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how do i figure out my true will?
how do i know and conversate with my holy guardian angel/overself/higherself/god?
do soulmates real?
what is smileys irc name?
>>10619>how do i figure out my true will? Everybody's purpose is to die. Nobody really has a purpose but will is something you have and can use, not a "true will"
>how do i know and conversate with my holy guardian angel/overself/higherself/god?Probably in the astral or a summoning ritual. Look them up online because I think shamans believe in spirit guides. Here's something I found that could be of help
http://www.animalspirits.com/index1.html
>do soulmates real?I haven't a fucking clue.
>what is smileys irc name?Usually it's "blue".
>>10620True will in the sense of the one thing you wish to accomplish with your life, not absolute purpose.
>>10626That's for the person to decide…
I've been having troubles manifesting my tulpa, been practicing for about 2 years now and cannot see, or hear the thoughtform
when centering it in my thoughts its visage constantly changes, but when I stop fighting it to keep to a form I can share experiences with it purely in my mind, which is not very clear for me
>>10636how to improve my thoughtform and visualization skills
I've got a few Q's and answered with what (I think) I know in parentheses. I've tried searching for the last couple weeks and did not find any clear-cut answers to these questions.
What are some of the best ways to cultivate loosh?
(Certain types of meditation)
(Restful sleep)
What are some of the best ways to prevent the unwanted loss of loosh?
(Do not ejaculate often, if at all)
(Do not let your emotions take control of you or your ego)
(Do not watch television or movies)
What are some of the best ways to utilize your loosh?
(Fulfilling your Will)
>>10640Damn smiley brainwashed you. You don't lose loosh it's just a mental thing. You can gey more emotions by doing emotional things like looking at puppies, a sad movie, etc or chants. Don't worry about loosh that much it's just a silly version of emotional energy (astral energy).
>>10619I don't like IRCs and am pretty much never in IRC.
Soulmates real but they're not what you probably think they are, rather, they are people who below to the same 6th density soul complex and whose lives are intertwined a lot and who likely share telepathy and a lot of other such things… and they're not necessarily people you fall in love with. Do not be discouraged though, through the practise of magic you can cultivate perfect love, like me.
I asked montalk your question about the higher self before and got a pretty lengthy reply. Personally I'd just make a tulpa that is specifically designed as a tulpa to unlock your occult powers and vastly increase your intellect and knowledge and so on… and worry about shit like gods much later.
As for the true will, find what really excites you and what you really want to do, and if you can't seem to find it then fucking cultivate your will and ignore that "true will" nonsense for now. Eventually what is most important to your own development will become apparent to you over time.
>>10647Btw a reason to create a tulpa / sentient thoughtform from scratch is it won't come with the baggage other spirits have. It probably won't try to force you into any stupid metaphysical contracts or whatever, you can probably design your tulpa to help you unconditionally.
You can always practise evocation though to make contact with various spirits at random.
>>10640>What are some of the best ways to cultivate loosh?Have meaningful and emotionally charged experiences in your life.
Also don't waste it and … you probably have a ton of loosh already acquired over your entire life that just needs liberating if you can go back to those moments.
Definitely don't watch television / movies they are a huge waste of loosh. I remember I started watching some free movies on youtube awhile ago and I tried to hold back on wasting loosh but a few scenes were rather overwhelming and cause quite a swelling up of emotions which all got wasted and just had the effect of burning the memory of the movie into my mind very clearly but otherwise was a waste.
Obviously don't fap, that would be mundane.
How the fuck can emotions even control you?
The important thing when feeling emotions is that you focus them into stuff like thoughtforms, synchronicity, and whatever else all the time… I wouldn't try storing up tons of loosh unless it's in a special form and creates personality changes you want.
Use your loosh every day for thoughtforms and magic experiments. If you are intensely emotional you'll enter trances and so on better.
>>10642>You don't lose loosh it's just a mental thing.Bullshit. A joke told many times over or replayed many times over in the mind stops being funny, a song eventually loses its novelty, something that might have been an embarrassing failure to you many years ago won't matter to you today, etc.
Loosh is stored up in events in your life that you then draw upon later to release it.
It is a thing which can run out.
How have I "brainwashed" anyone?
If you actively suppress emotions (you shouldn't do this for long btw, only temporarily, especially if it's any kind of negative emotion as those building up in cause a lot of distress that will eventually manifest as poor health in your body) then you can build it up. If someone is pissing you off say, they're actually potentially helping you generate loosh. You can still lose loosh in arguments with others though if it gets tedious, boring, mindnumbing, headache inducing, etc. basically you've got "worn out by arguing". I don't think I ever really made this stuff clear but I hope you understand now that loosh is a very straightforward thing really and it just requires some basic reasoning to figure out how it works.
You should also know that loosh has many applications. It can be used to overcome inhibitions, doubts, etc. and to be more "irrational" so you can do the impossible. So it's helpful for magic… and you should also know that tulpas develop better when fed emotions and are stunted in their development if deprived of emotions. So that proves thoughtforms do indeed make good use of emotion. …and you can change your own beliefs and get rid of self-limiting beliefs using emotion.
Neophyte here.
I've been trying a number of things from the books in the sticky and I was wondering if the soul introspection in the Initiation Into Hermetics really as important as the author claims it is?
Everything has been working well so far and the whole magical diary seems like an unnecessary gimmick.
>>10658Can somebody answer the question I posted?
>>10537Sorry to bump but I have seen this thing being said multiple times and am looking for an answer as to what they mean by it.
What are you guys currently reading / practising / procrastinating?
>>10667Creative intelligence and self liberation, Korzbski non-aristotelian thinking and enlightenment.
it's not very goodYogic breathing meditations
Procrastinating on reading On Liberty by John Stuart Mill
>>10667I'm currently reading through all of this ( >>842 ), procrastinating on reading Initiation Into Hermetics and a couple other books that I'm like half-way through but have yet to complete, and practising thoughtforming, astral projection, emotional alchemy, and spending a fuckload of time theorizing and doing some simple experiments with my mind.
>>10675Argh
>>>/chaos/842Lately I've been trying to think as many impossible things as I can too in order to push the boundaries of my experiential reality out into the absurd.
>>10635>when centering it in my thoughts its visage constantly changes, but when I stop fighting it to keep to a form I can share experiences with it purely in my mind, which is not very clear for meDon't stop 'fighting' to give him or her a form. What this means is you haven't sufficiently fleshed out your tulpa's body. When you have, their form will be stable in your mind's eye.
You can do this through visualization with eyes open (in the world) or closed (in mental space). Visualization in the world wil get you to seeing (outside of the mind's eye) your tulpa faster, but both are acceptable. Faster is a relative term though, it will still take a lot of time.
If you believe this to be imposing your will too much, then direct him/her to inform you first if any changes in form are desired.
Is there any reason you refer to your tulpa as 'it'?
>>10658>I've been trying a number of things from the books in the sticky and I was wondering if the soul introspection in the Initiation Into Hermetics really as important as the author claims it is?I thought the same as you. I still did it anyways, but I would have been better off taking it more seriously. When you gain power you also gain the power to more seriously fuck yourself up. It's definitely best to have a stable base. If you skip it you may be fine, or you may run into a crisis or two which you'll suffer through, solve, and move on.
Magic has a way of forcing you to confront yourself.
>>10679no real reason that I know of for certain, its not substantial, I used to use it to relieve pain from my body but I was overwhelmed with feelings of guilt that transformed it into a nightmarish thing very spontaneously after the effort, now I use two orb thoughtforms which are manipulated by the primary tulpa to relieve pain, and I dont feel any guilt about that.
>>10679I've been reading IIH and just finding out a good portion of the starting shit is stuff that I've been practising already every day just by figuring shit out on my own by thinking it over a lot all the time.
Is anyone else getting to a point where you have to be extremely careful what you think at every moment because each of your thoughts has such a considerable influence it can seriously fuck your shit up if you think the wrong things? It feels like I have to walk the really straight and narrow path with my mind.
>>10682Yes, though I have no solutions. The more you think about it, the more you need to think about it.
>>10649>How the fuck can emotions even control you?I wouldn't expect you to say something so misguided. Have you met the majority of the human population (or 98% of the female gender)?
>>10682I'm right here with you. Best solution I've found is to place myself in positive scenarios to the best of my ability and educate myself with as much enthusiasm as possible.
>>10684I think they're not being controlled by emotions specifically, it's more like astrally-based influences are tapping in through emotional currents to influence them. The emotions themselves in their rawest form don't do anything unless directed by a will. So those irrational women and so on are just falling to the invisible influences of entities they fail to recognize and confront.
>>10683Is there a way to temporarily shut off your influence and make your thoughts ineffectual so you can think certain thoughts without causing harm then switch back into powerful reality manipulating thoughts again?
>>10618I find this image enlightening and interesting. Anyone know who made it/where the other one is?
does anyone here work with pendulums? tell me/give examples please
can you contact your HGA with it?
>>10667ive been procrastinating by
being around mundanes, smoking drugs, and masturbating
aka some of the biggest sins for fringe wizards
>>10667This should be a seperate thread, it'd have good potential.
"Those who serve the frog lord don't wear socks, and those who serve the ox lord don't wear shirts; or else they die."
Can anyone tell me what the fuck this means? I found this written down on a note in my pocket, with absolutely no context given. The names "frog lord" and "ox lord" are meaningless to me; they're not characters from any mythology (or cartoon, video game, etc.) I'm aware of. I googled the phrase and it turns up nothing.
I also posted this in /x/. Nobody could tell me anything about it.
I guess it's a koan? I'll add it to my grimoire, in case new knowledge comes to light. I might have been drunk when I wrote it.
>>10723If it's meaningless, then I'll put it in my grimoire anyway. My grimoire already starts with a disclaimer stating that the contents are equal parts wisdom and nonsense, and that fools who cannot distinguish the two shouldn't read any further.
what are cats?
>>5710> earthly love is a very poor substitute for the real thingI would like some more background information on this. What is "the real thing"?
HOW TO GET TALL THRU MAGICK?
I don't want stupid shit like "read these 600 pages books and you'll get the basis behind it".
I want pure information on getting taller through magic.
>tfw 5'7'' manlet
pls ; ;
Oh and while we're at it, something about penis size would be nice too.
>>10725Kind of looks like Skylar white.
Concerning the grimoire, or magickal journal, how fundamental is it that the grimoire be hand-written? Can a grimoire be digital?
>>10733Metaphysical love is a creative force which aligns with the will of the creator.
>>10734Same way stigmatists make those various protuberances appear on their bodies. Fuckloads of intense meditation and the sincere belief that their body has changed.
>>10686That's quite a long stretch to hypothesize that the actions of these people are being controlled by astral entities. It seems more reasonable to acknowledge the human majority's inherent flaws and incompetence. I'd agree that astral influences may play a mid to small part of this subset of people, but definitely not most.
>>10742Are there any resources on this? I would like to know more.
I'll try to explain my question in as concise a manner as possible!
This is a dream related question. I simply want to know if what I am experiencing might be something more than just a dream. Does anyone else have dream "road networks"? What I mean by that is, in my "dreamscape" there exists a road network filled with many different roads that connect to different, reoccurring dream settings I've experienced over my lifetime. The roads are so consistent that I can navigate them via my subconscious by memory. Not only is this network EXTENSIVE (miles upon miles long, with many different turns and locales) but it also doesn't appear to be based off the streets I'm familiar with in my waking life.
Just wondering if anyone has any idea what I'm talking about.
>>10797I have this, but the roads are so long to the point where it's extremely rare I end up somewhere twice.
Can we commence the purge and remove all shitty threads or the ones nobody needs on /fringe/? Along with that, delete /si/ for more /drama/
What are some ways to identify organic portals?
I've been wondering for a while… It seems that OPs are mostly the yoloswag guys who party and always have some random whore at their side.
But apparently the best ones can't be found out. I've been wondering if I myself am an OP as well. Either I'm doing a fine job of acting, or I am really a souled individual. I believe that my dad is most likely an OP though. Either that or just still an souled individual that's emulating an OP. I know that my father has native american ancestory, and they're good bunch of souled individuals that are green pilled. My mother… Hmm, I believe her to possibly be an OP that's good at emulating a souled individual. I say possibly, since she worships the christian god(Demiurge), but she also spends a lot of her time just watching reality tv shows and such. She's also never really pursued relationship in my lifetime, and that strikes me as especially intrigued, since it'd likely help her.
>>10915sometimes i see a look in peoples' eyes
kind of like private pyle in full metal jacket, right before he blew his brains out.
im pretty sure if you try to use fringe wizardry against an OP then their demon/archon will communicate to you directly. it happened while i was doing meditation once with an OP in the room. i was trying to get him to say something (basically visualizing from the state of the wish fulfilled) and then he goes "what do you think you're doing"
>my face when >>10915What's a good way to detect and distinguish OP's from souled people?
I can't get sigils to work at all. I've tried five or six times with various methods and have gotten no results. I've tried with mantras, death postures, pain, masturbation, and meditative trance. Half the sigils I did not know the purpose, the other half I might have been able to recall if pressed. I've had success with other sorts of magic, just not the wish fulfillment kind.
Where do I go from here?
I'm going to try 'meditation from the wish fulfilled' but I still want to know why these sigils aren't working.
>>11030
>Half the sigils I did not know the purpose, the other half I might have been able to recall if pressed. This is probably your problem, if you've not got clear intent at the time or if you're forgetting what they're for so well they mighta worked in ways you can't recognise. Write down your intent at the time and then check a few weeks later if they worked or not.
It seems really busy lately, what is the deal?
>>11038What exactly are you asking there? What is what deal?
>>10915>I know that my father has native american ancestory, and they're good bunch of souled individuals that are green pilled.Hurrr durrr muh Amerindian spirituality.
>not knowing of the rich and highly developed spiritual traditions found amongst Europeans and other races tooOrganic portals are just the background characters of this reality and likely to go through life completely unconcerned about spiritual matters btw… but it can be hard to tell they're organic portals if some demon or something uses the vessel for awhile and demonstrates spiritual knowledge.
I don't know, read the Spiritless Humans article on montalk, it answers all those questions.
>>11036I record everything, and looking at my notes, none of them worked.
I do always feel a little unsure what to do in the charging stage, whether the sigil is supposed to be implanted in my subconscious or whether I'm supposed to treat it as a separate entity. Perhaps that's my problem?
I keep dreaming the same dreams I have dreamed before. Every now and then dreams I saw years or months ago repeat.
Could there something significant here? I have begun a dream journal to record them just in case I might not see them again.
Also I have a lot of precognitive dreams and deja vu's now and then.
>>11152I had a magic themed dream this morning, attacked by demons resorted to banishing which worked, idk what to think of it maybe I should take it as a warning.
>>11152Also I'm pretty sure deja vu has some significance to it. Through it I've had some experience of connections to external thoughtforms which I believe are most likely autonomous and based on as well as influencing the perceptions of others.
Some people seem to be able to recieve accurate information through deja vu and I've had the feeling that I could be able to but it's like when you're trying to think of a word you can't quite remember and that normally stops it from working.
So is the IRC dead or am i just a newb, and what are other occult/newage/esoteric chat rooms you go to
>>11169Make sure you're in room #stormchan on the SERVER DatNode. People will greet you once there usually. Nothing happens in there, rarely you'll meet another person that wants to do magic e.g. remote viewing and other than that it's random discussion and people begging stal for site features and stal making fun of smiley or some other shit.
Here's a question, if I made a thread pointing out how this board has succumbed (or was it shilled into it?) to group think and hivemind mentality would it get deleted?
Because I think it would.
>>11180That's more of a /drama/ topic isn't it?
Post it. I haven't found too much of value here lately.
>>11180You obviously don't post here much. The site administrator is never around and the only mod is always around but doesn't give a shit what you post. You're free to do whatever you want.
What happens to the soul after the death of it's body?
Does it ascend to the astral realm? Does it just… Stop existing?
although I ended up hastily making a separate thread for discussing mundanes, I'll put these here too
how do you interact with mundanes and people with lesser spiritual development?
how do you make these interactions more constructive or at least neutral?
also what do i do with all of this extra loosh energy now that i am not fapping? orbs?
>>11191I don't think anyone really knows. Look at all the religions and philosophies.
In my view, you shouldn't think about the afterlife too much. How can you know death when you don't know how to live?
Alright, politics are driving my crazy, how to make a final decision, what is good what is bad, what is truth what is left?
>>11218
>how to make a final decisionFirst what are you choosing between?
Secondly, don't. Be dynamic and remain dynamic.
You can use RAW's technique of adopting opposing worldviews and ideologies to enhance your overall understanding, although you might be past that already.
Read Marx' Das Kapital and John Stuart Mill's On Liberty. The above are considered two of the most important historical texts on politics.
For modern stuff from an anarchist/libertarian perspective read Stephen Molyneux (his books are online for free) and Ron Paul, subscribe to reason magazine.
I'd also recommend the easy and condensed version of Caroll Quigley's 1300+ page book tragedy and hope which you can read free here
http://joeplummer.com/tragedy-and-hope-made-easy.html >>11218Also what country are you from? Find politicians you can get behind who go against the mainstream and follow their activity to give them support and raise your awareness of the little good there is in politics making the whole thing less depressing.
>>11218National Socialism Anarchy is the way to go.
>>11229More like anarcho communism. The only problem is the stigma of the two words anarchy and communism that plebs take too literally.
>>11212I know but holy fuck is it ever complicated to explain. There's an interlife, there's a possibly for reincarnation, there's certain shit that can happen in the astral that can force you into an incarnation, it's really complex and not as straight forward as people think — we're not all destined for the same shit and we're not all going to reincarnate here specifically.
>>11218>>11225>>11228>>11229>>11238All I care about is exterminating the great bulk of humanity. Fuck politics, fuck utopias, there is only one real problem with this world and it's people aren't dying enough.
>>11242Smiley no here is going to get butthurt. Your loosh farming could be far more efficient if done say, in the youtube comment section, or reddit.
