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03/14/14 (Fri) 04:02:59 No. 3863

I'm serious when I say this, I think I'm cursed. It's kinda 2edgy4me, but I really have had one of the unluckiest lives.

I can make thought reality to a certain extent for simple things, but I can't ever seem to be able to fix this rut I'm in; No matter how much I believe. Is there some sort of ritual, sigil, or something to get rid of this? Preferably where I don't have to sell my soul or sacrifice a virgin.

03/14/14 (Fri) 05:25:27 No.3864>>3869>>3897

>>3863
OP I am also cursed and my curse has physical manifestations. I've been working non-stop though for the last long while to find a solution to it (well, aside from being forced to do random shit by mundanes, but I am mostly focused on getting rid of this curse before it kills me).

>I can make thought reality to a certain extent for simple things

In what manner do you do this and what shit have you accomplished?

>Is there some sort of ritual, sigil, or something to get rid of this?

I don't believe ritual to be useful to anyone and I especially don't believe in the power of sigils though some people have got really mad at me for shit-talking sigil magic.

Mundanes like to focus on the overt physical things aka the very shit that has no power to it.

To me magic is a metaphysical work and the physical stuff isn't usable to anyone who doesn't have the metaphysics down.

If I cure my curse I'll tell you how I did it. Meanwhile look forward to a couple new threads coming out from me talking about various things in my magical practise.

03/14/14 (Fri) 05:29:30 No.3865>>3897

>Preferably where I don't have to sell my soul

Fuck forgot to address this part.

YOU CAN NOT SELL YOUR SOUL. Why do you think this? Do you know what would happen if you "sold your soul"?

Lets say you sold me your soul for something physical in this world. You'd never be able to enjoy that shit. Your body would be left behind with the shit you just asked for and you, the soul, would be taken away to be enslaved by me.

Few entities even have the power to take away your soul and the ones that do have the power DON'T NEED TO ASK OR TRADE FOR IT THEY CAN JUST TAKE IT.

You can sell your body more easily than you can sell your soul. In one sense though, your soul is kind of "sold", that is whatever you give your conscious attention to you are bonded to. So in a way your soul is already enslaved to this world … for now.

>or sacrifice a virgin.

For a mundane to do this it would be a waste of a virgin and you'd fuck it up. Only a really advanced wizard or witch doctor would do something like that and get something out of it.

03/14/14 (Fri) 07:09:49 No.3869>>3870>>3897

>>3864
>To me magic is a metaphysical work and the physical stuff isn't usable to anyone who doesn't have the metaphysics down.
A magician needs nothing but himself, but you can't seriously mean that tools should not ever be used.
If you want to do anything more complex than what can be accomplished by simply willing something to be, you need ritual. Whether it's formalized and you bother to call it what it is is another matter.

03/14/14 (Fri) 07:18:59 No.3870>>3883

>>3869
>A magician needs nothing but himself, but you can't seriously mean that tools should not ever be used.

Tools don't have any power in them. They're only to assist with your tasks. Like a wizard robe should help you feel more like a wizard and be more confident with your magic as well as you could use the hood to block out light in order that it may not disrupt your trances and the fit should be loose so are not to distract either. There may exist the possibility of concentrating etheric energy into objects too but you'd have to be very skilled to do it, very aware to even know it's there and be able to manipulate and retrieve it, etc. Rituals and stuff can sort of help you but when it comes down to it these things are all secondary concerns to what's going on in the mental planes. Magic is all about mental influence, therefore physical actions don't mean much alone. I don't have any use for tools. I kind of wish someone would gift me one of those orgone things though.

>If you want to do anything more complex than what can be accomplished by simply willing something to be, you need ritual. Whether it's formalized and you bother to call it what it is is another matter.

The will is what accomplishes shit. Ritual is only a way to focus the will.

03/14/14 (Fri) 08:53:12 No.3883>>3891>>3897

>>3870
The tools don't need to be physical for it to be ritual. Thoughtforms can be tools.

Even doing something as simple as calling up a mental state separate from yourself and then integrating it is ritual, or the archetype of one.

Any physical elements of ritual can (usually) be replaced with thoughtforms. In many cases you can go a step further and remove the thoughtforms, leaving only the concept behind. But if a conceptual ritual translates naturally into physical action, why not do it?

For example, translate the above
>calling up a mental state separate from yourself and then integrating it
into a concrete ritual with the help of some food or drink. Imbue it with the quality you desire, then consume it. The imbuing can be purely mental or can involve more physical action if you wish. I'm sure you could think of other ways to do this.

>The will is what accomplishes shit. Ritual is only a way to focus the will.
This is true but it is very hard to put energy behind the will just like that.

03/14/14 (Fri) 09:35:47 No.3891>>3897

>>3883
>The tools don't need to be physical for it to be ritual. Thoughtforms can be tools.

Oh well yeah those are useful as "tools" and if you consider them then I guess I am using a lot of "ritual".

I think we also need to change metaphysical structures already in place to make things easier for us. We can one-off something but if we make a fundamental change in our mind then we can create more lasting changes and enable new psychic functions that won't fade away easily. That's a new theory I've been thinking about after some conversations on /x/ and on skype that gave me the idea.

>Even doing something as simple as calling up a mental state separate from yourself and then integrating it is ritual, or the archetype of one.

Ok then I am deep into ritual.

>Any physical elements of ritual can (usually) be replaced with thoughtforms.

