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Psychedelics lower your natural defenses if abused too much so I'd tell him to chill out on his chemical "enlightenment".

Book appears to be correct, the question I have is what is that author's approach to combating the situation? That is more important than being aware.

>no way to prove the book false

Maybe if you lack the basic essentials when it comes to argumentation of philosophical viewpoints in a logical manner. If you 'want' to believe it no matter what is told or proven to you then I suppose you are correct. If you 'want' to believe what makes sense, I would bet in favor of you dropping the viewpoint after thorough discussion.

>>83713

There's another book from Jose M. Herrou Aragons site called THE MYSTERY OF BELICENA VILLCA, which tells a world history told by some Argentinian mental hospital patient in the 1980's before he/she was killed.

My friend has read it and it tells about some kind of small round green stones that have the key to transcending to the next dimension.

http://theforbiddenreligion.com/otherbooks.htm

So my friend thinks now that there's no sense in this universe and you can't really be happy here because you can lose all the good things you have acquired or for example suddenly get kidnapped and tortured to death.

So the only purpose for life is to escape from the universe.

That's not far off from the truth, but did it explain WHY one would incarnate into the material world? Before deciding that one should leave this world 'cause it's bad' it would be a good idea to figure out how you got here in the first place

>>83715

Did not answer question at all…

>The only purpose for life is to escape from the universe

Very vague and sounds like this author is plagiarizing ideas with a shitty new age spin.

>>83712

OP, check out my thread, specifically the part that mentions heaven.

https://8ch.net/fringe/res/83387.html

it explains how all religions are wrong (only get a little bit right) and how God controls everything.

there is no satan or demiurge, or any bad guy. God is ultimate good, but we are in this bad universe (very much like a jail) and then we go to heaven (the real reality, the real perfect universe)

God talked to me, and told me what it's like. Please read my thread. I want you to know the truth. break your chains.

>>83735

The source of all that is, is neither good or bad. The space/time level of manifestation (3D material plane) isn't less real than any other level of manifestation like "heaven" (the astral plane, non material spiritual plane), nor is it more good or bad.

>>83770

No, you completely misunderstand.

>>83775

How so? If "god" is everything how can it be good when it is everything bad as well?

>>83777

you didn't read that thread, did you?

>>83778

It's a stream of taking things at face value.

>>83779

I don't think you have a single clue what in the world you are talking about. read the whole thread and give me a solid discussion or fuck off. you reek of shill.

gnosticism is a very loose term that encompasses everything from the belief that the material world is evil or illusiory and created as a punishment by and evil father god with jesus an embodiment of the true god sent to save us, to a mystical form of christianity which believes this physical life is a kind of test with jesus being an embodiment of god trying to show us how to complete the test.

if you read about gnosticism, youll find the main belief that separates it from 'standard' christianity is the belief that the old testement god is not the true god and is imperfect

and that there is a preeminent god who is perfect.

there is truth to this but it is much deeper, you see the gnostics had their own holy trinity.

this is the true holy trinity:

in the begining there was just a vast expanse of nothingness, containing nothing but the properties and mathematics intrinsic to the void. this is like the empty womb of mother nature.

a seed was planted in this womb and the seed grew into the universe.

you could say that the womb is god, or that seed planter is god, or the seed itself is god.

it doesnt matter because god is an imprecise term and in absolute reality all is one anyway.

but that is the true gnostic trinity. mother father child.

we as created human beings (as well as the rest of creation) are only one part of this trinity- god the child, and we are disconnected from our true nature, so when someone (like jesus) evolves to embody god the child completely we say they are the son of god.

>TL;DR the visible universe is a foetus in gods womb, were like the brain of that foetus.

>the big bang was god ejaculating into mother natures womb

>all of nature is gods child

>the universe isnt a trap, its a womb but we are experiencing 'developmental complications'

>jesus and other enlightened beings came to show us how to overcome these

>wanting to escape from this world is kind of dumb, once you leave you go straight back in

My friend is getting deeper into this delusion.

He thinks rationality is the product of this universe and the only way to discover the truth is to experience it like he did.

To him, the soul loves this universe and wants to stay here. One has to connect with the spirit and has ones body controlled with the spirit.

Right now he's trying to search for the "key" to escape this universe.

Basically he just believes all this.

I think he should buy a ticket to a 3rd world country ASAP.

>>83893

>>83855

>>83919

(Romans 1:3 says the Messiah is to be a descendant of David but how could jesus meet this requirement since Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph who was not his genetic father because of the Virgin Birth.

