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Sometimes the best teacher isn't a person, maybe you should just read the recommended books and put questions in the fucking questions thread

>>99556

i literally have not been outside of fringe, i link i used a while back took might straight here and i did not even know there was a questions board for fringe. would be happy to move this there.

I'd answer you but I may as well just keep writing my book and release it when it's done. There are specific things I could talk about, little pieces of the puzzle, but I must present a lot more to get you to the point of actually operating.

>>99553

You should find your purpose. Create it. Choose it. Find it.

You might want to find a group you can work with. Not necessarily formal, though you can make it formal, but a casual group would be enough motivation and direction to "open pandora's box" so to speak.

Maybe you realize that you'd have x999 more phenomena of the spoopy variety if you actually started doing shit. Your parents had each other, were socially involved, and weren't going to become estranged and isolated from their experiences so they had no sub-conscious reservations.

You though likely need the security of knowing your experiences won't over power your ability to function and live in the normal world. Maybe your fear of being unable to achieve what your parents have done is stopping you, performance anxiety but ingrained.

Sometimes the positive; power, abundance, thrill, joy; can be more terrifying than the negative.

Go have some average satisfying experiences and your 'block' should dissolve. Get out of your head. Talk about your experiences and parents and all this shit with normal or not-normal people, friends, co-workers, strangers… you can have all the power inside but if it doesn't reach out to the world it'll never manifest.

The "Electric Cultivation" thread has a manga list;

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/The-Breaker

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Zui-Wu-Dao

>Zui Wu Dao is fucking awesome and most relevant to your case I think.

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Star-Martial-God-Technique

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Veritas

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Red-Storm

>>99553

dude focus on lucid dreaming. if you can't even manipulate your own personal deamscape how can you hope to manipulate a shared rigid reality

They say that when you are ready for a teacher, one will come to you. You shouldn't focus too much on results yet and instead work on Step 1 of IIH and read as many books as you can. Meditate and ponder on long walks the Hermetic Principles.

>>99642

red storm resonated very well with me and i was able to take some information and make new powerful meditations.

its also a damn good read.

Four times.

>>99666

teachers are for pussies. probably manipulated by aliens. trust no one, not even yourself until you can build yourself up

>>99686

>teachers are for pussies

nice attitude.

why do you teach?

>>99691

It is not my intention, I try not to come across as condescending (unless you literally fail to comprehend what I say so I have to teach you to stop being retarded. lul)

My intention is to work and collaborate towards a greater understanding for everyone, myself included.

It comes across as teaching when I am only giving info…

One must always consult their intellect when exploring and expanding their understanding

The worst is when someone blindly accepts/obeys what someone else says without understanding what was said.

However, that being said, sometimes you do need a teacher for rapid development of a skill perhaps, in which case (once you have found someone worthy of it) you should blindly trust them and obey the practices and exercises

>>99642

by purpose you mean what i want to do with my life, because i know what i want… accomplishing it is not so easy, but your words are not lost on me.

i'm starting a group this Saturday were suppose to be getting together once a week to talk and learn more about the supernatural. each session is a mix of topics were interested in plus personal thoughts and attempts to learn from one another. if you have more ideas i might be interested in adding them to the group.

talking with average people besides my small group of mostly "supernatural stuff is fake" friends is a bit difficult as most of my time is taken with a stay at home job, lack of a vehicle also adds to the difficulties. but i will still see what i can do

thank you for the helpful info and i will hope to apply it, if you have anything to add i will gladly listen.

The best way to teach, is to get them to figure it out for themselves. If you just tell them they will never learn

That's why teaching requires time and patience and willingness to care

On the other hand saying some ambiguous shit like a pretentious douche is only going to help get your own dick hard and piss off everyone else

>>99719

>All perception is rooted in the flesh. Treat the flesh treat the root.

What are OOBE, especially when the body was clinically dead?

>>99726

While OOB you are still rooted and connected to the flesh. It's why you look like you do when in your body until you change it.

People having OOBE while dead are not technically dead, since the tissues don't die and become inhospitable to a soul/spirit until the heart has stopped for a long time (at normal room temperature in the air), along the lines of 10 minutes is normally too much decay for a person to remerge with their body on their own.

A sufficiently skilled, knowledgeable and thus powerful spirit/soul could remerge with their body after 1 hour+, or longer (jesus, 3 days?) with help or even greater skill/power.

Non-human souls/spirits of great power, skill and knowledge could manifest from dirt or sand or thin air a human body.

You are still "Body Imprinted" long after you're dead (usually). This means you still retain much of the body consciousness or artifacts of body consciousness long after you're dead.

