken various measures to make my room a practical sensory deprivation chamber. That might help you. I've AP'd on my back, on both my sides, and my stomach.
I guess i'll ask here seeing as how im banned from the SS forums.
Anyways, i've had 3 consecutive OBE's back in december 2012, but now i can barely focus.
2 days ago i tried once again, but the thing is, once i realised i was dreaming and just wanted to pop out of my body, my leg or arm would twitch instead in response to the though of wanting to consciouly move.
Keep in mind i wasnt awake, i was fully asleep and at the state of dreaming, and when i wanted to realise this and leave my body, my arm or leg would twitch, waking me up again
Anyone know why is this?
>>2787How the heck are you banned from /ss/? Checking the ban log to see this for myself.
>>2787>I guess i'll ask here seeing as how im banned from the SS forums.Pic related. You're not banned. Nobody is banned from anywhere right now. Perhaps you've been getting an error message such as "automated post detected; post discarded"? Yesterday I wasn't able to post on here at all, my internet was lagging a shitload, and I suspect that the site was being attacked somehow.
>Anyways, i've had 3 consecutive OBE's back in december 2012, but now i can barely focus.lel that's not much but I reckon for you and many others that's quite a bit.
>2 days ago i tried once again, but the thing is, once i realised i was dreaming and just wanted to pop out of my body, my leg or arm would twitch instead in response to the though of wanting to consciouly move.When I astral travel around my house I do so directly and it feels like dying. I don't tend to do it in stages, I just go direct from one state to the other, within seconds.
>Keep in mind i wasnt awake, i was fully asleep and at the state of dreaming, and when i wanted to realise this and leave my body, my arm or leg would twitch, waking me up againYou shouldn't about your body at all. You need to learn to think in other mediums and do some special shit. I'm getting a camera soon hopefully and I'll do videos explaining this stuff to make it easier for other people.
>Anyone know why is this?Focusing on the body snaps you into your body.
>>2792Spirit science, not /ss/
I think
>When I close my eyes, I can't just will an image into the blackness/static of a retenal imprint. I specifically remember telling my mom not being able to picture things with my eyes closed when I was a kid, so this is nothing I'm just now discovering.
Can anyone give me some insight towards this? It's a curse that bugs me on a daily basis
>>2878Try overdosing on melatonin pills once and see if that fixes it. If not – I feel very sorry for you because visualization is essential to reality manipulation / magic / astral travelling / everything.
Anyone experienced with OBE through sleep paralysis?
I've discovered this recently but it doesn't seem to be a good method, it's hard to keep stable.
What I do is, when I am completely paralysed, cannot feel my body, and have shifted into the astral (can sort of notice this), I force through the paralysis with all my strength and crawl out of my body. I end up snapping back violently. Last time I was dragged through space as if scraping against pavement back into my body, and my senses were screwed up. My vision was like looking at everything from beneath a wave pool. I wonder if you can tear yourself free if you resist the pull.
If so, what then? (couldn't you just kill yourself and accomplish the same thing? then why do the dead reincarnate instead of ascend?)
>Do not move at first.
For anyone else who has been wasting their time, this is extremely important. Don't move a bit, don't think, don't say anything until you're completely, totally there. Wait a minute if you have to. Earlier on you can move but you will feel your grasp is weak and you'll get kicked out soon. Kind of sucks when someone's already trying to interact with you, or beat your head in.
>>978>Get rid of any parasitic entities "demons" that have attached themselves to you beforehand. I had a certain kind of entity harassing me that didn't really want anything at all but to keep me out of the astral planes. It didn't want to induce fear, didn't want to hurt me, just knock me out of the astral each time I tried by directing raw energy at me as I phased in. It didn't even touch the thoughtforms I had around. Like a professional, with a purpose. Why is that? I only saw it in the form of a humanoid shadow and it never spoke.
>>3057I have pushed a friend out of the astral plane before as he I knew a seer was preparing to attack him and if he stayed there he would be prey to vampirism.
>>3057The people in control don't want everyone poking around.
>>3699>people in control>"people"I think they are more than just "people" in the sense we normally understand that word.
Fuck, I just realized what's causing my problems projecting these past months, when I had projected dozens of times before without problem. My pineal gland is getting destroyed.
A couple days ago I suddenly had a profound sense of wrongness, and flatness behind and above the roof of the mouth. I had been able to see my thoughtforms only minutes before but they became completely invisible. It came back slowly after a couple hours. It felt flat the same way my ears feel flat if they start ringing very loudly.
I've seen plenty of stuff on decalcifying the pineal gland, but is there any proof that it can be done, and it's not placebo? Any real research, or at least an explanation?
Saying 'this works because it does' is not enough.
>>3922I've had problems at times where my thoughtforms just shut off and it's hard to think at all and it's like my mind is being suppressed. Feels Bad Man.
>I've seen plenty of stuff on decalcifying the pineal gland, but is there any proof that it can be done, and it's not placebo? Any real research, or at least an explanation?Saying 'this works because it does' is not enough.
Placebo is literally magic and actually DOES heal you so placebo is as good if not better than anything.
