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Rune Magic Thread 03/17/14 (Mon) 18:35:19 No. 4069

Let us discuss and collect all things related to ancient norse rune magic in this thread.

Going to start with this link:

http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.runemagic.kummer.htm

Rune-magic is the great knowledge of cosmic energies, the recognition of hidden energies of nature, of the subtle heavenly, as well as earthly streams, waves, entities, and powers. All forms of higher wisdom, all secret knowledge of the world, are but fragments, and through the course of time have been for the most part distorted and corrupted; but at one time it had its origin in the divine, Aryan magic of the Runes. All languages of the world are derived from the Aryo-Germanic mother-tongue, which is both magical and alive. The Germanic Runic script is the script of all scripts. Runes are not just letters or verbal symbols, but primal symbols of a living magical nature which whisper to us. These may be experienced physically through Runic postures and dances and are useful for your own well-being and even for the blessing of all mankind. Whoever physically forms and experiences the Runes in a pure and conscious manner, will have great secrets opened to him, if he practices, vibrates, and dances in the radio waves, subtle currents and flowing energies of the All. Accompanying ideal higher development, clairvoyance, astral perceptions, heightened psychic ability and prophetic vision will arise in the Runer, in the practitioner.

In the small manuscript before you I can give only a few gems from the great treasure trove of Aryan wisdom and Rune-magic, but these will be of great use to the reader and will lead him into the Way of the Grail. To anyone who has greater interest in Runic history, magic and mysteries I recommend my work, Heilige Runenmacht. [1]

The following exercises and instructions may be undertaken only with noble and pure thoughts – the blessings of the Runes will not fail.
Hail him who learns it!
Hail him who teaches it!
Therefore take advantage of
The blessing, ye who hear it! [2]

This guy was greenpilled as fuck 03/17/14 (Mon) 18:41:51 No.4070>>4074

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Rudolf John Gorsleben (16 March 1883 – 23 August 1930) was a German Ariosophist, Armanist (practitioner of the Armanen runes), journal editor and playwright.

Gorsleben was born in Metz. During World War I, he fought in a German unit stationed in the Ottoman Empire. He formed the Edda Society (Edda-Gesellschaft) and wrote the book Hoch-Zeit der Menschheit (The Zenith of Humanity), first published in 1930. It is known as "The Bible of Armanism" and has been translated into English by Karl Hans Welz.

Quotes

"The healing power of medical drugs is the Ur-power of their original essence in conjunction with the power of Ur-vibrations of the human-Divine combination that is composed of body, soul and spirit." - Hoch-Zeit der Menschheit (English edition)

"With the introduction of Runic knowledge the generation of our days can achieve the control of secret powers within the life of their soul and reach the Spring-Root, which is the Whole of the Runes, the All-Raune, which opens all spiritual treasures to us, if we are Children of the Sunday, Children of the Sun, Children ("Kinder") of the Ar (Eagle, Sun), announcers ("Künder") of the Ar, people knowledgeable ("Könner" in modern German) of the Ar, Ar-koner, persons knowledgeable in the Ar-Kana (Arkana = arcane wisdom) or if we strive to become all of the above. The Runes have their own lives, they are true magical signs, from which we can draw the Spirit to Advise and the Courage to Action." - Hoch-Zeit der Menschheit (English edition)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_John_Gorsleben#Written_works

03/17/14 (Mon) 18:44:38 No.4071

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>A show talking about the Younger Futhark, and the Rune poems associated with it.
>In terms of Esoteric Runology, you will want to hear this episode more than once!

1:30 hours in length, oh boy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtGRDa_WsAo

03/17/14 (Mon) 19:29:47 No.4074>>4076

>>4070
Are runes of a divine origin? Is there a really good explanation as to their power and why they should be preferred to other alphabets?

03/17/14 (Mon) 19:30:17 No.4075

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03/17/14 (Mon) 19:35:12 No.4076>>4088

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>>4074
>Hávamál

>The Words of Odin, the High One

>from the Elder/Poetic Edda

All will prove true that thou askest of runes –
those that are come from the gods,
which the high Powers wrought, and which Odin painted:
then silence is surely best.