This never the less does not invalidate my statement. The root is one third of the tree, and so the flesh is one third of the Human. There is indeed energy pathways, circuits, systems, and basically metaphysical systems of incredible alien concept to the mundane which can be considered the trunk or branches of Human perception.

Note on OOBE: People experience a chord attached to their Out-of-body body going back to their fleshy body while projecting.

>>99757

Your use of the word flesh is inconsistent with everyone else in the world. If the heart stops and there is no blood flow, there is zero brain activity. Therefore an OOBE while clinically dead means perception cannot happen through physical means.

Therefore perception is not rooted in the flesh.

Feel free to completely trash all knowledge of biology though. If you can make an entirely new cohesive alternative theory that explains all the biological processes better than the theories we already have, then go for it. Your attempts can be entertaining if we are lucky

>>99761

Treat the flesh → Exercise, diet, "science of breath", etc.

If you have blocked channels in the flesh you have blocked perceptions.

Pulling a plant out from the earth does not mean the plant does not root in the earth, it does not mean the plant roots in the air.

>>99773

Channels aka Charkras are not physical.when it's something all entities have

>>99778

Channels aka acupressure points and meridians aka you should read more than a handful of same-same books and concepts.

>>99778

As well, the channels are parable for blocked intentions. If your mind can't remember something due to improper brain chemicals, malnutrition, poor blood flow, etc etc, you have a blocked channel.

>>99782

>>99788

Maybe you should try to understand the shit you keep regurgitating

Or maybe read more. There is a truckload of literature that correlates completely the acupressure points and meridian concept of qi with chakras.

Anyways, call it what you will but qi/chi is not physical and it's something all entities have. Including nonphysical entities, ie they do not exist at all in the physical realm

>>99665

i can manipulate my dreams, lucid dreaming actually come easy to me as long as my sleeping cycle is going well. i tend to use my lucid dreams to ask questions about existence (believing that all minds or connected) the problem is about three weeks ago the beings i would ask questions of stopped showing up. now when i try to ask questions it's just the well dressed guy in a suit showing up watching me.

>>99666

you are not wrong i should start reading more. my problem with this is that in a world full of fakes, rolplayers, and people trying to make money i have no clue who's books are real and who's books are fake. after years of reading fakes i just want the real ones. also what are the hermetic principles?

>>99699

for me getting a teacher is not about blindly accepting or obeying him, it's similar to being back in school hes there to help me and guide me not to make me his servant.

>>99718

I see two common themes with teachers, A it's a guide and B you will get one when you are ready. As for A i say why can't he teach me how, whats wrong with expecting him to help me like i got back in school. And to B i say this sounds like an easy cop-out to say "oh it's your fault your just not ready" when people could easily just come out and say they are rare or far and in-between. just because you are "ready" does not mean you will ever get a teacher. Not all teachers are going to be some super powerful telepathy who seeks you out because they felt your cosmic energy reach the right point. This sounds more like roleplay than fact. but again this is all my opinions.

>>99719

your post is similar to what i was told by my parents, granted your is a lot more in depth and actually brings together why it would matter so thank you. i find it hard to work on the body but if that's what it takes so be it i'll take the leap. Seriously though thanks, a lot of people say you need X for Y but they don't explain why X and Y connect. Do you have any books you would suggest that would be more helpful?

Also when you talk about OOBE, i was wondering if you mean astral projection? i have been working my ass off for years trying to do this because i feel it's the next step i need to take to be able to learn what i need. i want to be able to interact with other beings that i believe i can meet in the astral realm. i have spent a long time using my dreams to ask questions of entities that seem to appear in them (i have called them oricals because if this nature) and for a long time this worked fine but than when it came to magic they turned cold and refused to continuing asking my questions. i continued pushing night after night and now for the past month or so they have stopped appearing in my lucid dreams. Now when i call out to them this man in black appears, he's clean cut wears a suit and is ether smoking or drinking. i try speaking with him but he takes his damn time to give me any kind of attention and often he ignores me or says he has no need to answer my questions… so i don't know if this means anything or if it's just my own mind fucking with me. But i hope if i can astral project i can meet new beings and learn from them, via trade of energy… i can produce it easy i just can't seem to use it.

>>99731

Thank you and congrats on the achievement it must be an amazing feeling to have.

as for books i run into the same issue where i just don't know where to start i don't know who's real and who's fake, i don't know if reading fake books will be any help. do you have any advice on who's books i should be looking into?

>>99794

I'll concede a point. Instead of perception I should have said function, but still.

Reading something in a dream or astral or whatever, does not translate as well into conscious knowing/retrieval as it's less… dense. Using your hands and eyes to turn a physical book translates into being easily accessible while awake and probably when asleep.

So that's my point → Use the flesh as your "war front", your "vanguard" to most things.