As for the threads on the topic… oh fuck they're gone and I can't find them ;_;. I'll have to make new threads and hope I can find stuff back.
>>3923>Placebo is literally magic and actually DOES heal you so placebo is as good if not better than anything.I know, but I'd rather not eat seven lemons every day just for that.
I'd be grateful if you could find anything. I just hope the damage isn't permanent.
>>3933Hmmm well I don't have to consume citrus fruits constantly to have a functional pineal gland. Have you read the sticky books btw? There's a lot of stuff from Zivorad Mihajlovic Slavinski about the pineal gland.
>>3923>Placebo is literally magic and actually DOES heal you so placebo is as good if not better than anything.This. So many people will dismiss something as 'useless' because it was a placebo, totally ignoring the process. (And often the fact
that it actually worked, hence the term/effect.)
>>3942All people who dismiss placebo seriously need to listen to those lectures in the sticky ASAP. The supposedly useless placebo effect can do anything, it can fucking save your life from a terminal illness.
Hey umm.. Not sound stupid but I got some questions…
I got some questions.
1. What's the best way to talk to my guardian angle/angles? I have some questions for them.
2.how can you tell if a angle is a angle?
3.if I make a servitor phone in my head, could I make phones in the astral and give them to people and chat with them without being in the astral?
4.is there anything that'll make a angle get mad at you or your tulpa? Like if you or tups had a dragon form, would that make them angry?
5.Do tulpa have aura's? How hard is it to see auras?
6.Who here knows anything about Astral projecting, or HAS AP'ed before?
7.How do you bring your tulpa with you to the astral?
8.I plan on going to a sadistic flutter shys universe, becoming fully physical, and learning how to fight there….. Anything wrong with this picture?
9. More like a P.S to #8 I wouldn't live there permanently, but I would like to be physical in several different universes…… Oh to do so I'd want to intertwine my destiny with someone, not just a object…. How would one pull this off??? Also iv never AP'ed so please be pacific
10.I want to go to the astral, but I want to be safe…. What am I gonna need?
Hey umm.. Not sound stupid but I got some questions…
I got some questions.
1. What's the best way to talk to my guardian angle/angles? I have some questions for them.
2.how can you tell if a angle is a angle?
3.if I make a servitor phone in my head, could I make phones in the astral and give them to people and chat with them without being in the astral?
4.is there anything that'll make a angle get mad at you or your tulpa? Like if you or tups had a dragon form, would that make them angry?
5.Do tulpa have aura's? How hard is it to see auras?
6.Who here knows anything about Astral projecting, or HAS AP'ed before?
7.How do you bring your tulpa with you to the astral?
8.I plan on going to a sadistic flutter shys universe, becoming fully physical, and learning how to fight there….. Anything wrong with this picture?
9. More like a P.S to #8 I wouldn't live there permanently, but I would like to be physical in several different universes…… Oh to do so I'd want to intertwine my destiny with someone, not just a object…. How would one pull this off??? Also iv never AP'ed so please be pacific
10.I want to go to the astral, but I want to be safe…. What am I gonna need?
>>3977>I want to go to the astral, but I want to be safeGood luck. The higher realm is no less dangerous than this one. I hope fluttershy can train you well enough to defend yourself.
>>3979Yeah half of me wants to be Mavrick the bad ass demon slaying cat, the other half wants to be Mavrick the man who runs and pees himself at the first sign of danger cat….. I'v never AP'ed before so idk what I'll do but I got this strong feeling lil miss murder shy herself is supposed to teach me how to fight, but who knows I could be insane……. Also can you do like ghost wrighting or something before you physical in a astal plane? I'd want to ask if I could attach my destiny to someone elses before I did so….. Kinda as a courtesy I guess?
>>3981Relax, you're not insane. You aren't sane either. I call it unsanity. I'm not the best authority on astral assistance though, others ought to have better advice on that aspect. I will say you shouldn't pussyfoot around being an attacker or a scaredy-cat. If you're going to slay enemies in self-defense, let go of your fear. Fear is the mind killer, the little death. You must not fear.
>>3982Good advice…. I have a feeling if I was attacked I'd be pissed, which from my understanding is a bad? Also I would hope to be hanging with a angle for protection, and worst comes to worst battle partner…. Also it seems like iv been training myself to like….. You know in the movies when a priest throws holy water on a demon? That reaction except when something is trashing God or Christ…..is this good or bad or blah? I mean if I piss myself off I may be insighting a battle, which at the same time is that a bad thing? Besides you know possibility of loseing and having….. Well I'm not sure what happens if you lose…
>>3985I don't think you're ready to AP yet, but this is just my opinion. I suggest you try energy work or meditation first to eliminate your fear of APing and also discipline your mind
>>3977>1. What's the best way to talk to my guardian angle/angles? I have some questions for them.Why would you think that you have a bunch of "angles" assigned to you or any other class of entity specifically there for you? Just go out and meet angels and other entities in the astral and seek out their help. You don't own them, they aren't just waiting there for you specifically, but you could go out and seek their help if you can find some in the astral.
>2.how can you tell if a angle is a angle?By measuring it with something like pic related.
