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No. 2735
WHICH ONE ARE YOU /fringe/ WIZARDS?

A bodhisattva is someone who says from the depth of his or her heart, “I want to be liberated and find ways to overcome all the problems of the world. I want to help all my fellow beings to do likewise. I long to attain the highest state of everlasting peace and happiness, in which all suffering has ceased, and I want to do so for myself and for all sentient beings.” According to the Buddha’s teaching, anyone who makes this firm and heartfelt commitment is a bodhisattva. We become bodhisattvas from the moment we have this vast and open heart, called bodhichitta, the mind bent on bringing lasting happiness to all sentient beings.
Buddhist literature defines three types of bodhisattvas: the king-like bodhisattva, the captain-like bodhisattva, and the shepherd-like bodhisattva.

A king-like bodhisattva is like a good king who first wants everything luxurious for himself, like a big palace, a large entourage, a beautiful queen, and so on. But once his happiness has been achieved, he also wants to help and support his subjects as much as possible. Accordingly, a kinglike bodhisattva has the motivation, “First, I want to free myself from samsara and attain perfect enlightenment. As soon as I have reached buddhahood, I will help all other sentient beings to become buddhas as well.”

A captain-like bodhisattva would say, “I would like to become a buddha, and I will take all other sentient beings along with me so that we reach enlightenment together.” This is just as the captain of a ship crosses the sea, he takes his passengers with him, and they reach the far shore simultaneously.

A shepherd-like bodhisattva is inspired by thinking, “I want to help all sentient beings to reach enlightenment and see the truth. Only when this is achieved and samsara is emptied will I become a buddha myself.” In actual fact it may not happen this way, but anyone who has this motivation is called a “shepherd-like bodhisattva.” In the old days, sheep were not kept in fenced pastures, and the shepherds had to bring them down from the mountains to protect them from wolves. They would follow behind the sheep, guiding them into their pen and lock them in. A shepherd would take care of his sheep first, and only then would he go home and eat.
The bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara developed this shepherdlike motivation and is therefore considered to be the most courageous and compassionate of beings. He vowed, “I will not attain complete enlightenment until I have led all sentient beings to liberation without leaving a single one behind.”

Ringu Tulku Rinpoche.
No.2736
King-like bodhisattva reporting in.

No.2739
A king-like bodhisattva.

Shepard is impossible in a human life-time and maybe even ever until everything collapses.

The captain is the noble choice and I applaud anyone who tries.

No.2740
Captain bodhisattva.

I recognize that people as individuals can be outliers, but I can also agree with the collective consciousness sentiment of
>I am not perfect until all are.
That the shepherd has.

I just see taking those along with you on your journey as being more pragmatic. To enlight those around you (and thus by degrees of separation, every one) rather than attempting to build a 'white tower' in the darkness seems the path of least resistance.

No.2742>>2746
The problem I have with king-like is if you don't attain it within your life time then your life's works is not shared with any one else.

No.2743
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Captain-like bodhisattva reporting in.

I wish you positivity and good vibes to you all.

No.2746>>2747
>>2742
Hmmm best to do updates then showing your progress and your work so if you get close to the final goal people can look at what you did or in case enlightenment totally shuffles you off this plane of being you leave something behind.

No.2747>>2748
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>>2746
It's not about looking/proving things can be like this/that. It's about belief.
Believing you have no boundaries. Believing enlightenment is attainable.

No.2748>>2749
>>2747
>says the dude who isn't yet enlightened

I'll know it when I'm there I guess.

No.2749
>>2748
Indeed I am not enlightened yet, but I know I will be, because I believe.

No.2779>>2799
I dunno, sometimes I'm a selfless herder, sometimes I'm an eager captain.

Sometimes I just wish to rush to spiritual rest and exist in total solitude forever like the king described.