>>11246>implying I don't have hundreds of comments on youtube from buttmad mundanes right now that I still have to go through>implying there isn't a legitimate mean to hit the reset button on civilization and cleanse the Earth 
>>11248>>11248this gay earth; controlled by some prison warden on a mystery plane,
turnin worlds into his own personal bee hives, such shady actions be drivin us insane. he must be a jar with a brain.
causin us pain; this spectre. events and happenings, he is the subtle secret director. twenty four seven he be controllin our lives. is he jewish, reptilian, AI, or am i speaking jive? it's scared to meet me on this board, or on the astral plane, cuz im the lyrical rhyme recker, more inertia than a runaway freight train, rock the mic steady like desmond dekker while my lungs be absorbing dat reefer. monosyllabic raps are what use when i be makin it rain, cuz my unreal verbosity leads to pineal luminosity, aka enlightenment if you preefer
lemme tldr it for u smiley,
this world: a petri dish controlled by masonic goyems that be spreading like a virus. i got more autism than MLP, and more gold than cyrus.
but not that bitch named miley. this whole flow was just my IMO and now its time for me to go. i may be old, but i will *leave the thread spryly*
>>11265Oh noes not yet another rap!! Someone has to contain this rap virus, it's spreading everywhere, it's out of control! What /chaos/ we have unleashed…
I stumbled across one documentary, that spoke about our history, ancient knowledge and that stuff. They also talked about 5 levels of consciousness, the third level being Christ consciousness. How do ascend to higher levels, and how do i know which one i am now? Some more light on this would be nice.
Thoughts on Law of Attraction (loa)?
Is it possible to become an Ascended Master?
>>11357www.rainbowbody.net/Shabkar.htm
namefagging exclusively for clerical reasons.
what is this and why do i keep seeing it in my doodles.
also, how does one manipulate charisma to lubricate social situations or for exalting a spoken word or stand up comedy performance?
Does anyone have any exercises on visualization. While I'm meditating, I will occasionally see a rough, blue circle. That's it.
I can't force visuals at all. If you told me to picture a red square I couldn't do it so that I saw a red square on the back of my eyes. It's sort of as if the image of it is in my head, but not with my eyes. It's there but not there. I can't really describe it better. Does anyone have experiences with this?
>>11374Read Visual Magick by Jan Fries. There's an online version of it in pdf so no excuses.
>>10708Does anyone have the complex math one?
My math is shit
>>11349look up reality creation redux article on montalk
>>11332there is an infographic about this (with the black background, and the final quote is hermes trismegistus. i know someone knows what im talking about), but it has more than 5 levels
>>11376Is this a meme or somthing? I've seen this comment like five times in the past two months.
>>11374I'm in the same position as you right now.
I can breathe energy just fine and meditate on my chakras but cannot visualize anything for the life of me.
how do you obtain unknown login info to say an image board that is password restricted?
in meditation, i find its to hard for me to decide which of the infinite possibilities of a password to choose from.
for instance. i was convinced that the word "relic" was the password.obviously it was not "relic".
i am starting to consider other methods such as making a deck of cards with 3 cards of each of the 26 letters. and shuffling the 78 card deck repeatedly until i climax with enthusiasm towards obtaining the password and then throwing the cards in the air. what cards lay upface on the floor should hold the password.
but then again maybe its not that difficult and i can receive the answer by lurking harder
>>11384I read the section in visual magick that he suggested. around page 71 I think. right at the start of the chapter AFTER visualization. It's kind of hypnosis-ey-ish, which has never worked for me. I think I might just try to employ the magick of breath, food, and water, along with autosuggestion. The masters do say that with regards to these things, no personal development is impossible.
>>11385Just ask someone for it you silly man.
Anyone got a good recipe for toothpaste? I really need to ditch fluorides something awful, but fluoride-free toothpaste is fucking impossible to find.
>>11391Just spit it out man. And then mouthwash to get more flouride out.
Is magic real? Why does it so hush hush, if it is?
>>11391I use fluoride-free toothpaste.
>>11392It's totally useless. The fluoride from the toothpaste is absorbed right away into the body through the pores even if you never swallowed your toothpaste.
>>11401Read the greenpills thread of course magic is real and there are many recorded instances of magic throughout history and continuing into the present. It's covered up because the power of magic is extremely great and very threatening to the control systems in place that keep society stable.
>>11390You're not allowed to give out the password to anyone who hasn't proven themselves to have magical power.
>>11384>that feel when I can visualize so intensely now that I actually am getting images stuck in my mindIt's getting to the point that if I close my eyes I just see things I saw throughout the day appearing before me in high clarity until I apply some magic and start seeing things I haven't seen.
It's like the problem I have with voices getting stuck in my mind. I hear someone else talk and the phrases they said end up repeating in my mind over & over & over as I try to make it stop, it's very disruptive.
>>11357Maybe but first try to accomplish basic shit. Too many people trying to become gods / ascended masters / etc. who can't even into the most basic of siddhis.
>>11378No. I just REALLY want the complex math one and nobody delivers.
>>11410
>It's like the problem I have with voices getting stuck in my mind. I hear someone else talk and the phrases they said end up repeating in my mind over & over & over as I try to make it stop, it's very disruptive.I have this problem too, based on my experience you need to change how you act in some way. Start living selflessly, get in touch with your atman and doors will open where you will have useful, positive, flowing voices instead.
I'd suggest reading the bhagavad gita, connecting to a new pantheon or deity or some kind of entity/voice based thoughtform, and doing banishing rituals in the morning and evening if you don't already.
The bhagavad gita might just be "coincidental" because I've just started reading it but the combination of those few things have fixed the problem, with the bhagavad gita allowing for tangible new states of mind/being. Both giving a name to whats happening and boosting it in the right direction in the process.
>>11457>I have this problem too, based on my experience you need to change how you act in some way. Start living selflessly, get in touch with your atman and doors will open where you will have useful, positive, flowing voices instead.Ummm nooo. These voices aren't necessarily positive or negative, they just repeat phrases I heard throughout the day over & over & over on loop and torture me in that way and it's very hard for me to drown them out and remove them, I have to spend minutes to hours depending upon the severity creating thoughtforms specifically to destroy the repetitive voices to eventually stop them.
Selfless living, whatever the fuck that entails, has nothing at all to do with this. It's all about exposure to repetitive thing. If someone says something too many times or it's a fucking radio repeating something exactly the same as always there's a huge threat of it getting stuck in my mind.
>I'd suggest reading the bhagavad gita, connecting to a new pantheon or deity or some kind of entity/voice based thoughtform, and doing banishing rituals in the morning and evening if you don't already.It won't do any good at all. The only solution that might work is if I were to construct a more permanent attack thoughtform that can stay active at all times to purge these looping voices from my mind whenever they arise.
>The bhagavad gita might just be "coincidental" because I've just started reading it but the combination of those few things have fixed the problem, with the bhagavad gita allowing for tangible new states of mind/being. Both giving a name to whats happening and boosting it in the right direction in the process.What even is the "bhagavad gita"?
I can not follow any kind of silly moral systems btw as my life circumstances don't permit it. I have nothing and will die pretty quick trying to adopt "selfless living" or whatever stuff you preach, I'm surrounded by people who don't give a shit for morality, and will only exploit any weakness in a person to destroy them right away.
>>11458
>What even is the "bhagavad gita"?It's part of one of the oldest holy books around.
Selfless living isn't really what you think it is, at the start of the book it's used to convince someone to wage war against a cousin who denied him his birthright but doesn't want to fight people who he used to respect and love. It's not about morality it's more about how you interact with reality. It's about living outside of the ego ("self"-less) and without attachments.
Changing how you act
will change the negative thoughtforms, this is an accepted part of modern psychology in cognitive behavioural therapy, how you act, how you think and how you feel are all interrelated and each influences the other.
If you use the bhagavad gita, or any other system, to change how you think and feel while changing your actions you'll notice changes in your thinking and attachment to what people say or picking up on negative thoughtforms.
Banishing in the morning and at night is useful as fuck with things like this. It sets up a psychic barrier and degree of protection. Try the banishing ritual on >>>/chaos/>>907
I was considering taking up street art as a hobby because why not and thought about how I can incorporate my occult studies into it. Does anyone know if its possible to tag sigils that fire on the attention of passerbyers or if theres someway to tap into the concentration and energy of people who bother to pay attention to it?
Or even if a grafiti sigil could be used to help nudge someone towards their own spiritual enlightenment in some way?
>>11458The reason they stick so much is because you're afraid they'll stick
>>11477Bullshit. I've tested out different emotions and they have nothing to do with it.
>>11479I don't mean fear. If you truly did not care and paid it no mind it would be gone faster.
>>11480Nope not true. It's just a matter of repeated exposure causing the thing to set in. I don't think you've ever seriously dealt with this issue yourself as often as I have and I'm not interested in your lame speculation.
>>11458>Ummm nooo. These voices aren't necessarily positive or negative, they just repeat phrases I heard throughout the day over & over & over on loop and torture me in that way and it's very hard for me to drown them out and remove them, I have to spend minutes to hours depending upon the severity creating thoughtforms specifically to destroy the repetitive voices to eventually stop them.cant you visualize/audialize them voices saying things you want them to say? keep it repetitive til you feel it to be real ,too (mental revision)
>example: "HEY SMILEY YOU SMELL!". .. becomes "HEY SMILEY YOU SMELL… LIKE ROSES!"also, how are you creating thoughtforms to destroy/stop the voices?
i think if i had your problem and the mental revision didnt work, i would just spam a mantra in my head over and over til everything stops. heres one i like
OM SHREEM OM HREEM SHREEM HREEM KLEEM SHREEM KLEEM, VITESHWARAYA NAMAHA…… thats the kubera money mantra. its on youtube. that other guy may like it since he keepss talking about bhagavadgita. pic related i found a summarized version for everyone in my huge image folder. i wasnt even looking for it! i was looking for a picture of a barack obama t shirt >>11481Bhagavad gita fag here. I'm "schizophreic" with my main (only) problem being unwanted thoughtforms.
What I suggested works for me. It doesn't stop it completely, it even makes it worse sometimes, but it opened me up to positive psychic interaction again which I haven't had in a long time.
Mantras also work, I combine it with a shamanic method of stoppig pain which is moving your center of awareness to the location of the pain or in this case the "location" of the thoughtforms and/or tinnitus and replacing it with a mantra, mantras on their own usually don't work well. But normally I get bored of this and drown it out with music instead.
A banishing ritual and meditation focusing on breathing using full yogic breath straight after for 20-30 minutes is usually enough to stop it so I can get to sleep which is when they're usually at their worst.
>>11482>cant you visualize/audialize them voices saying things you want them to say? keep it repetitive til you feel it to be real ,too (mental revision)I really hate sounds and don't want them saying anything. It's also really hard to fight them back, it makes me very weary, very stressed, tired, etc. to push them back especially when I'm already worn out beforehand.
>example: "HEY SMILEY YOU SMELL!". .. becomes "HEY SMILEY YOU SMELL… LIKE ROSES!"They don't comment on me like that. They just say random gibberish or phrases picked totally at random. e.g. today they were spamming ummm oh I forget what now, but it was some really stupid repetition of some statement regarding history.
>also, how are you creating thoughtforms to destroy/stop the voices?I just create random thoughtforms and use them to force out the voices, silence them, whatever. I make easily hundreds of them and just send them out again & again, it's like some crazy hacking war.
>i think if i had your problem and the mental revision didnt work, i would just spam a mantra in my head over and over til everything stops. heres one i likeThat's pretty much what the voices do though. Spam mantras using totally random phrases.
>>11483>Mantras also work, I combine it with a shamanic method of stoppig pain which is moving your center of awareness to the location of the pain or in this case the "location" of the thoughtforms and/or tinnitus and replacing it with a mantra, mantras on their own usually don't work well. But normally I get bored of this and drown it out with music instead. I stop pain by withdrawing my attention from the pain. This method sounds awesome and now I have to test it especially with orbs.
>>11374Do you actually have to specifically receive images at the back of your eyes though?
I was able to imagine a forest so vividly I started feeling vibrations normally attributed to the start of astral projection.
maybe imagining things in your head is enough?
>>11510>Do you actually have to specifically receive images at the back of your eyes though?The fuck does this even mean?
>maybe imagining things in your head is enough?in your mind*
>>11512
>The fuck does this even mean?I think he's referring to what potheads and acid freaks would call closed eye visuals. Seeing shit with your eyes closed as opposed to mental images.
Where can I learn/how do I start doing healing magick?
>>11416This. Stephen Hawking super powers pls
can someone tell me about synchronocities/coincidences that don't happen coincidentally? this is extremely trivial and I'm sorry for that but last night I was laying in bed with my music player on shuffle and just was randomly thinking things and pressing the next song button, "this song is the theme of my life" and then pressed it, shit like that.
and eventually I thought "next song will describe the connection me and (this girl I've had an emotionally heavy relationship with in the past) have", and up came a song about reincarnation.
probably just meaningless trivial bullshit to a skeptic I know, but this girl guessed what my name was when she first came up to me and didn't know me beforehand. I also fell in love with her a year later and thought of a lot of similarities we have/had between eachother. I don't know we still look at eachother and exchange glances sometimes and when recalling my relationship with her I kept toying with the idea of us being soul mates, but yeah.
and then the following morning I was thinking of the song I wanted to play on my phone before heading out the door, and the current song finished and the song I wanted to came on, even when it was still on shuffle.
AM I A FAGGOT OR WHAT EXPLAIN THE METAPHYSICS OF COINCIDENCES AND OR SOULMATES PLEASE
>>11553Read montalk you lazy fuck. You didn't even try to search for it before asking.
>>11374That's what you're supposed to be doing. With diligent practice or altered consciousness mind's eye visuals can come into normal sight.
>>11518That's a bad term. You can see in the same way with your eyes open just as well. It will usually feel like it's on another plane of vision, until it gets so vivid it merges with your normal sight.
>>11554montalk didn't return my search for "soul mate", sorry for my lazy fuckery
I've meditated and before I meditated I've read some books about reincarnation and other things. When I started to meditate I heard a voice clearly saying;
Who are you
I replied in the form of I am [my name]
No, you are not. you are a spirit, merely existing of different persons, or names, their experiences helping you, spirit, to improve yourself
Much later, I heard the voice repeating saying;
Imadhra, Imadhra, you are Imadhra (don't know if I spell correctly, it was pronounced IM-ANT-RHA)
Anyone know what that word means?
what are runes? Are they like sigils? is there a difference? what kind of magic is there that uses symbolism almost exclusively
hi im kind of new to this, what are runes? im also interested in chaos magic any good direction to go? anything to keep in mind before using sigils?
>>11598Read /chaos/ to get into chaos magick.
did serial killers have any actual metaphysical insight or connection? Like Richard Ramirez always said that he was a devout satanist and had a pentagram on his hand in court and Charles Manson with his whole ATWA thing and "Spirit realm" doodly. crazy talk or genuine metaphysical knowledge?
>>11639They must have to do what they did. They took "life is a game" seriously and applied it.
>>11639
>and had a pentagram on his hand in court When I was in crazy jail everytime I saw the head psychiatrist I'd have an eye in a pyramid drawn on my hand. This was always done impulsively and without knowing I was going to see her in advance. There wasn't a time when I drew it on my hand that I
didn't see her afterwards. Hopefully she asked the staff if it was something I did regularly and noticed it enough times to get a splinter into her rationalist mindset.
>>11623No, not I Mantra, I am sure it was a name or some kind.
I am sorry if this is not a correct place for this, but I wonder what you think about this.
http://www.victorzammit.com/>Afterlife, physics, medium-shipI didn't investigate too much, but it sounds very optimistic.
What is the relationship between chaos and void?
Heres the deal guys: I love adderall. I currently do not take it because of the negative health effects but let me tell you, when i am on it all is right in the world. And i dont mean when im high on it, i used to be prescribed and it just clicks a switch in my brain perhaps "curing" my "add." anyhow, i want to know how to use magick to ignite the same effect in me, without the actual chemical. any advice?
I've been trying to increase my passive level of awareness, and it's working, but it's having some unintended effects. I am now at least partially conscious at all times. I don't seem to enter deep sleep anymore.
It's extremely tiring to be present all the time. I can't just meditate because for me it still takes work, I don't get a sense of serenity with it.
How do I cope with this, or how can I continue this work so I am lucid at all times without sacrificing deep sleep?
>>11820first off I would take it on several different doses and really meditate on what its doing for you let the experience really sink in.
Then either use willpower to bring about that same feeling or make a thoughform where you take an imaginary pill that you believe in enough to work.
>>11842the thoughtform would be a pill in this instance. Ideally it would be on your desk every morning whether you need it that day or not.
Okay so like I do meditation and shit and I do different stuff well I have recently learned when I meditate and imagine my gf forehead she can feel what I am doing with it. When she has headaches I use my mind and pull pieces of pain and put them into my head. It feels like a burning sensation in my head. Then I have a sharp pain. And then it goes away. She says it feels like how ice is on top of her head for a headache. She has constant migraines and I take them away quicker then headache pills. Anyone know wtf I'm doing. Psychic healing?
>>11880Some guy made a thread afew weeks ago describing an ability similar to this where his neck hurt so he touched his neck and pulled the pain into his arm. Where it felt like a tingling electric pain. I've rarely heard this technique described and I havnt read about it although it is one the the easier things to do in my experience. The way it works is you pull the pain from a person or area of your body and collect it within yourself. Because you have no reason to feel pain the pain dissipates when your body catches up to your mind fuckery. Look into healing with prana. It's kinda the opposite of what your doing where you overload the area with healing energy as opposed to pulling the bad out. Just try it for fun maybe combine pulling out pain and overloading with the healing energy stuff.
can someone suggest a good site for learning chaos magick?
/fringe/, what are your thoughts about time management, with regards to development? On the one hand, I feel as if there would be benefit to discarding linear notions of time, and paying more attention to one's guiding voices.
On the other hand, some semblance of a schedule must be adhered to if one is still at all participating in the societal machine (in most cases, anyway). Plus, the discipline of doing specific things for specific durations seems like it might be a beneficial trait.