Angels if that's what you mean, are in my experience very powerful beings comprised of radiant light, and merely looking upon them fills you with their light and causes changes within you. Unlike many astral entities an angel has an extremely powerful aura and can totally write things into your mind and do pretty much whatever it wants to you.
>3.if I make a servitor phone in my head, could I make phones in the astral and give them to people and chat with them without being in the astral? What do you mean by this? Are you talking about telepathy?
>4.is there anything that'll make a angle get mad at you or your tulpa? Like if you or tups had a dragon form, would that make them angry?Angels are so much more transcendental and powerful. I doubt they'll get angry at you. They don't require much effort to vanquish evil from you.
>5.Do tulpa have aura's? How hard is it to see auras? I suppose that depends upon what an aura actually is according to your concept of the word.
>6.Who here knows anything about Astral projecting, or HAS AP'ed before?Me. I ap'd twice today and am very skilled in astral projection, way more than the majority of people.
>7.How do you bring your tulpa with you to the astral?Tulpas take form in the astral first and then are brought into this world. They don't seem to have much trouble following you around. You just need to design them in that way, make sure they stick around.
>8.I plan on going to a sadistic flutter shys universe, becoming fully physical, and learning how to fight there….. Anything wrong with this picture?What do you mean by becoming fully physical? The astral planes are the mental planes… full physicality is in third density, astral planes are 5th density.
>9. More like a P.S to #8 I wouldn't live there permanently, but I would like to be physical in several different universes…… Oh to do so I'd want to intertwine my destiny with someone, not just a object…. How would one pull this off??? Also iv never AP'ed so please be pacificPacific? You know that's an ocean right? If you want to be physically manifest in another place you are going to have to reach an extremely high level of ascendancy where you can just rematerialize anywhere. If you get to that point, you'll be capable of teleportation and many other amazing feats in this world here, you'll be practically a god.
>10.I want to go to the astral, but I want to be safe…. What am I gonna need?A body waiting for you in third density. Good thing you already got that. Besides that just don't give into fear.
>>3979That's bullshit. The astral planes are only a danger to your soul and nothing more. Nothing really bad is going to happen, one can always just leave if things get particularly bad.
>>3981You seem to really misunderstand the astral planes. Typically one only goes there for a few minutes or hours at a time. Sometimes a few days. Definitely not lifetimes or years, that only happens very rarely, and only to people who are extremely powerful.
>>4044I believe in just throwing people into the water and watching them thrash about until they learn to swim. AP is something that comes naturally to many people and yet how many people die in their sleep from no apparent physical causes each year? Not very many. I am sure if he gets into the astral he'll come back fine, even if he does get roughed up a little by some hostile entities.
>>4050Thats just a coincidence. It doesn't prove anything.
>>4045Well a assume a guardian angle only has One person to look after, and we all have one so I'd assume he'd be able to help me if I get my self in trouble. I had a lucid dream to day and tried to sumon one of my tulpa, I could talk to her, but she could become a "pysical" object…. managed to pull up a a mental picture for all of two seconds but she had no control over it at all and it was only half of her body……. Does this mean I have a lot of work to do before we can go to the astral together? I guess telepathy is right, If you could use it to text/ talk to someone who's third density in there plain,and while your third density you can still use the phone to talk to them as well…. As for fully physical I would want to basically just be able to interact with people form other plains, I would like it to be like I was here….. Any easier way :)? So what do I need to be versed in??? Also do you know any entities that I could contact that are good and helpfull???? And I need to know of ways of contacting them of corse……
>>4045Oh and oh can you make one of those and how do you use it??
>>4107>Well a assume a guardian angle only has One person to look after, and we all have one so I'd assume he'd be able to help me if I get my self in trouble.Can you please stop calling angels "angles"? I think the idea that any entity is waiting out there for you is so stupid and a case of unwarranted self-importance. Your "higher-self" maybe is there always and accessible to you but other entities surely got things to do besides wait around all eternity for you to contact them.
>I had a lucid dream to day and tried to sumon one of my tulpa, I could talk to her, but she could become a "pysical" object…. managed to pull up a a mental picture for all of two seconds but she had no control over it at all and it was only half of her body……. Does this mean I have a lot of work to do before we can go to the astral together?That is weird. I don't know.
>I guess telepathy is right, If you could use it to text/ talk to someone who's third density in there plain,and while your third density you can still use the phone to talk to them as well….plane* not "plain".
>As for fully physical I would want to basically just be able to interact with people form other plains, I would like it to be like I was here….. Any easier way :)? So what do I need to be versed in??? Also do you know any entities that I could contact that are good and helpfull???? And I need to know of ways of contacting them of corse……There are an infinite number of entities to potentially contact. I don't know how to stay in touch with them. I just go and look around and see what I can find. I think I found a way to stay in the astral btw for an extended period of time… you have to go there and accept the reality as your true reality, the only one, and start to forget about this one. I did that awhile ago and managed to say in the astral a really long time as a result, like days.
>>4108>Oh and oh can you make one of those and how do you use it??What?
