>>3377I've done it, but don't think I will ever again.
My feelings about it are it's a drug everyone should probably try once but it isn't one to do regularly.
Yeah, being at a rave on it is really nice sometimes. Especially if its a nice one with nice music. There's some kind of magic there that just appeals to me. It's not just that either, but it's something about art that just makes things seem worth it at times. You know, well maybe you don't, but I've had moments were I was on drugs and was happy everything that had happened, to me, both good and bad, had happened because it brought me to that point. Well, that particular feeling came to me at a very odd moment, wasn't at a music event.
God I don't write coherently enough. I guess it's just hard to put things to words sometimes.
Yeah, there's something about certain types of art that just seems magical and it makes the unpleasantness of this existence a little more worth it because of it's quality. This is in movies sometimes, but mostly I would say it is in music.
I just want to be in a nice place, with nice attractive people, nice music and nice things going on. I want to make that my aim somehow. Kind of an odd thing to think about, but it's the only thing that seems worth it. I'm not a very happy person generally and my life isn't in good shape and I have all kinds of personal issues that afflict me. For some reason, some kind of aim like this seems better than just killing myself or being like everyone else.
>>3382>I don't believe you. What aims do you have? Doesn't sound like any. Your post seems empty.Aims? It's best not for me to think like that to much.
I suppose I'll slip out of this state of mind for a little while for you though.
• Power
• Health
• Spiritual realization (especially metempsychosis)
• Ascendancy
• Understanding
• Purity
>Drugs are a broadening experience. I don't think drugs like speed and cocaine are good for the mind. Just how I see it.…but they also mislead and weaken, they force you along a trip, and you get the wrong ideas about reality from them. There are many degenerate drug users and they all are pretty off the mark about things. I am withholding a secret from you here because if I tell it to you now you won't believe it, you need to realize it for yourself, but when you do realize it you will see how frivolous drugs are.
>If existence is nothing but misery and boredom what good is it? If a non bored and miserable existence isn't strived for life might as well be done away with. Drugs and art can help make life not as miserable and boring. Drugs and art can help make existence worth it.For me music, distractions, socialization, etc. it's all misery. Drugs do not make my life better at all and they will hold you back from some really wonderful things if you don't start to see through the deception. I will distil knowledge onto /fringe/, steadily over time, and if you pay close attention you will see the bits of the puzzle that put it altogether. I am in no way bored at all, I am very much engaged and experiencing amazing things.
>stop being a zog faggotThe ZOG wants you on drugs. The drugs take away your transcendental and sacred will.
>I really hate people that politically support keeping marijuana illegal. Many of these faggots are pill poppers and drunks. Not to mention boring shitty people a lot of the time.I am against all drugs. Cigarettes, marijuana, caffeine, alcohol, pills, etc.
Tell me what you think marijuana does and I'll tell you exactly why it's no good.
>>3383>For me music, distractions, socialization, etc. it's all misery. Drugs do not make my life better at all and they will hold you back from some really wonderful things if you don't start to see through the deception. yeah right, sounds like a DARE counsler. Obviously drugs don't make your life better if you aren't using them.
I think you are jsut insincerely posing as something to push zog bullshit. Hrrr stay of drugs kids, stay positive, astral is way better than drugs.
And if you don't have an aim or a purpose how can something be a distraction?
>I will distil knowledge onto /fringe/, steadily over time, and if you pay close attention you will see the bits of the puzzle that put it altogether. I am in no way bored at all, I am very much engaged and experiencing amazing things.yeah I have nice experiences too once in awhile. And sometimes being stoned is a nice experience.
>The ZOG wants you on drugs. The drugs take away your transcendental and sacred will.well what if my sacred will is to make this miserable existence worth it and I see things like drugs and art as a means to that end?
>Tell me what you think marijuana does and I'll tell you exactly why it's no good.it's just a nice cheap drug. Great for moments of stress and anxiety. Great for music events. ect. Certainly a better spiritual drug than alcohol.
Should people just be misserable till they go crazy? Or put on some new drug we don't really understand that well?
>>3384>yeah right, sounds like a DARE counsler. Obviously drugs don't make your life better if you aren't using them.I don't know what that is. Drugs mind give you some temporary boost in your life but the drawbacks suck and you don't need them.
>I think you are jsut insincerely posing as something to push zog bullshit. Hrrr stay of drugs kids, stay positive, astral is way better than drugs.Astral IS way fucking better than any shitty drugs. You obviously haven't been to the astral or haven't been successfully exploiting the full power of what you can do in the astral if you think it's somehow inferior to drugs. As for positivity, fuck positivity. The ZOG is the reason everyone is so drugged, medicated, etc. and they control all the drugs including the ones they make illegal.
>And if you don't have an aim or a purpose how can something be a distraction?Anything which does not serve my purposes of realizing the higher reality, acquiring power, and serving the 14 words is a distraction.