>>11890schedules and sleep deprivation are nice, umm, hmm. .. you summed up all my other thoughts on this matter
>>11887temple of psychick youth website
>/chaos/
>>/chaos/ >>11896Also I'd recommend Phil Hine's Oven Ready Chaos if youre new to it.
Something like the pseudonomicon might be interesting if you're already past the basics.
What's a person to eat for maintaining optimum mental/physical health? No processed seems like a given, avoiding drugs for purely recreational use, etc. - but beyond that? Grains, dairy, meat, and vegetables all feel like they have potential to affect a person either way.
>>11933Various diets for various reasons. Go vegan for a while if you want to AP and meditate, eat meat to take pride in your Nordic ancestry (even if you aren't germanic who cares vikings are badass) and to get the loosh.
>>11935that makes sense. I was a vegan for two years, and it was also a big period of spiritual awakening for me. And when I'm eating lots of high quality meat I feel more physical. Maybe there's some sort of feminine/masculine energy interplay going on here…
With regards to the other groups…I feel dairy may be linked to youth, some how. Because that's the primary period you'd be ingesting it, in nature. I've never tried a primarily dairy diet, because I find most of it becomes unappetizing in large quantity
Grains, I don't currently have any notions on - perhaps something to do with society? IE grains were one of the first processed materials, and they play a large part in the first world/mass consumer diet. On a purely mundane level, I know it's super cheap to live entirely off rice or dried beans or homemade bread, but perhaps not best for one's health.
Well, i don't know if this is the right thread, but i don't want to start one for this.
I'm posted this on /x/, so i gonna copypaste it here. Hoping some return on this experience.
is chaos magic inherently evil or does it depend on what you do with it?
>>11983>>11984Hell no it's not. Why would you even think it's evil? Is healing someone with it evil? Is increasing your mental and physical capacities with it evil? Is manifesting a better experience of reality with it evil?
All chaos magic is summed up with "use belief as a tool to accomplish results".
Anyone have experience with blurry vision, or the gait of power?
All you do is cross your eyes a little so your vision is blurred, and curl your fingers, holding them just above your palms. Then you go explore like that. It's referenced in Invisible Influences and in Castaneda's works. It's supposed to distract your attention so you quit categorizing and rationalizing what you see, the idea being that normally you only see spirits as mundane objects that fit your worldview.
I took a walk and tried it. I expected nothing but almost immediately I saw some sort of small ferret-like creature running beside me. I uncrossed my eyes and looked, and it was a clump of grass. I crossed my eyes again and it began to move. This time when I looked it had moved and it was a piece of paper. I looked again and it was a transparent sheet. I walked on about 200m and felt it was following me. I turned around to check and saw a red flash of light right in the middle of the path, 100m away.
Later I saw a duck flutter and land in front of me, I uncrossed my eyes and it was an immobile bit of dirt. But it definitely moved.
Allright, so two questions I got two questions;
1) My aunt commited suicide last Saturday, now when I slept from Saturday on Sunday I suddenly woke up and couldn't stop thinking of her, I tried to shrug it off but then my back felt ice and ice cold (it was very warm in the house, I did have my window open but there was no wind nor another window open). She was in my room it felt, but she didn't feel protective, rather to annoy me or some sort. Can this be true?
2) I've had this attraction to an historic person for a very very long time, can it be correct that she was a relative or anything else in a previous live?
>>12002You mean that she was present in my room?
>>12003No, just strange things happening the night before or after someone close to you in some way dies.
>>12004I see, do you perhaps know why those things happen? Sorry to bombard you with these questions though.
i fed a crow in my dream. he started doing tricks and i think he was pointing at something. but i scared him off cause i thought he wanted more food. anyone tell me what this means?
>>12019I took a piss on a fire in the astral planes and the piss sizzled hitting the hot coals and some heated up metal. What does this "mean"?
ProTip: your dreams aren't any more symbolic than your day.
Is there any way i can find some occult information by my self? Like not looking on the Internet or in the library, but doing research on my own. I think that finding some stuff out for yourself is better than reading something some dude wrote a long time ago and taking it as truth.
>>11411Any books on those "siddhis" and the like?
i had been given a french tarot deck from 1969 with a sudoname or code handwritten on the inside of the box. What is the significance of this?does anyone know if psychics sign their deck boxes?
im an amateur at best with rota and still have had insane experiences with these cards.
Also please anyone who can chime in the book of thoth and its application of taro cards to do skrying or learn of the realms and whatever the fuck Crowley was hinting at because by using my own ingenium i have used the 22 atus to help direct trance and i beleive there to be a great deal of use of these cards aside from fortune telling though to be fair i have had accurate spreads speak to me. all im saying is the taro could be used for intuitive learning as i have ever so briefly experianced
I want to create a new article but I don't know what to make it about. Give me ideas please.
>>12068>Is there any way i can find some occult information by my self? Like not looking on the Internet or in the library, but doing research on my own. I think that finding some stuff out for yourself is better than reading something some dude wrote a long time ago and taking it as truth.I've found out practically everything myself and you can always check out the akashic records also there are thousands of new occult books they're not all old and outdated and I still think you should read the books in the sticky.
>>12071I've researched them a whole bunch and they appear to be the result of deep meditation and thoughtforming practises.
i know this is a vain goal but is there anyway to reverse hair loss by magic/spiritual/occult etc. means?
>>12120Lots of us here are LHP not those faggots worried about morality and shit.
If your goal is vain; all the better to pursue it!
You've got to magically repair several problems probably.
First – whatever is causing you to lose hair.
Secondly – make hair come back.
All of this will be achieved through manipulation of belief, meditation, thoughtforming, autosuggestion, and a lot of the stuff in Initiation Into Hermetics near the start of the practise section.
Hello /fringe/,
I have a question (beware, long text).
My life is bad, I'm having alot of difficulty with school and college coming up and money problems.
I want to become a greenpill/redpill, by meditating, but I don't have a good space for this. In my neighbourhood there is alot of noise, and I'm very sensitive to sounds and noise.
For me it would be awesome if I could like, buy a new home in a place that's not crowded, but I lack the money.
Is there any way to gather huge amount of money in short time? I heard about the law of attraction, and I'm trying it, but no results so far.
I don't want the money to buy alot of junk or luxuries, just a house and some other stuff.
Is there any way for me to attract huge amounts of money?
>>12132>I want to become a greenpill/redpill, by meditating, but I don't have a good space for this. In my neighbourhood there is alot of noise, and I'm very sensitive to sounds and noise.I know this feel so hard. We pretty much all know this feel here.
>>12137thanks bro
If I ever gain the wealth before I sudoku, I will help you all out.
I assume I can make my own god and godform myself to become it? Or should I use pre-existing deities?
>>12141I'd focus on more humble pursuits before becoming a god or making a "god" that just farms you for your loosh like the other ones without really giving back… gradual steps anon.
>>12141You can enter into a godform quite easily, choose one that suits the qualities you want to invoke, study them, sit in their position or copy a hand/body gesture they make in a depiction of them, burn appropriate incense or use appropriate tools for invocation, visualise going through a myth about them, anything you can do to create teh atmosphere of the specific deity.
>>12144So I didn't misunderstand what a godform is! Thanks for the tips, I feel I might try to mimic some god of music first, because I'm a composer.
>>12146
>So I didn't misunderstand what a godform is! Nope
>>12142 did a little though. Gods won't necessarily steal your loosh in the traditional slave-religion sense… Another way to look at them is that they are personifications of natural energy/forces that you can tap into and draw from.
Why is the OP such a fag?
Is there something that is necessary about using words for sigil magic, or could i simply make up a symbol, say it represents desired outcome, and it would have the desired effect.
>>12165If you check the article linked in
>>3962 you will see the author gives a graphical method of sigil creation, which is close to what you describe.
>There is a third method of creating a graphic sigil. It involves drawing a simple picture of the intent. This has the advantage of starting from a graphic image instead of having to derive one from letters, but the disadvantage of having more of a chance of being ambiguous. >>12132>>12137I do not know that feel. Sensitivity to distractions is a weakness, train it out of yourself. You should be able to meditate in a crowd.
Fairly new to this whole magic thing, so pardon me if this is asked a lot or is a dumb question.
Decided to read "Fringe Knowledge for Beginners" and check out the green pill sticky as according to sticky recommendation. I'm trying to keep an open mind towards all this new content, but I'm not entirely sure that I'm ready to subscribe to some of the ideas (such as alien deception). Likewise, many of the greenpill's cited sources don't exactly appear reputable or carry any type of quantifiable proof. I guess what I'm trying to say is, reading about theory isn't furthering my belief in any meaningful way, in fact the lack of significant evidence to back up a lot of the claims is making me less and less devoted to the practice. It's not that I don't believe that what I'm reading is true, I do to some extent, but I'd like to begin searching for my own proof through my own endeavors instead of reading about magic and trying to pre-emptively convince myself of it's existence.
Are there any books I can jump into immediately to start practicing magic, or is it absolutely imperative to read through the remedial material(such as Fringe) first?
>>12171I do not believe too much what Montalk talks about in Fringe Knowledge and on his site. Besides, they are just recommendations, not the ultimate truths.
I think it might be best for you for now 'to not really think about them'. By this I mean that you should do other practices and see later if some idea becomes more plausible.
What practices do you do?
I've never had anyone ever ask me what my religion was or have a discussion about religion with me in person.
I want to manipulate synchronicity, maybe use a sigil, or just devise one of my own spontaneous rituals to make this happen for the first time in my life so I can tell them I'm a Hermeticist and start talking about my beliefs.
Is this well advised? I suppose I can also add in the intention that the experience is to over positively and that whoever it is will be understanding and not someone whose going to attack me for having occult beliefs and practising magic.
If I were to do this and then get that question it would be a GREAT example for all of /fringe/ to be inspired by seeing as this has never happened to me before so the probability of this happening now is extremely unlikely. I am a very passive person who always blends into the background when there's groups of people around talking and nobody talks to me or if they do they don't ask me anything meaningful. So for me to do this for the sake of greenpilling and to work where someone just "randomly" strikes up a conversation on religion with me after I do my ritual, I think that would serve as great inspiration to the rest of /fringe/ that reality manipulation through synchronistic means is indeed not something to be doubted.
Then again most of you guys probably already have so many experiences of synchronicity that you're beyond any doubts about the phenomena already.
>>12171>Are there any books I can jump into immediately to start practicing magic, or is it absolutely imperative to read through the remedial material(such as Fringe) first?If you want to be put on the fast-track to doing magic yourself then start here: (
>>10982 ).
I am planning also to do a series of videos in the future combined with reading notes and a complete Greenpill Package for noobs that contains the important books, some of my many notes, so it would be like a complete course using multiple forms of media to teach anyone all I know about magic.
>>12197>I do not believe too muchI wouldn't say this about montalk. My stances on everything there are "I believe" or "I am undecided until further information/experience comes along but I have noted what was said and will remember it and refer back to it later as my knowledge grows". Only a very few things on montalk do I outright disbelief (namely karma, I take issues with the concept of karma, though I've read and had a ton of discussions on the topic and are familiar with many different karmic models and some I don't totally reject). It's obvious you can initiate causal chains and that sometimes unforeseen effects of a causal chain you initiated may come back to bite you.
>>12206I am very careful never to say "I do not believe" but in very specific circumstances as I don't want to unintentionally limit my experience of reality btw. So many people are potentially barring themselves off from some very real and intense experiences they could have simply because they said "I disbelieve" or "I do not believe". If you listen to The Holographic Universe lectures you'll find an instance in there where the author talks about a childhood experience that he had of seeing into the heavenly realms frequently until his mother or whatever called him out on it and said "that's impossible" and he "oh this is impossible" and after that never experienced that thing again.
Knowing also how auto-suggestion works it's really important to avoid words like I "I disbelieve" especially if it's also said while feeling the statement / resonating with it sincerely. If you say something and don't believe it, it doesn't have much effect, or may have the opposite polarity effect of what you said depending on the feeling of it.
That's what my latest experiments have confirmed for me anyways. Further information on
>>>/illuminati/.
It's also just wrong to say something like that when you have no reason to disbelief. It's fine to leave a variable as "null", that is decided, not everything has to be set to true/false. Leave it in an indeterminate non-collapsed state, like "Schrödinger's cat" before someone looks in the box.
>>12206>>12208Interesting and truthful. I know that I am limiting myself, that is why I try my best to practice and keep an open mind while reading different theories, views and their criticism.
Also, illuminati is off-limits for I do not know the password. I am not sure how to get it; I've heard you need to meditate or go to astral or such to find it.
>>12167How do I train myself to be able to do that?
>>12216Meditate around distractions. One extremely stereotypical place to do this is under a waterfall.
>>12216try meditating with some relaxing music playing in the background and visualize things.
once you can do that try meditating to something more upbeat
that should train you to acknowledge the sounds but still focus on the meditation
>>10618I plan on doing an evocation of the god Odin,
Here's my basic plan, please do give me advice.
I plan on creating an Magick circle on the ground( using table salt) with a 5 pointed star, And in front of the circle an triangle with a circle with in it, with a sigil of odin,I will Call out for him and ask from im to come to me, i will offer him Food and i will request occult knowledge from him.
So alright?
/fringe/, I'm spiritually lost and I don't know how to proceed. I'm fairly new to this board and I see a diverse range of ideas and beliefs so maybe you can help me, offer me guidance, etc.
>>12222That seems to be an invocation.
>in the cauldron of thought— in the crucible called imagination—visualize yourself as the deity you have selected.But thanks for the link.
>>12225Well good luck then, hopefully the Allfather will cooperate with you.
>>12224Start with Chaos Magick then find your own way. Read this thread (
>>10982 ) and read the books and links mentioned. Then continue to read the sticky and BE SURE TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU LEARN!!! I advise starting out by making a banishing ritual, there's directions and a sample ritual on
>>>/chaos/. Read and practice lots of Hermeticism and Chaos Magick for they are pretty much everything in one paradigm. Then continue your own path and make findings and post them here! Welcome to /fringe/.
>>12226I hope, i manly worship him.
So hopefully.
>>12220>music>possible to meditate with that shit playing another noob question(s):
I'm noticing in all my reading that there is an apparent innate sense of morality guiding the universe, and it's important to abide by this lose moral structure. Mainly, I've seen a lot of people discourage conjurations and desires that are made at the expense of someone else (against their will) or are exceptionally selfish, due to a likely negative or unexpected outcome. What I'm wondering is, how do we define what is "at the expense of someone else" and what exactly is "exceptionally selfish"?
As a personal example, there are two girls that I'm interested in equally. I have a pretty strong inclination that there's a mutual feeling of physical lust between myself and the girls already. Would it be immoral to ask the universe to place me in ideal situations alone with these girls separately, in hopes that these mutual feelings will emerge? Most likely not, I'd imagine, as it's a manipulation of place and not free-will. Would it be immoral then to attempt to conjure a romantic disposition in them towards me (one that likely already exists)? This seems a little sketchier, since it involves the manipulation of free-will (but to a minor extent). Likewise, would asking for both of the girls be considered selfish?
Also I've seen it suggested a few times that adopting personas is fairly common and encouraged. Not sure how I feel about this, personally. Is it something that's super beneficial or can I do without?
>>12252If both girls are of your race you can be a polygamist. If one girl is not of your race reject her. If both girls are not of your race reject them both.
…or alternatively, if both girls of of your race and you don't want to be a polygamist, select the one that is more suited to you with the greater number of similarities to your own phenotypes… and have the other one find a different man / set her up with a bro.
>>12251at a certain background level volume it is possible
naturally noone can meditate if they have dubstep playing so loud, their ears start bleeding
I am curious if anyone here does prayers. I feel it could be used to enhance one's mind; it could be used alongside meditation and contemplation, too.
Thus I ask you, do you pray?
>>12295ahh great, it's an odin bro. Your worse than the god damn nihilists.
>>12301I use mantras but I don't pray because I haven't yet established a line of contact with a deity more powerful than myself to make requests to (which is what preying is all about). So fuck asking for help when there ain't anyone listening to me. I'd rather just evoke a spirit and force it to work for me.
>>12210>Also, illuminati is off-limits for I do not know the password. I am not sure how to get it; I've heard you need to meditate or go to astral or such to find it.people who say that are trolling, bro. The people who get into /illuminati/ are the people who know enough about 'Stal to guess the code
What's everyone's opinion on Theosophy?
>>12329Do you mean Blavatsky's Theosophy?
What's the difference between a deity and a spirit?
Is evocation recommended for neophytes? Evokers, what is your personal way of doing evocations?
Someone please ask Montalk his opinion on vaccines.
How do I evoke Jesus? I want to see if I can evoke one of the various Jesus thoughtforms going around this world and have a conversation with him and get his help and advice. What sort of summoning ritual is good for bringing fourth the spirit of Jesus Christ?
>>12405I tell ya.
>Go some one secluded>Draw a circle around from salt>Do a pentagram banishing ritual. >Infront of the magick circle>Have a salt Triangle, with a circle in it.>Make a sigil of the name Jesus Christ using a magic square.>Draw that sigil in the circle within in the triangle.>Start chanting shit to summon him, see him through your thirdeye.>Offer him Wine and bread>Then ask what you need. >>12420>le feel when I don't have enough salt to form a circle, have no wine, etc. >>12332Anyone got opinions on Theosophy?
>>12437Not really. I've yet to put any theosophical practises into practise.
>>12442Does it have a very big place in the magick/occult society?
>>12443Lobsang Rampa appears to be influenced by Theosophy.
>>12433Table salt is really cheap.
Buy some.
I've been thinking about forming a relationship with Satan lately. I just want to know what exactly he can do for me, what he can acquire for me, and what EXACTLY I would have to give up, what EXACTLY the price for his services would be. Also, I understand that there are secret societies manipulating the general public who are in affiliation with Satan, I don't really want to serve earthly dickheads who just so happen to like the same evil gift-giver as me. Secondly, I have some slight sense of morality/righteousness, I do oppose the world and God and feel like this is all an evil and terrible kind of prison, but I just don't think I'd ever want to harm a good-hearted person(noone's innocent etc etc but still)
Can someone who's a black magician or a luciferian and not some fuckhead laveyan tell me about making a pact with the devil? I'm interested, and have desires.
