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Thought Experiment 07/30/14 (Wed) 03:06:01 No. 14682

We can all accept that the mind is really powerful and can generate experiences of whole new reality in vivid detail right? Even the retarded hardline materialist sceptics usually can accept that fact right (I hope, I've seen some of them denying dreams exit, and similarly over-the-top physicalist claims that are totally out of touch with reality; I hope they were just trolling).

We can also accept that some people are better at this than others and certain habits can make it easier to fall into.

So why do so many people play stupid games and get caught up in things in life that aren't very rewarding experiences at all when they've got all this potential right there in their mind to be unlocked through the imagination?

The choice here is:

1. Be a cunt who hates fantasy and imagination and magic, doesn't want to play along, and instead engages in the bullshit and stress of this world in which you work a shitty job and spew stupid depressing slogans like YOLO and "Life is meaningless!" and gets divorced and blah blah normalfag shit.
2. Stop criticizing the strange dudes who think they're wizards and see what it is they're actually up to and try it out and have fun.

So many people get so angry when you start talking about magic. It's almost as bad as being racist in public, possibly worse. There's a huge stigma around magic and they think you're mentally ill.

So why are they like this? I think they've been programmed to respond that way because it's clearly not a rational response.

Personally whenever I see someone making some claims about something or putting a forward a position my goal has always been to be very receptive and polite and to try to understand them. These people who deny magic though are the same as the anti-racists who deny race out of hand, they just KNOW it's wrong without ever having even seriously talked to an occultist, and think they can dismiss it just like that.

I don't know about you guys but if magic "isn't real" then I'd prefer to develop whatever these skills are that let oneself have a vivid imagination and I don't care if it means being out of touch with reality; who wants to be in touch with a reality as bleak as this one? …and if magic is real, I reap the benefits and the faggots who never believed won't.

Can anyone who is an ex-sceptic explain the way people react when you start talking about magic being real? A few people have thought I was joking at first btw but then realized I was serious and they always respond with a lot of fear and anger at that point.

07/30/14 (Wed) 03:17:56 No.14683>>14724

Why do mundanes fear magic so much and react so badly towards it?

07/30/14 (Wed) 03:37:48 No.14686

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07/30/14 (Wed) 21:17:54 No.14719>>14726

>So why do so many people play stupid games and get caught up in things in life that aren't very rewarding experiences at all when they've got all this potential right there in their mind to be unlocked through the imagination?

I could ask this question to about 95% of people on this website, including OP.

If you're confident and people like you, they won't question your beliefs. Being intelligent also helps.

07/30/14 (Wed) 23:29:49 No.14724>>14725>>14727

>>14683

>Can anyone who is an ex-sceptic explain the way people react when you start talking about magic being real? A few people have thought I was joking at first btw but then realized I was serious and they always respond with a lot of fear and anger at that point.

I think most people wish that they could control their lives and live without fear, which is the promise that magic offers. But most people give up on that notion at a certain point and accept that life is beyond their control, and that powerlessness is a fact of life you have to deal with. That's a painful realization.

When you show up talking about magic, it angers these people, because you're thumbing your nose at the painful reality they've learned to accept. In a sense, you're deriding their suffering as unnecessary and telling them that they're responsible for it because they didn't learn magic. You're also offering hope, but it's a false hope in their eyes, and nothing is more painful than a hope dashed.

90% of human behavior is ultimately about the avoidance of pain. The pain of accepting that life is ultimately a chaotic affair that cannot be controlled

07/30/14 (Wed) 23:37:26 No.14725>>14727

>>14724

… once was bad enough. People reject magic out of hand because they don't want to let their hopes up only to have to face that realization again.

(accidentally posted before I was finished)

I'm not an ex-skeptic, btw. If anything, I'm an ex-believer.

07/31/14 (Thu) 00:50:26 No.14726>>14730

>>14719
>I could ask this question to about 95% of people on this website, including OP.

>If you're confident and people like you, they won't question your beliefs. Being intelligent also helps.

That wasn't the point I was making you faggot. My point was basically this:

- why do shit in physical existence when you could just day dream a far better life experience

Think about it. Your whole life is a dream so what does it matter if you abandon the dream you don't like and live a different one instead, refusing to take part in this life?

If I keep my mind in an alternate reality all the time where things are very different and I have what I want then fuck this world and fuck those of you that would want shame me for rejecting your reality.

07/31/14 (Thu) 00:52:38 No.14727

>>14724
>>14725
wtf made you stop believing in magic and what stuff were you into?

You must have really sucked dick at magic.

07/31/14 (Thu) 02:07:42 No.14730>>14731

>>14726
> why do shit in physical existence when you could just day dream a far better life experience

Because some of us have a calling, a dream. The stars have aligned in our favour to do something good, to change things.

>Think about it. Your whole life is a dream so what does it matter if you abandon the dream you don't like and live a different one instead, refusing to take part in this life?