>yeah I have nice experiences too once in awhile. And sometimes being stoned is a nice experience.Relying upon the material manifestations of the demiurge only makes you a slave to it. If you want to do drugs, you should only do it with the intention of realizing they ultimately have no power inherent within them, that all the power resides within you.
>well what if my sacred will is to make this miserable existence worth it and I see things like drugs and art as a means to that end?Then you are very likely misidentifying what you are really after. If you want to make art btw then whatever, go ahead.
>it's just a nice cheap drug. Great for moments of stress and anxiety. Great for music events. ect. Certainly a better spiritual drug than alcohol.Stress and anxiety and the enjoyment of life? That's why you take it? That's not a good excuse to do it. You shouldn't need a drug to achieve those results.
>Should people just be misserable till they go crazy?Every shaman goes through his long night of the soul. In the great cosmic journey, at some point we must suffer very long and very intensely, before we can eventually attain a higher state of being that takes you well beyond the inferiority of your previous condition. If you are weak-willed and look for easy ways out of your suffering instead of embracing it and experiencing it fully until it naturally passes and is banished by your knowing then you will not be well rewarded later on and your wisdom will be less.
>Or put on some new drug we don't really understand that well?No. We definitely should not be putting people on any drugs at all.
>>3386>I don't know what that is. Drugs mind give you some temporary boost in your life but the drawbacks suck and you don't need them.but what if life is a drawback? Is life really needed?
>Relying upon the material manifestations of the demiurge only makes you a slave to it. If you want to do drugs, you should only do it with the intention of realizing they ultimately have no power inherent within them, that all the power resides within you.that's right kids don't be a bug and say no to drugs
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>Then you are very likely misidentifying what you are really after.how so? I see this world as generally miserable. If you put boredom and misery on one scale and interested and happy on another the boredom and misery would probably outweigh the interested and happy.
People just hate on marijuana for some reason. Marijuana is great. It's cheap and it's a great drug. But no, we got to get our kids on a bunch of different pills so they can go through the hipster borg factory and be good little goys and gals.
God forbid they smoke pot one weekend.
>Stress and anxiety and the enjoyment of life? That's why you take it? That's not a good excuse to do it. You shouldn't need a drug to achieve those results.well, my life is a unique example. Anyway I don't think you are a sincere poster. That's not why I take it, those are just things that could be said to be positive attributes of it.
besides I don't want to be a part of some republike anti marijuana conservatism bullshit. I really hate these people that are against making it legal. I don't know which ones I hate more the demoniggers or the republikikes.
I hate this fucking characture of a marijuana user they play up and hrrr drr we conservatives are better den dat right guys? Vote for this black person goy.
>Every shaman goes through his long night of the soul. In the great cosmic journey, at some point we must suffer very long and very intensely, before we can eventually attain a higher state of being that takes you well beyond the inferiority of your previous condition. If you are weak-willed and look for easy ways out of your suffering instead of embracing it and experiencing it fully until it naturally passes and is banished by your knowing then you will not be well rewarded later on and your wisdom will be less.I've experienced plenty of suffering. I don't like this society. Marijuana can help me relax and not feel like I'm in a hell. And it's nice to use with other people. It's nice to use and watch an interesting movie. It's a nice cheap drug.
>No. We definitely should not be putting people on any drugs at all.what should people do? Sounds like they'd be very board and go crazy without any drugs. It's not for everyone, but I think, especially a drug like marijuana, it's ok to have available. Especially if alcohol is, which you aren't saying should be.
>>3387>but what if life is a drawback? Is life really needed?I'm not sure what you mean by this but if you mean life in the material plane is something to be overcome then yes.
>that's right kids don't be a bug and say no to drugs>[trademark pending]Everyone who has ever pushed drugs on me has been a bluepill.
>how so? I see this world as generally miserable. If you put boredom and misery on one scale and interested and happy on another the boredom and misery would probably outweigh the interested and happy.Your method of attaining happiness and engagement with the world is not lasting and is based on an illusion.
>People just hate on marijuana for some reason. Marijuana is great. It's cheap and it's a great drug. But no, we got to get our kids on a bunch of different pills so they can go through the hipster borg factory and be good little goys and gals.Are you ever going to stop strawmanning me because if you aren't then I might as well just shitpost lol butthurt to you.
I am against using pills and I am against marijuana. Every drug I am against.
I also think the education system is nothing more than propaganda and brainwashing and is more damaging than good.
>God forbid they smoke pot one weekend.Relying upon a drug to make you happy is not good.
>well, my life is a unique example. Anyway I don't think you are a sincere poster. That's not why I take it, those are just things that could be said to be positive attributes of it.How am I not sincere? I DO NOT DO ANY DRUGS. I also don't masturbate. I am complete adverse to all of these things.
>besides I don't want to be a part of some republike anti marijuana conservatism bullshit. I really hate these people that are against making it legal. I don't know which ones I hate more the demoniggers or the republikikes.ZOG doesn't care if it's illegal or legal. They play both sides. Either way they are still promoting drug-use to people.