The most important thing I need to do about, the postmortem repercussions, no not my corpse, the astral planes, karma - will I be bound to the lower planes and accumulate bad karma and forced to reincarnate as a piece of shit in a future life because of this relationship with him? This is vital information that I need to know before dealing with him.
Someone knowledgeable please get back to me.
>>12471Three year necromancer, Satanst, and recently started ONA here. NEVER make a pact with any God! Sure, you can devote yourself to a god so you have the option to leave it if s/he fucks you over but never make a pact. Make sure you are able to establish contact with the deity first to make sure it's legit. Also if you want legit Satanism go to /edgy/ for my archive of every ONA book, I have some other theoccult.bz ONA books thanks to AVOIDCHAOS but I don't feel like uplading lol the ones I have are enough. I even have the sinister tarot, every grimore for dark ceremonial magick, etc
Although I stoped for now due to not having the materials and time so I became an Asatruar but I have been in the dark parts of magick.
I've been pondering about astrology.
What do you think of it?
What do you think it can be used for?
>>12486It's a fun passtime but shouldn't be taken seriously.
So has anyone done this?
If not, why not?
Seems simple create a sigil of his name do the evocation.
>>12515Nah he'll probably rape me or something.
>>12532That's why you have magick circle.
>>12541Meh I'm not experienced with spirits or evocations.
>>12476well uh, could you guess? or give it your best shot?
>>12543Get some.
By invoking pleb tier spirits
>>12546I dunno how
I'm not really interested
I've been laying off the jew magics for a while.
>>12547So what magick are you doing?
>>12549Not jack shit atm. Meditation, energy workings, yep.
I used to maintain an "eat once every three days" diet. It gave me increased discipline, clearer thoughts, and the sort of sharpened focus people speak of getting on fasts.
Problem was, I eventually became underweight and decided to stop. /fringe/, what thoughts have you on fasts & semi-fasts of this nature, and how might a person adopt one more permanently without suffering physical aliment?
what's the most successful form of magic for a neophyte?
>>12605Probably start with Chaos Magick and Hermeticism for dogma and paradigm.
For actual practices, you need to do meditation and energy workings (check out my first draft
>>12533 ), then do some thoughtforming and sigil magick. then do whatever you desire after that, friend.
it really depends upon your desires.
I'm not exactly a neophyte, I've been steadily getting myself more and more absorbed into the occult over the last 2 years, and I've ready almost all the threads on /fringe/ and right now my greatest dilemma is the fear of embarrassment and failure in trying various magical acts.
I feel like a lot of you other wizards will just laugh at me, mock me, and I will have a reputation as useless… I'm not very naturally talented but I strive extremely hard to get better and I want to overcome all my weaknesses, all my limitations, and accomplish high magic in this lifetime.
I need to try shit though and I guess risking failure but you know how it is with mundanes, they don't believe you at all, and if you fail they will never believe you.
Advice on this matter? Should I just bare humiliation after humiliation when my magic doesn't work until I eventually do manage to pull it off?
;_;
>>12811I don't understand your question.
Are you asking if you should attempt to perform magic in front of various mundanes and you're worried that it won't work and you'll get branded as a weirdo?
Or are you afraid that other wizards will shame you for being shit?
For the first one I'd say practice your magic on mundanes without their knowledge.
For instance if you're going to heal someone don't tell them that you're filling their would with energy or transferring their pain into your hand, just say rubbing that spot can help.
For the other one no one here will humiliate you if you fuck up, most people have trouble with one field of magic or the other. I for one still cannot visualize all 5 senses at the same time for longer than a minute. Just keep trying and ignore whoever mocks you.
>>12811>2014>caring what mundanes thinkIf you fail, they'll say "lol magic doesn't real"
If you succeed, they'll say "that was just a coincidence, magic doesn't real"
Don't discuss magic with mundanes. You won't change their dismissive attitude, and you have nothing to prove to them anyway. It's their loss, not yours.
The only mundanes I discuss magic with are close relatives. Obviously, with relatives it's kinda hard to hide your practices, and I don't want to give the impression that I'm ashamed. If a sibling or uncle or whatever asks what that funny looking stick on my windowsill is, I just straight up tell them it's a magic wand. Haters gonna hate.
>>12818>Or are you afraid that other wizards will shame you for being shit?This.
>I for one still cannot visualize all 5 senses at the same time for longer than a minute.Don't you mean engage them? As only one of the 5 senses involves visualizing.
I have really advanced visualization skills but for reasons unknown to me both my visualization skill and ability to produce emotion fades at times and then comes back online about 6-18 hours later.
I still can not do open-eye visualization very well though and struggle with the imposing of the spacial sense trying to make a thoughtformed object feel like it takes up space and can be felt.
>For the other one no one here will humiliate you if you fuck up,That hasn't been my experience at least with the chats. I guess not here on the site though.
>sitting near someone at the library
>everytime i move to scratch somthing or shift my feet the other person also moves at the exact same time i do
Is this paranormal?
Hello everyone, I have been trying to project for a while and I am having difficulty in one issue.
I feel as if I always get close, but one big hindrance is that I am just about to lose connection with my physical body and then it feels like I am not breathing anymore. I can no longer myself taking in breaths and I slowly start to feel like I am losing oxygen.
Am I focusing on breathing too much or is it really true that I am not taking in oxygen?
Why do I feel like I can't breathe, and I need to do it manually myself?
Is this normal?
>>12923>Am I focusing on breathing too much or is it really true that I am not taking in oxygen? Before you AP you should go into a trance of sorts, meaning breathing should become automatic.
Read Astral Dynamics in the sticky, it'll answer your question in more detail.
>>12924At points it does become automatic but when it comes to a specific point I just feel like I am not taking in any oxygen, and force myself to breath.
>>12925Then I'd say just ignore it since your oxygen intake is automatic to a point where you don't notice it.
If you did actually stop breathing the worst thing that'll happen is you lose consciousness and wake up in a few minutes.
>>12941>>12941Would leaving my mouth slightly open work as well?
I mean it can work fear of breathing wise, right?
So, I've tryed to Astral for the first time, but when I was imagining a space there was this guy, walking towards me, trying to ask me questions and he was pretty cynical, after he asked what my name was, on which I answered my name, he dissapeared and I stopped projecting.
What was this?
>>12958Could be anything from a projection of your (or one of your) inner self/selves, some random traveler, a demon, an agent or anything.
You shouldn't have told him your name, especially if he was bad mannered.
>>12959He wasn't really bad mannered, just, I don't know, curious with some kind of
I am more experienced thus I am better than you kind of expression.
Why is it not smart?
>>12962>Why is it not smart?To tell your name on the astral? Because it's a place we have very limited knowledge of and the higher planes act as an information highway to the physical world, don't be amazed if you see people with the same or similiar name as you in the next months or if your name pops up somwhere.
>>12942>Would leaving my mouth slightly open work as well?Mouthbreathers develop poor health and a receded weak jaw.
>>12896It's normal for people to subconsciously respond to others moving around them by adjusting their own position in the same manner that people manage to move about in one big mass in a crowd.
>>12923Don't focus on breathing, you don't actually have to breath, and practise void meditation. People who do void meditation can reach a state where they can just put tape over their mouth and close off their nostrils for an hour say and they are not effected.
I do intentional deep breathing all the time to keep my nostrils clear and intentionally do light jogging and various exercises such as jumping up and down on the spot really hard and stretches and so on because I want to keep my breath good and I'm practising become lighter so I can fly and teleport and so on one day.
>Why do I feel like I can't breathe, and I need to do it manually myself?…because you're focusing on your breath. If you focus on it manual breathing mode is engaged and you're fucked. You must not pay any attention to your breath.
>Is this normal?I've had the same problem in the past but got over it with perseverance.
>>12925Don't worry about it. I have AP'd before and felt like I was dying and after I died wonderful things happened. Then some minutes or hours later I came back to my body with my heart pounding and feeling like my whole body was being restarted. I'm still here and I'm fine.
>>12941>that feel when every single time I've passed out my consciousness became more consciousness and I've just fallen out of my body, never into darkness >>12958lel I never tell anyone my name in the astral. I just make up some random bullshit like "I am a servant of Moloch" or "I am a defiant white man that don't need no jew" or some other clever way of answering them. Use a pseudonym like you would on the internet while in the astral.
1.) Rituals/invocations - what do they do, what exactly does one have to gain from being a practitioner?
specifically this one, an invocation to the "headless" one,(some greek or maybe egyptian headless deity by the name of Akephalos), apparently this is a "goetia"
http://hermetic.com/heidrick/mq/1.html2.) So I play a contact sport, it would make my life a lot easier if I could easily tap into my inner anger/energy, which is a problem for me honestly pregame. Is there any ritual or deity I can call upon or do anything metaphysically to better make myself enraged and full of force/strength and energy?
I mean seriously, ANYTHING. meditating on the idea of anger, chi, chakras, asking satan to possess my body, I need to have brute force and energy.
3.) how do I introduce myself to magic? I've meditated plenty (not like a monk obviously) but have been meditating for about a year straight now. I've experienced some seriously solid-seeming visuals or like, visual/solid representations of my thoughts/thinking patterns when in altered states of consciousness/meditating, I don't know if those are thoughtforms, or if thoughtforms are where I start magic or what, but please introduce me to magic, to be honest I want magic to help me fulfill my desires of sexuality and power. I understand I can make things more likely to happen with magic and have things in my favor. Very interested.
How important is it to read The Holographic Universe? I'd prefer not to read it (yet) because it seems off-putting to me in a way that's hard to define. I know it's supposed to provide a certain scientific reasoning to the paranormal, but I'm already pretty strongly open-minded to the paranormal and theological aspects of life. Trying to quantify magic seems to me both fruitless and self-defeating without first having some kind of personal understanding of it.
Could I just as easily continue on to Intro to Hermetics without first reading The Holographic Universe, or are there certain fundamentals I'll be skipping over?
posting this to help peeps
>>12992
>Is there any ritual or deity I can call upon or do anything metaphysically to better make myself enraged and full of force/strength and energy?All you have to do for this is energise yourself physically and mentally, ritual should be the means to that end, embody what you qualities you want and psyche yourself out. That's the bare bones on it.
I have no problem astral projecting but most of the times I don't become conscious of it or I become conscious and then SNAP! I disconnect!
How do I become conscious right away and how I stay connected if I do become?
How to get rich by using magic?
>>12811Are you the guy who keeps adding ;_; on his posts?
Toughen up, you sissy
Tell me everything you know about incense /fringe/!
I want to know its magical and mundane uses. Can I use it to clear my nostrils and improve my breathing?
>>13053
>I want to know its magical and mundane uses. Can I use it to clear my nostrils and improve my breathing?I might be wrong but I don't think that's how smoke works…
You can burn different types of incense to invoke different types of gods and goddessess though.
Allright, so I did this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvME_EylPXU binural beats and my forehead seems very very very tight and I felt really weak when I woke up after this. I saw all kinds of hallicunations from something imploding and then exploding to some kind of skull (from above), what is this? Sorcery?
Can you apply your will to influence love? Not in the form of a love potion or spell, but rather drawing someone to you that you've never met before, provided you do your physical part in making sure those opportunities more plentiful.
That is, if I were to will that I would find an ideal partner, then go to book stores, festivals, parties, online dating and whatnot, would it be effective? I have an easy time bringing about material change such as money/general circumstances, but the free will factor has me kind of stumped on how to go about finding a significant other.
>>13055Can't incense help unclog the nostrils though? I constantly can't breath through one nostril as one is always getting sealed off by mucus for some stupid reason or other.
>>13072I try to use water all the time and it doesn't work. I have that book and have been reading through it today. My nostrils are extremely prone to clogging, even when I get them clear one nostril ends up clogging up again moments later.
>>13082That sounds annoying as hell, I have overly waxy ears, shits pretty annoying too especially since doctors always say NEVER PUT ANYTHING IN YER EARS EVER.
>>13086Oh fuck man. I have bad skin that gets fucking oily and constantly develops acne and I've read through countless sites, I'm taking vitamin E tablets right now, I've tried all kinds of different products and even medications to get my skin to fucking be normal and it STILL keeps breaking out in acne constantly. Dietary changes too. Fucking nothing works.
Maybe if I get an orgone generator that will fix the problem I am not sure.
Sometimes I've come close to fixing it with magic but everytime I think I'm close to victory and I stay vigilant as ever btw it comes back with a fucking vengeance as if I have an acne quota that I need to suffer from.
I also got shitty eyesight and have tried all kinds of things to fix it and nothing has worked so far.
I mad. I bet a lot of this is connected to my breathing too, breath is so fucking essential, but my nostrils are fucked and my mouth and jaw are malformed from mouthbreathing in the past.
I constantly keep trying to unclog my nostrils all day and I'm fucking pissed they won't stay clear.
I want to get into yoga, what are some good books to follow?
>>13100>booksreading just wastes your time. A quick search online will give you some poses, maybe download some videos off pirate bay. Breathing is important in yoga too lol
Just do it, don't read any bullshit
>>13103What the fuck is your problem with reading? Actually, don't answer me, because reading is a waste of time.
>>13104Either read and waste your time or look at some pictures online and do the poses
Your move
>>13103>>13105What this guy says. Just learn asana and ignore all the rest, like every other middle-aged woman. It will tone your ass real nice.
>>13104What the fuck is your problem with not reading and just doing?
You can read every book on yoga btw and still know nothing, or you can explore yourself without reading and learn everything
Same with magick.
>>13108This, reading a book may help because doing asanas with total body controll is better but it takes time to develop.
Don't read 200+ pages on the subject but some basic reading won't harm.
>>13100I want to do the same with asanas I need a book with pictures + descriptions of them all to add to my collection.
>>13108You could also spend a few years reading everything to have a very good knowledge base to work with and sift through a ton of bullshit then switch into primary practise mode. That's what I intend to do. I'm also using magic to enhance my reading speed and absorption rate through time manipulation and some other things. If I was really advanced I'd be able to touch a book and know all of its contents exactly and when quizzed on it give accurate answers and recite passages correctly.
Read + Practise
Those who just practise make tons of mistakes and especially if they ever manage to get to more advanced stages of magic will probably off themselves by accident… or they will be stuck a long time because they don't got the right framework.
Those who just read will eventually have to put shit into practise otherwise there reading is not good.
Those who read and practise are the best though.
>>13116I think a bigger problem btw is people who neither read or practise but hoard tons of books without even knowing if the books they've got in their collection are shit. Oh well though I guess we do need scribes like that to make all the knowledge and disinfo available.
Does anyone really know what is going on when people unlock siddhis / advanced magical power?
A lot of people put it down to belief and a bunch of other things but I'm really not sure this is correct.
The issue is very complex and I think that some people who unlock their powers might not actually know how they did it and perhaps attribute it to the wrong things.
Only a really wise person perhaps would know exactly what happened, someone with access to the akashic records or something.
If you can't successfully teach others to unlock their powers efficiently then maybe something is wrong with the teachings.
This is why I intend to read a fuckload and ignore the posters saying to rush ahead and just practise. I really want to get to the bottom of what is actually happening and have true understanding and in so doing become a real master.
>>13032Many different ways it's such an open-ended question though with so many different answers.
>>13139You could materialize items then sell them, you could remote view account names and passwords and steal money, you could heal people and maybe they will give you money for helping them, you could hypnotize people and make them just hand over money and stuff, you could do "tricks" that aren't really tricks and collect money, etc.
has anyone here made their dick bigger with magic?
>>13151Alright, but where or how do I learn to do these kind of things?
Why the fuck do people develop allergies so damned often and how do you get rid of them? Allergies are just such huge fucking bullshit. I want to be allergy-free, there's no good reason I should be having allergic reactions to harmless substances.
>>13188Me I have. Basically I shifted into some other dimension then back into this one and when I was back muh dick was bigger. My dicksize keeps changing though.
>>13058>>13190For me binaural beats only dampened my magical powers and were annoying. I don't know why they did anything for you.
>>13189>Alright, but where or how do I learn to do these kind of things?See the sticky on /fringe/? Go start reading the mega folder.
how do i stop being a slave to time?
>>13212Ask our timewizard on the Illuminati.
We actually have two timewizards that I know of who have broken free from the normal restraints of time in various profound ways.
Both post fairly infrequently on here though and are very practise-oriented more than studies and discussions.
I am new to magic but have read 3 of the books in the sticky. My sister's cat ran away a day ago and she was upset that (she thought) he had died. We couldn't find him and I wanted to help so I repeatedly visualized the cat standing at the door and coming inside when the door was opened for him. A few hours later my dog was acting strange/barking at the door so I opened it and the cat was on the porch. Do you think I might have played a part in him returning to the house? I'm glad he's back regardless, but I was wondering if visualising an event and truly believing in it can make it more likely to happen.
>>13239Yeah that should work. I did a similar thing with water and made the water move.
I must say that visualizing alone simply creates the visual of something. It needs to be combined with intent, belief, emotional resonance, etc. to make other things happen with it.
If you practise what is taught in IIH you will be able to do many more impressive things.
Read that mega folder btw, there's a study guide which is a .txt found in the Fringe Essentials folder.
Btw, the only reason you can even move you arm is because you truly believe you can on a subconscious level. If that belief were stripped away by some trickery for a while you'd suddenly be unable to move your arm at all and it would seem impossible. So subconscious belief is an important part of being able to do these things.
>>13239Oh and one more thing. When manipulating synchronicity then there is probability and so on and it can be messier. What you were doing was a manipulation of synchronicity. You can however reach a level of focus and intent and thoughtforming and so on where you directly manifest something in conformance of your will without any delay or probability, it just happens as you will it.
