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>>98656

You don't know anything about real Kundalini. It's not your fault though, this topic is as much riddled with false teachings as anything else that is part of Tantra. Occultists borrow things freely from it without any understanding of the system and the true meaning and power are lost in translation. And Kundalini yoga is Tantrik yoga par excellence.

All those "Kundalini yogis" who boast about their "Kundalini experience" are deluded. Sure, maybe they have had some experience, maybe they even stirred it a bit, but that's all.

Real Kundalini ascension is full-on enlightenment. Even getting as far as some of the lowest chakras (the name, place etc. of them is dependent on chakra system you are using, what I mean is - the first step of the real Kundalini experience) is enough that some stop there and enjoy various siddhis and having true power.

If you want to know more about Kundalini and not fake "neo-Kundalini" then there aren't many books you can read, at least not many that I know of.

"Kundalini: The Energy of the Depths" by Lilian Silburn is a must-read.

Translation of "Kundalinivijnana rahasyam" by Swami Lakshman Joo is a bit lacking but a great read nonetheless, also I recommend "Kashmir Shaivism: the Secret Supreme" also by Swami Lakshman Joo, it touches on Kundalini too as far as I remember, but also provides you with context to this practice.

There are a few Kundalini-related meditations in Vijnanabhairava tantra, so you might like to take a look, just make sure to NOT read Osho's version, as it's not real Vijnanabhairava. Jaideva Singh edition is the best, also Swami Lakshman Joo one is good and a bit more comprehensible to someone who isn't knowledgeable about Tantra.

You might want to take a look at Woodroffe's famous "The Serpent Power" (which btw coined the term serpent power when talking about Kundalini) just bear in mind that this text is not an original tantra, but a relatively late treatise in which knowledge was already forgotten and a bit garbled. It is also a work from different Tantrik current, so there are some differences.

Abhinavagupta in his Xth century Tantraloka also described the practice in detail.

That's about it really. Do not trust any modern "Kundalini yogis" who say shit like "you must raise the energy mane", they are likely to not know anything of value.

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>>98663

>>98665

Here's "Kundalini: The Energy of the Depths" by Lilian Silburn if anyone wanted it. I don't have any of the other books but I haven't looked for them.

Because some one had to.

Tummo

The most powerful meditation you will ever do.

This is how Bodhidarhama Tat Mo, Naropa, Milarepa, all the tantric Bodhisattva's and even, the Buddha himself, achieved enlightenment.

It can be used to do anything, I won't detail the practical uses, half of the fun is figuring them out, however, I'll lay down the basic practices for the serious one's out there.

Only Developed Energy Bodies Should Try This

No kiddies allowed.

>inb4 How do I know I am developed enough ?

The day when you'll be able to breathe through both nosestrils at the same time and regulate your breath to do so on command under 1-10 minutes is the day when you can hope to be prepared enough for this.

In accordance to this, you need to have had a kundaini rising and are conversant in the science of breath.

This is Highest Yoga Tantra, not some soccer mom stretching, new ager feel good or some dellusional wizard imagination.

Disclaimer: I am not responsible for anything that happens to you as a result of practicing this High Tantric Practice, don't be stupid, don't be energetically imbalanced and especially, don't be fucking stupid. If you do not meet the criteria's, this practice can result in:

• Emotional and mental instability

• Paranoia

• Schizophrenia

• Medical conditions that even Dr Pheels can't treat

• Dehydration

• Spontaneous Combustion

• And much more, ranging from sweating like a jew in the oven to death.

>Ignore this at your own risk, don't cry if you fuck yourself up, I won't help you.

1. Synchronize the ida and pingala channels, monitor your nose strills.

2. Work on all your chakras thoroughly, don't race, take your time, breathe into them a certain number of times

3. Feel yourself as hollow, like a balloon. Your skin is glowing and on the inside there is only empty space. Take the time it takes to strongly establish this state.

4. Feel the energy from your perineum going through the spine and further up to the crown. When you feel the energy at your perinium, contract the PC muscles, as if you wanted to stop to pee mid flow.