I guess I'm all of them. I don't fucking know. I would like my earthly existence to be done with. I feel like I might be a quarter way done with my incarnations, but I really have to say physical existence is just hell, I remember back in elementary shcool I got called into the counselor's office because I always talked about committing suicide, back then I even told my dad that school was like slavery based on the observations I made and how I felt, my mom died when I was 7, and she was an incredibly loving, caring, nurturing figure for me, and she was about 35, I guess she didn't need to live that long in this incarnation to fulfill her duties, huh?

I don't know, I don't mean to ramble on about myself egotistically I'm just trying to say I fucking hate living on earth and fucking loathe being a physical being. If Gnosticism is right and what put us here is an enslaver and not the ultimate God I'm going to be even more pissed. I just want to be done with reincarnation and growth and being inside of a body. I really do..

No.2799>>4066>>14528>>14541
To me the only sensible path is the king-like one. The captain doesn't really know what he's doing and the shepherd even more so. Only by actually going down the path will I be able to help others. I try to share my findings along the way and give my ideas as to how to actually get there of course but I don't think that I'll ever liberate anyone else until I've liberated myself.

>>2779
>I would like my earthly existence to be done with.

I know that feel. I absolutely hate this place and legit believe I am in hell. I've thought about the problem of evil and about suffering and about what the perfect hell would be like a lot and came to the conclusion that THIS is the perfect hell. It's just the right balance of vices, pleasure, a shred of hope, etc. just enough to make you hurt all the more and as long as possible for the majority of the time. This place tortures you in ways that merely being chained to a column and whipped or something won't, it fucks with you on so many levels. The way we are grinded to death in the matrix control system where we have to struggle so hard to have our minds enslaved and our time wasted and to be let down and… the spiritual malice, the boredom, the incomprehension, the feeling of limitation, the random chance bullshit that never goes your way, etc. it's fucking awful. Mentally, spiritually; in every way imaginable this physical existence fucking tortures you.

>I feel like I might be a quarter way done with my incarnations, but I really have to say physical existence is just hell, I remember back in elementary shcool I got called into the counselor's office because I always talked about committing suicide, back then I even told my dad that school was like slavery based on the observations I made and how I felt, my mom died when I was 7, and she was an incredibly loving, caring, nurturing figure for me, and she was about 35, I guess she didn't need to live that long in this incarnation to fulfill her duties, huh?


School is slavery. I am so mad at my mom for birthing me and then for raising me so poorly. I hate the academic system. It is DAMAGING TO YOUR MIND to go through that. If they cared about us they'd teach us to be healthy, to meditate, and to empower ourselves in a lot of ways. We'd learn memory techniques and do all kinds of practices that would actually benefit us in life. Instead we get grinded, fed propaganda all day, and have our time wasted on BULLSHIT that doesn't help us in life and doesn't mean anything!!

I've got hundreds of suicide notes and think about killing myself constantly. I keep my conversations about it online mostly but sometimes I say to people offline as well that I want to die, that I wish I wasn't born, that I am trapped in hell, and that I hate everyone. I can't even be fucking bothered to follow social conventions but I'm also super reclusive so rarely do I ever actually talk to people but when I do the really disturbed thoughts I have tend to come out. I have just been looking for escape for years and I want OUT. I hate this life and don't want a part of it.

>I don't know, I don't mean to ramble on about myself egotistically I'm just trying to say I fucking hate living on earth and fucking loathe being a physical being. If Gnosticism is right and what put us here is an enslaver and not the ultimate God I'm going to be even more pissed. I just want to be done with reincarnation and growth and being inside of a body. I really do..


I'm a gnostic. I absolutely loathe being a physical being too. I don't think there is a natural progress from life-to-life, I think we just keep getting cut down again & again, and that to ascend we probably have to do it in one life-time OR we have to get to a point of development (in one life time) where a good part of ourselves is successfully preserved between incarnations so we don't FORGET and can actually benefit from our accumulated experiences. That's part of why I haven't committed suicide yet, I'm terrified of just losing my progress and being haplessly immersed in physicality for who knows how many subsequent lives still. I put my hopes in the possibility that one day during astral projection I will find a way to permanently sever the link between my astral body and my physical one and this will be the way I escape from the Demiurge's trap. I wish I could find someone who has already done this and could lead me out of here. I feel like if anyone finds a way to escape the physical planes they should be duty-bound to help as many others as they can for at least awhile or at least until they've helped maybe a hundred people escape and each person in turn should try to do the same. Then when they've helped as many souls as they can escape they should tell the ones they free'd to do the same and they themselves can retire to life in the astral. We must liberate as many souls as we can from the demiurge!