>If I keep my mind in an alternate reality all the time where things are very different and I have what I want then fuck this world and fuck those of you that would want shame me for rejecting your reality.

That'll be like cheating at a video game. Do you really earn anything in the end? We are all souls here to learn a lesson and move on, I'm not shaming you, but I as well see no current use for you.

07/31/14 (Thu) 02:19:23 No.14731>>14733

>>14730
>Because some of us have a calling, a dream.

So? What I'm saying is to dream. Also what I'm advocating would inevitably lead to a convergence of the dream with the objective reality.

This is addressed at sceptics who don't into magic you know. Just a way to trick them into getting into it and improving their self.

>That'll be like cheating at a video game.

No it would like mastering the game.

>Do you really earn anything in the end?

Yes. You sure do not learn anything however if you don't take an active role in reprogramming your reality and just passively accept the consensus programming.

>We are all souls here to learn a lesson and move on, I'm not shaming you, but I as well see no current use for you.

No we're not here to learn a lesson and move on or we wouldn't keep falling back into ignorance after each reincarnation. Our real purpose is, at least for animal man who fails to overcome his base nature, is to be the metaphysical food for higher forces to consume and assimilate. The predatory archons, the moon, etc.

Everything which is not worthy of the higher planes will be grinded up and consumed and they will be forced to incarnate again & again & again until they manage to cultivate something within themselves that is able to preserve itself through incarnations and begin true learning. There's no lesson, there is just the harsh reality of spiritual evolution, we must learn to survive in eternity or be grinded up by our own faltering will and low vibrations. The life of the average man is quite meaningless in the same way the life of one of our farm animals is nothing more than to be our food.

Now I wish to return you to the point of this thread; how do we trick animal men who are not receptive to magic into awakening to higher consciousness and beginning the path of illumination? How do we get them to read, wonder, observe, and experiment; so that they may realize miracles as well?

07/31/14 (Thu) 03:14:10 No.14733>>14734>>14735>>14744

>>14731
>>14731

>So? What I'm saying is to dream. Also what I'm advocating would inevitably lead to a convergence of the dream with the objective reality.
>This is addressed at sceptics who don't into magic you know. Just a way to trick them into getting into it and improving their self.

No, what you're saying is to forget physicality, forget the future, the past, and the present, all for selfishness. You take are delusional if this is the view you have, you will never reach what you seek on this path.

>No it would like mastering the game.

If you have the power to completely change the rules, then you are no longer playing the game, you are the game master.

>Yes. You sure do not learn anything however if you don't take an active role in reprogramming your reality and just passively accept the consensus programming… Our real purpose is, at least for animal man who fails to overcome his base nature, is to be the metaphysical food for higher forces to consume and assimilate… so that they may realize miracles as well?

You are straying from enlightenment, whatever cruel fate you have received, can be undone. You take on a pessimistic view of this beautiful world, we have nothing further to discuss.

Remember this, OP and all who read, we are here to make change, order from chaos. The masters of this become the winners.

07/31/14 (Thu) 03:19:27 No.14734>>14735>>14744

>>14733
>No, what you're saying is to forget physicality, forget the future, the past, and the present, all for selfishness. You take are delusional if this is the view you have, you will never reach what you seek on this path.

No you intentional misunderstander I'm trying to make the argument to unilluminated materialist swine who think magic is a joke to just go ahead and do it and "play pretend" until they end up realizing it's real.

>If you have the power to completely change the rules, then you are no longer playing the game, you are the game master.

That's what will happen if anyone imagines things enough, do you even law and the promise?

>You are straying from enlightenment, whatever cruel fate you have received, can be undone. You take on a pessimistic view of this beautiful world, we have nothing further to discuss.

No I am not ffs stop misinterpreting and misunderstanding the whole point of this thread. Of course I can undo fate and even revise the past.

>Remember this, OP and all who read, we are here to make change, order from chaos. The masters of this become the winners.

Nothing ever truly changes though, all possibilities remain whole within the implicate order. We are simply exploring the infinite and absolute divine mind of the creator.

07/31/14 (Thu) 06:12:27 No.14735

>>14734
>>14733
You're both correct. Destroying your self-made misery by abandoning desire to experience the beauty permeating reality is the same thing as satisfying your desire and experiencing the same beauty in your state of abandoned misery. Either way is a union of the conscious mind with the infinite mind; the synchronization of "objective" reality with your desired reality.
Take any path you want, as long as treading that path leads you to experience love.

07/31/14 (Thu) 14:42:54 No.14744>>14756

>>14733
>>14734
fucking samefag

07/31/14 (Thu) 21:04:22 No.14756

>>14744
That guy isn't me. It's eternally asspained /astral/ guy who left after everyone disagreed with him about that nature of what the astral planes are.

08/02/14 (Sat) 04:39:02 No.14800

>>14682
People accept it easier if you just call it psychic abilities.