I just remembered in a door in my house something scratched Jamison in a door…… I was young, but I have lived in this house since I was born…. Now a friend said that someone had like a party or something (a bunch of teens or something) and that probably used some sort of paint that would "appear at a latter date" and that's what it was….. But I know no one would have done it in my house hold, and I had to have lived there for at least 6-8 years….. So what kinda of entity could have done that? Also after that we had our gas stove turn on randomly, while it was a older stove, there's no way a nob can turn itself… after a while it stopped and nothing has happened since…. Oh I just remembered when my dad first moved in he heard what sounded like a bowling ball droping every night….. And that my older sister used to play with the weegee (I know wrong spelling I don't know how to spell it right :( ) and he had to take it away from her…… But that was before my time. Buut for the most part the noises have stopped, but I heard them before so I know there real but idk what could make them….. Any clues? I don't know if I'll run into Jamison and if I do if he'll be friendly, I think he would be, and would like to be friends so how would I talk to him whatever he may be… Unless he's evil….. Oh and sorry if the above sounds like scrambled info, most of this stuff
>>4127Well then whats one way of contacting astral people? I mean if I travel to X reality do I just go 2 spooky and levitate a pen in front of there faces and start writeing? Or is it a bit more complex then that?
How to make one of those things In that pic….
Oh and aliens what in your opinion is true about aliens?
>>691>You can possess people and have access to there memorys.>Latter>dont let anything possess youWell if someone lets you possess them there doing wrong, but you aren't smarting them up…. Oh can you take and make a permanent copy of someone or somethings memories?
Any stories on astral travel? I only traveled when I was little.
"Some occult practices like advanced astral projection or deep trance meditations require a vegetarian diet at least in the days or weeks leading up to it. Usual explanation is that meat lowers your vibration and therefore you can’t pull these maneuvers with such lowered vibes. But that’s only a small part of it. Rather, it’s the same reason fasting is recommended — because the body must be made weak through starvation and malnutrition, so that the soul and spirit can more easily detach and do their thing. The stronger the body, the greater its “magnetic” pull on the soul."
I have been APing all my life and also always been depressed and quite suicidal much of my life and not that great health. I've noticed that ever since improving my health a lot it's harder to AP, although I obviously can still do it, because I am so experienced in it. I go on a waster fast now if I am having a lot of trouble and that makes it easier. AP is like a little or partial death, you want to release your soul from your body. So if any of you are having a fuckload of trouble and have already built up your subtle body and can visualize very well and so on but just can't seem to detach your astral body and project it, try fasting, and spend your whole time just meditating and focusing on one intent only which is to AP.
>>6646That's quoted out of Montalk's Q&A btw.
Do you start out naked in the astral or do you have the clothes you were wearing with you?
>>6665Your astral projection is shaped by Residual Self Image. You most likely will not be naked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGZiLMGdCE0&hd=1It's quite literally like this scene here.
Most people by default their astral bodies will be their ideal self but you can change your astral body to appear and function however you want it to.
I tried to like this board but you guys are morons. I never run into demons people trying to possess me or anything even remotely similar. Want to know why? Because I dont beleive in those kinds of things. Any amateur shaman could tell you that. As an unlimited being its important to fully own your power and not give it away by beleiving in things like posession and astral hierarchy. If youre addicted to strughle thats another thing entirely and needs to be worked through on your own. Namaste
>>6725Wow I sounded like a cunt in that. You get the idea though. I mean the best though. By telling people to expect all these nasty things youre undoubtedly leading people WILDLY astray who are new to the astral. The whole point is to work through your own issues not those of others that you picked up on an internet forum.
>>6726It's not about expecting them, it's about being prepared.
>>6727You dont have to be prepared for something that just doesnt happen. Youre planting seeds in peoples minds. Black magic works like this, you can only be affected by it if youve been indulging in it yourself.
Heres an elaborate explanation on the rules of psychic warefare by one of the few living magus that walk the Earth today. Hes helped me through a lot of sticking points
http://www.viking-z.org/r05i.htm >>6729But it does happen, regardless of what you think.
>>6729It does happen, you must not experiencing astral projection but lucid dreaming.
You are not an unlimited being and not all powerful, there are things out there more powerful than us.
>>6725If you don't believe I can punch you will that stop me?
>>6736>implying LD and AP aren't the same thing (but of course, if he's LDing it's onto a plane of his own, and he's not actually connecting with other entities and therefore can't be hurt by anything because the freewill factor is gone as he's just playing with his own creations) No its very simple I dont attract such entities in the first place, and believe me I used to so frequently I was nearly afraid of my own shadow for a certain dark period of my life
>>6736I'm sorry you believe that. This place isn't worth your time if any earnest seekers are out there reading through this. Work on clearing yourself and the teacher will appear when it's time
>>6802Bitchslap me in the astral planes or fuck off mundane.
I'm not afraid of ANYTHING in this world or in the astral, I do come across things that would disturb others, but they don't frighten me at all and can hardly steal my loosh.
>>6806The wise words of an enlightened master
>>6808You are properly enlightened when you get down to bitchslapping and being bitchslapped in the astral.
So I astral projected for the first time last night.