You should try to appear before someone else. Intensely visualize yourself appearing before them and it will eventually happen and they will see you and be able to confirm it happened. This is called bi-location. It's mentioned in several of the books in the mega including a couple especially notable mentions in the Zivorad Mihajlovic Slavinski book "The Invisible Influences".
Oh and cool fact: Tom Montalk himself has experienced this phenomena when his GF bi-located to appear before him. This is mentioned in the Chasing Phantoms book.
>>13244>>13243Thanks for answering. bi-location sounds like a great way to prcatice. I started reading initiation into hermetics a few days ago, but haven't gotten far. Hope I will have time to finish it next week. Here is another cute animal picture.
So let's say I visualize my mega millions numbers being on the winning numbers screen.
As long as I have the mental focus that they have already been chosen and the winning numbers are mine I can change reality into the numbers being mine?
>>13246When you are doing acts of synchronicitic manipulation you have to realize how many other entities are also trying to manipulate those events at the same time.
The amount of conscious focus over some lottery numbers is going to be HUGE and I also guarantee you that the really big lottery numbers have psychic defences put up to try to prevent people from just remote viewing them.
You could do what you are asking but to do it you'd literally have to overcome a fuckload of obstacles put in the way by the will of millions of others trying to get the same set of numbers as you.
I'd just try to do this thing with smaller lotteries or work on other ways of acquiring wealth than that.
>>13260i was "imputing" my will that the numbers were already chosen, (and they have) and meditating on them today i felt a very intense pain in the right side of my head, never felt something like it before.
>>13260I did see one guy who did it. He said he had imagined himself winning the jackpot every day for many months. One day he was suddenly certain, so certain that he told his family and friends he had won before the numbers were drawn. I don't think he even knew what he did.
>>13502I've been sorta doing the same.
here's a copy paste from a text i sent to everyone on my contacts.
"Fuck, didint win on mega millions on Tuesday July 1st, the winning numbers were 9, 27, 29, 30, 55, and mega was 13"
Hello, I have a few questions.
I would first of all like to note that I am indeed a neophyte, I do not deny this, I have a reasonable understanding of the basic theory surrounding these practices (mostly Qabala/Tarot, Hermeticism and the symbological interpretation of Alchemical/Mythological texts) but little practical experience.
Moving on.
First, do most people here recommend the beginning steps layed down in the Fringe Essentials Folder of the MegaUpload? How many of you took this path initially?
How old is this community? Is there an archive?
I would like to be able to access the /illuminati/ board. I there a process for obtaining the password? I would understand if this is something handed out only to those recognized as accomplished 'magicians/wizards?' (What do you guys self-identify as anyway? Is this an offshoot of chaos magic?)
I look forward to (maybe) getting to know some of you in the future, this seems like a very helpful community that (unlike most) actually has some accomplished practitioners giving advice and guidance to newer members.
I'll probably swing by the IRC later today and see if anything is happening.
>>13517Oh, one more thing. I am currently in a place in my life where I cannot easily isolate myself from others (living with roommates, ect.). As I see it most if not all of these practices require as much isolation as possible. Does anyone has any recommendations on this front? Should I tromp off into the woods and carve out a quiet place? Not worry about it and only practice when most people are out of the house/dorm? Wat do?
>>13517Hey glad to have you here, welcome to freedomboard. Neophytes are welcome it doesn't matter if you're new or old, just talk about magick and you'll be fine. I'm glad you admitted you're new and not pretending to be a demigod :^)
I haven't checked out the fringe folder so I don't know about your first question.
>How old is this community? Is there an archive?We have a wiki but nobody uses it. Our community has been up since mid 2013 and we gained popularity in around February due to advertisement and greenpill operations. Almost all threads are still alive, we have an unlimited page count.
To gain access to /illuminati/ you must either find it yourself or find an illuminate who will apprentice you , and if you prove your magical abilities he will grant you access. /illuminati/ is also for whites, illuminati is known for it being a white man's game.
Most of us are anonymous. We don't have names but we do in the IRC, it doesn't have much people in it though. You might be lucky to find someone who will do magick with you.
I assume most of us live with others. Our most accomplished wizard and teacher, Smiley, still lives with parents so it's nothing to worry about. We all want freedom and we are currently looking for someone to build a homestead for fringe wizards.
Again, welcome to fringe and be sure to make threads about your findings and keep questions in here :^)
anyone knows magic or meditation i could do at physical work
What's so special about the illuminati board?
>>13523Mantras would probably be easiest.
>>13525Advanced wizardry and a safe haven from people shitting up private threads.
>>13519
>I'm glad you admitted you're new and not pretending to be a demigod.Oh boy do I have some stories to tell about trolling RP'ers and those who believe them.
>I haven't checked out the fringe folder so I don't know about your first question. What was your introductory route into applied mysticism? What do you currently practice?
>To gain access to /illuminati/ you must either find it yourself or find an illuminate who will apprentice you , and if you prove your magical abilities he will grant you access.Cool.
>/illuminati/ is also for whites, illuminati is known for it being a white man's game. Being white is pretty great.
>I assume most of us live with others. Our most accomplished wizard and teacher, Smiley, still lives with parents so it's nothing to worry about. We all want freedom and we are currently looking for someone to build a homestead for fringe wizards. Oh really? I am actually in process of planning a commune of that description with some irl friends. Is there someone I can get in contact with to talk about possibly pooling our projects?
>What was your introductory route into applied mysticism?I started with Satanism; dropped it. Moved on to Buddhism; dropped it. Then I became a Chaos Magician and a Hermeticist.
>What do you currently practice?I'm a norse shaman. Asatru, shamanism, and ceremonial magick.
>Oh really? I am actually in process of planning a commune of that description with some irl friends. Is there someone I can get in contact with to talk about possibly pooling our projects?>>>/ss/ make a thread here please.
What's the deal with Tulpas?
Can they be manifested to appear to regular average joes?
Can they have 'magickal'/'supernatura' abilities that you don't or haven't learned yet?
Can they be used to teach you such abilities?
>>13537That sounds amazing. Why doesn't everyone do this?
I'm honestly surprised that they can be manifested in '3rd density'.
>>13538Because people are oppressed and brainwashed into thinking you can't do it.
>>13539Is there a certain process to manifesting them into 3d? I'd imagine that it takes a lot of effort
>>13538Takes a lot of hard work to make a tulpa and certain skills ought to be developed in thoughtforming beforehand to make a really good tulpa later. I do thoughtforming practises all the time but have yet to make a tulpa that
stay around. >>13523>at physical workWhat exactly do you mean by this? Are you talking about in your workplace, or while exerting yourself physically, or what?
>>13502>>13506Personally I would do that sort of magic in this manner:
>create a double-sigil linked together (possibly more sigils linked)>have a basic effect that fires off and gives immediate feedback>others are connected so they will fire off at same time>when one fires off, I know the others will have as welle.g.
>win lottery sigil + light in room dies + feel coldness over backside of left-hand sigil connected together>once one of the sigils fire off, the others will fire off too>I know I won the lottery 
>>13518That's a feel we all know bro. You just got to try to deal with it and learn to withdraw your senses from the chaos in your surroundings and become like a monk meditating in a storm, unmoved even by the cracking of thunder, the patter of rain and wind, the tossing of branches and leaves, etc.
Going out into the woods won't get you away from distractions though, you'll have mosquitoes and noisy animals all around you, and be exposed to the elements and so on. I personally am constantly distracted by both animals and humans.
>>13519>Our most accomplished wizard and teacher, Smiley, still lives with parents so it's nothing to worry about.Some people are way more powerful than me in various respects depending upon what capacities they've developed and what they've neglected and their natural skill.
>>13546Yeah but those people haven't done shit here. You're the one who tought us all, Smiles. You're our Great Leader.
>>13542What are thought-forming practices?
Why don't your tulpa stick around?
>>13553>What are thought-forming practices?Any practises involving the creation of form and the exercise of the imaginal powers.
Using this text as a source (
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos072.htm ) there are 3 fundamental concepts that create our universe. Force, form, and consciousness.
"there is an energy associated with consciousness which causes change (force), and there is a capacity within consciousness to constrain that energy and cause it to manifest in a well-defined way (form)."When working with thoughtforms we are creating form out of thought… the name itself tells you that.
This is done by applying the senses so that you create an object which has the visual, spacial, sound, and other attributes applied to it.
You do this by meditating upon all of these a ton and creating tons and tons of thoughtforms until you get really good at it and can create thoughts so heavily condensed they take form in material existence.
>Why don't your tulpa stick around?They just walk off and I don't hear back from them :\. I need to make one that's programmed to stick around, I keep giving them freedom to go and do what they want.
Last night I awoke to a bird fluttering against my window and resting on the outer sill. This was the middle of the night, making it pretty unorthodox for birds (unless it was some kind of nocturnal bird) to be out. And it didn't seem like it had hit the window and was injured, because it still periodically would flutter around trying to get in, for whatever reason. It seemed to resemble something like a hummingbird or warbler, but it was hard to tell in the dark, through the slight translucence of the glass, plus I had just woken up and was still disoriented. It had a smallish body, what looked like a green or yellow coloring, beady little black eyes, and a thin beak but I don't recall how long it was.
Anyway, because it's such a strange occurrence, I figured this was a kind of symbolic synchronicity. So what I'm asking is does anyone else think this is the case? And if so, what could it mean? Thanks.
>>13559You need to get that birds didgets, sounds like familiar material.
>>13561"Birds" is uk slang for women. Getting didgets is getting phone numbers. Familiar material was a pun on boyfriend/girlfriend material.
Either way you should try to keep in contact with it somehow.
>>13562O wow that's pretty impressive.
>>13562I don't have access to that board, and I'm not totally positive in the identity of the bird.
>>13563Woops. But that's a good one now that I get it.
I've just recently become aware of energy… loosh, I suppose it's referred to? I've learned the error of my ways by masturbating whilst lucid, and the feeling of it all being sucked out was awful. Even an hour or so after the fact my reserves are only coming back piece by piece, and I feel vulnerable. How do I go about replenishing it/gathering more? Outside of actually employing it in rituals/thoughtforms/whatnot, is there any benefit to stockpiling it?
>>13567If you can successfully stockpile it (not easily done) then you can acquire a huge reserve of it that you can call upon in emergencies or use for a major metaphysical project to do some really extreme stuff.
Loosh generally should be reserved in positive form or it will bias your behaviour and manifest poor health and so on in a way you don't want it to.
>>13543i mean seasonal work in the field
>13556
thats kind of hilarious
>They just walk off and I don't hear back from them :\.
ProTip: Those of you who want to accumulate loosh should first cleanse out the bad loosh and turn it into good loosh then fix all the countless energy leaks you have. Think for a moment of yourself as a clay pot with many holes all throughout it and water being poured in steadily. There are many, many holes and this is a HUGE pot. Water pools up at the bottom of the pot but never gets that high because all these holes are there just leaking water out. Alternatively you can think of yourself as a spongey sort of thing that holds moisture which is constantly being received but a ton of straws or leeches have been put into you and are draining you constantly and preventing you from reaching your full potential / expanding further. You could to repair those energy leaks, which occur in the way of useless thoughts, obsessions, bad memories, unreleased negative energy that is kind of just sitting there boiling waiting for release and threatening to take over your whole system… the negative energy is like infestations that continue to grow and get released but until you cleanse them out and follow the infection down to its root cleansing it all out along the way you'll never be free of the dis-ease that it brings you.
Anyways so once you've got all these energy leaks repaired, bad energy cleaned out and released or transformed, etc. you will continue to take in more loosh energy from the source and from others. Your soul is kind of like a vacuum that always need to be filled with something in this regard, it will keep attracting things to itself. However when you learn to control your thoughts and cultivate the virtues effectively and conduct yourself in the proper manner your clay pot will get more full of water, and it will eventually fill up completely and there will be no choice for it but to expand to accommodate more water (loosh energy) being poured in. This is equivalent to the expansion of your consciousness and the unlocking then of additional abilities.
So yeah don't worry about storing loosh so much when you've basically like a net being dragged through an ocean of loosh as opposed to a scoop (which will get more loosh because no holes in it)… ideally you want to be a sort of net that only captures useful forms of loosh that serve to increase your power and consciousness and yet releases the negative loosh or else manages to transform it (usually it's easier to just release it, but if you can transform some of it too that's good too).
>>13593Some of you may remember this article being posted on /ss/.
We're the bottle with all the holes in it, letting loosh out into things not worthy of our loosh at every moment.
Instead of watering plants though what we're doing is feeding negative or otherwise counter-productive thoughtforms that are holding us back from attaining a more desirable state of being, consciousness, future, etc.
http://www.funinthemaking.net/2011/05/01/thumb-controlled-watering-pot/ >>13602That's just entering 4th density / AP except not leaving the body.
If you want to do that, the practises in Initiation Into Hermetics will help you accomplish it, but there are many ways to get there and many different traditions. I am guessing by your terminology you're looking at this from a Shamanistic perspective?
>>13603Actually you know what you could mean a lot of different things by dreamwalking. Your question is too vague for me anon. Please define what you even mean by "dreamwalking" as that could encompass multiple different practises.
>>13535>>>>/ss/ make a thread here please.It is done
>>13562Fucking Bor, stop giving out our links.
Pic related, what I did to your faggotass hummingbird.
http://imgur.com/ZDJSGPbUse screenshots only, you candyass nigger.
>>13617Read the replies, pics related, etc.
You lazy cuntsack.
>>13618I read the entire thread and don't understand what you're talking about.
What do you mean by "our links"?
…and why are you saying "use screenshots only"?
>>13620You were not meant to know these things, go back to bed chaos anus.
>>13621>>13623>>13624What?
When you talk of links are you seriously complaining about him linking to specific posts on /illuminati/?
If so – why do you give a fuck? Nobody can go there without the password and username.
What should one know or do before a suicide to not face any unwanted consequences in the astral? Any advice? Pls respond.
>>13661If I were to do it, I would make sure my body isn't found.
>>13603oh thank you i actually started the way of shaman day before
Is it possible for someone to send me back in time? I made a mistake that I want to correct.
>>13667I failed to ask out a girl. I regret it everyday, because I'm sure she liked me back then.
>>13668Do you know what's she up to nowadays?
Why are you doing all these occult things, anon? What is your purpose, what do you want to achieve with these and why?
>>13670She still works at the mall I visit everyday. Today I had the opportunity to ask her out but I failed. I will try again tomorrow(and this time not fail) but I don't know if she will be there again. It hurts so much to keep going to mall and she isn't there.
>>13671It'd take a million posts to answer that question.
The shortest answer would be to become a demigod and to break free from the trap of physicality; to get out of the Demiurge's so-called "physicality". There's much more to the spiritual side. Physicality is like a low quality video of a HD video. We want to experience this HD video, or higher densities and mental planes.
I'm the dude who had that incident with the bird. I have a (seemingly) separate concern now:
I feel like I've been having very vague and obscure visions for the past few weeks. While meditating, before sleep, or sometimes even closing my eyes for a while, these ghost-like images of symbols appear spontaneously in my vision without me thinking them up. Again, they're vague, kind of like after-images dimly burned into my vision after I close my eyes. Among the ones that have been most clear: 7, 4, Z, a Christian cross, an upside-down pentagram.
Any thoughts on this? I've been having quite some synchronicity with 7 lately, being directed to information of the 7 chakras, 7 planets, 7 Hermetic principles, etc. Other than that, I'm not sure.
>>13678I can't answer most but 7 is considered the Holy Number or the lucky number; maybe that's a synchronicity of intense luck/blessings coming your way.
>>13678Let me add another that I've been having in the past couple of days: what seems to be an airplane symbol, almost identical to pic related.
>>13680Thanks. I've been making requests lately for divine protection, maybe that's some kind of assurance.
>>13616I didn't give out any links I never post in this thread I didn't make this post. My hummingbird Brialiphos has horns, a few alchemical symbols on it, and gives you extreme vibes of love and tranquility for the guy who saw a hummingbird.
That isn't even a hummingbird idiot, see pic related. My thoughtform has kind of a green shade to it like in pic too.
>>13683I need to reiterate that I really am not sure what kind of bird it was. I had trouble seeing it, but its small body and shape of the head in profile made it seem a lot like a hummingbird. And yeah, it also seemed green.
As for "love and tranquility," well…the fucker woke me up and kind of scared the shit out of me. My window was open a crack and he almost got in. That being said, I've had a recent "revelation" that my heart chakra is woefully deficient, I have a lot of the emotional and physical symptoms. With the hummingbird being a symbol of love, and also being green in color like the chakra, I feel pretty certain it's a sign to nudge me in the right direction. If it really was sent from you though, thanks.
>>13685The bird is meant to cure diseases and light your path. Weird, I haven't charged her in. A long time, she's probably looking for attention.
Is anyone here practicing Kabbalah? Experiences?
>>13674>>13668You belong on wizardchan, women come and go and there will always be similar women. Unlike great men, who only come every so often.
>>13683Still came on a bird, so no biggie.
>>13689Congrats, you're the equivalent of a ponyfucker. Have fun with your beastiality m8
>>13674You must do it for your own sake, brother. If you don't do it, you will regret it your whole life.
HOWEVER!
If you do it, and fail, you will be glad you did it and that you've experienced love - even if it is unrequited one.
If you do it, and success, you will be glad you did it and that you have experienced love.
And if the love dies later you can still be glad that you managed to be brave to ask her love and that you have experienced love.
Now; what do you have to lose?
>>13691Ah, I didn't mean to spoiler that. It's safe.
>>13668I know exactly what you mean. One day, I will find her again and when I do, I'm going to kill her.
>>13690At least I'm not some basket case faggot.
>>13691Straight up neckbeard virginlord.
>>13693No no, I regret for not asking her out. She looks so cute.
>>13691>>13691Yes, I will. This time I won't fail, or else I hero.
>>13697>I regret for not asking her out. She looks so cute.I am in the same position but I know that even if I/you manage to get her this time round it won't last and in my case at least it will only distract me from what needs to be done. My duty is more important than my love life. She has to die, that way I won't be wondering 'what if?'. As long as she lives I cannot focus on other efforts.
How can I improve my eyesight? Looking for exercises, diet suggestions, meditations, etc.
For the record, distances appear blurry to me & I have prescription glasses.
>>13734See pic related and also wear pinhole glasses daily for a short amount of time (30-60 mins, can be longer if you feel like it). Your natural eyesight should come back.
If you need clarification because of the pidgin English, I'll be happy to translate.
I'm not sure whether or not this has been asked, so apologies if so.
Regarding meditation and visualization, is it absolutely necessary that 100% of attention must be given to the object of intention, or is it simply ideal? For example, if you're focusing on something - like a building a thoughtform - but for a brief moment your attention is shifted to maybe a sensation in your body or some fleeting thought, and then quickly moved back, has the whole thing been completely undone? Has it all been "corrupted," leading you to start all over with a perfectly clear mind? Or does it just mean that you'll have to put more time and effort into the thoughtform?
I'm patient, and not trying to get ahead of myself, but I ask because I've become fairly decent at observing my thoughts and holding attention on a particular thought for a few minutes straight. But the thing is that I seem to frequently get minor thoughts "in the background" - maybe a catchy melody, a flash of a familiar person's face, etc. This is typically fleeting and doesn't wholly grab my attention, just intrudes slightly.
So again, is this enough to ruin the whole ritual? Same thing with manipulating energy and other things this would apply to.
>>13747do the practices in the initiation into hermetics book on page 34 to 40 or so to sharpen your concentration and kill off the child mind.
yes, losing concentration will make it take longer, but no will it ruin your whole thoughtform. although it can be desirable to renew your efforts with a new thoughtform if you've been particularly negligent.
>>13735Just reporting in to say that sort of shit has been useless for me so far and I've spent many hours going all over the internet looking for solutions to my eye problems and nothing's worked so far and I've been looking for a solution for years now.
I have further plans though, there's a way to treat it mentioned in Initiation Into Hermetics that I've seen mentioned which I intend to look into further, and if that doesn't work then I'm going just do away with all mundane solutions to the problem completely and start some major metaphysical operations instead to get it done. In fact I've spent all day today and yesterday looking at mundane solutions to various health problems I have and none of them have worked so far. I'm tired of shit not working, I think my body is controlled much more strongly by metaphysics, so no medicine or whatever else will ever work only magic will.
We'll see in the coming days I guess… it will probably require the evocation of a spirit or the creation of an advanced thoughtform that ultimately resolves my problem.
Not asking you anything btw, I mean you can give suggestions if you like, but I bet you I know more than you.
>>13784You are free to do as you wish,
But, I have experienced all of it. "Mundane solutions" are needed in this context. Albeit "I think my body is controlled much more strongly by metaphysics" is true, you are still limited to physicality and all that it brings.
I can tell already invoking won't work for you and your arrogance is backed up by none (You should be graced that your will put the solution for you right in front of you, but it cannot fix your problems, only you can make that chocie). Eye problems will not go away with a few days of work, you must do continuous work.
Do what you want, but this is the truth.
>>13785>You are free to do as you wish,LOL dismissive much? Thanks for the loosh.
>But, I have experienced all of it. "Mundane solutions" are needed in this context. Albeit "I think my body is controlled much more strongly by metaphysics" is true, you are still limited to physicality and all that it brings.If you THINK and BELIEVE (subconsciously) that the mundane solutions will work, they can work for you, but it's still metaphysics. I haven't programmed my subconscious like that though so I operate differently. I try mundane solutions and they don't get results, at best they are symbolical, a sort of ritual. That's how I regard them. It doesn't work without some strong metaphysics though. What is it you mean that I'm limited by physicality btw? Sure my body operates in a physical manner, muh vector physics, etc. but the whole body is held in place by the etheric energy scaffolding without which all the cells would go into disorder and start developing cancers and so on and then die.
>I can tell already invoking won't work for youI said EVOCATION you silly half-mundane. Do you even know the difference? Evocation and invocation are two different things. Invocation is a letting a entity possess you / internal. The entity just uses your body after you invoke it and you take on its qualities (can be temporary or permanent, depending what you want and what you're aiming for). Evocation is bringing fourth an entity nearby you but not within you.
>and your arrogance is backed up by none (You should be graced that your will put the solution for you right in front of you, but it cannot fix your problems, only you can make that chocie).lol more butthurt. What are you even trying to say here? Are you meaning to tell me that I am synchronistically receiving answers? Of course I am, I am a master of synchronicity, and a very advanced magician humbled by few. All the physical stuff is just ritual though, it's all symbolic, same as a dream. When you are awake you can interpret everything you say symbolically just like a dream as there is no major difference, it's all part of a continuum of reality that blends into each other.
Yesterday when I made that post I finished research, finished up with some mundane nonsense, proved to myself it didn't work, then proceeded with my metaphysical operations. Today I have already got massive improvements all over my body. I look around at the street signs and can actually see what the words say for once, it's still blurry but not as much, and my skin is clearing up beautifully. I also plunged my face into a basin full of ice and water after previously having poured boiling hot water that I just boiled for tea right all over my face. I have suffered no burns at all and it didn't even really discomfort me, I used pranayama / breathing exercises combined with my magic and a bit of alchemical potions and was invulnerable, I even made it more extreme in various ways to enhance the temperature extremes trying to transfer the heat even better into my body to try to get it to burn but it didn't work because I was able to resist it all perfectly. I did even more magic throughout the night and the day too and I'm getting epic results that I never got with the mundane nonsense.
>Eye problems will not go away with a few days of work, you must do continuous work.No shit. I've tried out mundane stuff to fix for years just out of patience and seeing what would happen to test my theories while developing other skills in the meanwhile. I have had no problem waiting so long as I wanted to exhaust many mundane methods. No results achieved despite doing everything quite strictly. It's clear to me the metaphysics is very important, even the mundanes who experience healing with these different things it's because they believe it will.
My list is quite exhaustive but ultimately magic fixes it when I decide it's time to get serious about fixing it and apply all my will and my powers to it.
>Do what you want, but this is the truth.Sure sure. I just recently fixed two problems in my body also that normally would take 6 months to heal, I even asked a knowledgeable guy about it. I tried 3 different mundane things just to see what would happen, a kind of ointment thing, another thing that was alcohol based, and yet another thing which was like a special fabric brace whatever. No results achieved. Then I applied my magic to it and in just a few days that shit was fixed up. If you want to know (generally) what the metaphysical operation entailed; it was a mixture of manipulating heat in the body, sigilcasting, using my mind's eye / third eye sight to see the blood infused with etheric energy moving into place and destroying the bad shit and repairing good things, and a little bit of thoughtforming work similar to what is described in the books
The Invisible Influences and
Transcendence' which basically involved making the affected bodyparts into thoughtforms and talking to them and telling I was being very kind to them and would take good care of them but that I was upset with them not functioning like they should and would punish them if they didn't behave. It took a little while and a bit of punishing them but they got the message and started healing themselves and now they are functioning at full capacity again. This shit would have taken 6 months to heal according to the mundanes, I got it done in about 1-3 weeks (with the last week or last few days of it being the most intensive and the preceding 2 weeks just being some light operations, if I wanted to be hardcore as fuck and were to have more practise it would be done faster, eventually I will regenerate from massive injuries in a single day when I get to the level of some wizards I know, I can think of about 4 right now with advanced regeneration including shit like making embedded objects literally pop out of their fucking skin and then the flesh heals so fast right in front of you that you can see it done in a few minutes and if you watch long enough or take a look at every few minutes you can actually see the progress happening right before your eyes shhhhheeeeeiiiiiitttttt).
>>13792One more note: I can do Jesus-tier stuff like just go bath in water or say a river to be more biblical and apply muh magic to it at the same time and I will come out of it a fuckload better for it. It's all explained by this quote:
There I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer and believe that ye have received it, it shall be yours. –Jesus of Nazareth >be talking to a guy about god
>start talking basic theology, he doesn't really understand me, doesn't know the difference between monotheism, pantheism, panentheism, polytheism, etc.
>he talks a lot and I always just listen and don't talk until he stops, it's fun to listen to him, but he thinks he knows a lot even when he knows nothing
>anyways, afterwards get off to my place and be in my garden
>dude was a monotheist (although he doesn't understand that word lel)
>I think about how he'd react if I summoned a voice claiming it was god then summon another voice claiming the same thing and both talk and both of us would hear it, and how trolled he'd get by the whole thing, as he always say "one god, one bible"
>try to summon a "voice of god" while in my garden
>intense concentration
>starting to bring it fourth, but it's too much, I really got to practise at this
>fuckloads of energy expended, head feels like it's going through a vortex of energy, as I am trying to summon a voice to manifestation
>stop when overwhelmed by the energy and gasping and taking in more etheric energy from all my surroundings
shhhhhhhhhheeeeeeiiiiittttt that was INTENSE. Just so you know I definitely did not hold breath at all whatsoever, was breathing normally, but the fuckloads of energy I was using to do this made me have to breath in faster while in trance.
I need to do fuckloads more energywork and I'll be able to do it one day. If anyone wants to talk about energy with me in this thread and tell me what you know I'd like to hear, I'm not a noob or anything, just like to hear from others and see if they have any insights or new knowledge for me to put to the test and enhance my magical power.
>>13792>dismissive I couldn't give a damn if you actually used my advice or not. Obviously I'm the one collecting loosh from your flabbergasted ass, otherwise, why would you write out more than a page when replying to my oh so little reply (119/1019 word ratio, i.e 850% more effort than I :^) ).
>If you THINK and BELIEVE (subconsciously) that the mundane solutions will work, they can work for youYes, if you think at all. If you follow the proper procedures and put effort (I don't doubt, I know you didn't) results will come. If you really wanted to fix your problem, find out how. The spirits can only lay down the framework, it is up to your neophyte ass to build upon it.
>What is it you mean that I'm limited by physicality btwYou are here and you follow physicality rules. Otherwise, you would be in another level right now, disproving your later claim of "Jesus-tier stuff."
>I said EVOCATION you silly half-mundane. Do you even know the difference? It was a snide poke at your low power level, but I'm not surprised an autist didn't sense the sarcasm. It's made even more obvious how much of a new-age basic-tier "wizard" (what an insult to serious practitioners!) you are, because of your inability to differentiate (or research and perform critical thinking for that matter) the two.
Invocation is the calling forth of a higher being (albeit I'll let you have that you can become a medium), a being of the upper levels. Unlike evocation, which calls upon lower level beings (becoming a medium is possible here too).
New-age wand-wavers have perverted this term, not mentioning they actually believe that they have enough power to call forth any higher deity.
>Yesterday when I made that post I finished research, finished up with some mundane nonsense, proved to myself it didn't workYet you show to me, again, that you are unable to process the information you read (if your spouting of verbatim didn't already give it away), as the picture clearly says "being a prolonged process." Meaning, more than your half-assed minute of blinking.
> I have suffered no burns at all> I just boiled for tea right all over my face> See Leidenfrost EffectThis effect is metaphysics, denying so would be foolish. Leidenfrost Effect allows for quick/very temporary exposure to extreme temperature objects with no bads.
>burn but it didn't work because I was able to resist it all perfectlyIt's good you've mastered one edge of your self/mind, now it's time to master the others (as you obviously lacking in so many).
>No shit. I've tried out mundane stuff to fix for years … No results achieved despite doing everything quite strictly. I doubt the second part is true as you've already demonstrated that you can't (see "Yet you show to me, again, that you are unable to process the information").
> I did even more magic throughout the night and the day too and I'm getting epic results that I never got with the mundane nonsenseDo tell.
> destroying the bad shit and repairing good things> ocular cellular memory> bad shit> inb4 you say medicine (non-western) is all believing - when this is just structures>bodyparts into thoughtforms and talking to them and telling I was being very kind to them and would take good care of them but that I was upset with them not functioning like they should and would punish them if they didn't behave. It took a little while and a bit of punishing them but they got the message and started healing themselves and now they are functioning at full capacity againI like you, your way of telling things is humorous.
>This shit would have taken 6 months to heal according to the mundanes,This is a point I forgot to address, you need to find out your specific problem before you actually take steps to fix it. It could be ocular cellular memory or it could be cataracts, but I believe from what you've said (yes, I'm going to assume you're telling the truth) that you had poor chakra/blood flow to your eyes and thus with concentration you've increased it.
> will regenerate from massive injuries in a single day when I get to the level of some wizards I knowMan has not reached that level of spirituality yet, there is no one on this planet that can regenerate major wounds (ex. dismembered leg) within a day. A few weeks, definitely. We already hold this knowledge and have been experimenting with increased cellular growth and division (think cancer cells) after supplementing for inactive genes. But I'll humor you, tell one of your wizard buddies to cut their finger off, I doubt they'll be able to regenerate that with spirituality alone.
> embedded objects literally pop out of their fucking skin and then the flesh heals so fast right in front of you that you can see it done in a few minutes and if you watch long enough or take a look at every few minutesEver lay on gravel? Know how the rocks embed into your skin and leave marks, then those marks slowly raise? This is the same concept, a parlor trick, even.
Humanity has not perfected rapid (spontaneous) regeneration, yet.
>There I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer and believe that ye have received it, it shall be yoursThis is the point that you've been misunderstanding, "The spirits can only lay down the framework, it is up to your neophyte ass to build upon it." You will be given all the tools necessary to achieve what you need (if that is what wills - only rarely is it not/ rather you do not will enough), but it is your choice and your choice alone if you decide to use them to achieve.
1019/669 words - I've put in about 66% of the effort in replying to your 850% effort to mine. Silly, neophyte :^)
>>13798>I couldn't give a damn if you actually used my advice or not.Sure sure. Your statements suggest otherwise. People will always say "you are entitled to an opinion" or "you are free to do as you wish" or something like that when they mean to dismiss what a person says. It just means they disagree with your opinion and think it's invalid but they're too chickenshit to say it upfront.
>Obviously I'm the one collecting loosh from your flabbergasted ass, otherwise, why would you write out more than a page when replying to my oh so little reply (119/1019 word ratio, i.e 850% more effort than I :^) ). …because I fucking love writing and do it with intense speed and it is no problem for me and I'm also using this board in a general as a way to record notes to remind myself of things later. Writing shit down = a memory enhancing technique
>Yes, if you think at all. If you follow the proper procedures and put effort (I don't doubt, I know you didn't) results will come.Knock it off, I used certain mundane efforts for literal months on ends as required for certain problems, with no results.
>If you really wanted to fix your problem, find out how. The spirits can only lay down the framework, it is up to your neophyte ass to build upon it.No the spirits can fix the problem better than anything else.
I clearly need to give you the greenpill on health but I should save that for a whole separate thread.
Your lame neophyte self just doesn't believe in the incredible power of magic and is in contact with some weak elementals that aren't doing shit for you. I don't even rely on spirits, I do shit myself by applying my own will, and mostly associate with spirits for lulz and sometimes they do shit for me but mostly I want to be able to do the shit myself so I don't make requests of them.
Requesting vs Intending, I opt for the latter basically all the time. A request is more for an emergency when being overburdened.
>You are here and you follow physicality rules. Otherwise, you would be in another level right now, disproving your later claim of "Jesus-tier stuff."Not entirely I bend physicality nigga. I am borderline 4th density and shift between the planes a little as needed. Each plane blends into each other you know, I don't have to totally cast off muh physical vessel, nor would I want to as it's fun to use as a remote probe into this realm.
>It was a snide poke at your low power level, but I'm not surprised an autist didn't sense the sarcasm. It's made even more obvious how much of a new-age basic-tier "wizard" (what an insult to serious practitioners!) you are, because of your inability to differentiate (or research and perform critical thinking for that matter) the two.No faggot you're the one who needs to research his shit I know everything and can cite multiple books to back my shit up if you want me to. >muh autism >muh new age
Come at me bro I got a wide arsenal of metaphysical powers to combat you with if you want to bring it on.
>Invocation is the calling forth of a higher being (albeit I'll let you have that you can become a medium), a being of the upper levels. Unlike evocation, which calls upon lower level beings (becoming a medium is possible here too).No faggot that's wrong. Few articles or books will back up that supposition. Where the fuck did you get misinformed like this that you think invocation is just a high power level form of evocation? It's not.
Invocation =
inner, evocation = outer.
Here is one example that supports my claim and I will present more if you continue to be a faggot about this:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Evocation.html
>New-age wand-wavers have perverted this term, not mentioning they actually believe that they have enough power to call forth any higher deity.You got a problem with wands mundane? The Golden Dawn uses them. I don't know many New Agers using it. Wicca garbage also probably uses them but they are a shitstain upon occultism.
>Yet you show to me, again, that you are unable to process the information you read (if your spouting of verbatim didn't already give it away), as the picture clearly says "being a prolonged process." Meaning, more than your half-assed minute of blinking.You're the dumbshit who can't process what is being said here properly. Yesterday, I was doing that research and shit on a particular problem, but I have some similar stuff for the last 6 years now and hell even did some stuff earlier than that.
>This effect is metaphysics, denying so would be foolish. Leidenfrost Effect allows for quick/very temporary exposure to extreme temperature objects with no bads.I plunged my face into this for several minutes not seconds. You can get to a point where you can touch burning hot iron and manipulate molten lead with your bare hands and it won't even burn you and you can hold your handle in a candle for a long time and same thing, it doesn't do shit to you.
>It's good you've mastered one edge of your self/mind, now it's time to master the others (as you obviously lacking in so many).O'rlly? You want me to give you my fucking magical resume? I have an endless list of accomplishments and powers. I am better than you until proven otherwise. Muh wand mo'fugga, bixnood. *beats wizardchest*
>I doubt the second part is true as you've already demonstrated that you can't (see "Yet you show to me, again, that you are unable to process the information").Describing yourself again? Yes we know you can't process the information being presented here coherently.
>Do tell.Nope WIP but I'll say it involved trances and thoughtforming and a lot of spectacular manifestations but no more than that because I don't want your mundane conscious influence muddying it up, one gets the best results when they observe the 4 laws of the magus:
1. To Know.
2. To Will.
3. To Dare.
4. To Keep Silent.
I'll talk about shit when the whole operation is done and all lose-ends tied up and your conscious influences may not disturb the results then as it'll all be finished.
(part 1 of 2)
>>13798(part 2 of 2)
>I like you, your way of telling things is humorous. With medicine a placebo will work just as well and the real thing can be made to have no effect on you if you have the right mentality to counter it. If someone messes with your subconscious and makes you think you can't lift or move your arm you won't able to. To get shit done you need to believe. A person in a trance can be ordered to move the blood around in their body and it will work, surgeons have exploited this to move blood away from areas being operated upon so there's no blood there and they can do a clean job. You can even make numbers appear on their arms by ordering the blood to move there to take the form of those numbers, you will see red numbers show up. I will tell more but really I ought to save this for another thread in which I tell everything about healing and the body. The subconscious programming is essential to healing.
>This is a point I forgot to address, you need to find out your specific problem before you actually take steps to fix it. It could be ocular cellular memory or it could be cataracts, but I believe from what you've said (yes, I'm going to assume you're telling the truth) that you had poor chakra/blood flow to your eyes and thus with concentration you've increased it.Wasn't talking about the eyes there, was talking about my right knee and right inner-groin area, both were majorily fucked up and would have taken 6 months but I decided I would test out mundane stuff first and then that didn't work after a few weeks of mundane stuff so I was just like fuck it, it's magic time, and so I fixed them both with my magic in a very short timespan.
Here if you want to tell me something I really want to hear, tell me everything you know about chakras. I know a lot and have read books and articles on it, attended many threads discussing the matter, etc. over the years but I really want to get to the heart of the matter of what chakras really are and what they do.
Here are a few questions I'm seeking answers to regarding chakras, would prefer if you have a way for me to confirm these things, but whatever:
1. Are chakras metaphysical structures present in every person by default, in other words, already there built-in to the person and awaiting exploitation – or are they thoughtforms people create through meditation which extend the etheric body and which aren't really there until created. I have seen various opinions going both ways and for awhile leaned more towards them being useful thoughtforms created out of meditation BUT a few things I've heard are tipping me a little more towards the other direction. If they are there, then how do I confirm they are already there, and also observe them in others? …and how then would I also confirm possibly with another clairvoyant that they see the same thing? e.g. lets say me and another clairvoyant are in a room with say 5 people selected at random. Each one of us then observes and writes down our observations of their chakras independently. Then afterwards we compare notes and see that we have made the same observations. Note: selected for observation should be both people who've never done any kind of chakra meditation and don't know what chakras are as well as people who've probably done it and either created or enhanced their (pre-existing?) chakras.
2. What are the exact functions of the chakras and what makes them really special?
3. How many different operative methods can be utilized to access, modify, and control the processes of the chakras? What's the most direct manner?
4. Why the close association you make to the blood regarding the chakras?
5. What, of the many different chakra meditations, do you consider the best and most powerful one? (provide citation please or describe it thoroughly)
Note: I have a fuckload of notes on chakras and we can make a HUUUUGGGEEE thread on it and I can gather all my info and place it in there if need be. Might even be a chakras thread already up and I can just add the information to it, if there is one already.
>Man has not reached that level of spirituality yet, there is no one on this planet that can regenerate major wounds (ex. dismembered leg) within a day.Hmmmm not sure about a leg but I assure you a deep gouging wound or pieces of glass embedded into the body can be healed in a matter of hours by some advanced persons I have witnessed myself and if they took their abilities even further they will be able to do more amazing things. Losing an entire limb though is more extreme than lots of broken glass stuck in your back or huge knife gouges in your stomach or a sword right through your body…
>A few weeks, definitely. We already hold this knowledge and have been experimenting with increased cellular growth and division (think cancer cells) after supplementing for inactive genes. But I'll humor you, tell one of your wizard buddies to cut their finger off, I doubt they'll be able to regenerate that with spirituality alone.Most extreme shit I know about is dude's getting swords put right through their body, people eating glass bulbs and rusty nails and other nasty shit, a big slashes into the stomach healing up in a really short while, and getting run over by trucks multiple times and breaking legs but then being fully healed in just a day. I bet they could heal the finger but they will have to attach it back and then heal it, I'm not sure how long and how difficult it would be for them to grow a whole new finger, but that's obviously motherfucking HARDCORE and if you're at that level of development you probably won't be getting hurt in the first place, your body would likely be invulnerable to most attacks, and you're probably a shapeshifter too by then.
>Ever lay on gravel? Know how the rocks embed into your skin and leave marks, then those marks slowly raise? This is the same concept, a parlor trick, even.No you ninnywag. I'm talking about glass actually embedded deep into the skin. How about slivers? Taking out a sliver just by willing it is some pretty top-tier shit. It's not just that the glass popped out too though, it's that the wounds left behind sealed up and healed ridiculously fast as well.
>Humanity has not perfected rapid (spontaneous) regeneration, yet.I bet you some humans have but those ones are the ones that fly around UFOs and travel through space and are sometimes as old as a thousand years old. One of those UFOs crashed before and several (rather really short) blonde haired men were killed in it and they recovered the bodies. When they observed the brains of these men in the autopsy, they realized from the folding in the brain matter they were like a thousand years old, and would have been around way back in ancient times. ( Citation:
Book of Aquarius )
Average Earth-bound human probably can't do that shit.
>This is the point that you've been misunderstanding, "The spirits can only lay down the framework, it is up to your neophyte ass to build upon it."Bullshit. You hanging out with some lame-ass spirits man. You get into contact with the right spirits you will find some powerful motherfuckers that can do a LOT for you. My quote there wasn't even fucking related to making spirits do shit for you anyways, well it wasn't supposed to be, even though it says "prayer" which is a form of requesting. I don't pray and make requests, I intend.
I'll put it in my own words: "feel as if it has already happened, it has already been obtained, and it will happen; resonate with the feeling and the experience of it having happened and it does".
More on that here:
http://montalk.net/notes/reality-creation (check this link out before reply)
>You will be given all the tools necessary to achieve what you need (if that is what wills - only rarely is it not/ rather you do not will enough), but it is your choice and your choice alone if you decide to use them to achieve.Blah blah blah you already stated this no need to repeat yourself.
>1019/669 words - I've put in about 66% of the effort in replying to your 850% effort to mine. Silly, neophyte :^)Yeah I know you a lazy nigga but I'm bursting with mad info and like to share with everyone and I will be doing fuckloads more writing outside of this thread I post like sanic speed.
65.65% the effort is what you gave. That 850% number is nonsense.
>inb4 you claim you put in these wonky numbers just to ruse me
I have a bunch of English walnut and black walnut available to me.
I'm planing on cutting some of the fallen English walnut branches tomorrow, any recommendations on what I should use it for? I was planing on making a wand but I have no idea what books I should read on that, especially with all the dis-info (harry Pothead BS).
TL;DR got some English walnut to cut up tomorrow, what do?
>>13800>People will always say "you are entitled to an opinion" or "you are free to do as you wish" or something like that when they mean to dismiss what a person says. It just means they disagree with your opinion and think it's invalid but they're too chickenshit to say it upfront.This is untrue, if you had any social/ verbal experience you would know this. It's a way of saying "You're a grown ass adult, you can make your own decisions and I don't care if you castrate yourself, it's your problem." If this was a real situation this would of ended a long time and I'm only replying to warn others, who may read, of their mistakes.
>Writing shit down = a memory enhancing technique>typing on a keyboardIt's becoming obvious that you're grasping for reassuring evidence that is slowly fading with each reply.
>Knock it off, I used certain mundane efforts for literal months on ends as required for certain problems, with no results.I'll pardon this, you didn't read the text further down.
>No the spirits can fix the problem better than anything else.This is true, but you're still missing the target.
>Your lame neophyte self just doesn't believe in the incredible power of magic and is in contact with some weak elementals that aren't doing shit for you.The stars and gods look favourably upon me, I would not have asked for any other life, but this one.
>greenpill on healthSome of what you say will be valid, but you know not why.
>Requesting vs Intending, I opt for the latter basically all the time. A request is more for an emergency when being overburdened.We are the same here.
>Not entirely I bend physicality nigga. I am borderline 4th density and shift between the planes a little as needed.I bet you believe the "astral (Alas, how modern occultists have perverted thee!) is the 4th plane?
Each plane blends, but do you know how the planes are structured? Mental is above physical (this plane) and you are able to grasp power from that plane and to truly see the plane is a gift. The Sophia is beautiful.
>No faggot you're the one who needs to research his shit I know everything and can cite multiple books to back my shit up if you want me to. >muh autism >muh new ageGetting a bit butt-blasted there, kiddo?
>I know everythingYou are sounding more and more like an angsty teenager everyday. (Don't worry, I was like you once, I believed I had found the secrets of all, but it goes deeper, much deeper.)
>can cite multiple books Appeal to authority, is your crime. Only the books of the old are relevant, most (if not all) modern texts are perversions of other sacred texts.
>No faggot that's wrong. Few articles or books will back up that supposition. Where the fuck did you get misinformed like this that you think invocation is just a high power level form of evocation? It's not. Invocation = inner, evocation = outer.Let me give you a history lesson.
Invocare (See pray for - Implying that you request and audience with a higher being)
http://www.latin-dictionary.net/search/latin/invocarehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InvocationEvocare (See call forth, entice/lure out - Implying you are above these beings and that they are foolish enough to fall for your tricks.)
http://www.latin-dictionary.net/search/latin/evocarehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EvocationA quick scan of the wikipedia pages (these are the simplest of sources, even you can understand these) will show that invocation goes back millenia (greeks/ancients/etc.), whilst evocation is seen as a "western tradition." Evocation was very rarely (if even at all) used by the old, because it was seen as useless (It's not even mentioned in any ancient texts!). The word is quite recent.
>Here is one example that supports my claim and I will present more if you continue to be a faggot about this: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Evocation.htmlMore proof of the perversions. I used to wonder that site, but I've realized my errors. No serious practitioner believes such corrupted sources (you need to go back to the beginning).
>You got a problem with wands mundane? The Golden Dawn uses them. I don't know many New Agers using it. Wicca garbage also probably uses them but they are a shitstain upon occultism.You're being serious, aren't you.
>You're the dumbshit who can't process what is being said here properly. Yesterday, I was doing that research and shit on a particular problem, but I have some similar stuff for the last 6 years now and hell even did some stuff earlier than that.Are you trying to communicate with me? You are a bumbling faggot who cannot form coherent sentences. Before you try mastering the spiritual, try learning not to smash your face on the keyboard when you want to be taken seriously.
>I plunged my face into this for several minutes not seconds. You can get to a point where you can touch burning hot iron and manipulate molten lead with your bare hands and it won't even burn you and you can hold your handle in a candle for a long time and same thing, it doesn't do shit to you.You're basically plagiarizing off of a video that was posted here on this very subject. Prove it, you plebeian.
>I am better than you until proven otherwise.Nice debating skills. Tell me what the mental plane looks like and I'll consider you a fellow chosen.
>Nope WIP but I'll say it involved trances and thoughtforming and a lot of spectacular manifestations but no more than that because I don't want your mundane conscious influence muddying it up, one gets the best results when they observe the 4 laws of the magus:Low level-shit, is that it? I bet you made a tulpa girlfriend, didn't you?
>ordered to move the blood around in their body and it will workYes, all humans have the innate ability to control their bodies to do their will (The subjects are in trance which removes their mental limitations and allows them to preform at expert). It's a more powerful version of energy diversion.
>Wasn't talking about the eyes there, was talking about my right knee and right inner-groin area>6 monthsYou haven't elaborated enough, this point is null.
>attended many threads discussing the matter+5
1. They are physical structures. I don't think you understand what a thoughtform (this is starting to become a buzzword)
For that last part, get your hands off your dick and type coherently.
I'm going to assume what you're trying to ask me. Yes, if a person who has no idea about chakras has their chakras seen by a person who is experienced, they will see that the ignoramus has chakras.
2. Roughly: They are the energy regulators, each responsible for its own part of the body. If your pipes are clogged, you are less human. Chakra is a beings power level.
3. Many. Doing it yourself.
4. "Blood" transports the body's energy. Without blood, the chakras are useless.
5. I don't meditate on chakra. All of mine are at their most open and powerful state, meditation will not change a thing. (With knowledge and awareness they will open by themselves)
> deep gouging wound or pieces of glass embedded into the body> majorSure, the wounds can easily be closed and made certain that they won't reopen, but what is the definition of healed? The wound will not, within hours, be completely gone.
> by some advanced persons I have witnessed myself and if they took their abilities even further they will be able to do more amazing thingsExplain, only for the purpose so that I can refute.
>>13805>>13801
> dude's getting swords put right through their body, people eating glass bulbs and rusty nails and other nasty shit, a big slashes into the stomach healing up in a really short while, and getting run over by trucks multiple times and breaking legs but then being fully healed in just a day.Come on, man. That's straight from Stan Lee's show (and Chris Angel), this is another piece to the evidence that you're a neophyte.
>I bet they could heal the finger but they will have to attach it back and then heal it, I'm not sure how long and how difficult it would be for them to grow a whole new finger, but that's obviously motherfucking HARDCORE and if you're at that level of development you probably won't be getting hurt in the first place, your body would likely be invulnerable to most attacks, and you're probably a shapeshifter too by then.This is the third strike on your neophyte card. After losing the finger, you can throw it away, as once it detaches, it is useless. We already know how to regrow our limbs, but it is a slow (couple of weeks) process in comparison to spontaneous regeneration. You're assuming things, when you have no critical thinking or experience.
>How about slivers? Taking out a sliver just by willing it is some pretty top-tier shitParlor trick, it doesn't actually imbed in the skin, the cells shape around it. The simplest things surprise you, newbies, the rabbit hole goes deeper.
>I bet you some humans have but those ones are the ones that fly around UFOs and travel through space and are sometimes as old as a thousand years old. One of those UFOs crashed before and several (rather really short) blonde haired men were killed in it and they recovered the bodies. When they observed the brains of these men in the autopsy, they realized from the folding in the brain matter they were like a thousand years old, and would have been around way back in ancient times. ( Citation: Book of Aquarius )
>Average Earth-bound human probably can't do that shit.Strike 4. Humans are bound to earth and while we can live to a thousand, we do not fly UFOs. That book is a piece of fiction (What were the blonde men called, I remember the name, Euclidians, Atlantians, something on the lines of that)
>You get into contact with the right spirits you will find some powerful motherfuckers that can do a LOT for you. My quote there wasn't even fucking related to making spirits do shit for you anyways, well it wasn't supposed to be, even though it says "prayer" which is a form of requesting. I don't pray and make requests, I intend.You keep saying this, but what have they done?
>My quote there wasn't even fucking related to making spirits do shit for you anyways, well it wasn't supposed to be, even though it says "prayer" which is a form of requesting. I don't pray and make requests, I intend.It was, you just don't have the perception to pick up on it. Man can will, but without spirits he is null.
>Yeah I know you a lazy nigga but I'm bursting with mad info and like to share with everyone and I will be doing fuckloads more writing outside of this thread I post like sanic speed.Ok, champ.
>>138021019/119 = 8.56 = 856%
Do you even have a GED?
I'll give you one more free reply, ask me anything.
>>13804Honestly, the hulls of the black walnuts can kill parasites, but the species might not be the exact one (might).
>>13807Nvm, read some old notes. You should be good to store the hulls for later use.
So what's the deal with homosexuality?
>>13815Nothing. All hedonism and sexual deviancy should be avoided.
>>13808Yeah, I've been learning how to prep them best for dyeing.
Walnut trees have so many uses that I've never bothered to learn about before coming here.
Its gonna take a year to dry so I have plenty of time to find book on wand making and other various uses for various wood's.
>>13816Why do you consider homosexuality hedonistic?
>>13818How is it not? All forms of sexuality are hedonistic; hetero, homo, pedo, necro, beastiality, and so on are all hedonistic. Anything that involves sex is hedonistic. Hedonism is the bane of wizards, it drains our loosh and leaves us with noting. We must learn to be unattached from all temptations like the monks in order to attain extreme power.
Trust me, I'm in the illuminati.
>>13819lmfao
You are well humored. Good fortunes to you.
>>13819Not exactly the answer I'm looking for but I'll accept it for now
>>13821Of dubs that was the answer you were looking for, cunt.
>>13819What do you mean by all temptations?
>>13827Anything from drugs, sex, delacicies, and so on. You must be unattached.
Here is some black walnut branches I cut up this morning, their from around a hundred year old black walnut tree so some of them are as hard as rock.
Any wizardry uses for them?
>>13804Just follow the instructions of Franz Bardon.
>>13805>This is untrue, if you had any social/ verbal experience you would know this.No it's completely true you butthurt faggot.
>It's a way of saying "You're a grown ass adult, you can make your own decisions and I don't care if you castrate yourself, it's your problem."Aka dismissing what they just said.
>If this was a real situation this would of ended a long time and I'm only replying to warn others, who may read, of their mistakes.You are so full of yourself.
>It's becoming obvious that you're grasping for reassuring evidence that is slowly fading with each reply.Look you fucking faggot, these few replies I've made to you are only like 5% of what I've written today, and unlike your lazy ass it ain't no problem for me to shit-talk you for years on end if that's how this thread goes.
>I'll pardon this, you didn't read the text further down.Nigga fuck off.
>This is true, but you're still missing the target.Nope.
>The stars and gods look favourably upon me, I would not have asked for any other life, but this one.Sure thing.
>Some of what you say will be valid, but you know not why.I don't respect what you say at all and don't believe you.
>I bet you believe the "astral (Alas, how modern occultists have perverted thee!) is the 4th plane?Oh you're the butthurt faggot that left /astral/ after getting his asshole torn by everyone there lol.
>Getting a bit butt-blasted there, kiddo?no u
>You are sounding more and more like an angsty teenager everyday. (Don't worry, I was like you once, I believed I had found the secrets of all, but it goes deeper, much deeper.)Nah that was me mocking you, you really think you've found the secrets of all right now, you obviously haven't got over your so called "angsty teenager" phrase edomite.