I always do this. I've created thoughtformed pentagrams in my rooms and all kinds of other stuff I've used. I can't get access to physical things due to being a poor reclusive NEET wizard but maybe one day when I get hired as an ornamental hermit I can have some physical props or something.

>In many cases you can go a step further and remove the thoughtforms, leaving only the concept behind. But if a conceptual ritual translates naturally into physical action, why not do it?

What how can you remove the thoughtforms? You can't do magic without thoughtforms. What do you mean by conceptual? Also what do you mean by physical action? I hope you aren't suggesting that we just use magic to motivate us to do mundane shit when we could be using it to manifest miracles.

>For example, translate the above
>>calling up a mental state separate from yourself and then integrating it
>into a concrete ritual with the help of some food or drink. Imbue it with the quality you desire, then consume it. The imbuing can be purely mental or can involve more physical action if you wish. I'm sure you could think of other ways to do this.

I've done this with orange juice and also with a placebo pill that I believed was going to cause me trouble and so I felt a tight chest pain after taking it which I basically willed into existence because that's what I thought the drug would do.

>This is true but it is very hard to put energy behind the will just like that.

You have to very clearly conceive of a thing to manifest that thing. It can be hard to do that, to think of the whole of a thing, and hold it so strongly in your mind that it becomes apparent that it really is there in front of you and has all the attributes it's supposed to have.

03/14/14 (Fri) 13:31:29 No.3897>>3912

>>3864
I have never believed in any of that, but I am getting desperate and

Just small things like (inb4 2schizo4me) changing little outcomes (Stop a pencil from rolling or changing the path of a thrown object) or making someone do something like turn the volume up or for a person to come to me when I need to ask them something. Nothing too complicated but enough to make my life easier.

I'll be lurking.
>>3865
Meant it as satire.
>>3869
This is what I've always believed, but I have an orgone device and I am enjoying it.
>>3891
>>3883
Alas, I cannot think in images and so I've been unable to make one.

03/14/14 (Fri) 15:20:07 No.3899>>3915

>What how can you remove the thoughtforms? You can't do magic without thoughtforms. What do you mean by conceptual? Also what do you mean by physical action? I hope you aren't suggesting that we just use magic to motivate us to do mundane shit when we could be using it to manifest miracles.

By using the raw blueprint, the archetype behind it, without thoughtforms. I mean this mostly with regard to non-essential symbolic thoughtforms, like a bubble meant to protect or a pentagram meant to assist with banishing or invocation. These, strictly speaking, could be removed as long as the intent remains. The conceptual ritual in my example is the two-step process of calling up a mental state, then integrating. This blueprint is distinct from the goal of the ritual, which is to bring about a change in mental state, which can be done in many ways. By physical action, I mean any movements performed in the process of a ritual and any objects used.

I could perform a ritual imbuing a physical object and transferring it to myself, I could thoughtform something with the required qualities and integrate it (personified or not), or I could do it as described. These are all ritual. Without any ritual whatsoever, you could directly will this mental change to happen if sufficiently practiced.

>You have to very clearly conceive of a thing to manifest that thing. It can be hard to do that, to think of the whole of a thing, and hold it so strongly in your mind that it becomes apparent that it really is there in front of you and has all the attributes it's supposed to have.

Which is why ritual seeks to break this down into smaller parts, and let the subconscious do more of the work.

In the end, what I mean is that it's perfectly fine for the OP to ask for a ritual or sigil to ease the process. Or I'm bullshitting.

03/14/14 (Fri) 23:31:42 No.3912>>4038

>>3897
>I have never believed in any of that, but I am getting desperate and
>Just small things like (inb4 2schizo4me)

Schizo you say? ( >>1933 )

>changing little outcomes (Stop a pencil from rolling or changing the path of a thrown object) or making someone do something like turn the volume up or for a person to come to me when I need to ask them something. Nothing too complicated but enough to make my life easier.

Looks like you're getting synchronistically fucked over.

>Meant it as satire.

Ok.

>This is what I've always believed, but I have an orgone device and I am enjoying it.

I am jelly.

>Alas, I cannot think in images and so I've been unable to make one.

How come you can't? Have you tried decalcifying your pineal gland, taking a large dose of melatonin, detoxing your body, etc.? That's really weird that you can't think in images.

03/15/14 (Sat) 00:38:13 No.3913>>3914

What you need, OP, is a good honest spanking.

03/15/14 (Sat) 00:51:01 No.3914

>>3913
lol y u so mad tho?

03/15/14 (Sat) 00:53:08 No.3915

>>3899
Have you ever made a sigil work for anything? You've explained ritual well but I'm still dubious as to the power and workings of sigils.

03/16/14 (Sun) 15:00:18 No.4038>>4039

>>3912
Haha, I'm not some mundane. I've been on this board for a while, I have mixed feelings for the schizo thing.
>Looks like you're getting synchronistically fucked over.
What?
>How come you can't?
I have taken all the steps I can, but I've gotten a few tick bites in my day and now my brain is fucked due to the infections (Bartonella, Lyme, etc.). The antibiotics (Oral and IV for a few months) don't seem to be helping and I'm running out of time. This was one of the major unlucky events I've had and I wish to bring my life back.

03/16/14 (Sun) 15:21:34 No.4039>>4042

>>4038
Fuck man that's awful. Maybe you need outside intervention to help you. Perhaps a more powerful wizard can restore you to a higher level of functioning.

03/16/14 (Sun) 17:29:50 No.4042

>>4039
Haha, maybe. This is the only place I know that has serious wizards, if only by some "coincidence" one saw this thread.