5. At this point you should feel the central channel quite clearly and have some kundalini flowing inside the shushuma. Aquaint yourself with these feelings

6. Now feel two side channels going in through the nostrils up to the third eye and going down to the back of the head on both sides of the central channel, touching the root chakra, going up and merging together at the lower dan tiens

7. At the dan tiens, feel a small and hot ball of fire in the central channel, so hot that your breath, coming from the two side chanels, ignites this fiery ball and makes it extremely hot. Now hold the breath there in that dan tiens for as much as you can. (seconds at first, minutes later).

7b. As you are holding the breath inside the central channel at the small ball of heat just below the navel, draw energy up from below and above, lock and trap it in the ball of heat. Feel the ball of heat combusting into a fire so hot it would melt anything that would come in contact of it.

8. While still holding your breath, feel the ball of fire being so hot, it is igniting itself and sending flames up to the navel chakra and licking it ferociously with it's extremely hot flames. Feel your navel chakra being ignited too and the fiery ball growing so much that there are no distinction between the dan tiens and navel chakra.

9. Now release all the extremely hot energy you have created – straight up through the central and bursting out the top of your head where your crown lights up on an explosive mystical fire that keeps on growing and getting hotter and hotter and hotter. It seems to never die…

Do this all in ONE CONTROLLED BREATH (slow inhalation, gnetle hold and SLOW exhalation) and repeat it over and over and over again until you can't handle it anymore.

This is the Core Practice of ALL Tantras, it has nothing to do with sex, it is all about mastering the different energies of the body.

And thus, the first step of Highest Yoga Tantra is the mastery of the most powerful energy that has been awaken by means of Hatha Yoga or other stimulating practices, the kundalini.

>"As the chief of the Snakes is the support of the earth with all the mountains and forests on it, so All Tantras rest on Kundalini." ~Hatha Yoga Pradipika

[courtesy of AuntWatermelon]

>>99628

>the warnings are absolutely to be heeded.

I legit stopped my practice into this to work on my blockages for a year because it was too much. I literally could not handle it until I cleansed and developed my energy body more. At times I was literally writhing in pain for hours because of the sheer intensity of energy and the resistance due to stagnation in my imperfect temple-vessel.

>>99574

Just to be perfectly clear, I was just reposting. I'm not Auntie.

Please help me if you have any experience in this field. I believe I have had an incomplete activation as a child. My mother was deeply into esoterics and I remember her and friends showing me different things and urging me to do do certain exercises. Ever since I was about 4 years old I had a "vibrating" point on my forehead because of these exercises that would react to music, emotions and different stimuli. It gets stronger when exposed to those things, starts turning into a pressure, it's not a bad feeling, in fact it's kind of nice. But I feel manic whenever this happens and some time after, it's messing with my emotional stability.

Please help me! Can I close this? Can I activate it fully to get rid of this? I have had this for over 20 years now and I can't find a way out! I'm a mundane, I only read fringe out of interest.

>>99886

Also pray. bow down prostate forhead to ground

give up yourself to the eath or to god

this is a surefire way of grounding yourself

>>100462

wut did you just said bout me lil pashu

>>101167

He is too intellectual because he was pretty armchair tbqh. The fact that Tantra requires you to adapt to a whole new set of terminology and metaphysics isn't helping either. This contributes to widespread misinformation imho.

Regarding his knowledge about Tantra - we must remember that he lived in times when academic research into Tantra was just being born. Also, he had his own agenda. It seems to me that he sometimes forced the teachings into the context they were not meant to be forced into and that he put a lot of effort to make it seem that the ancient ideas of tantras are supportive of his own worldview. That being said - I'm not really a fan of Evola and haven't read much of his works, didn't finish the book in question either.

