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08/19/14 (Tue) 18:53:22 No. 15748

What's /fringe/s opinion on entheogens?

Shrooms pulled me out of my depression, and I plan on partaking in a peyote spirit walk the night of Oct 8th.

Anyone have experience with them? Are they useful for mystic purposes?

08/19/14 (Tue) 19:39:58 No.15753>>15765

This is my official position:

- it is required for some people to get out of their stupid materialistic way of thinking, but for some people it only leads them astray into delusion further
- one should use ascetic practises instead

Basically like in The Way of The Shaman where that guy takes Ayahuasca. You know how the other shamans told him it wasn't really necessary for him to do that but in some cases for some people it's the easiest way to make them see?

OP you should do stuff like Holotropic breathing instead.

I've never done drugs on this physical plane but while I'm the astral I've ingested drugs there and actually experienced crazy awesome effects as a result which have even carried over into my waking conscious state. If you're in the astral you can do drugs there and get the same effects.

08/19/14 (Tue) 23:42:21 No.15765

>>15753
Thanks for the suggestion, any resources?

I still plan on doing the spirit walk because the full moon should have a very substantial effect on the experience. Ill probably leave it at that though until i do ayahuasca.

I agree though, "once you get the message, hang up the phone."

08/20/14 (Wed) 02:34:00 No.15772>>15781

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>>15748
>What's /fringe/s opinion on entheogens?

What exactly constitutes an entheogen can range pretty wildly, however a large chunk of them are for the most part completely harmless. Psychedelic tryptamines for example are less toxic on the body than caffeine. The only possible thing using them could do is give you a new vantage point on life, and not to mention a really fun time.

Datura on the other hand, which has been used by shamans for thousands of years, is extremely dangerous and operates literally by inducing temporary Alzheimer's disease. This is an entheogen to be avoided.

08/20/14 (Wed) 04:29:17 No.15781>>15863

>>15772
Oh of course. Everyone who is interested in consciousness altering chemicals should do extensive research before consuming.

These posts in no way condone the use of illicit drugs.

Any experience with microdosing? Anecdotal stories of psylocibin and LSD microdosing is incredibly interesting. Would be a cool experiment.

08/20/14 (Wed) 07:14:41 No.15784>>15809

Only thing really worth doing is what thing where you take sleeping pills and caffeine like an energy drink or something and some melatonin and some citric acid all together so you are forced into full-blown astral projection. Then after that just learn to astral project normally without relying on altering your body chemistry like that.

08/20/14 (Wed) 15:01:02 No.15809>>15826

>>15784
can you elaborate?

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I think they can be useful, but only under proper guidance, in the proper setting and in the context of broader program of cleansing and development towards a specific goal.

Just taking drugs randomly doesn't achieve much, spiritually.

08/20/14 (Wed) 19:08:51 No.15826>>15832

>>15809
Stimulants + depressants combined, aka shit to keep you awake + shit to keep you asleep, results in forceful astral projection in a way you won't even be able to get back in your body for awhile and you'll be able to wander off through the multiverse and do whatever you want until the effects wear down.

Citric acid specifically increases lucidity, makes visualization easier.

Melatonin is something Tom Montalk takes all the time and it is supposed to help change your circadian rhythm and help you sleep although my own experiences with it are that it only does what I want it to do, like a super placebo pill.

08/20/14 (Wed) 19:48:09 No.15832>>15834

>>15826
>Stimulants + depressants combined, aka shit to keep you awake + shit to keep you asleep, results in forceful astral projection

aka death?

08/20/14 (Wed) 19:54:35 No.15834

>>15832
It doesn't cause you to die permanently. I die a lot though and keep resurrecting myself.

08/20/14 (Wed) 22:26:23 No.15863>>15870

>>15781
>Any experience with microdosing?

That's a word I've heard on occasion but never really investigated further. I'd be interested if you have anything to read on the matter.

08/21/14 (Thu) 00:34:46 No.15870>>15884

>>15863
http://www.highexistence.com/micro-dose-lsd-psychedelic/

this and possibly erowid are really the only sources. Its pretty niche, id love to give it a try sometime.

08/21/14 (Thu) 02:43:59 No.15876>>15881>>15882

I will totally do this soon with magic mushies rather than LSD, as that's what I have access to. And report back, of course.

The question being, do I dose 2-3 times seeing as how they last only 4-6 hours rather than 8-12 for LSD?

Seems like a good way to get my sleep cycle where I want it to be, if nothing else. Plus, I've wanted to meditate on entheogens for a while but every time I've dosed the experience itself has moved me to other actions due to the context of the situation. Friends around, music, etc.

Spiritually-focused dosing is the only way to go, regardless of how much you take. I want to throw up when I hear about people taking these substances to see cool visuals and feel good. Have some respect.

Also, I agree with the "unnecessary" aspect of the situation, as well as the planned obsolescence of the drug itself, if you will. I plan on doing the psychedelics that vibe with me most a few more times and putting them away for good. However, I probably wouldn't be here if I hadn't done them in the first place, at a much younger age.

08/21/14 (Thu) 03:25:33 No.15881>>15882>>15884

>>15876
microdosing is taking sub-threshold doses for an extended period of time.

So for shrooms it would be like 1g a day for a few weeks and see if you have any effects, which you def will.

08/21/14 (Thu) 03:45:37 No.15882>>15883>>15884

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>>15876
>>15881

I wonder how these people microdosing are avoiding the extreme tolerance buildup, or if they are at all. With normal doses of psychedelics tolerance jumps massively after just a single use, with LSD it's to the point where you'd have to use three times the amount the next day in order to feel the same effects.

It's possible these people are feeling a true difference the first day, however running on nothing but placebo afterwards.

08/21/14 (Thu) 05:14:43 No.15883>>15888

>>15882
>>15882
http://www.reddit.com/r/microdosing/

Perusing this might be interesting.

AFAIK i think its an every other day or every 2 days, you are correct that the tolerance buildup would make the effects negligible.

08/21/14 (Thu) 05:18:37 No.15884

>>15881
Well actually the article linked by
>>15870
says that it would be .5g or so, taken at the start of the day, and then going on about your regular business. I would assume that to provide the same experience as the LSD microdose, though, you'd need to redose at least once depending on how long your waking day is. In fact, I will respectfully disagree that doing this multiple days in a row is necessary or even part of the protocol. While it may be implied, I didn't see anything in there about actually doing it as an everyday routine. It's presented more as an alternative paradigm for psychedelic use in general.

>>15882
Under the assumption of everyday microdosing:

By day 3 or so, regular dose wouldn't do at all anymore; you'd have to wonder if you're even microdosing anymore at that point, because even with tolerance your body will respond to the larger dose of alkaloids even if your mind isn't.

08/21/14 (Thu) 05:44:34 No.15888>>15889

>>15883
Thanks for the link, even though reddit is normally retarded. For example: they talk about MDMA microdosing. lel

Back to erowid it is. My old friend.

08/21/14 (Thu) 06:02:03 No.15889

>>15888
as shit as reddit is, its still a useful tool. With such a large community there is good info amiss all the garbage