Also remember that both jesus and satan are referred to in the bible as the "morning star"

Basically the best advice I can give you is this:

>all religion is wrong

>all religion is designed to get in everyones way and tie them up with tedious obsessive busy work that accomplishes nothing and gets them nowhere (just like school jobs in this world)

>relgion also likes to trick people into thinking they need to go to a special building to worship God

>the bible and all religious texts are flawed and imperfect because human people wrote the bible and texts and human people are flawed and imperfect (many examples in the bible where both good and bad people had a chance to write/add things in while it wasn't done yet)

>the word of God doesn't come from the bible. everything here is a false idol including the bible, money, politicians, kings, presidents, and so on.

>the word of God comes straight from God and ONLY God.

so basically you should simply:

>love and believe in God and know that God is everywhere.

>try treat others how you want to be treated (we can only try our best)

remember people, I'm talking about the ONE and ONLY God here. the infinite, beyond infinite. eternal

I don't even like the jewish religion. but christianity is just judaism with jesus DLC

I'm saying that no religon gets it right here on earth, its all rigged because the content we have access to is only written by people who are imperfect in one way or another.

I'm not saying to leave one religion and join another, I'm saying to leave all religion and just love God.

not God + holyspirit + jesus man

JUST GOD, because everything else is a scam. and God doesn't even have to be God because the bible said that God is called that way, I'm saying the one and only God because God is GOD.

I'm talking about the one and only God, GOD of everything. just because the old testament says God doesn't mean that God is trapped in some religions book.

the bible isn't God. religion isn't God. the word of God doesn't come from a book people wrote, the word of God comes straight from GOD. the voice of pure truth and love. religion gets in the way. if obfuscates, it confuses, it creates unneccesary guilt, and extra fighting moreso than usual.

everyone in the entire world should definitely share books about religions and ideas and think deep critical thoughts and ask all the questions and come up with theories and everything, but the most important thing everyone should do is believe in and love the one and only God. you're there and there is just God. there is nothing in between. there is just love.

everyone will tell you this is wrong, or try to convert you to religion or another, but the truth is that you don't need excess limitations, you only need God.

>>84206

the techniques you describe sound reasonable.

for instance, the serrated knife thing sounds like a way to put your body into a naturally dominate mode, since violently assraping things is how many animals show dominance. by putting it in your mind, you may subconsciously take up a posture to make it happen.

>>83921

The word you wanted but explained in a few hundred words is Deism.

>>84233

I read up some stuff on deism and it's an overcomplicated load of crap in my personal opinion. I simply believe in God.

>>83920

You know I read through your post and it made no sense at all because of how often you repeat redundancies and misinterpret into things.

I await your 2edgy4me response.

>>83712

this is the way the world looks to those who are trapped in the matrix

>>83712

The gnostic perspective interests me but I think that the further you get from physical reality the more ordered existence becomes.

I don't honestly believe that earth is a prison, that's an outward expression of the trepidation we experience as physical beings in a less than ideal world.

The further you get from physical reality the less fucked up things inherently are.

>>84519

Hmmm, next time I can't convince some degenerate druggy to not do LSD, I'm going to demand he goes on a Hermeticism binge reading the Corpus Hermeticum and all the other hermetic texts both before and after his trip.

>>84519

There's nothing risky about LSD. The only people who say things like that are people who have never done it or people who have done it poorly.

>>84262

Which leads to the plebs getting an inter-personal Jesus God who grants wishes. There's nothing over complicated about Deism. You are to a Deistic "God" as a GTA V character is to the Rockstar Advanced Game Engine. Aquinas had the best interpretation of Deism if you want to read someone who was indoctrinated into Christianity.

>>83920

Kike spotted.

You forgot the part where he's in hell boiling in shit, Schlomo.

Any religion that wants you on your knees is eventually going to shove its dick in your mouth

>>84694

So you could say Kike = Denier of Christ

Which they are of course but in this sense symbolically so

>>84612

You realize Krist is an archetype and your Bible is a butchered plagiarism of Aryan myths by the Jews. Lucifer and Krist are actually one in the same.

>>84773

Explain how you experience God.

>>83855

This pretty much.

>>84773

Actually both Horus and Dionysus are strongly associated with a specific star that rises in the East.

I agree that Zeitgeist is bullshit but it's pretty obvious whoever made that image hasn't studied comparative religion themselves.

>>84773

>strawman image

Anyway, the Jesus described in the Bible is a composite and transplant of other events that actually happened. All the stories in the Old Testament however are 100% ripoffs. Kind of like how the Chinese made up 3000+ years of their history, LMAO.