>I hate this fucking characture of a marijuana user they play up and hrrr drr we conservatives are better den dat right guys? Vote for this black person goy.Fuck conservatives, fuck liberals, and fuck Obongo.
>I've experienced plenty of suffering. I don't like this society. Marijuana can help me relax and not feel like I'm in a hell. And it's nice to use with other people. It's nice to use and watch an interesting movie. It's a nice cheap drug.Why are you watching movies on the zogbox?
>what should people do? Sounds like they'd be very board and go crazy without any drugs.Why do you equate your degeneracy with fun? Maybe your problem is quite simply that you have "not gone crazy yet". Ever considered that?
>It's not for everyone, but I think, especially a drug like marijuana, it's ok to have available. Especially if alcohol is, which you aren't saying should be.Alcohol should be banned along with marijuana and cigarettes and caffeine.
>>3508>The fuck is this supposed to mean?whoever you are, you seem odd. It's hard to tell if your some kind of government or extragovernmental personality ment to study and manipulate or you are just odd. Given the nature of imageboards it's hard to tell what's going on on the other side since imageboards seem to allow people to let out an aspect of themselves that doesn't normally get let out.
>You're denying yourself a lot of opportunities to develop your will and attain that state (or a superior one) metaphysically instead of chemically by smoking pot.well even the ancients were ok with drinking alcohol sometimes. There's was a mix of self denial and indulgence. You seem to be advocating nothing but self denial and pushing this anti marijuana bullshit. I don't like the politics of a lot of people that are pro legalization but regardless I think it's ok to have it available for people to use if they want. I don't feel this way about all drugs.
>You seem to have a very hard time accepting that there are ascetic mystics out there who shun physicality.ok,that's fine. I'm not one of those mystics. I understand it and can be of that mindset sometimes, but sometimes I just want to smoke some pot. And really I think it's a great drug. Not to be used too much,but used in moderation it really is a great drug.
>To me the material world is evil and something to be transcended and drugs are an extension of that as they are material substance.ok then why not just an hero? I understand this sentiment but don't totally agree with it. Don't really want to go into it. Anyway that's sort of what I am talking about with this thread. Life and existance just isn't worth it, and I hear something in some music that sounds like it's worth something and I want to create experience existence that makes this reality worth existing.
>I don't want to rely upon chemicals/physics to change my mood or mental state when I can do the same thing in a better way through metaphysical principles.that's fine. I'm kind of that way with pain killers. I'm not saying you have to smoke pot or you should smoke pot. I'm just saying it's not really that bad and for me personally it's great and helps me deal with the shit of life. Certainly helps me more than alcohol does, and I don't want to take antidepresents or anything like that.
>>3517>whoever you are, you seem odd. It's hard to tell if your some kind of government or extragovernmental personality ment to study and manipulate or you are just odd. Given the nature of imageboards it's hard to tell what's going on on the other side since imageboards seem to allow people to let out an aspect of themselves that doesn't normally get let out.I'm not involved with any governments or anything at all I'm just a NEET wizard living in his parents house and studying magic all day every day.
>well even the ancients were ok with drinking alcohol sometimes. There's was a mix of self denial and indulgence. You seem to be advocating nothing but self denial and pushing this anti marijuana bullshit. I don't like the politics of a lot of people that are pro legalization but regardless I think it's ok to have it available for people to use if they want. I don't feel this way about all drugs.The ancients didn't agree on anything. They had many different schools of thought, many different competing philosophies. Some were horribly degenerate and others very pure. I don't think you should have to take a drug to feel happy, even if there were to be no bad side effects, something is wrong if you have to use drugs to be happy. Taking drugs is sort of cheating on life and letting weak and dependent people get by instead of natural selection culling them properly. Think about how many people would not be alive right now if not for drugs, it's pretty clear that drugs are keeping a lot of people alive, and I see that as a very bad thing. The powers that be want to ensure there is a constant drug supply as it makes people tolerate a whole lot more shit in their lives they'd otherwise rebel against.
>ok,that's fine. I'm not one of those mystics. I understand it and can be of that mindset sometimes, but sometimes I just want to smoke some pot. And really I think it's a great drug. Not to be used too much,but used in moderation it really is a great drug.Why though? It just makes you feel good and all you've done is smoke a silly drug. It's meaningless hedonistic pleasure which you haven't attained through master over your own mind. Self-mastery is very important and will ultimately set you free from this world, whereas relying on external means to regulate your internal moods isn't very good.
>ok then why not just an hero? I understand this sentiment but don't totally agree with it. Don't really want to go into it. Anyway that's sort of what I am talking about with this thread. Life and existance just isn't worth it, and I hear something in some music that sounds like it's worth something and I want to create experience existence that makes this reality worth existing.I wouldn't want to an hero as I will lose my progress in this life and be forced back into the cycle of reincarnation and possibly end up living my next life even less aware of things and therefore failing to ascend again & again for who knows how long before I wise up and start finding a way out again. I need to use this life time wisely to ascend beyond the material world by achieving spiritual perfection.