Odin's Quest after the Runes (verses 137-144)

137.
I trow I hung on that windy Tree
nine whole days and nights,
stabbed with a spear, offered to Odin,
myself to mine own self given,
high on that Tree of which none hath heard
from what roots it rises to heaven.
138.
None refreshed me ever with food or drink,
I peered right down in the deep;
crying aloud I lifted the Runes
then back I fell from thence.

141.
Hidden Runes shalt thou seek and interpreted signs,
many symbols of might and power,
by the great Singer painted, by the high Powers fashioned,
graved by the Utterer of gods.

03/17/14 (Mon) 19:39:54 No.4077

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In the Poetic Edda poem Rígsþula another origin is related of how the runic alphabet became known to man. The poem relates how Ríg, identified as Heimdall in the introduction, sired three sons (Thrall (slave), Churl (freeman) and Jarl (noble)) on human women. These sons became the ancestors of the three classes of men indicated by their names.

When Jarl reached an age when he began to handle weapons and show other signs of nobility, Rig returned and, having claimed him as a son, taught him the runes.

In 1555, the exiled Swedish archbishop Olaus Magnus recorded a tradition that a man named Kettil Runske had stolen three rune staffs from Odin and learned the runes and their magic.

03/17/14 (Mon) 19:44:27 No.4078>>4079

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Runes are creative energies. Consequently, they act fast and very powerfully. You can trigger them easily. Many of our students have experienced desired results fast, often overnight. Since the Runes represent creative energies, they can help you to overcome negative karma.

Unlike many religious belief systems, RUNES ARE LIFE-AFFIRMATIVE. RUNE PRACTICE IS APPLIED METAPHYSICS. With Rune practice, YOU UNFOLD YOUR NATURAL ABILITIES that you have had all your life, but of which you may never have been aware. Runes allow you to flex your psychic muscle in the same way others may take advantage of their wealth, prestige, or position on the ladder of social success. If you are enjoying this latter advantage already, Runes can certainly boost your position and help you get still further ahead!

Rune Masters believe that EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS A RIGHT TO HAPPINESS, health, peace of mind, prosperity, and abundance. There is enough out there to satisfy everyone. Rune Masters see it as their obligation to help others achieve that to which they are entitled. Rune Masters emphasize that a belief system, or religion, which concerns itself in the main with the IF AND WHEN at the expense of the HERE AND NOW is not worth any serious consideration. If you are unable to control your HERE AND NOW, you have no hope for the IF AND WHEN! The BASIC RUNE COURSE will teach you the means of taking care of your present situations, or challenges, be they emotional, material, mental, or spiritual.

Above all, Rune Masters will emphasize practical, hands-on experience. We leave the teaching of lots of dogmas and "secret wisdom lessons", which you are supposed to accept blindly at the expense of direct evidence, to the twisted minds of the templemasters who are presiding over the all-too-many "ancient lodges" of our times. Whenever it is necessary to present you with a theory, we follow the principle to keep it simple! Furthermore, we will never demand that you believe us blindly. In the BASIC RUNE COURSE and in all other courses that I have written, you will find the means of checking for the truth in what you learn.


Runic Practice Will Help You Achieve Rapidly:

General Self Improvement
Spiritual Advancement
Experience of the Creative - Divine
Oneness with the Higher Self
Use of your Healing Powers
Capability to give Rune Readings
Increase of your Psychic Powers
Protection Against Attacks
Understanding of Karma and Past Life Recalls
Changing your Destiny for the Better
Effective Help for Others
Success and Power
Peace of Mind and Emotional Balance
Awakening of your Chakras
Attraction of Love and Friendship
Financial Blessings and Prosperity
And Much More!

03/17/14 (Mon) 19:54:51 No.4079>>4080

>>4078
That sounds like an entire system of magic and not just runes.

Do you use this system yourself?