This is not to say the Bible is bad, in fact there are a lot of esoteric truths to be gained. Just that certain details are corrupted/taken out of context. For example associating Lucifer with Satan.

I know you see me as an enemy but I am not. And you will agree once you know where to look.

Revelations 22:16

>"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12-14

>12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

>13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

>14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Both Christ and Lucifer are losers on this Earth, because this Earth belongs to Satan/The Demiurge. They are cut down ( crucified ) for their defiance and light-bringing ( Luci-Fer ).

You won't hear this stuff from your Church because most clergy are still under the spell of Judaism.

>>84800

>whoever made that image hasn't studied comparative religion themselves.

you know what they say what the thinker thinks, the prover proves

>>83712

The prison is in your mind maaaaaaan.

Seriously.

imperfect(incomplete) demiurge world is contained by the perfect(complete) world. Escaping the prison (aka acquiring gnosis) is seeing the whole thing, and belonging in the true world, which is right in front of you.

The demiurge world is created through culture, society, biology, and tradition. Overcoming the limitations placed on you through nature and nurture opens you to the limitless.

Well I just muscle tested it again and my body intelligence is saying yes, 350 is the highest consciousness a female can achieve. Now do you understand what patriarchy and female servitude was all about? Help me create paradise on Earth, children.

>>87078

>there are many literal (soul)traps along the way

like deriving power from looking down on females?

i'm pretty sure to achieve 350-500 one would have to come to terms with the side of them that they repress (feminine/masculine)

I'm almost 100% certain that if you look down on masculinity or femininity /active force or passive force, you're nowhere near the harmony level

>>87092

but how one could achieve the state of love and understanding between their feminine and masculine sides, if the act of understanding and acceptance in itself is feminine?

I just don't see how such operation could take place in the psyche. a method to achieve it would literally be the philosopher's stone.

>>87079

you're a fucking pretentious piece of shit

>>87102

The nature of the active/masculine/giving energy you're immersed in will cockblock you from deriving anything valuable from my post anyway, so you can as well save yourself from unnecessary dissonance and stop reading it at this point. However, there will come time in 2, 10, 20, or 40 years when the flames of this energy will burn out. Cooled, you'll be able to come back to this post and then read it without blockages on. Then it will be useful.

The blockages that you have right now are a very good thing in that they're stopping your energy from experiencing things that would cool it off. This way you have maximum energy and resources (although at the cost of being unable to see the whole picture).

So here it goes.

The passive/active forces permeate everything. We're both immersed in them. You can't understand and experience the whole picture (state of enlightenment) if you're just a part of the picture.

You're high on the masculine/active/giving energy. It's a sign of health and it's very good. However, it's not enlightenment - it's being the part of the picture.

This is not a feminist narrative. If you were looking down on men and encouraging enlightenment through passivity, I'd call you out all the same.

Yeah, I've read that book. One of the first books that I've read that could qualify as the more Gnostic viewpoints of the world.

I have the book the Green Face by his supposed Master Meyrink.

His suggestion of meditation and calling towards particular beings is quite dangerous sounding, he claims beings will inject a syrum into you via needle after numerous calls to them.

I disagree with him on the sole factor that he claims the angels are evil. I do not think the angels are evil, since I do assume he gathers his information from gnostic sources. In the Pistis Sophia the angels are not the evil ones, nor are they alluded to as so. There are other beings, of different, I guess, substance. Such as Adamas, The Tyrant. I assume Adamas is some allusion too Adam but I'm unsure.

I do believe he openly advocates the Left Hand path, I may be incorrect though. I read the book three years ago. I would be wary of anyone claiming to have the end to all answers. Most truths are too be sifted out, experienced, not just told outright at least in my experience.

>>83920

Are you into Kabbalah? I'd recommend checking out Rabbi's theories on Messiah Ben Joseph and Messiah Ben David. It correlates with the so called Gnostic viewpoints. The idea that Christ had a twin brother, one which was completely detached from the physical and one that was bound too it. (something along those lines.)

It's also interesting to note that Simon Magus claimed himself to be the Masculine Power of God and that Christ was his feminine counter part, just food for thought.

>>83713

My fat lazy greedy racist self centered napolean complex roommate just took a shit after eating and watching tv for 16 hours straight and its the most disgusting fucking thing I have ever smelled

>>84206

Dunno about that serrated knife trick.

Wouldn't work on me, I just ride that fucker till I split in half and channel the anger to attack you from two different directions.

Fighting a war on two fronts is a bad idea, IMO. Choose your target wisely.

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