Part of this is perhaps not his fault. In his day the only reliable English sources on this stuff were the translations of Sir John Woodroffe as far as I'm aware. So yeah - information about Tantra was pretty scarce back then and he was not a Sanskrit speaker so he needed to rely on translations, which is not such a bad thing if you can examine the tradition from various sources, which he couldn't. Moreover, Woodroffe is known to have omitted some aspects in his translations (usually those more concerned with sorcery and morally ambiguous practices) and many of the things he wrote cannot be cross-referenced as he allegedly got this knowledge by the word of mouth (example - Evola quotes Woodroffe on some passage, tracing this quote reveals that Woodroffe quotes on this someone knowledgeable in Shastra who told him so; said passage presents an outlook never to be found anywhere else). His perhaps most-known work - "Serpent Power" is based on a late (circa XVI century if I remember correctly) treatise and not a tantra, so the knowledge and chakra system was already pretty garbled back then.

I think that this book suffers from lack of proper sources and understanding of them and overt attention to his ideas and not the ideas of the tradition he was writing about. Nevertheless, he got many things right (at least in context of Shaktism as Tantra is very far from homogeneous tradition as I explained in the Tantra thread). Some things in the system seem to be blown out of proportion in relation to their factual place in the system, but most likely he didn't know any better and I respect him for putting effort and doing the best he could given the imperfect conditions he was given. It is a much much better work than most of the Western occultism books on Tantra (especially at his time) which basically borrowed some ideas, never cared to properly understand them or put into context, and used the general hype for all things connected with Oriental esoterism to hide under the pedigree of an ancient system and give some legitimacy to their own failed teachings.

Far better entry-level book on Shaktism (and particularly that of Kalikula) would be Kali Kaula by Jan Fries, it isn't overly practical either and it has it's own set of faults as well, but it's written very cohesively and is easy to follow.

Btw that question would be more fitting in Tantra thread as it doesn't really pertain to Kundalini IMHO.

I am not a practitioner of 'Kundalini' but I am a practitioner of yoga for purely health reasons and intellectual curiosity.

I am ignorant as to what 'Kundalini actually is but I see that in this thread the OP has posted pictures of what I believe is called the "Sukhsana" yoga position which targets spinal muscles and the trapezius (upper neck) muscle.

Last night while I was sleeping after engaging in some (non-Christian) paganism, seeking such unchristian 'pagan' spirits, I had a dream concerning my life and upon awakening to the sound of hallucinatory police/ambulance sirens, I heard an electronic beep coming from my kitchen and then I felt my spine moving in the flow of a snake, like some sort of 'snakely' oscillatory movement.

Knowing that making the sign of the cross is said to ward off foul spirits, I made the sign of the cross and then started praying to Mary, mother of Jesus and the sensation ceased slowly.

It has not returned today.

The prayer I said to ward it off is called the "Hail, Holy Queen".

Not sure if the sensation was good or bad to be completely honest. I have heard from others that such sensations are bad, so that is what I assumed when the sensation began.

I also had a slight miniature heart attack earlier in the night, but by the time an ambulance arrived it had ceased and my body was back to normal. As far as I could tell the miniature heart attack was not spiritual in nature, seemed to be physical…. although certain spirits I attempt to commune with are also known to sometimes trigger such heart attacks, or so it is a vague traditional belief.

If the 'snakely' spinal sensation was not spiritual in nature or some sort of spiritual attack, I figured it may have been some sort of 'MKULTRA'-esque attack targeting those parts of my body through technology, possibly to scare or frighten me in lieu with the miniature heart attack experienced earlier that night. Because I was not able to determine whether or not it was spiritual or a technological attack, I wasn't troubled by it.

Earlier in my life, a person who I figured was an undercover agent had made a big deal of this 'snakely sensation, so I figured that it could have very easily not been spiritual in nature but a technological, possibly neurological attack to intimidate me……perhaps a tactic (((they))) use against Christians, since it would appear that the possible technological attack would seemingly also involve some sort of social engineering.

Definitely a fact in the matter is that this all occurred on the same night that I entered into a heavy dose of (non-Christian) pagan ritualism and (non-Christian) pagan spirituality.

"Sukhasana" Yoga Position

AKA, "Easy Seat" Yoga Position

>>102638

Thanks for sharing your story, I've got the utmost respect for Swamiji. Could you maybe (if you are still here of course) elaborate on the particular techniques you used?