I didn't even leave my house though, because I looked outside and saw this big guardian dude just staring at my house.
I looked out front and saw a bunch of red etheric lines as well.
Not sure what it means but I figure I'm not ready to explore the astral realms. Perhaps I was projecting my fear.
>>6990Nice dude, I am still trying myself. How long did it take you?
Keep going there and try to remember it is not a huge fearful place, you can escape danger. But don't be fooled because I have heard there are some things you don't want to fuck with there.
I have decided to write up a new guide because since I wrote the previous one I have come a long way and developed a variety of new techniques I use.
The previous one is good but mostly for going to place far away. This new one is specifically for getting out of your body in your own room OBE style.
Alright so here's…
Motion-based Astral Projection:
The first thing you're going to need to do is some kind of repetitive motions, exercises, whatever. Probably a variety of stretches, push-ups, pull-ups, walking forward in long deliberate strides, or spinning around. Sit-ups will be an especially good idea as well. The whole time you do this, keep a clear mind and focus on nothing but the motion, now pick a specific one you're going to use later to AP and repeat it over & over & over endlessly for hours if necessary until exhaustion. You should really feel the motion and have that motion burned into your mind, never think about anything else, just feel like you can't stop repeating it. Feel like even when you stop you are STILL doing it. Every once in awhile, perhaps every 10-15 minutes, you can stop your physical body moving but your mind must still feel as if you are moving. You can start with eyes open if you like but you should eventually close your eyes. You could also do various martial arts throws and other things if you like for this. Whatever. Lets say you're spinning and then you stop spinning and you still feel like you're spinning. Then you've succeeded. The more clearly you can get the feeling of space and motion into your mind the better.
The other thing you need to do is develop your subtle body. I hope you've already done the previous stuff but lets say you haven't. Well this is what you're going to do.
1. Assume a comfortable position laying down, standing up but still, or sitting… whatever the fuck it don't matter, just need to be able to relax a lot.
2. Look straight ahead at some point that you can focus without turning your head at all. You don't really want to have your neck turned I find. Look at it and don't think about anything, keep your mind clear, and keep your focus on that thing and bring it into your mind.
3. Close your eyes without the image of that thing disappearing. Keep your mind clear.
4. If you want, visualize a bunch of thoughtforms for awhile, like numbers and shapes and whatever else, and rotate them and place them in different positions relative to the point you were focused on.
5. Now shift your focus towards the very centre of your brain (location of pineal gland) and then shift it to the very back of the head then the front (roughly between eyebrows but a little upwards) and shift that focus a couple times, eventually resting either on the centre or the front-centre.
^ this is basic and will be repeated again later.
6. Now you need to focus on a shadowy outline of a body, then you may fill it in and make it more substantial to you, build it up as much as you can then have it move towards you can converge upon your physical body. You have just created your astral body / subtle body and merged with it. Even if you already have an astral body, doing this repeatedly will make your astral body stronger.
Then do all of this:
1. Assume a comfortable position laying down, standing up but still, or sitting… whatever the fuck it don't matter, just need to be able to relax a lot.
2. Look straight ahead at some point that you can focus without turning your head at all. You don't really want to have your neck turned I find. Look at it and don't think about anything, keep your mind clear, and keep your focus on that thing and bring it into your mind.
3. Close your eyes without the image of that thing disappearing. Keep your mind clear.
4. If you want, visualize a bunch of thoughtforms for awhile, like numbers and shapes and whatever else, and rotate them and place them in different positions relative to the point you were focused on.
5. Now shift your focus towards the very centre of your brain (location of pineal gland) and then shift it to the very back of the head then the front (roughly between eyebrows but a little upwards) and shift that focus a couple times, eventually resting either on the centre or the front-centre.
6. Now feel motion and feel yourself moving around. Your physical body as much as possible should not be felt, it should have gone numb or be totally relaxed, forget about it. What you're going to do is make yourself feel like you're moving around the room, moving your astral arms, trying to sit up, etc. all without actually moving your physical body. Eventually what happens is you literally just fall out of your physical body and now you're free to roam around your room and do whatever you want because you're in the astral / etheric planes / 4th density. From there you have to be really careful though how you navigate in order to actually do remote viewing and so on like if you try to walk away from your house you might walk into another plane, you want to make an intentional effort to be seeing the third density Earth as it is, but while in your astral form. This way you can then go remote view people, remote influence, etc.!!!
Here are some motions you can practise and focus on. You can go roll around somewhere, maybe a field, whatever and stay really focused on the feeling of rolling. Then you can apply that later to roll out of your body… or you can go into your bed and practising sitting up and then getting out of bed, then lay back down, then get back up, and repeat this maybe a hundred times and you can use the feeling of that motion to escape… or you can just try walking around and feeling the air and feeling it all and then when it comes time to AP you'll focus on walking around your room until you're literally walking around your room in astral form.
Try this out and tell me if it works for you /fringe/! It's all about the feel motion, the feel of actually being there, and takes things a step further than merely visualizing. Also if you skip out on any visualization what will happen is that you'll move outside of your body and you'll feel like you're grasping around at air or whatever but you won't see anything at first and it'll take awhile for you to be able to see the astral and you might have a difficult time "opening up your astral eye". You might at first have to crawl on the ground and look at things up close and then you can back away a bit and see more at once until the blurriness and blackness goes away and you see the astral of your room clearly.