>that's fine. I'm kind of that way with pain killers. I'm not saying you have to smoke pot or you should smoke pot. I'm just saying it's not really that bad and for me personally it's great and helps me deal with the shit of life. Certainly helps me more than alcohol does, and I don't want to take antidepresents or anything like that.That's one of the big problems with drugs though. As you say it helps you deal with the shit in life. It makes you more tolerant of bad conditions and less likely to get real fuckin' mad and fight back against a world that tries to bring down your quality of life all the time.
If you're really intent upon doing drugs like some people are, I just observe and don't interfere, but if you want to talk about the value of drugs I don't think it's a good idea. It would be better to do something like meditation, self-hypnosis, reality programming, etc. to reshape your mind into something transcendent.
Alcohol and antidepressants are shit terrible.
Praise the gods
I was doing some study the other day and debating about trying to get some marijuana
from blacksand I decided against it because I had other things to do and didn't want to risk it.
Then later while walking, as if being rewarded for my study and decisions, I found a joint.
Twas glorious.
>>3520
>I don't think you should have to take a drug to feel happy,Well, do you think people should have to die? Drugs like marijuana and mushrooms are less harmful and soul killing than synthetic drugs and alcohol. Really, coffee is probably worse for you than marijuana. And eating different foods can affect you the way drugs do.
>Taking drugs is sort of cheating on life and letting weak and dependent people get by instead of natural selection culling them properly.ok. Well I would agree with this if we were talking about Aderal. But we aren't.
>Think about how many people would not be alive right now if not for drugs, it's pretty clear that drugs are keeping a lot of people alive, and I see that as a very bad thing.Well, I kind of agree, but we are talking about marijuana here. Are you saying drugs make people less willing to an hero? I don't like the way medication is done in the USA. It makes people that probably shouldn't be happy with their lot in life happy or content with their lot in life. I think marijuana is a bit different from those kind of things.
>The powers that be want to ensure there is a constant drug supply as it makes people tolerate a whole lot more shit in their lives they'd otherwise rebel against.ok, that doesn't have much barring on this issue of marijuana. They probably want to do away with organic marjiuana. Would be my guess.
>I wouldn't want to an hero as I will lose my progress in this life and be forced back into the cycle of reincarnation and possibly end up living my next life even less aware of things and therefore failing to ascend again & again for who knows how long before I wise up and start finding a way out again. I need to use this life time wisely to ascend beyond the material world by achieving spiritual perfection.
or maybe you won't reincarnate, or this life won't really matter in your next incarnation.
>It makes you more tolerant of bad conditions and less likely to get real fuckin' mad and fight back against a world that tries to bring down your quality of life all the time.well, I would say I felt my quality of life had gone down if I completely lost access to marijuana.
>Alcohol and antidepressants are shit terrible.marijuana is different from those to. In fact if I had to pick two out of three to be banned, I would pick those two over marijauna. Maybe it's some kind of gift to us.
>>3697I don't think marijuana would really negatively affect that kind of thing.
>How does it NOT have anything to do with marijuana?
because it's a non sequitur. I'm trying to think of a good analogy. Yeah, it's just silly. And I said this issue of marijuana, as in the context we are discussing here, not marijuana by itself.
Yeah it would be like if the US was giving food aid to some country and people were saying "see the americans want you to eat, don't eat"
>Yes I think that people should have to die and I don't see death as such a terrible thing. Please stop throwing your false dichotomies at me regarding choices between different drugs btw because I am against all drugs. Coffee may very well be worse than marijuana and I am very much against the consumption of coffee. As for food, food is required to live, but people should aim to live without food and become breatharians if possible.
it's not a false dichotomy. You said people shouldn't have to take drugs to be happy. Maybe that isn't an option. Should people have to die? Should people have to lose their friends?
breatharians, lol
>Why that specific drug? Any drug is a crutch for weak people.
not necessarily for the weak. I don't think these drugs that help people study are good in a meta societal sense.
>…but the whole effect of marijuana is to pacify and make happy. What else does it do? It makes life more tolerable for people that really shouldn't be tolerating so much shit in their life.
well much of life seems to be tolerating shit. And marijuana has nice qualities that are hard to describe. Drugs like aderal make your mind more of a little computer while marijuana I feel can enhance certain things that are far more useful and nice. I wish I could hang out with you and smoke or vap (vaporizer) some marijuana with you. I think it would be great for you. It can be a bit detrimental to spirituality, but that no longer seems to be the case in my life. It's like the gods are ok with me using marijuana on occasion. If not abused, it really is a great drug. The main problem would be using it everyday multiple times a day. That is when people become dull and aren't even getting the full affect of it.
I don't know man, complicated issue, but I think people are pretty miserable in this world and marijuana is really nice. There is a conflict with our innate nature and this sort of corruption of nature that seems to be a part of being a man. I'd rather have a more natural lifestyle, tribal hunter, with marijuana. Marijuana is an ancient drug and has been associated with spirituality since before history.
>>3851>Yeah it would be like if the US was giving food aid to some country and people were saying "see the americans want you to eat, don't eat"What?
>it's not a false dichotomy.No it is a false dichotomy when you keep bringing up random other drugs and trying to make me choose between synthetic drugs and natural drugs when I just want them all banned.
>You said people shouldn't have to take drugs to be happy. Maybe that isn't an option. Should people have to die? Should people have to lose their friends?Yes they should have to die. Also a friend can never be truly lost, if they really care, they can just evoke their spirit into their presence or go visit them in the astral planes.
>breatharians, lolIn an even more ascended state we wouldn't even have to breath either and we'd live purely on prana / etheric energy.
>not necessarily for the weak. I don't think these drugs that help people study are good in a meta societal sense.Every drug is a crutch! The only kind of healing we should have is faith healing.
>well much of life seems to be tolerating shit. And marijuana has nice qualities that are hard to describe. Drugs like aderal make your mind more of a little computer while marijuana I feel can enhance certain things that are far more useful and nice. I wish I could hang out with you and smoke or vap (vaporizer) some marijuana with you. I think it would be great for you. It can be a bit detrimental to spirituality, but that no longer seems to be the case in my life. It's like the gods are ok with me using marijuana on occasion. If not abused, it really is a great drug. The main problem would be using it everyday multiple times a day. That is when people become dull and aren't even getting the full affect of it.If I want to produce a set of effects you only need to describe to me them and I will find a way to do it without drugs.
>I don't know man, complicated issue, but I think people are pretty miserable in this world and marijuana is really nice. There is a conflict with our innate nature and this sort of corruption of nature that seems to be a part of being a man. I'd rather have a more natural lifestyle, tribal hunter, with marijuana. Marijuana is an ancient drug and has been associated with spirituality since before history.Every kind of drug and also well pretty much anything else you can think about has been associated with spirituality including stuff like urine, sex, rocks, and well pretty much everything in the natural world. Nowadays we also have cyber magic using technology too.
>>3852>What?ok, you said zog was enabling the availability of illegal marijuana on the streets. This may be true, but I've never heard about this kind of issue with marijauana specifically. You are saying we shouldn't use marijuana because zog or whatever is encouraging it's use. This would be like people that don't like the US saying people shouldn't eat because the US is encouraging it.
Know do you understand?
>No it is a false dichotomy when you keep bringing up random other drugs and trying to make me choose between synthetic drugs and natural drugs when I just want them all banned.ok, I'm starting to think you are insincere and some kind of forum slider again. I brought up the thing about people having to die and you said it was a false dichotomy when it was raising the question of whether people really can be happy without drugs in this day and age.
<people shouldn't have to use drugs to be happy
<people shouldn't have to die
now you are conflating it with bringing up synthetic vs organic drugs, which wasn't what we were talking about at all in regards to a false dichotomy. You seem to be jumping ship on that point.
>Every drug is a crutch! The only kind of healing we should have is faith healing.what kind of faith?
>If I want to produce a set of effects you only need to describe to me them and I will find a way to do it without drugs.yeah, nah. It can't be described really. Only vaguely. You can't really give a good description of sight to a blind man.
>Every kind of drug and also well pretty much anything else you can think about has been associated with spirituality including stuff like urine, sex, rocks, and well pretty much everything in the natural world. Nowadays we also have cyber magic using technology too.right, but it's worth noting the antiquity of it. I'm actually wondering what has a longer history marijuana or alcohol.
>>3853>ok, you said zog was enabling the availability of illegal marijuana on the streets. This may be true, but I've never heard about this kind of issue with marijauana specifically. You are saying we shouldn't use marijuana because zog or whatever is encouraging it's use. This would be like people that don't like the US saying people shouldn't eat because the US is encouraging it.They ban drugs and then the CIA supplies the drugs and controls all the illegal drug networks and they make more money this way.
>Know do you understand?Ok whatever but that's not my main reason for not liking drugs.
>ok, I'm starting to think you are insincere and some kind of forum slider again. I brought up the thing about people having to die and you said it was a false dichotomy when it was raising the question of whether people really can be happy without drugs in this day and age.No the false dichotomies you've been bringing up is repeatedly saying stuff like
"People just hate on marijuana for some reason. Marijuana is great. It's cheap and it's a great drug. But no, we got to get our kids on a bunch of different pills so they can go through the hipster borg factory and be good little goys and gals." when I'm saying we shouldn't be using pills or marijuana or any drugs.
As for happiness that doesn't matter to me as I'm not a hedonist. The goal of society shouldn't be to make everyone happy. As for people dying, if they need drugs to get through life, then they ought to just die.
>now you are conflating it with bringing up synthetic vs organic drugs, which wasn't what we were talking about at all in regards to a false dichotomy. You seem to be jumping ship on that point.You brought it up here with
"Drugs like marijuana and mushrooms are less harmful and soul killing than synthetic drugs and alcohol." I don't care if they're less harmful but you try to make me choose between them as if we couldn't just do away with them all.
>what kind of faith?The kind that enables miracles obviously.
>yeah, nah. It can't be described really. Only vaguely. You can't really give a good description of sight to a blind man.Bullshit drugs don't do anything that unusual at least not marijuana. I've talked to people smoking marijuana and they just said it makes them calm and happy. There's no way it's giving you qualia which fall way outside the range of normal human experience.
>right, but it's worth noting the antiquity of it. I'm actually wondering what has a longer history marijuana or alcohol.You know asceticism and various philosophies of deprivation have been around forever too.
>>3860>r – a glorious future awaits humanity if only we can cull the weak and maladjusted.yeah, this is bullshit. I think the maladjusted are more deserving of the future than the well adjusted.
>Ok take the sentence I have in italic quotes there (without the quotes) or even just a part of it and do ctrl + f and then search it and you'll see it earlier in this thread.nigga is you serious? I was obviously speaking facetiously there. Hard to believe you are sincere.
>Maybe we could set aside some land somewhere for inferior and weak beings to revel in drugs then?drug use =! weak and inferior
So if you conquered the world you'd just have everyone working and not enjoying themselves all the time or something? Count me out. I would like to create a world where people enjoy themselves and have a good time and existence is worth it, hence the original topic of this thread.
>Every other marijuana smoker I've talked to would disagree with you. Are you somehow experiencing sensations out of the normal spectrum of feeling? Maybe seeing colours outside of the rainbow? I don't think so.yeah bullshit. I bet any sincere marijuana user you have talked to would agree with me that it can't be totally described in words what it is like to be stoned.
>I just hate the material world.Yeah, I understand that sentiment, and that's sort of part of what this theme is about. Existence is horrible, I want to make it worthwhile, something in drugs, music and art seems like it could be worth it to me.
>>3861>yeah, this is bullshit. I think the maladjusted are more deserving of the future than the well adjusted. Oh sounds like you've been reading Krishnamurti. Either that or you're just some disgusting christfag with a worship and exalt the weak and sacrifice the strong for them mentality.
>nigga is you serious? I was obviously speaking facetiously there. Hard to believe you are sincere.The only one that isn't sincere here is apparently you as you admit.
>drug use =! weak and inferiorIf you can produce the same effects as drugs by an act of will and negate the negative effects of drugs then you are a superior being. Also if you don't need drugs to stay healthy then you are also a superior being to one who requires them. Deal with it.
>So if you conquered the world you'd just have everyone working and not enjoying themselves all the time or something? Count me out. I would like to create a world where people enjoy themselves and have a good time and existence is worth it, hence the original topic of this thread.No work isn't the point either, it's not an end in itself. What would be working towards? The production of more material things? Fuck that. We should work towards our enlightenment and spend all day philosophizing and meditating and doing magic. That should be the ideal we strive towards.
>yeah bullshit. I bet any sincere marijuana user you have talked to would agree with me that it can't be totally described in words what it is like to be stoned.The ones that were smoking marijuana right in front of me were very adamant that they could describe what it was like. They said it was calming, that it made them more relaxed, that it made a lot of things more enjoyable, and also that it made their irises bigger even when there was a lot of light out (and I checked and what they said was true). Marijuana removes the stress from things and makes going about your day a lot easier.
>Yeah, I understand that sentiment, and that's sort of part of what this theme is about. Existence is horrible, I want to make it worthwhile, something in drugs, music and art seems like it could be worth it to me.Maybe you should just be like our experimental drugs wizard who combines music and art and drugs altogether into his magical works and sees what he can accomplishes? I'm staying away from those things myself though, at least the drugs and music.
>>3866>Oh sounds like you've been reading Krishnamurti. Either that or you're just some disgusting christfag with a worship and exalt the weak and sacrifice the strong for them mentality.no, I'm not a christfag, though I have a bit of respect for christianity and it's development.
>The only one that isn't sincere here is apparently you as you admit.ok, I've never admitted to being insincere. And it is you who seems more insincere. Treating happiness as a significant metric and then saying it doesn't matter.
>If you can produce the same effects as drugs by an act of will and negate the negative effects of drugs then you are a superior being. ok, is that possible? I doubt it could be proved. I respect asceticism and stuff like that, but I don't believe that that is the end in and of itself. For people to just sit around meditating. Some of that is good, but people should also enjoy the fruits of existence in my opinion. With caution of course.
>No work isn't the point either, it's not an end in itself. What would be working towards? The production of more material things? Fuck that. We should work towards our enlightenment and spend all day philosophizing and meditating and doing magic. That should be the ideal we strive towards.We can do that while occasionally indulging in alcohol, marijuana and psylicybin.