No.4066
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>>2799
have someone kills you while you're out in the astral,
that might do the trick, or not.

No.14528
>>2799
>To me the only sensible path is the king-like one. The captain doesn't really know what he's doing and the shepherd even more so. Only by actually going down the path will I be able to help others. I try to share my findings along the way and give my ideas as to how to actually get there of course but I don't think that I'll ever liberate anyone else until I've liberated myself.

Agreed strongly.

No.14541
>>2799
>I hate everyone. I can't even be fucking bothered to follow social conventions but I'm also super reclusive so rarely do I ever actually talk to people but when I do the really disturbed thoughts I have tend to come out. I have just been looking for escape for years and I want OUT. I hate this life and don't want a part of it.

Haha, I legitimately wondered for a moment if I had written this post and forgotten about it.

I've realized that I'm not even interested in enlightenment or nirvana or whatever anymore. I don't want to merge with god and exist in eternal bliss or whatever the endgame supposedly is. I just want to find a way to annihilate my consciousness. This whole thing is ridiculous and I want out.

This bodhisattva crap, for instance. If the point of our miserable existence is to escape from it, why are we here in the first place? If our natural state is one of joy and unity with all things, how did we end up as suffering meatbags, and why do we have to spend a thousand lifetimes dying repeatedly before we can go back to that? What sort of idiot god came up with this system? And don't blame it on the Demiurge; if he exists, he's only symptomatic of a larger incompetence in the upper management.

I want to be the edgiest bodhisattva of them all. When I become Buddha, however many incarnations that takes, I'm going to use my siddhis to start dismantling the universe.

No.14544
I'm not a bodhisattva. I seek my own enlightenment and help my kin, but am not beholden to them.

In fact as far as real life goes I tend to avoid speaking about spiritual matters. Most are too stupid to think beyond their present addictions, and those who aren't will find their own answers in due time. All preaching to them would do is make me seem like an asshat.

Better to live as an example, and those who see wisdom in your actions can simply copy you if they wish.

No.14580>>14582
I'm going with king-like. I take the position that before one can spread love to others, he must first know how to love himself. I'm on a crusade against my illusory neuroses and insecurities that lie residual from childhood. I forgive everyone for the pain they've tried to impress upon me, because I understand my freewill in accepting or rejecting their dogmas. And I feel compassion towards those people because I see how their outward hate is only a reflection of their own inner pain, which was impressed upon them through the circumstances of their life. The human experience is a big game - an economic exchange almost - of receiving impressions and of impressing upon others, and each player of the game is mostly the sum total of the impressions they've allowed in.
An individual's life is nothing more than a "feedback loop" whose nature is whatever mode of perception a person chooses to assume. The world is scary and dangerous only if you choose to see it as such. People are terrible monsters only if you choose to see them as such. No matter how compelling these thoughts may be, it will never change the fact that they are neither correct or incorrect, simply what we've chosen to assume. And because the mind literally shapes reality, this is why we have magick, the law of attraction, etc. To those who say they hate/loathe this and that, ask yourself why that is. Because I think everything can be seen as two sides of one. Your hate of one state of affairs is just an experience of being in love with an ideal that you haven't attained. You've assumed a state of lack, and therefore a state of hate. Could you simply fall in love with the ideal and disregard the feeling of hate? Try it.
I think the "divine purpose" is really just unity. The feeling of unity is the utter cessation of all suffering - no longing, no sense of lack, and of course no "boredom" with experiencing unity. Pure bliss and satisfaction, unimaginable to us in terms of a mental model. You don't think about it, you just experience it. I think that's why we're driven to find true love in other people, because a true union of two people means losing oneself - literally losing the sense of self - within that shared feeling. Life's literally a puzzle, with every person's consciousness being a piece of the grand whole consciousness. The force that guides the pieces together is positivity itself - love, joy, happiness, laughter, satisfaction, etc. That is, the cessation of all suffering. That's why it feels so "right" to experience the purest form of romantic love and/or sex that two people can have - because it's a taste of unity, a taste of being God. That's why, when we share a round of the most intense gut-busting laughter with our companions, we take on the sense of universal brotherhood, that life is beautiful and there's nothing to worry about. That's why it's so nice to cuddle ourselves into a trance. Tastes of being God.
I think there are many paths to "enlightenment," and sitting alone and depriving yourself of all sensation, thought, and desire is just one of them, because this is essentially a simulation of dying. Losing oneself in a shared experience of positivity may be another. Death, "enlightenment," and pure unconditional love are the same thing.

No.14582>>14583
>>14580
Your compassion and wisdom are beautiful. I hope I can attain the understanding you seem to possess.

No.14583>>14606>>14609
>>14582
I'm going to expand on my borderline incoherent rambling, in case it helps anyone, or me.
I've learned to not think too much about the universe, you might go insane. But it helps to understand the idea that duality really is an illusion.
The reason "love" fails so often these days is because people enter relationships always seeking something in the other person - validation, sexual gratification, strength, balance. Don't bother ever dwelling on what other minds are thinking, because every other mind is just an aspect of you and you of them. Concern yourself only with that which you impress upon others, not what is impressed upon them: these are just "separate" perspectives of the exact same process, you see? The separateness is an illusion, because what you give out and what others receive from you are exactly the same thing. Selfishness and selflessness are different perspectives of the same process. Concern yourself only with yourself by, rather than always seeking something in other people, sending out love and beauty all the time. There's no reason to fret, wondering if this person truly loves you, if this person is cheating, if you're "good enough" for this person. It's irrelevant, because they are you, and you are them, and we are God. Understand that your own insecurities are a choice resulting from illusory thought patterns of the ego that you picked up from, essentially, the hypnotic suggestion of the other insecure people since your childhood in the game of life. And focus solely on the act of transmitting what you would like to transmit, and naturally it will return to you. If you need another to "validate" who you are for you, it is equivalent to your own mind seeking validation from itself - a symptom of insecurity. If you distrust them, it's not a problem with them, but within your own mind and what you choose to assume about the world. If they betray you, consider the fact that they have egoic issues within them that you failed to assuage through your actions by standing idle as these issues overtook the person. If you don't feel close to them, understand what you are thinking or feeling that prevents you from getting close to them.
The beautiful feeling of intimacy with "other" people is really just the feeling of God becoming intimate with itself. If you would like to love, just love, and start by loving yourself. And start loving yourself by understanding why you have refused to love yourself.
I'm no scholar, but something tells me that this is the meaning of the story of Adam and Eve. They ate from the Tree of Knowledge and became aware of their nakedness, and ashamed. What happened was that they began identifying solely with their material forms in duality, and lost their shared state of innocent bliss. The serpent is, for the most part, the ego of man, which tempts man into this state of materialism and away from God.
I think many people get this sense that because the world is somehow an "illusion" that it must therefore be abhorred or rejected. That we must cut ties to the world in order to escape from it. Consider this: if you find yourself having to repress certain thoughts or feelings, is that not simply a different manner of giving merit to those things? In other words, fighting to repress that which is, is just a transmuted form of indulging in that which is. It's akin to trying to forget something ever happened by telling yourself "Don't think about the fact that it happened." You're investing yourself in that thing, only in a different manner. Let things be, and learn to heal rather than to repress, by understanding the relativity of your perceptions. You don't NEED to change anything in the universe, and through understanding this, you're FREE to change it however you'd like. If you feel fear at the thought of this total freedom, it's because you aren't free yet. You don't need to struggle.
It feels good to write things like this.

No.14606>>14609
>>14583
The more I contemplate, the more things I find worth saying. I won't bother stopping, and again, I hope others find something worthwhile in my words. I apologize, this will be a total mess.
In the past few days, I found myself teetering a lot on depression, overcome by the feeling of the universe as being a "mere" mental creation - an illusion that I'm trapped inside. I've felt like I ought to never find fulfillment in "earthly" affairs. I've entertained so many thoughts about infinity: infinite realities, infinite possibilities, infinite fragments of God. I've felt like, if there's this void of infinity I'm drifting around in, why am I "stuck" here in this realm? I need to escape this prison and experience the divine.
And then I realized something. That whole time, I was just trying to fathom infinity in my conscious mind. I was trying to translate infinity into words and pictures, which is impossible. As a result, my ego was lost in confusion and a sense of soul-crushing isolation, which I think some others out there may be feeling now as well. And I realized that infinity can only be EXPERIENCED, not thought of. Experiencing infinity is only done in the absence of thought. That is to say, an experience of the infinite is an experience of Love (which is my name for pure positivity, no suffering), and an experience of God.
God is the unconscious "witness," the "I" bearing life to all that enters the "mental womb" of the conscious mind. There is the "movie screen" where thoughts reside (the conscious), and there is the "audience" for those thoughts that gives them purpose for existing (the unconscious). And then I realized - expanding upon the last paragraph of my last post - that the whole time I was feeling this revulsion to the "mere" illusion of the mental creation around me, it was just me experiencing a different mental creation altogether. I erected the depression myself and chose to avoid letting go. Like I said in the earlier post, don't confuse renunciation of things with escape from them. The only "escape" from the illusion is to be at complete and utter peace with the illusion, which happens in knowing God in meditation, in the present moment.
This is where I think the realms of Zen Buddhism, Alan Watts, Eckhart Tolle, etc. meet the realms of occultism and magick. God and God's creation (the universe) become one as the mind itself: the former being the unconscious witness, the pure unthinking Love, the POWER behind creation and its reason for existing, the act of experience itself, the void of Chaos from which and to which everything that ever can be and ever has been resides, the pure satisfaction of any and all possible dualistic conflicts; the latter is creation itself, the apprehension of creation, the manifestation of any possibility as elected by the mind, an ordering of the chaos.
Divine experience, psychedelic trips, visions, channeling, telepathy, unconscious artistic inspiration, archetypes, mythological characters (gods, demons, etc.), sacred symbols, etc. etc. all come from this infinite well of the unconscious, because it is "collective" as God by its nature and can derive anything that exists in any conscious mind. The conscious mind is all those objects of thought actualized, because the mind perceiving the universe and the universe itself are one thing.
Again, because God is utter positivity, literally the whole purpose of life is to feel fucking good. This is the best summation I can come up with: Creation is the prism through which the pure Love of God has been refracted into an almost endless spectrum of different "colors." The chakras are a kind of mental bookkeeping method in making sure we experience the individual colors to bring the spectrum back together into the pure "white light" through our own being - among them are sexual pleasure, a sense of comfort, security, companionship, a sense of personal power, the satisfaction of success, shared experience beyond the bounds of ourselves, artistic expression, romantic love, coming to understand illusion, and on and on. We live in a kindergarten of imagination, tirelessly pursuing colors in this grand adventure. It's like a big puppet play, and we're both the puppets and the one puppetmaster pulling all the strings. We're making up our own conflicts, constructing new ways of experiencing the colors of ourself. We have all the infinite freedom to create, destroy, and rearrange reality in whatever ways we want, and we will never run out of new colors, no matter how much we doubt ourselves or how much we feel the need to avoid it. We are utterly free to abandon our desires through Buddhism or fulfill our desires through magick, so long as we do so through Love - our experience as God.
This shit is glorious, guys. Such beauty and fun.

No.14609>>14610
>>14606
>>14583
All your writing irritates me because it's grounds we've covered so many times already and I just want muh siddhis already.

No.14610
>>14609
That's okay.



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