>>7019You could also do this… find somewhere that you want to walk around and walk at a very rhythmic very steady stride. Keep your mind clear and keep extremely focused on the feeling of walking. Maybe have your eyes closed. Then every once in awhile physically come to a stand still but see if you can mentally feel as if you are continuing to walk forward. Eventually the result will be that you walk out of your body and your physical body is just standing there behind you. It's quite a simple technique and I would really like it if some other fringe wizards would try this out and tell me if they succeed with it and tell me of their experiences. You could even be walking to a class or to work or something and you could put this technique into practise by keeping a super steady stride and just pausing once in awhile but continuing to walk mentally forward.
Wow. This thread is amazing. Quick question, are the astral planes a way to travel to other realities? According to other sources, I should be able to make myself disappear and re-appear on the enterprise if I wanted, but that doesn't seem to work for a whole lot of people.
>>7343If you can imagine it, you can go there.
Fuck going to a place like that though, the Astral Planes have planes of existence far more complex, deep, and beautiful than any of our science fiction writers have written.
Simplest method:
1.Sleep for 6 hours
2.Stay awake for 10-60 mins while mentally reassuring yourself you will wake up in cycles and attempt to project.
3.Go to bed and upon waking up don't move and use any projection technique (for example imagining your body spinning, imagining swimming, imagining rubbing your hands together etc.)
Even if you don't manage to project upon waking up you will most likely end up in a lucid dream after.
>>7392I can confirm this method works and it's really easy to perform. I tried many AP techiniques for the past months and had very few successfull attempts, but with this method I got it on my first try.
Definitely try this if you're looking to AP, it might work for you just as it did for me.
>>7392>>7458That technique is described in
The Book of Knowledge. Whoever wrote that book really knew his shit.
Two more methods.
Number one:
Tense and relax every single muscle in your body atleast 30 times, and then feel a relaxing wave surge through your body until you reach sleep paralysis. From there projecting is simply a matter of moving your astral body.
Number two
Before falling asleep, take two psychoactives with opposite effects of drowsiness - nicotine patch and a mild sedative like Valium, bourbon/vodka/etc and energy drink.
Not quite clean but effortless.
I couldn't resist the urge to fap last night. I tried to project the same night and came very close but couldn't disconnect my head from my body. Did I lose most of my energy from fapping?
>>7929Pretty sure its in the sticky
>>8895Got pretty close to success with this yesterday, going to try every day now.
>>1109THIS.
This is the kind of experiences I fear! False awakings, what will happen if I NEVER return to my body after astral projecting (and I'm a guy who astral projects accidentaly most of the times)!
>>9657>what will happen if I NEVER return to my body after astral projectingThen you're fucking lucky as shit. I've been trying to escape my body and not be returned to it forever and yet still I am back in my body yet again. I don't want to ever return!
>>691Hello,
I've been trying for over a year to ap, but no success, not even a sleep paralysis till date. I've tried many books, exercises, musics and tips but nothing seems to work. I meditate daily before sleeping and sometimes during the day. I have okish dream recall.
So i guess what im asking is, any advice?
I smoke mj daily, and i think i should try a month off it?
How much time did it take you? Have you heard of people taking years to get the hang of it?
Thank you, im going to sleep now, hoping tonight is the night.
>>10132Work on thoughtforms, create an astral body, project your consciousness into it, then you're good.
You can also project your spirit and/or mind into bodies present in this world… something I've been working on lately. Right now I just hop in without disturbing things much but later on if I project also my mind in then I will be able to possess them and use them.
Stop using drugs, they inhibit spiritual growth, in the same way a person who uses antibiotic soap all the fucks over their immune system.
AP came to me naturally before I even knew what it was… so it's not so hard for me to do.
>>4047You stole this, didn't you.
>>933Ever heard of synesthesia? People sometimes hear colors, or see sounds. I know that's not how it works, but it's the brains exact interpretation of a certain form of stimulus, translated into the form of another sense's stimulus, and experienced. So you can visualize weightlessness. That said, it sounded like the person you're replying to meant that he imagined himself to be undergoing a sensation of weightlessness, which would be visualizing himself experiencing this. If he is adept at what he's doing, he may have visualized himself experiencing this while simultaneously experiencing it. Or it was synesthesia.
I am not really sure if this was astral projection or lucid dreaming but I am going to share it with you.
I start going to sleep but really just start watching my thoughts as a TV fully aware I am in bed. At one moment I heard a pop and everything became FULL HD and in colour with surround sound and I could walk around that place and touch my face and all that stuff but I always freaked out and woke myself up on purpose. That happened 2 times in a week and it was real fun but is it what I need?
>>10134This is piss poor advice.
>If you want to AP just AP, now let me talk about me for a bit >>11648This
It rustles my jimmies when someone says 'I just do it, as simple as that'
>>11648>>11649…but that's not at all what I said to you.