03/17/14 (Mon) 20:11:18 No.4080

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>>4079
Not as of now, but i have a great interest (and inner urge) to study and explore the ancient thulean ways of the ancestors.

03/17/14 (Mon) 20:14:49 No.4081>>4082

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Siegfried Adolf Kummer was born in 1899 and was one of the pioneers of operative Runic studies in the early part of the 20th century. Little is known of his life or of his fate in the wake of the historical events of the Nazi era. He, along with Friedrich Bernhard Marby, was criticized by name in a report made to Heinrich Himmler by his chief esoteric runologist Karl Maria Wiligut. But what his fate was is unknown.

His book, 'Runen-Magie' (available here or here as afree PDF) and here to buy) was first published in 1933 as a part of the Germanische Scfiriftenfolge [Teutonic Writings Series]. It is to some extent a practical condensation of his larger work, Heilige Runenmacht (available here) published in 1932.

To understand Kummer's work completely, you will have to understand the magical world of Guido von List
(1848-1919), the grandfather of the Germanic magical revival. The best introduction to List's ideas can be found in The Secret of the Runes, translated and introduced by Stephen E. Flowers in 1988. Also my Rune Might (Llewellyn, 1989) contains a historical and practical introduction to that world of Armanic rune magic generally pioneered by List. Kummer's work largely belongs to that school of occult thinking prevalent in Germany during the first few decades of the 20th century which is sometimes called "Ariosophy" today.

(This is a term coined by Lanz von Liebenfels based on analogy with the other "-sophies" of the day: Theosophy and Anthroposophy.) But more specifically Kummer identified himself as an Armanist, the school founded by Guido von List. Three of the most important general tenets of Armanism are:

03/17/14 (Mon) 20:16:58 No.4082

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>>4081
1) All dualities, such as those between the body and the soul, or between humanity and nature, are both real at one level and only apparent at another. There is a singular essence, but it finds itself in differing conditions, which cause it to appear in various forms. But the conditions are in turn also real. This is the key to why techniques for the modification of physical conditions (eugenics, gymnastics, etc.) are seen in spiritual terms by Armanists.

2) All things in the cosmos are subject to a threefold cyclical process of Arising-Being-Passing away to new Arising: Birth-Life-Death/Rebirth. This is the key to the evolution of the individual and of the ethnic unit.

3) Ancient Armanic cultural features were not wiped out by the coming of Christianity—but found refuge in the symbolism used by the church itself and in folk customs. Today these await decoding that they may once again live in their rightful place.

The idea of "Ariosophy" as such also involves the Theosophical notion of there being an evolutionary process at the leading edge of which the "Aryan" stands. Ariosophy also includes the specific idea that there was a time period in which "god-men" and "beast-men" existed as separate species, but that at a certain time in the distant past they began to interbreed—resulting in the present form of homo sapiens. Ariosophy preaches the necessity of "breeding out" the"beast-man" characteristics to return to the former divine state of the "god-man." There are several statements made, or sentiments expressed, by S. A. Kummer in the text of Rune-Magic which might be found to be "offensive".

http://www.geocities.ws/odinistlibrary/OLArticles/Articles/SiegfriedAdolfKummer.htm

03/17/14 (Mon) 20:24:04 No.4084

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Historically it is known that the Germanic peoples used various forms of divination and means of reading omens. Tacitus (Germania 10) gives a detailed account (98AD):

They attach the highest importance to the taking of auspices and casting lots. Their usual procedure with the lot is simple. They cut off a branch from a nut-bearing tree and slice it into strips these they mark with different signs and throw them at random onto a white cloth. Then the state's priest, if it is an official consultation, or the father of the family, in a private one, offers prayer to the gods and looking up towards heaven picks up three strips, one at a time, and, according to which sign they have previously been marked with, makes his interpretation. If the lots forbid an undertaking, there is no deliberation that day about the matter in question. If they allow it, further confirmation is required by taking auspices.[1]

It is often debated whether "signs" refers specifically to runes or to other marks; both interpretations are plausible and Tacitus does not give enough detail for a definite decision to be made.[2]

http://pagan.wikia.com/wiki/Runic_divination

Besides the "victory runes" mentioned in the Sigrdrífumál, the Poetic Edda also seems to corroborate the magical significance of the runes the Hávamál where Odin mentions runes in contexts of divination, of healing and of necromancy.