Also,

http://www.ishwarashramtrust.com/mal.php

all issues of Malini journal, published with Swamiji's blessing.

>>109398

Just clench your anus mane.

>>110012

In my experience Christians (and often ex-Christians too) have all sorts of fear in their minds. Fears of committing some sin or transgression. These are often very firmly rooted, subconscious blockages that prevent you from going away from your established convictions. I believe that what you experienced what just this - your belief that you are doing something which is condemned by your faith manifesting in this way. People with no such beliefs do not usually have such experiences.

Anyway it also depends on what did you do exactly. Seeing how this is Kundalini thread I assume it had something to do with it?

>>110013

>>110014

Just do half-lotus, it's easy and you can work your way to full lotus if you want. The best asanas for meditation (according to very influential Goraksha-Paddhati and other hatha yoga sources) are siddhaasana (or siddhayoniasana) and padmaasana.

Reading the Hevajra Tantra at the moment, and it's being pretty explicitly clear for once on the topic of semen retention as required for spiritual pursuits, such as this "raising of the Kundalini" though of course they use different words for it. Many times it has been pointed out that one of the primary nadis, the Lalana Nadi, is of the nature of semen. Semen is also the phenomenal aspect of Bodhicitta, and Nairatmya herself, and must not be wasted.

This matches my own personal experience as well. While reflecting this morning I realized that the greatest experiences I've had in terms of meditation occurred only after long periods of sexual abstainment.

I doubt any of us here who are regularly blasting our Bodhicitta into socks are going to be doing any Kundalini raising at all.

>>118358

Ehh, Kundalini is much more complex subject than anyone think it is, and it's probably subject the most ridden with disinformation when it comes to Tantrik tradition. People don't have the slightest clue about Kundalini in it's original Hindu Tantra context and that's because almost all the teachings about Kundalini in the original tantras are still untranslated, so if you don't read Sanskrit (and are able to understand the cryptic yogic jargon) - it's better not to talk about such things as "raising Kundalini", or equating it with things from other systems of practice such as Candali/Tummo.

Here are some promising materials on Kundalini in it's original context, but I don't know yet the value of them since I'm unable to check them against scriptural sources or my own experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfICJXFnOro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyWrGQWSgfs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwzt9XtSq5Q

Other than that Swami Lakshmanjoo materials and Silburn's book are also of interest.

That being said - sexual abstinence is valuable (or indispensable, but I don't know about that) for any sort of spiritual progress. Nevertheless - Tantra is known for allowing laymen to pursue siddhis and liberation, if they follow Tantrik yoga and do sexual acts with correct mindset. On the other hand, Swami Lakshmanjoo spoke very highly of brahmacharya.

I think it depends on what you want to do. The great Western occult figures weren't really known for their celibacy. Crowley wasn't a very chaste man. Bardon's system doesn't require you to be celibate (Rawn Clark also stated that, given the the importance of balance in this system, sexuality is a part of a balanced magical lifestyle). You can still have a sex life and do magic or pursue siddhis, and if you are real about purely spiritual pursuits I'm confident that you can keep those things in balance as well and progress. On the other hand Nan Huai-Chin in his "Tao and longevity" implied (or stated out right, don't remember) that you can't have gains if you lose your jing, which is in keeping with Daoist tradition and transmutation of jing into chi.

Personally I think that you don't have to abandon anything on this path, but semen retention has many merits (if coupled with meditation, otherwise what's the point?). I "lose my jing" about two times a month, but I plan to go on longer periods of sexual abstinence in the future to see how it affects me, but so far I don't see sexual desire as an obstacle to my goals, make of that what you will. At times it can even be beneficial if you guys ever fapped on a sigil than you know that amirite? :^)

Some articles presenting strict "no sex allowed" mindset:

http://www.meditationexpert.com/yoga-kung-fu/y_the_problem_of_sex_and_spiritual_cultivation_kung-fu.htm

http://www.meditationexpert.com/yoga-kung-fu/y_sexual_desires_are_a%20problem_for_meditation.htm

https://www.meditationexpert.com/meditation-techniques/m_sexual_discipline_and_meditation.html

>>118365

>it's better not to talk about such things as "raising Kundalini", or equating it with things from other systems of practice such as Candali/Tummo

Fair enough, that's exactly what I was just doing there.