You need to:
1. Work on thoughtforms. Aka spend hours and hours creating thoughtforms in your mind through visualization and also using other properties that you add to them.
2. Create an astral body. This is going to be the body you use in the astral which you project your consciousness into. Do this by doing exercises like feeling your astral arm and moving it around and grasping things without actually moving your physical body.
3. If you want to ap to somewhere in you room, project your astral body into your room, then load up your consciousness in it (this sort of happens together). If you want to ap somewhere else altogether then just think of that place. If you want to go explore at random, project a sequence of thoughts that trigger a response from the astral that you don't think of (sometimes this is done by focusing on a sigil until some random other thought which is actually connected to the sigil comes into mind and draws you into it).
4. If you want to hijack someone else's body then spend a long time imagining yourself in their body, feeling yourself take over their body, feeling the vibration and feeling yourself moving their arms and legs and so on. In this way you can possess someone then use their body for whatever you want. Doing a similar thing you can also complete the transmigration of the soul and if you wanted you could go assume a female body of someone in this world for example and take control of their life and feel what it's like to be them, this is one way to achieve pseudo-immortality btw.
5. Don't use drugs, they're a crutch, and you won't learn to control your own mind through the will if you resort to drugs.
How can I possibly make this more clear? Go read the threads in the sticky.
>>11649Note other properties that can be added to thoughtforms are physics, certain behaviours, the property of space, heat, plasticity, smell, intelligence, and other physical or mental properties which can all be assigned to it.
The astral body most people create is usually just like their physical body except it's absolutely perfect in every way — an ideal form.
Belief is also important. If you believe others do this, if you get the inspiration from others, and you think you can do it yourself — then you will do it. Crush any doubts and use emotional alchemy to overcome your limitations (since emotions help you get past your rationally imposed limitations). Also practise a regular scrambling of your thoughts in which you think absurd and impossible things for so long that you relax your apprehensions and shortcomings and get over them — this can help you with anything including physically and mentally performing better. Here's an example of creative irrational thinking: >>6
As you can see the thoughts are quite creative yet unpredictable, stringing together random unrelated concepts in strange ways, mimicking the odd way dreams often work. This controlled madness can help you get into the state of dreaming while awake and if you pull things off correctly you can still remember your goals and to do constructive and purposeful things while immersed in this "madness" at the same time.
There are many mental and physical exercises that will all help you with your magic including with astral projection.
If you encounter a shadowy being that appears to not be all there, use a mirror to view it. You will see who or what it is clearly.
fuck guys, could I please get some feedback?
I just attempted it, and I think I've realized my fundamental flaw, which is not properly getting my body relaxed, but I think I have a full-proof way to do that now.
Is it possible that there are some sort of guides/entities of any sort monitoring my progress? I might be imagining this but as I laid down and started to meditate I just "felt" a presence there, and thoughts rushed into my head that they were trying to check my progress.
Secondly about the actual attempt itself, I got relaxed, and eventually got into some sort of zone, consciousness-wise, and I felt like I was there, the proverbial lift-off point for my airplane, and the blackness that was in my head started to get brighter, like to the point of whiteness('the light' before death?) and my heart started beating faster but I intentionally did not allow myself to get excited. I felt a slight sort of moving forward motion, but just not fucking cigar. Why? and I know I sound generic as fuck asking this but: was this a sign I was close to projecting? Am I close?
I've left my body before waking from a dream spontaneously but that wasn't a conscious descision. I saw myself sleeping facedown on my bed, and not physically, but sensation-wise, felt like air, or more accurately like a ghost, and that's the feeling I normally try to replicate when projecting and I get a sort-of-close feeling to it but not quite there. it's frustrating honestly I feel like a dunce in a wizard class.
thirdly, I normally experience homicidal thought and fantasies but after experiencing this just now I'm not feeling that TOO much, do spiritual practices/magick really produce some sort of compassion in you from fugging thin air? what about satanism and black magick then?
sorry for asking too much, this is something and probably the only thing that could give core, concrete meaning and also emotion and feeling to my existence. please get back to me and help me fix my mistakes.
Easy method that works for me:
Lay down in a comfortable position. Release all of your muscles, all of them, same way as you do when you try other methods of meditation. Start breathing. Don't take a deep breathes yet, take normal breathes. Feel the pleasure and the relaxation at each inhalation and exhalation. Keep doing so for some time then start taking bigger and bigger breathes. More and more pleasure and relaxation. You should feel your heart beating and you may feel warmth in it. Keep going. Then you will see that your breathing become automatic and that you start spinning. Keep feeling more and more relaxation, let it be automatic. Then your vision should start getting whiter. You should maybe feel like you were inside a spiral. I am not asking you to imagine the spiral. Just breath and relax extremely. Forget your body. Let your mind detach from it. At that moment, you should see light at the corner of your vision and your eyes should start moving really fast automatically. Exactly same way as they do when you're dreaming during your sleep! You may feel like they are opening and prevent them from doing so out of fear that it can fuck up the whole process, but it won't. These eyes are not the same as your real eyes. Let them open and the light in the corner of your vision should start getting bigger and bigger. Let it grow.. Then imagine a place and you should start seeing it really vividly!