The Ansuz and Tiwaz runes in particular seem to have had magical significance in the early (Elder Futhark) period.

A few Viking Age rings with runic inscriptions of apparently magical nature were found, among them the Kingmoor Ring.

03/17/14 (Mon) 22:14:26 No.4088>>4485

>the all
>>4076
>All will prove true that thou askest of runes –
those that are come from the gods,
which the high Powers wrought, and which Odin painted:
then silence is surely best.

I don't think that part is from the Havamal.

>138.None refreshed me ever with food or drink,
I peered right down in the deep;
crying aloud I lifted the Runes
then back I fell from thence.

This is there. I wonder what the origins of this are. It's interesting.I need to work more on my Wotanism perhaps. I'm not sure how I would describe myself now a days really. I guess I am kind of a true wotanist since I seek knowledge and wisdom.

>141.Hidden Runes shalt thou seek and interpreted signs,
many symbols of might and power,
by the great Singer painted, by the high Powers fashioned,
graved by the Utterer of gods.

I don't think this is in the Havamal either.

03/24/14 (Mon) 09:07:09 No.4481

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About Runic Meditation

"Runic Meditation" is a living philosophy. An urgent message for an authentic spiritual life, the authors embark on social commentary and testimony of personal energetic transformation in a total renewal of the mind/consciousness for our brothers and sisters on this earth.

Runic Ancestors: The runes are the contained energy of those tribal peoples who lived in history, created legends and transcended this life to give their conscious energy to this age.

Mysticism: The path of being directly co-creative with conscious energy, refusing any cleric, authority or religion as a go-between mindful examination and universal awareness.

Gnosis: A complete union with God/All-Father, inversely the void, as familiar partnership, where universal energy emblazons your personal nueral chakras in a true spiritual life born of contemplation, subtle exercise and meditation.

Runes: These mantric symbols are one of the oldest human languages written phonetically–the root of the modern English alphabet. The "runic ancestors," spirits of prehistoric past, eternally present, share wisdom and guidance for those who look, regardless of cultural origin, who discover the means to call upon them.

Rune Chanting:

The chanting not only trains the breathing, but improves brain function and creates deep resonance which the body receives positively making it healthier. It is the result of two aspects of life (physical/immaterial), formerly deemed separate, activating to improve both. What we perceive as physical and emotional or spiritual truly lay on a vibrational continuum in which all energies, cells and matter are interconnected. Male and female are no longer relevant, because in ancient belief both perceived sexes have attained this kind of mastery. The potential for consciousness cannot be divided by opposites such as male or female, because on a continuum, opposition is found only in friction, which, in the scheme of building blocks of nature, only creates momentum. The way of infinite awareness is acceptance of all varieties, not just the “closed-minded” varieties a controlled, manipulated brain can think of. The term for the latter is “abuse” and, sadly enough, is the system of propaganda and thought-control in mass media which dominates the mainstream in society today.

Runes and their magic in theory 03/24/14 (Mon) 09:15:27 No.4482

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http://www.rune-magick.com/pages/runes_learning.htm

http://www.rune-magick.com/runesintheory.htm

In learning the runes you will find that there are two ways by which you must approach them: the way of the mind and the way of the soul. The way of the mind is that of research, logic, numerical calculation and experimental evalution; the way of the soul is that of meditation, feeling and practice. These two ways shoudl be fairly balanced if one wants to know the runes and their workings. It is also important to keep a magickal diary in which one´s records and experiences along the path should be written down and reflected upon.

In Norse texts, runic magick is often described as garldr magick, as opposed to the more shamanistic forms of spae and seidhr-magick. The word galdr comes from a root meaning "to sing or chant", which shows the needfulness of vibrating rune-sounds and magickal songs on all levels in order to bring their power into full being. As a meditative means, the chanting of galdr-sounds will cause your very body, as well as the world around you, to vibrate with the might of the rune upon which you are calling.