>Tantra is known for allowing laymen to pursue siddhis and liberation, if they follow Tantrik yoga and do sexual acts with correct mindset

This is the key here of course, the mindset. If you crave something then operating from this foundation of craving is incorrect for spiritual cultivation. I recall you pointing out in the tantra thread where one master was able to have sex and drink alcohol in ritual format due to the sole fact that he did not crave these things.

Being bound to ones desires = pasu = you need to unfuck yourself with the basics first.

>You can still have a sex life and do magic or pursue siddhis, and if you are real about purely spiritual pursuits I'm confident that you can keep those things in balance as well and progress. On the other hand Nan Huai-Chin in his "Tao and longevity" implied (or stated out right, don't remember) that you can't have gains if you lose your jing, which is in keeping with Daoist tradition and transmutation of jing into chi.

If my understanding is correct here, for the most part sex is irrelevant. You can fuck five times a day, every day, forever and still achieve full right and universal enlightenment. What matters is ejaculation and the wasting of ones vital energy. As the pages I screencapped above show, the Hevajra Tantra at least is pretty damn clear that you should not be ejaculating and should practice the retention of semen in the vast majority of circumstances anyways

>Personally I think that you don't have to abandon anything on this path

Nothing is ever abandoned or destroyed here, to do that would be denying a part of ourselves and damning our progress.

<One who, possessing desire, represses desire, is living a lie

Hatred, lust, desire and so on are all equally Brahman/Shiva/etc. and are a part of us. However with tantra we learn to transform these things into tools for usage on the Path, hence the classic metaphor of turning poison into ambrosia.

Nice links by the way, I'll check them out in the future. At the moment I'm still finishing up my second translation of the above mentioned tantra, and also dual-wielding "The Multi-Orgasmic Man" in order to help better conserve my vital fluid. About a month ago I got a girlfriend who is on birth control so I'm definitely gonna have to get the hang of this stuff before she drains all of my loosh.

>>118369

>You can fuck five times a day, every day, forever

>What matters is ejaculation

What I meant is that I believe that you can achieve enlightenment even if you ejaculate (not to mention that you can do pretty dope magical stuff even if you ejaculate daily). I recognize the value in retention of semen and I only allow myself to lose it a few times per month, nevertheless I wouldn't venture to guess that you can't achieve enlightenment if you ejaculate.

There are some Tantrik rituals, I mean "Tantric sex" proper, that use semen and menstrual fluid but they are for the highest class of practitioners only, nevertheless their usage shows that in their case ejaculation was permitted. At least in the context of the "secret ritual".

>This is the key here of course, the mindset

In Vijnanabhairava tantra there is a technique that describes the correct (from the Trika Kaula point of view anyway), non-dual, mindset that is to be upheld during the intercourse, there is no mention of an absence of ejaculation. There is stated a number of times in this tantra that being fully established in even one of the practices describes there brings one to the level of Supreme Consciousness. I gather from that, that in this context as well ejaculation is permitted and is not a hindrance to enlightenment. In cases of people who really can cultivate like that at least.

And don't get me wrong - I really value bramacharya and frequent no faps made a change for the better in my practice, but I don't plan on never ejaculating and I don't think that ejaculation stops someone dead in their tracks on the spiritual path. On the other hand my perspective might be a bit skewed, since I never practised for enlightenment.

But yeah, I think I'm nitpicking the details now and they are not that important.

<One who, possessing desire, represses desire, is living a lie

Nice! My religion is not deceiving myself.

I wish you and your girlfriend all the best!

>>118431

>Or do you think there are wonder women out there

They are just called women AFAIK.

All this talk about Tantra… better call saul:

http://hareesh.org/

Also, gem attached

>>118444

Ah, an indian I assume. My sincere concordances on your civilization becoming mongrelised.

>citation needed

https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability/