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No. 2525
I'm not a fedora tipper, I DO believe in a creator,
but,

why would God throw us into this dog-eat-dog world full of oppression, terror and injustice just so that we could "grow spiritually", what exactly is the purpose of suffering in incarnation after incarnation?

To eventually become at one with the creator? Why could we not just skip the middle man if that's his end-goal? What kind of just god full of so called "love" would purposely put us in a terrible place so that we become motivated to escape it and end everything, when his motive is for us to escape everything by merging with him? Do we become gods ourselves after we reach the end of our spiritual growth, or maybe we need to aid this god in it's own spiritual growth, and there are more, higher-up, transcendent gods?

What's the big fucking metaphysical picture behind reincarnation, spiritual maturation and being thrown as a sheep into a lion's den? Because' if it's all just to merge with the creator then I am adhering to the left-hand path because then our creator would most definitely be a malicious, egotistical, and evil being.
No.2526>>2527
>why would God throw us into this dog-eat-dog world full of oppression, terror and injustice just so that we could "grow spiritually", what exactly is the purpose of suffering in incarnation after incarnation?

I've been thinking this exact same question OP and I don't know. It makes no sense. I personally think that God is an impersonal force that holds no prejudices and doesn't influence our development or anything, it only does that is necessary for God to do. I do also think however that there are other gods, not absolute gods in the sense of The All, who are not all powerful but who compared to us may as well be deities… and I think these lesser gods may be the source of our troubles. The corrupted demiurge for example is just awful and needs to be destroyed or overthrown. I think more advanced beings than us live on our suffering and so they perpetuate it.

>To eventually become at one with the creator? Why could we not just skip the middle man if that's his end-goal? What kind of just god full of so called "love" would purposely put us in a terrible place so that we become motivated to escape it and end everything, when his motive is for us to escape everything by merging with him? Do we become gods ourselves after we reach the end of our spiritual growth, or maybe we need to aid this god in it's own spiritual growth, and there are more, higher-up, transcendent gods?


Do you know about loosh farming? I think that astral energy and loosh powers reality creation and although it comes from an unlimited source it comes out at a limited rate which means the supply is limited for us and we have to fight over it. I think every astral being is struggling to secure the loosh supply and use it to empower itself and continue being. Look at how tulpas need us to feed them emotion to develop properly and how they become parasitic, it basically works like that. These demonic beings of a lower order than us do not have a direct connection to the source like we do and they have to manipulate us to survive. That's why things are constructed the way they are.

>What's the big fucking metaphysical picture behind reincarnation, spiritual maturation and being thrown as a sheep into a lion's den? Because' if it's all just to merge with the creator then I am adhering to the left-hand path because then our creator would most definitely be a malicious, egotistical, and evil being.


Maybe we created our own hell.

http://montalk.net/gnosis
http://montalk.net/synchronicity/synchronicity.html

No.2527>>2528
>>2526
well then, I guess I should become a Luciferian. Power and knowledge, right?
How do I manipulate my will to grow stronger? What should I be searching for in my introspective meditation?

Is there ever tranquility? This life or the next? Is there never escape of the spirit once merged with the demiurge? Why is even postmortem existence wretched? Who is to blame and how to escape?

No.2528>>2529
>>2527
>well then, I guess I should become a Luciferian. Power and knowledge, right?

Maybe. I don't like to interpret things through biblical terms like "Lucifer" and "Satan" and so on though without them being clearly defined because everyone seems to believe and say everything about these particular names and it makes the names meaningless I think.

>How do I manipulate my will to grow stronger?


Through the practice of virtue? Resist vices, focus hard, do all kinds of things that test your will.

>What should I be searching for in my introspective meditation?


There are many different types of meditation. What type are you doing? Are you just sitting around and thinking stuff over? In my view that is the lamest form of meditation but probably only because it's so easy and I do it constantly.

>Is there ever tranquility? This life or the next?


I don't know. I think it's important to consciously choose where you go. That's why I research all this stuff like The Dying God Myth, those buddhist teachings about the afterlife, Conscious Dying, etc. I want to find a way to break the bond between soul and body so I can free my astral body and operate two bodies independently of each other at once, so I can act like a constant probe of the astral while in the physical at the same time.

>Is there never escape of the spirit once merged with the demiurge?


I would hope so. It seems so incredibly hard to escape the body though, one always is bound to return to a physical body it seems. Probably one good reason to not kill yourself through physical means is you might just end up in another physical body… got to find a way to make a permanent disconnection.

>Why is even postmortem existence wretched?


Not sure what you mean here but if you mean the astral planes they're pretty awesome so long as you avoid the bad parts and depending also on what you consider the bad parts. For me the bad parts are the mostly empty (as in nobody is around, it's very lonely and lifeless) and disorienting places where the planes constantly shift around you. Also getting trapped somewhere isn't ever good, it's hard to physically trap another entity in the astral, but you can get trapped when something else works its influence over your mind and makes you believe you are trapped. Then you might get stuck somewhere for a long while before some random event or simply getting disconnected from the astral lets you out.

>Who is to blame and how to escape?


http://montalk.net/about/212/glossary#demiurge

The Human Condition'

For now there is imbalance. Too many people are blind and deaf to the impulses of spirit. Further, they feed and defend the egotistical, primal, and irrational impulses that spring forth from negative programs and energies lodged in their subconscious. Lower subverts higher. These are not isolated cases; it’s an epidemic.

It’s clear from observation that we are born with certain genetic design flaws, such as being handicapped against using our full brain capacity and being confined to mere five-sense perception. It’s also clear that the world we enter is generally antagonistic to spirit. Thus, both “nature” and “nurture” are set in opposition to spirit from the start. Only through much divine support and spiritual strength does an individual defy material determinism and use obstacles as stepping stones toward spiritual awakening. Such cases are rare, and it seems people are generally crushed, deformed, and shaped by such stones instead, as one would expect if spirit offers no counterweight to the determinism of nature and nurture.

Interestingly, Gnostics viewed the Demiurge as not only the fashioner of this world, but also the maker of the human race. Likewise, some modern fringe schools of thought view negative hyper-dimensional entities as our genetic creators and ongoing spacetime manipulators6. Indeed, there is clearly an external malevolent variable intruding into the human equation. This suggests evil is not always the product of human failings, rather human failings are frequently the product of an external evil.

For too many humans, their lower egos have shut the off from spirit — their personal Demiurge is corrupt and has shut them off from Nous. But this merely mirrors a more universal manifestation of same. Our world appears to be in the grip of an entitized Demiurge with a strong self-preservation instinct oriented toward control. It fashions our reality and biases the probability of events in contravention to the divine design set forth by the universal Logos. It is the matrix gone awry, the thought-form of the universe turned parasite. How this came about is the subject of another article.

http://montalk.net/gnosis/171/corruption-of-the-demiurge

No.2529>>2530
>>2528
>Are you just sitting around and thinking stuff over?

Well, I suppose so. I try to consciously observe my thoughts as a witness, not identifying with them, and also consciously trying to clear my mind, be at blackness. Just blackness and tranquility.

I also try to astral project via meditation when I'm lying in bed about to sleep, still have not managed to willfully do it, although did have an OBE one time after awaking from a dream and being in a weird sleepy,half-awake state of consciousness. But to answer your question, just bliss/clearing mind meditation, and unsuccessful attempts at APing.


Is there any one way to the transcendent God? Will the demiurge be punished by it? Should I just seek out my own pathway to it? Also what is the Gnostic take on aliens? It always talks about this world being evil, humans being forsaken by our creator demiurge, surely they would have been made by the same god if part of the same universe?

No.2530>>2531
>>2529
>Well, I suppose so. I try to consciously observe my thoughts as a witness, not identifying with them, and also consciously trying to clear my mind, be at blackness. Just blackness and tranquility.

>not doing deity meditation, tummo meditation, walking meditation, and any sort of meditation involving focusing on a form and making it clear and vivid in your mind.


Clearing your mind is supposed to prepare you for something else not be an end in itself you know.

>I also try to astral project via meditation when I'm lying in bed about to sleep, still have not managed to willfully do it, although did have an OBE one time after awaking from a dream and being in a weird sleepy,half-awake state of consciousness. But to answer your question, just bliss/clearing mind meditation, and unsuccessful attempts at APing.


Why do people have such difficulty APing? It's not that hard. What are you doing wrong?

>Is there any one way to the transcendent God?


I don't know. Maybe we're not meant to ever be God but we can become something else. I personally think that we can experience an expansion of spirit wherein our spirit works through more things at once than just our mere body, like, your senses aren't just confined to one body but reach out beyond it and you feel through other things like a vibration moving through it all.

>Will the demiurge be punished by it?


I don't think so but I think we could overthrow the demiurge somehow.

>Should I just seek out my own pathway to it?


I don't know. I think it's best to just expand your mind, strengthen your astral body, enhance all your cognitive capacities, become very powerful. Our condition is rather inferior and we need to overcome our own weaknesses before we can really comprehend and do more.

>Also what is the Gnostic take on aliens?


There are many different takes on it you can read at: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_tema.htm

>It always talks about this world being evil, humans being forsaken by our creator demiurge, surely they would have been made by the same god if part of the same universe?


That's how I feel about this world. I think humans might have been an open source project of sorts that were created by multiple creators and edited and revised many times over as each "contributed code" sort of.

No.2531
>>2530
The gnostic higher-up-than-the-demiurge god I mean, in what way do we reach him? Gnosis is so ambiguous it's just I don't even know besides just being spiritually curious and actively seeking out knoweledge.

The ideal afterlife, which isn't really metaphysics but just my wishful thinking, would be aloneness in a created forest, where it's always raining, at night, just solitiude and tranquility, and maybe the ability to create some things in your own individual plane. Not merge with a god, not reside in emptiness in so called buddhist "enlightenment", or dwell in emptiness in heaven, just solitude, contentedness, my own personal realm. Ya know?

As for astral projection, I don't know, I lay down, in darkness, close my eyes, focus on my breathing for a while and consciously relax my muscles everywhere, just try to stay in that meditational sweet spot of having a blank slate for consciousness and I suppose my error is trying to do it too soon, I'm pretty sure after a while just sitting there in mental emptiness, physical stillness I try to rise, but this never works, and I'm pretty sure I just like tense up and try to push my entire body upwards instead of actually doing anything with my astral body. I suppose I get impatient and rush it without getting any signs, like vibrations, to go ahead and will my body upwards

No.2572
>>2525
Novelty.

Have you considered how boring existing as one infinite greater divine whole, forever, entirely comprehending of oneself and every other possible self might get? I imagine the answer is 'extremely.'

It is a crude comparison, but think of it this way; it's slumming for metaphysical beings. Souls that descend to worlds like this, I imagine, are so absolutely sick of a perfect existence that their higher selves would rather suffer half-aware under a lens of lower illusion than continuing to be as they are. So the greater whole splits apart again and embarks on a new great material fiction, building themselves back up to the great whole and then splitting again. I really do wonder what was so boring that I thought this nonsense was an improvement.



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