You ever read manga where the protag has to train his constitution by extreme physical training in order to handle more "chi" or "spirit power" or whatever they'll call it in the manga? Yeah, well, that's the idea here. If you train to be like Bruce Lee and a gymnast and a strongman, you'll have the strength, constitution, will, control, qi and meridians necessary to handle actual power and ability.

I read an interesting concept that's apparently in chinese(japanese?) culture well enough to be in a manga: Dude was warned that if he tries to use too much power/chi, it'll reverse on him and result in "demon possession"… even though it was just a forced energy reversal and self-destruction, it was called demon possession besides the fact it had nothing to do with demons, in context of the manga.

Shamans have the concept of "power intrusion", which they call any power of the natural (and unnatural? waiting to find a shaman book for the artificial and technological spirits) world that invades the body, like an illness but is more metaphysical. This as well is a result of a weak constitution, or vigor.

So the physically powerful are less susceptible to all "intrusions" or "reversals", due to the nature of physical training… training the flesh. Furthermore, extending the realm of "flesh training" to "vigor training"… or, life force training, due to its direct contact (1 degree of separation until you reach a certain threshold of power/function), it's even moreso relevant. Directing energy that is in direct perception BY the flesh, is indeed good training; or at least a great realm to train. Mind the fact that tactile response is a direct measure of the strength of the energy in question….

So… your definitions of what is physical and non-physical is arbitrary, as one feels the "non-physical" physically and the "physical" non-physically. There is no fucking non-physical, it's a matter of degrees of the physical.

The fucking point of all this is that I'm trying to help a dude who wants to unlock his power; that's going to be by building up his body first.

>>99553

Do olympic lifting with DBs, gymnastics, martial training, strongman training, cardio, calisthenics and mobility training. Iron pill I guess.

Read "Science of Breath", it's in the Occult Seed. Brown pill I guess.

Read every book in the Occult Seed then choose your path. Shaman, Qi/Meridian (which can be broken down into martial, spiritual and medical), summoning, hermetic, jewish, chaos, contemporary, love and light unity, yogi, or many others as well as sub-categories thereof.

>>99553

Hmmm yeah wow maybe you should ask you PARENTS or did they die in a freak accident, too?

>>99831

>>99832

Develop your intuition. Logic is bountiful, intuition is not. Remain within a center of intuition.

Read them all and don't get stuck in any of them. The "charlatans" teach as much as the "masters". Intuition. Intuitive logic.

You will not grow until you choose intuition over logic. Let logic serve intuition. The dress of wisdom comes off the woman of power only after seduction by intuition, not the force of deduction.

Don't get performance anxiety; just workout light and easy.

If you can do 20 push ups do 15.

30 mins later if you can do 20 sit ups do 15.

30 mins later if you can do 30 squats do 20.

etc etc.

Good activities:

Head stand(start against the wall)

hand stand(start against the wall)

push ups variations

handstand push up variations

squat variations

animal walks

static holds

power snatch (use a db)

power clean & jerk (db)

uneven variations

Look up a bunch of different exercises and physical activities and utilize them according to what gets you the best results.

focus on strengthening and making supple the connective tissues (tendons, ligaments). When I do a power snatch for instance, then lower it very slowly, I feel pain when I relax my arm when I drop the weight. Relaxing right after a contraction will reveal hidden pain an discomfort. You want to make that disappear by "youthing" your tissues. Self massage and stretch in your spare time after any activity. Your tissues only improve if you cycle tension/exertion with relaxation/effortlessness. Power and Economy.

Try to have some enthusiasm and fun about it. Positive emotion is its own power, and is great motivation.

Those with greater knowledge are subject to greater trials, as there are those whose business it is to know who may threaten their power and thus they subjugate such persons.

If you want power you must have power. Begin with the power you have. The body. Knowledge. Energy. Money. Connections. Skill. Accumulate all you can, gain all you can, and you will passively have enough power to fight the battles you don't even realize you're fighting.>>99832

>>99832

Check out the astral projection thread

If you can lucid dream them have you tried dreaming in real world places? Can you manipulate the dream? Like changing the environment

>>99831

Consider that you don't need guidance anymore and that you need to actually develop your own inherent understanding

If I didn't know better I'd say your dream guides left because you weren't actually learning/understanding anything but thought you were, but only blindly listening. They probably got sick of telling you answers without you getting it's meaning

Astral projection won't happen until your significantly self developed. You can't learn just from information and logic, you need to actually experience certain things to develop. Like riding a bike or so many other things

Read this for arguments for and against why knowledge isn't enough. Also just look into qualia if you want. There's a great vsauce video going into that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_argument

>>99842

>You can't learn just from information and logic,

I meant to say information and knowledge, I suppose that is also correct. That Freudian slip though