I've heard that the ancient persians did a thing were they would all get drunk and have someone write down everything they said and then they would gather the next day and pour over what was said the night before and discuss it. That doesn't seem like a half bad idea to me.
>The ones that were smoking marijuana right in front of me were very adamant that they could describe what it was like. They said it was calming, that it made them more relaxed, that it made a lot of things more enjoyable, and also that it made their irises bigger even when there was a lot of light out (and I checked and what they said was true). Marijuana removes the stress from things and makes going about your day a lot easier.I don't think the Iris thing has to do with marijuana. and Marijuana is more of an end of the day drug more than a during the day drug.
>Also if you don't need drugs to stay healthy then you are also a superior being to one who requires them. Deal with it.So dogs are superior to most humans in the United States?
don't answer that>Maybe you should just be like our experimental drugs wizard who combines music and art and drugs altogether into his magical works and sees what he can accomplishes? I'm staying away from those things myself though, at least the drugs and music.Well I'm not familiar with him and I'm not saying you should do drugs. Actually I think you should try marijauna perhaps, but I don't really want to encourage it. I'm just saying it's not a big deal if someone does use marijuana. And I agree with you that material existence is like hell and I just have a different view on the remedy. I'm not in total disagreement with you, but I'm just not on board with your extreme gnosticism. That's what it seems to be anyway. I don't know there is life after death, there certainly could be, but it doesn't seem wise to just put all our eggs in the basket of life after death and assume we should disregard this reality we are in and not have any concern for it or support a worthwhile initiative in this existence.
>>3868How can you know it's being properly replicated if it can't be properly described?
>>3872>no, I'm not a christfag, though I have a bit of respect for christianity and it's development.Whatever you're still influenced by the worst aspects of the religion.
>ok, I've never admitted to being insincere. And it is you who seems more insincere. Treating happiness as a significant metric and then saying it doesn't matter.Says the guy who said
"I was obviously speaking facetiously there." Facetiously = insincere. I never treated happiness as a significant metric or whatever the fuck you're saying there. I said that happiness doesn't matter and that if one wants to be happy they should do so by willing it and not be material means.
>ok, is that possible? I doubt it could be proved.It's possible and various aspects of this possibility are proven by a variety of studies.
>I respect asceticism and stuff like that, but I don't believe that that is the end in and of itself. For people to just sit around meditating. Some of that is good, but people should also enjoy the fruits of existence in my opinion. With caution of course.You seem to think meditating is a whole lot of nothing and not a way to access higher planes where things way beyond anything possible in the material can be done.
>We can do that while occasionally indulging in alcohol, marijuana and psylicybin.Those things would weaken and hinder your development unless perhaps you use it as a test of your will where you use your will to negate the effects of the drug on your body.
>I've heard that the ancient persians did a thing were they would all get drunk and have someone write down everything they said and then they would gather the next day and pour over what was said the night before and discuss it. That doesn't seem like a half bad idea to me.Seems stupid to me. I wouldn't participate in something like that nor would I expect anything interesting to come out of something like that.
>I don't think the Iris thing has to do with marijuana. and Marijuana is more of an end of the day drug more than a during the day drug.They were smoking it in the middle of day in-between attending classes… also I must wonder if you even do marijuana at all if you aren't aware of the iris thing.
>So dogs are superior to most humans in the United States?Well in terms of health and immunity maybe but not really because they aren't quite as adaptable as humans, they don't live as long as humans, and they can't have much in the way of varied diet without getting sick.
You bringing up dogs is irrelevant here. Human A that needs drugs to get by is inferior to Human B that doesn't need drugs, all other variables being the same between them.
>don't answer thatToo late.
>Well I'm not familiar with him and I'm not saying you should do drugs.Familiar with whom? I didn't refer to anyone.
>Actually I think you should try marijauna perhaps, but I don't really want to encourage it. I'm just saying it's not a big deal if someone does use marijuana.I throw up a lot of fuss over things like coffee and other stuff too you know when someone gets into an argument with me about it.
>And I agree with you that material existence is like hell and I just have a different view on the remedy. I'm not in total disagreement with you, but I'm just not on board with your extreme gnosticism.You can't transcend material existence if you rely upon material things to be. So one should strive to overcome all material things.