"Know how to write, know´st how to read,
Know´st how to slain, how to understand,
Know´st how to ask, know´st how to offer
Know´st how to supplicate, know´st how to sacrifice?"
(Havamal, 144)

03/24/14 (Mon) 09:43:07 No.4484>>4487

>>4483
I shit you not but today in the astral I saw worlds that were… sort of like the representations in these drawings. As in, chunks of rock floating, then on top there is the land, and then a sphere of air… all this suspended in space.

Perhaps they were little colonies built onto the sides of asteroids?

03/24/14 (Mon) 09:43:20 No.4485

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>>4088
I just checked in my own physical copy of the Eddas and you're indeed right, verse 141 and the other unassigned one both seem to be made up completely by the author of that page…

137 and 138 are spot on though.

Onwards with mure runic theory then.

The Nine Noble Virtues

The Nine Noble Virtues or NNV are a set of moral and situational ethical guidelines codified by John Yeowell (a.k.a. Stubba) and John Gibbs-Bailey (a.k.a. Hoskuld) of the Odinic Rite in the 1970s.

They are based on virtues found in historical Norse paganism, gleaned from various sources including the Poetic Edda (particularly the Hávamál and the Sigrdrífumál), and as evident in the Icelandic Sagas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Noble_Virtues#Variants

To maintain candour and fidelity in love and devotion to the tried friend: though he strike me I will do him no scathe.

Never to make wrongsome oath: for great and grim is the reward for the breaking of plighted troth.

To deal not hardly with the humble and the lowly.

To remember the respect that is due to great age.

To suffer no evil to go unremedied and to fight against the enemies of

Faith, Folk and Family: my foes I will fight in the field, nor will I stay to be burnt in my house.

To succour the friendless but to put no faith in the pledged word of a stranger people.

If I hear the fool's word of a drunken man I will strive not: for many a grief and the very death groweth from out such things.

To give kind heed to dead people: straw dead, sea dead or sword dead.

To abide by the enactments of lawful authority and to bear with courage the decrees of the Norns.

03/24/14 (Mon) 09:51:27 No.4486

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPqKAuzo0tk

http://galdrnet.com/runes/meditation.html

To truly understand the runes, solely reading about them is not enough. You must know them and take them up for yourself. Reading as much on runes as possible is a good start, however to gain a deeper understanding, you need to meditate on them and find out their deeper meaning.

Meditations on the Anglo-Saxon Rune Poems

http://www.englishfolkchurch.com/runepoem.htm

This is a very interesting and powerful poem, with many different aspects to it. Firstly, it is based around the old FUÐORC or Germanic alphabet and at one level simply records this alphabet with a short verse for each letter. As with our modern alphabet, each letter represents a specific sound of the language. However, unlike our modern alphabet, each letter also has a specific meaning. At one level, this is something simple such as a plant, animal or an action such as riding. However, embedded into this is a much deeper symbology that speaks of ancient wisdom and knowledge.


Whilst the ideas inherent in this poem undoubtedly have pre-Christian origins, the poem itself is thought to have been written down in the eighth or ninth centuries AD, placing it well into the Christian era. Indeed, it was rediscovered in a monastery and the written version we have has been Christianised. As such, it is an extremely valuable resource to the English Folk Christian wishing to connect with his or her distant ancestors and with the culture they lived in.

03/24/14 (Mon) 09:56:23 No.4487

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>>4484
Or maybe the gods are trying to tell you something specific…

03/24/14 (Mon) 10:32:16 No.4491

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http://magical-runes.blogspot.com/2008/12/rune-power-of-thorn-protects-you-from.html

"A friend of mine, a professional Kineseologist, and his friend went up to a big Cell tower. He asked his friend to point at the tower, which he did. He easily forced his friend's arm down to his side with his muscle testing technique. Cell towers weaken humans.