>Appeal to authority, is your crime. Only the books of the old are relevant, most (if not all) modern texts are perversions of other sacred texts.Yep you are the asspained faggot from /astral/
>The word is quite recent.Yes and the more recent terminology is better, deal with it ancientfag.
>Are you trying to communicate with me? You are a bumbling faggot who cannot form coherent sentences. Before you try mastering the spiritual, try learning not to smash your face on the keyboard when you want to be taken seriously. h b6t y (tfw only my huge nose is hitting the keyboard, oy vey)
>You're basically plagiarizing off of a video that was posted here on this very subject. Prove it, you plebeian.What video? If I prove this you will have to see my face. Can I do it with just my hand?
>Nice debating skills. Tell me what the mental plane looks like and I'll consider you a fellow chosen.You are not chosen edomite swine.
>Low level-shit, is that it? I bet you made a tulpa girlfriend, didn't you?If you consider that low-level then impress me with your weezord powers it shouldn't be so hard for you. (inb4 excuses)
>You haven't elaborated enough, this point is null.Your face is null.
>For that last part, get your hands off your dick and type coherently.No. Muh dick bixnood. *crotch grabbing intensifies*
>(With knowledge and awareness they will open by themselves)Sounds like the chakras concept is useless then and if you were to be taken seriously could be ignored altogether.
>Explain, only for the purpose so that I can refute.
>Come on, man. That's straight from Stan Lee's show (and Chris Angel), this is another piece to the evidence that you're a neophyte."Hurrr durrr someone fakes eating food so eating food is not real it's just a trick." –you
Shit happened in a context that was not fucking fake, was seen by cameras, and the trucks btw got all smashed up by their bodies and they got taken to jail but escaped.
>This is the third strike on your neophyte card. After losing the finger, you can throw it away, as once it detaches, it is useless. We already know how to regrow our limbs, but it is a slow (couple of weeks) process in comparison to spontaneous regeneration. You're assuming things, when you have no critical thinking or experience.It's obvious you're a neophyte so I don't give a shit are your three strikes system of nonsense. You are no authority to me.
>Parlor trick, it doesn't actually imbed in the skin, the cells shape around it. The simplest things surprise you, newbies, the rabbit hole goes deeper.Hurr everything is a trick just because there's people that can do certain things in a tricky manner.
>Strike 4. Humans are bound to earth and while we can live to a thousand, we do not fly UFOs. That book is a piece of fiction (What were the blonde men called, I remember the name, Euclidians, Atlantians, something on the lines of that)Please gives me more strikes they turn me on.
>1019/119 = 8.56 = 856%sheeeeeiiiiitttttt get this rayciss math out of here nigga
>I'll give you one more free reply, ask me anything.y u such a huuuge fagot tho?
>>13805Dude you sound like a huge faggot. So egotistical and shit. If I were a god I'd give you the worst luck ever.
Is it acceptable to love a thoughtform?
As in, instead of lust or with lust you put the energy of love and other emotions into it.
I can't seem to put enough energy into a thought form unless I view it as another sentient mind.
An equal I guess.
>>13877Why the fuck would it be an "equal"?
Anyways, thoughtforms run on astral energy which is emotions, and if you are creating sentient thoughtforms like tulpas you will notice they are retarded when you don't give them love. It's not just acceptable, it's fucking necessary, because without astral energy you can't even create thoughtforms and have them function.
Where to begin with practicisng Hermeticism?
I have no idea where to start, I've read the Kybalion, some random texts, but I have no idea how to start practicing.
>>13885Franz Bardon: Initiation into Hermetics
Read the note in the Fringe Essentials folder in in the Mega file on the stickyed thread on this board.
>>13885What the anon above me said. Do it neophyte. The Fringe Essentials folder will get you started.
Did learning how to AP and whatnot change your daily lives?
I can't see myself putting a lot of time into video games as I have if I learn this stuff
>>13903That's a good point. For me AP has turned me off videogames in the third density a lot. The games you can play in the astral are just so much more advanced and unlimited and diverse they totally put to shame the games in our physical existence.
guise how do I open my chakra? any simple practice based books to achieve this?
>>13918I talked about it a lot here: (
>>13904 ).
Read my thread there.
…the scientific evidence basically suggest, "focus on them", and that will activate them. However I have better instructions in that thread pertaining the the chakras matter.
>>13819>>13835Not all hedonism. Read this quote about negative hedonism.
>Negative hedonism claims that the desire for things leads to suffering, as inevitably you will be unable to fulfill your desires. >You must instead cast off your desires. >If you want little or none you cannot be harmed by not being fulfilled, and thus be content.Anyways, to my main point; I do agree that non-attachment is important. However, non-attachment isn't the same as aversion. Attachment and aversion are two extremes that bring forth suffering.
Non-attachment, in a way I see it, is understanding that nothing is permanent and thus it is impossible to cling to anything.
However, this doesn't mean you have to become cold and distant! Monks in all their non-attachment and 'anti-desireness' still interact with people and they even have hobbies from poetry to music.
It could be thus possible to do things you like to do, and - at the same time - realize how impermanent it is. Then you could learn to control your temptations and become non-attachment.
Again, non-attachment isn't aversion. It's a realization.
However, I view that sex, alcohol and drugs should be avoided because of their addictive and harmful properties. Reading a book (for leisure) is more beneficial.
Pleasure isn't the problem; attachment is. If you get pleasure from reading, that's not bad. But if you cannot be without reading books (because they give you pleasure), then that's bad.
All shall pass. Nothing is permanent. Realizing this is necessary.
Just posting some thoughts.
What kind of practices would you recommend to neophyte?
I've been making sigils without much success, but I would like to have something else to do.
>>13937The practices in the Initiation into Hermetics, read the Kybalion, and do whatever you want after that.
>>13939All right, thank you, would you recommend the other two books?
>>13937Sigils won't even work for you unless you do IIH-type practises first.
Sigils are quick and easy – but do nothing unless you've already metaphysically prepared yourself to be a potent wizard.
Go read the entire Fringe Essentials folder + The Science of Breath.
Can I make a sigil for somebody else or is this not recommended? Let's say I would make a sigil to attract a positive experience for this person, is this okay? or am I breaking this person's free will?
>>13958Yes. There's examples of this in another thread where someone made a bunch of sigils sigils for me. They all worked, too.
>>13941
>Sigils won't even work for you unless you do IIH-type practises first.So be it done unto you according to your faith. I had success with sigils before I'd even heard of IIH.
>>13961Same. Al you need is will, not some mumbo jumbo made by the Juden.
I've started reading the Universal Master Key by Franz Bardon and it says there that no ailment can be healed if it's caused by karma.
How can I identify if an ailment is caused by karma without trying to heal someone and failing to do so?
I need someone to pull me into the astral
I've been trying for a good while using many methods now and the only success I got was through extreme exhaustion, but I had no control and quickly disconnected
>>13966im getting horrible full body seizures when I lay on my back now after about 20 minutes of doing it
>>13963Really? Does it actually say shit like that in there? Fuck I got to go read it all now and examine the texts closer for nonsense like that.
>>13966Why lay on your back?
If you want to AP all that stuff won't help.
What's everyone's opinion about super-psi? How does it compare to the idea of legitimate survival?
>>13988what do you mean? it seems like many people prefer to project while laying down
>>14001in fact the author of Astral Dynamics wrote that lying on his back was the only position in which he was capable of projecting
>>14001You can project in any position, particularly all of the asanas, and even at an advanced stage while in motion or even you may get to the point of becoming a jivanmukta and developing dual consciousness so you're always projected in the astral and yet have an awareness about your body at the same time.
Anyways laying down != laying on you back. You can AP laying down on your sides or on your stomach or even sitting in a chair. Lobsang Rampa describes APing while sitting in a comfortable chair I believe.
Also if you're getting paralysis from laying on your back that's an indicator of a weakness in your body which needs to be corrected lel, probably bad circulation or your nervous system needs work which is primarily developed through various meditations, martial arts, yoga, and pranayama (aka breathing exercises), and certain dietary choices can probably aid the process as well.
That method of AP is kind of a cheat. There's lots of methods like that and I've shared some on astral but they are really noob methods for people who just need to really get in the astral and suck. I want you to experience the astral because it's a whole new level of existence and really beautiful and full of infinite possibilities for experiences. However a true adept will develop more advanced methods and become really skilled in astral projection until it becomes natural and easy, like an athlete developing to a very high level of skill by taking good care of his body and his mind and attaining high physical development. The teachings of Franz Bardon will really help you unlock your powers definitely and give you much better and easy access to the astral and eventually total immersion. So keep that in mind. AP's a skill you can develop and strengthen like any other but you need the right knowledge.
>>14003ahahahah really? Fuck I need to take another read through that book. I am BETTER than him at AP but I love his terminology and astral lore so I still recommend the book.
Recommended reading list for astral:
- Lobsang Rampa books
- Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce
- Initiation Into Hermetics by Franz Bardon
- me and my astral guides, because I am a natural and have a deep understanding of it
>>14020>I am BETTER than him at APYour astral travels seem kind of random though. He can project in the real-time zone or the astral planes at will.
>>14026It is the idea that states that phenomena, such as mediums communicating with disembodied entities, is simply an incredibly elaborate illusion to hide the fact that the medium is actually unconsciously gathering information from the brains of living individuals all around the world in order to piece together a coherent message. Some proponents of super psi also state that this ability has the capacity to transcend time and space in order to gather more information for the narrative the medium is trying to weave. Also, the medium is completely unaware of this process as it occurs, and truly believes that he or she is making contact with a disembodied entity.
Can a historic tribe and/or nation create a thoughtform which endures to last in the Astral which contains information about the respective tribe/nation?
>>13941>>13961>>13962I actually got my latest sigil to work without much hassle. I was little skeptic but nevertheless, it worked.
Hey guys, I'm going to begin regularly meditating tonight before bed and I have a few questions.
Is there a certain type of meditation that I should start with?
Is there some kind of guide to follow?
How long does it take to be able to AP?
How does loosh work?
>>14023That's because I mostly AP at random with no particular goals in mind quite regularly just to explore shit and see what happens.
>>14039Start with Q-MM and well… fuck man I'll write up the whole list later. …first thing to do though is clear your mind.
>>14039>Is there a certain type of meditation that I should start with?like the other anon said, try to get rid of all your random thoughts and think of nothing for a few minutes
>Is there some kind of guide to follow?IIH/Book of Knowledge are in the sticky
>How long does it take to be able to AP?Different for everyone, some are naturally talented and can do it on their first try while others have to go through months of practice before their first AP
>How does loosh work?Smiley wrote a detailed explanation some time ago but I'm not sure whether it was on /fringe/ or /ask/. I suggest you read through both boards to gain more understanding.
>>12301Praying is just celestial magick, it can have perks to pray or too other things to astral beings i.g demons,gods etc.
But really it is pointless
>>13604i'd like to enter dreams of other people.
>>14104Well then… start practising IIH.
Why is our universe said to be the lowest of all the planes?
Because we have are not completely degenerate - for we have soul and spirit - could it be that there are more physical and lower planes?
>>14107>our universe said to be the lowest of all the planeswhere did you read that?
I was under the impression that there are lower planes where the demons reside
>>14108From Wikipedia, the article for 'Plane (esotericism)'.
>… the physical universe in Occultism and esoteric cosmology is the lowest or densest of a series of planes of existence.From this extract I have understood that our universe is the lowest plane, and this seems to be the consensus among various occult traditions, but maybe there's more to it?
>>14109Material existence / 1st density is the most far removed from god / absolute infinite spirit.
why is the demiurge so mean?
>>14155It doesn't have consciousness or conscience, how can it thus be malevolent? I don't agree with the Gnostics or Montalk on this subject.
How 2 become immortal using magick?
How do i get started w/ magick?
>>14168Very few have become immortal, if not none. All of us wizards do not want to live on this piece of shit so-called "physicality". We want to explore the astral realm.
To get started with magick definitely study heavily on Hermeticism and chaos magick. Those two combined are a very powerful way of magick. Read the Kybalion first, read Liber Null & Psychonaut and put chaos into practice, then read stuff like Prometheus Rising and psychology and stuff. Then, when you believe you're ready, read and put into practice Initiation into Hermetics. When you're done with that you should have a vast knowledge if magick. I've only been here about 7-9 months and I consider myself a wizard. Smiley has only been doing magick for about 2 or 3 years and he's very advanced. Just study, get greenpilled, and practice.
tl;dr (I advise you read the whole thing) just start with chaos magick and Hermeticism and only idiots want physical immortality. Them you'll find your own path, although you'll think you found the right path many times you'll find the right one eventually. I landed on Asatru.
anything about movement, jumping, or martial arts?i exercise already,but i'd like to improve myself
>>14170O. Thanks! I'll go read that now
Also say I wanted to materialize a new, more powerful body,and transfer my soul into it, would it be possible?
>>14173Why are you so hung up on material existence? The 3rd dimension is like a playground. I would recommend focusing on 'leveling up' to higher dimensions. (supersede physicality)
>>14174Well, don't know, just curious. Would be nice if we could do it.
H-higher dimension, you say? Interesting
>>14175Ignore that faggot. We wizards aren't about accepting an inferior condition, we seek to overcome and perfect our being, and to find actual solutions to problems not just accept them and suffer under them.
Yeah you can do that. There was someone on /x/ that did it after a few months of ritual and he ended up taking over a younger female body (original guy was an older male virgin).
>>14168Start reading the mega folder.
Hey all,
So I've decided to start reading from the Nag Hammadi library but it looks really convoluting and intimidating as a whole to utilise the information perfectly.
Is there an order of texts anyone can suggest I read to get the best out of it all?
>>14190Yeah i've seen it, I wonder if he got his body back..
>>14193Alright. I've downloaded every folders.. Shall this spiritual journey begin
>>14190I'm reading the kybalion. I have to say it's pretty shocking. It all coincides. So magic is real..
I fookin freak out everytime i'm entering in state of transe. I fear meditation because i think it may give access to my subconscious to people easily. I also fear it me dumber because when you meditate you learn to think less. Have any of you guys who meditate witnessed any loss of intelligence or something?
>>14208No it does the exact opposite and you will understand why when I'm done writing about this in my book. It protects you from the influences of others by expanding your awareness and intensifying your thinking. Meditation definitely does not involve thinking less.
>>14195Do you have Meyer's edition? It has useful introductions for each text! The texts themselves are quite disconnected, I say, and with differing ideas. Be cautious!
Maybe the following texts will give you a good start? I won't promise anything, but I feel these scripture's content might help to grasp the basics.
These are about the archons and the creation of the world.
>The Nature of the Rulers >On the Origin of the World>Authoritative DiscourseValentinian thought (the last two) and on Jesus.
>The Gospel of Truth>Tripartite Tractate>Treatise on ResurrectionThen The Gospel of Thomas. 114 sayings by Jesus, some of them in the New Testament.
>>14210They're ancient Gnostic texts found in Nag Hammadi, Egypt.
Fun fact of the day: did you know that Hermeticism is a Gnostic religion? They both aim for the gnosis and salvation, but Hermeticism has a little more positive view on the creator and the cosmos. In the texts 'craftsman' - the demiurge - is not really evil, and his work is even admired - but humans are flawed and attached to material.
>>14214Excuse me, The Gospel of Truth seems to be the only Valentinian text.
>>14214Reading from the gnosis website, thanks for the guidance.
>>14212What will be the title of your book?
>>14220Name could change.
Other names I've thought of are:
Ultimate Magic Guide
Fringe Magic
Fringe Grimoar
etc.
>>14223Just name it "Fringe knowledge."
>>14261…but I'd be stealing off of Montalk's book name.
Is there any easy experience a newbie can do to prove himself magic is real?
>>14278tummo meditation is what did it for me, I suggest you look into that
Can someone who knows what they're talking about clear up for me which chakra involves sexuality/reproduction?
Some sources say it's Muludhara, others Svadhisthana.
>>11391This is super late, but Ayurdent is amazing. Ayurvedic toothpaste, fluoride-free and concentrated so its actually a better value. Probably will have to order online. My teeth/mouth feel amazing since switching. There are others; I suggest the ayurvedic ones b/c they have merit other than being fluoride-free.
>inb4 shill>>14627Technically all of them are impactful, but there are certain ones that are more closely related.
The base chakra is the source of seminal energy, which is both sexual and creative/destructive. In its root form, it is a sexual energy which must be transmuted/sublimated to spiritual energy in order to create reality and bend it to one's will. Hence why spiritual masters are often renunciates, and also why we are so anti-fapping and seed-spilling here. There is no life energy but Shakti, which is sexual in nature. Hence the Muladhara where the energy originates is very important for vitality and sexuality. Perhaps the most important, but other chakras are also significant depending on which aspect of sexuality we're discussing. A weak foundation will throw everything off, including sex, is the take home there.
The Sacral is about sexual/emotional expression and the seat of female sexuality (one seems to follow from the other). A lack of energy/ block here will lead to clinginess, frigidity, or even impotence. An excess can make you controlling or even abusive (sexually or otherwise) so this is perhaps the second most closely-linked to sex.
Also of note are the Solar plexus/ Manipura, which can make you either sexually insecure or inhibited depending on which direction you're imbalanced. As well as the Throat/Vishudda, which can make you afraid of sex if underactive.
As is hopefully becoming clear, since one chakra tends to compensate by becoming over/underactive in response to an imbalance elsewhere, they're all important. One cannot consider the parts without the whole.
Check out Chpt4 of the book of knowledge, attached, for more. Also just a great greenpill book overall. Hopefully this helped, though it may not fully answer the original question.
Calling Wizard Hat Guy; would you be so kind as to create a sigil to accelerate the visualization/ AP development of those of us who are having great difficulty? Currently decalcifying/practicing visualization but cannot seem to form more than a blob that mostly lines up with the letter/number I'm trying to "see".
I plan on doing an evocation soon, nut i would like to bring my friend to watch and maybe film it.
Would that cause any problems?