>That's what it seems to be anyway. I don't know there is life after death, there certainly could be, but it doesn't seem wise to just put all our eggs in the basket of life after death and assume we should disregard this reality we are in and not have any concern for it or support a worthwhile initiative in this existence.There is both life after death and reincarnation. Nothing can ever truly die. Stuff doesn't just disappear and that's it. There are many many many things for you to read and watch and listen to to understand this for yourself. I shall quote Hermes Trismegistus in a second post for you on this matter… for now this passage from The Kybalion shall do:
>Do not make the mistake of supposing that the little world you see around you — the Earth, which is a mere grain of dust in the Universe — is the Universe itself. There are millions upon millions of such worlds, and greater. And there are millions of millions of such Universes in existence within the Infinite Mind of THE ALL. And even in our own little solar system there are regions and planes of life far higher than ours, and beings compared to which we earth-bound mortals are as the slimy life-forms that dwell on the ocean's bed when compared to Man. There are beings with powers and attributes higher than Man has ever dreamed of the gods' possessing. And yet these beings were once as you, and still lower — and you will be even as they, and still higher, in time, for such is the Destiny of Man as reported by the Illumined.
>And Death is not real, even in the Relative sense — it is but Birth to a new life — and You shall go on, and on, and on, to higher and still higher planes of life, for aeons upon aeons of time. The Universe is your home, and you shall explore its farthest recesses before the end of Time. You are dwelling in the Infinite Mind of THE ALL, and your possibilities and opportunities are infinite, both in time and Space. And at the end of the Grand Cycle of Aeons, when THE ALL shall draw back into itself all of its creations — you will go gladly, for you will then be able to know the Whole Truth of being At One with THE ALL. Such is the report of the Illumined — those who have advanced well along The Path.
>And, in the meantime, rest calm and serene — you are safe and protected by the Infinite Power of the FATHER-MOTHER MIND.http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php?chapter=V The Sixteenth Book
That None of the Things that are, can Perish.
1. Hermes. We must now speak of the Soul and Body, O Son; after what manner the Soul is Immortal, and what operation that is, which constitutes the Body, and dissolves it.
2. But in none of these is Death, for it is a conception of a name, which is either an empty word, or else it is wrongly called Death (by the taking away the first letter,) instead of Immortal. [Thanatos for Athanatos.]
3. For Death is destruction, but there is nothing in the whole world that is destroyed.
4. For if the World be a second God, and an Immortal living Wight, it is impossible that any part of an Immortal living Wight should die.
5. But all things that are in the World, are members of the World, especially Man, the reasonable living Wight.
6. For the first of all is God, the Eternal and Unmade, and the Workman of all things.
7. The second is the World, made by him, after his own Image and by him holden together, and nourished, änd immortalized; and as from its own Father, ever living.
8. So that as Immortal, it is ever living, and ever immortal.
9. For that which is ever living, differs from that which is eternal.
10. For the Eternal was not begotten, or made by another; and if it were begotten or made, yet it was made by itself, not by any other, but it is always made.
11. For the Eternal, as it is Eternal, is the Universe.
12. For the Father himself, is Eternal of himself, but the World was made by the Father, ever living and immortal.
13. And as much Matter as there was laid up by him, the Father made it all into a Body, and swelling it, made it round like a Sphere, endued it with Quality, being itself immortal, and having Eternal Materiality.
14. The Father being full of Ideas, sowed Qualities in the Sphere, and shut them up, as in a Circle, deliberating to beautify with every Quality, that which should afterwards be made.
15. Then clothing the Universal Body with Immortality, lest the Matter, if it would depart from this Composition, should be dissolved into its own disorder.
16. For when the Matter was incorporeal, O Son, it was disordered, and it hath here the same confusion daily revolved about other little things, endued with Qualities, in point of Augmentation, and Diminution, which men call Death, being indeed a disorder happening about earthly living wights.
17. For the Bodies of Heavenly things have one order, which they have received from the Father at the Beginning, and is by the instauration of each of them, kept indissolveable.
18. But the instauration of earthly Bodies, is their consistence; and their dissolution restores them into indissoluble, that is, Immortal.
19. And so there is made a privation of Sense, but not a destruction of Bodies.
20. Now the third living wight is Man, made after the Image of the World; and having by the Will of the Father, a Mind above other earthly wights.
21. And he hath not only a sympathy with the second God, but also an understanding of the first.
22. For the second God, he apprehends as a Body but the first, he understands as Incorporeal, and the Mind of the Good.
23. Tat. And doth not this living Wight perish?
24. Hermes. Speak advisedly, O Son, and learn what God is, what the World, what an Immortal Wight, and what a dissolvable One is.
25. And understand that the World is of God and in God; but Man of the World and in the World.
26. The Beginning, and End, and Consistence of all, is God.
man, I wish I had marijuana right now. I don't want to encourage it's use, but I really like it and honestly don't feel it is bad for me. I can't explain it, but it really does have an almost magical quality to it. People say marijuana makes you lazy and stupid, but I feel just the opposite. When I'm stoned, I'm more motivated to work on things and explore things through thought. Smoking it a lot can make you feel kind of dull, but a few times a week and taking a break once in awhile seems to be a good way to use it. For ascetic types, I don't really believe in the extreme asceticism people are advocating here, it is also good, or seems so, maybe there is a cost. It can make you content with less.
Anyway, I had an epiphany of sorts this weekend. Techy and gamer culture are worse than stoner culture.