Then he handed his friend the wood rune Thorn, which was hand made. His friend held it in his left hand and pointed once again at the Cell tower.

This time, the kineseologist could not budge his friend's arm down one inch, using all his strength. This is the muscle testing technique that tells you whether a substance or an object held in one hand makes the body stronger or weaker.

Don't believe what He did? He was using the Power of the rune Thorn."

Universal Vibrational Runic Energies

This is a new way to relate to the unseen Energies in our Universe. It is a new concept which grew out of an awareness of the Runes of middle and northern Europe, Scandinavia, Great Britain, and Ireland. It is not runic divination as previously understood and practiced.

Quantum physics deals with such small particles that they have been described by Dr. Nick Herbert as being more and more like consciousness. This appears to conform to Rupert Sheldrake’s theory of morphic resonance as unifying all of Nature, which he likened to Carl Jung’s concept of the collective unconscious for humans. As experienced by Joe Ann Van Gelder, attorney-turned-dowser, the runes are other-dimensional forms of pulsating Energy which affect our third dimensional life in a manner consistent with both consciousness and morphic resonance.

In prehistoric times ancient Teutonic, Scandinavian and Celtic peoples used runes for sacred ceremonies, magical devices, and healing. This feminine, yin form, known as the "elder" runes, continues to be used in casting and ritual work. The masculine, yang form, known as the "younger" runes, was used as oracles and is used for divination still. Several distinct branches of runes were found within Central Europe, Western Europe, Scandinavia, Great Britain and Ireland. Although the number and design of symbols varied within these cultures, the awareness of the runic tradition was not lost.

03/24/14 (Mon) 10:38:29 No.4492>>12580

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RUNIC PHYSICS by Robert Blumetti

http://www.vrilology.org/runic_physics.htm
http://www.vrilology.org/runic_principle_behind_ginnu.htm

Each rune represents certain runic energy patterns. The shape, sound and esoteric symbolism of each rune harnesses and shapes the currents of life-energies that I refer to as Vril, and transform these currents of energy into the many different manifestations that are the foundation for the laws governing the structure of both the objective universe and the subjective multiverse. It is through thee computations, I believe, we can discover the methodology that the Gods use in giving form to the universe and multiverse from the chaotic formlessness that was Ymir.

In the Norse world view, the universe was not created from nothing, but from a state of existence where the universe was still unformed. We can hypothesize that this state of existence within the Norse world view, the pre-Big Bang reality, is referred to as Ginnungagap.

Ginnungagap existed long before Yggdrasill existed, before the existence of the Giants, the Gods and even the nine worlds—well, this is, seven of the nine worlds. Two of the worlds that make up the Yggdrasill, Musspellheim and Niflheim, the realms of fire and Ice, existed when the universe was pre-formed. We can refer to this state as the pre-universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginnungagap

Ginnungagap appears as the primordial void in the Norse creation account, the Gylfaginning states:

"Ginnungagap, the Yawning Void … which faced toward the northern quarter, became filled with heaviness, and masses of ice and rime, and from within, drizzling rain and gusts; but the southern part of the Yawning Void was lighted by those sparks and glowing masses which flew out of Múspellheim"

In the northern part of Ginnungagap lay the intense cold of Niflheim, and to the southern part lay the equally intense heat of Muspelheim. The cosmogonic process began when the effulgence of the two met in the middle of Ginnungagap.

06/18/14 (Wed) 05:34:17 No.12511

I found a guy today who practises rune magic and uses the keys of solomon to evoke demons.

06/19/14 (Thu) 07:21:01 No.12580

>>4492
Neat site. I have doubts for half of it but the other half I found to be great.

I'm kinda curious about their purchasable books/programs but still very hesitant if it will be worth the money. I think I will wait since I feel like I shouldn't jump into buying anything.

06/20/14 (Fri) 03:28:43 No.12611

>>4069
According to Siegfried Kummer, Yahweh is originally German and the Jews stole that name for their own god. Do any other sources corroborate this claim?