>>14288i have a fucking crappy english
>>978> to transcend the usual verbal form of thought,Interesting.
I actually sort of think in a non-verbal way, a kind of intuitive or just immediately understand way that is extremely hard to explain.
And when I was a teen I thought that I was somehow disadvantaged that I don't think verbally, or visually, etc, and even practiced methods of thinking verbally, at first it was weird to hear an inner voice at any time other than when reading.
But after a few years or so I started to think verbally more, but now I understand that when I was only thinking non-verbally, through a sort of intuitive sense alone, it was easier and simpler and much faster for me to grasp things kinda, although in some cases it wasn't.
It's very odd, is non-verbal thinking advantageous? What is this non-verbal method of thinking anyways, does it have a name?
I was always interested in metacognition to a degree, I always wondered what would be different with my life if I was a primarily visual thinker/learner or auditory/verbal/non-verbal etc, it's very interesting.
Although now I think I am primarily non-verbal, but more than incidentally verbal and visual thinker and rarely auditory.
>>17600>non-verbal method>have a nameReally? Of course it doesn't.
>>17602There must be some research or studies regarding metacognition that can clarify or classify it further though.
Off to google
>>17608>JewgleYou better switch to DuckDuckGo.
>>17619>DuckDuckGoYou better switch to Ixquick.
I ao'd the other day.
I kept thinking that i should find someway to project, and I continued trying the failed method of the rope or the imaigning numbers or things.
I started with dots. Dots simmilar to the ones found on dice or playing cards, and i just created more dots, then more dots, and i created six or seven dots, my mind knew it was seven but i never counted. After failing to ap with this but getting pleasing visualization results.
I thought, why don't i just fly out of my body? And i did.
The next thing i saw was a million stars and a huge white moon, a big big beuaitufl silver shining moon so huge it looked like a planet. I turned around to see the sun and before I cold think i was back in my body.
I did good, and have alot of poower, but now i need control.
>>17622Why? DDG is better, respects privacy, gets better results, and IxQuick and DDG are both Jewish. All search engines are Jewish. Just think of DDG are the secret jew search engine that jews use to do searches the goyim must not find out about! While the stupid goyim continue to use Jewgle…
>>3977>AnglesIt's angels mate.
I need help APing
I have a chronic rhinitis and my nose is always congested resulting to a difficult time doing breathing meditation. Can anyone give me advise on this?
>>17652I have the same problem. The solution; fuck pranayama, try to keep your mouth closed at all times, and once in awhile work yourself up enough to get both nostrils unclogged and do some hardcore pranayama preferably after drinking hot green tea for about 15 minutes and maybe longer sometimes but otherwise fuck it. Do other meditations.
I AP no problem at all despite my breathing problems. You don't need to do breath meditation for AP.
>>17662thanks
this is my main reason why I can't get to relax while APing
>>17665I am sick right now and just spent most of last night awake because I couldn't fucking breath except by manually forcing it, so I couldn't sleep, as I had to make an effort to keep breathing or else suffocate. Eventually I did sleep and when I blew my nose again after waking there was a lot of blood in my nose.
>>17652>>17662Has any of you heard about or tried yoga neti? It's inserting a string in your nostril and taking it from the mouth. That's how it's described in Hatha Yoga Pradipika, but people nowadays do it with a physiological solution, and before being able to take it from the mouth, they do it from one nostril to the other.
>>17600>non-verbal thoughtYou might want to read about Hellen Keller's experiences, knowing the world with just her sense of touch before her mind not being occupied with language yet.
>>17673Of course I know of her and her ordeal.
But the thing I am talking about is not quite like that.
Like it felt like a way of thinking that is faster than talking to yourself, some sort of intuitiveness and immediateness to the thought.
If that describes it better.
I notice that I still do think in this method but my thinking is now also interspersed with verbal thought, which is both an advantage and disadvantage in some ways.
But I'm not sure really, metacognition is damn tricky subject.
>>17640honestly i get better results with jewgle
ddg always shows me irrelevant shit
>Most who engage in sex will end up being disconnected from the astral planes pretty quick so if you don't want to shorten your visit don't muh dick around!
>tfw you learned this the hard (doho) way
>>691I definitely think I've been getting closer to the AP.
One recent time I was in bed tranced out, felt some vibes, and felt like my hands were separating and moving around. Next I felt like someone was rubbing my thighs, butt, Muladhara area very gently. I felt my head separate and turned my astral head to my right to look at who was touching me, and I saw a beautiful woman kneeling on my bedside table, smiling seductively face to face with me. My astral right hand turned over to palm up position because I wanted to hold her hand.
I came out of trance and wrote this down, but I think I was so close and I noticed an astral being with me, so pretty good try, eh?
How do I visualize a number without saying it in my head… I can see the numbers, but I can't help myself from saying them.
Also I always seem to have DILDs, how can I convert my Lucid Dreams into Astral Projections? They both stem from the hypnacognic(?) state between sleep and awake so there must be a way of converting my lucid dreams.
>>17913Start by humming or saying a mantra while visualizing. After you can control that, try it without.
