did the world make us see or is it the other way round?

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did the world make us see or is it the other way round? 08/04/19 (Sun) 13:23:48 No.134477

We perceive concepts like "house, "dog", "the color yellow" and apply it to the world around us. If you removed the concept of "house" you'd be left with a stone square, but even "stone" and "square" are concepts that we apply to this reality, it doesn't have any differentiation between one set of atoms from another, one set of geometrical patterns from another.

It's a matrix that we ourselves apply to the world around us, it's not this world.

I always believed this matrix to be born out of evolution in this world. We developed the concept of "square" because it would be evolutionarily beneficial to recognize cubes from planes, we recognized different types of material because it would be evolutionarily beneficial to separate stone from dirt. Same for other concepts such as "shelter" and so on until more abstract concepts.

But lately I've been delving into more /fringe/ topics, and stumbled upon the opposite idea. What if this matrix we apply to the world, comes from outside this world?

That is, concepts such as "house", "dog", "the color yellow" are pre-existing on a higher plane (the astral, 4D etc.) and we're just applying these concepts to the world around us.

There exists a concept of "home", a concept of "geometric square", a concept of "solid material" outside of this world and it is us applying this higher system on a lower existence.

We might have (if you still believe in evolution) developed to perceive squares, but squares come from elsewhere, we're just filtering this meaningless world to perceive squares, which do not really "exist" in this world.

What does /fringe/ think? It's a bit autistic but I hope I explained it properly, it's been bugging me for so long.

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08/04/19 (Sun) 15:05:40 No.134481

>>134477

What do you mean? Animals can see and differentiate shapes and sounds fine without needing "concepts".

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08/04/19 (Sun) 15:17:28 No.134482

>>134481

No, animals use concepts as well.

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08/04/19 (Sun) 15:18:38 No.134483

https://philosophynow.org/issues/90/Plato_A_Theory_of_Forms

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08/04/19 (Sun) 17:19:31 No.134492

>>134483

Kind of similar but that's not it.

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08/04/19 (Sun) 17:29:01 No.134494

>>134492

The idea that as we recognize ideal forms, ie squares and circles, we are remembering/accessing information from the ideal realms.

As said, technically there isn't even such a thing as a circle or square in the objective physical world as atoms just don't work like that…

>>134482

>>134481

Do they? Seems more like they see pretty colors and can recognize a base pattern of behaviors that can lead them to rewards. The most simplest form of pattern recognition as created in the circuity of the brain through reward molecules like dopamine and etc. As in this is entirely a subconscious phenomena, absolute minimal consciousness is required to run the circuit often times.

I mean crystals are conscious as well, they just don't have circuits with direct physical impact, but there does seem to be an input output for gemstones in terms of etheric energy

I think some animals are really smart though, like maybe cats.

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08/04/19 (Sun) 17:39:17 No.134497

>>134494

>more like they see pretty colors and can recognize a base pattern of behaviors that can lead them to rewards.

I say this because it reminds of being high as fuck, in all the different ways drugs can get you high.

Animals are obviously just permanently high as fuck, like babies.

Once you figure out shit, it get's real depressing.

That's why God was mad at Satan for telling us that we are naked and to put on some clothes. Ideals were forbidden knowledge up until that point

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08/04/19 (Sun) 18:16:33 No.134499

>>134494

>objective physical world

>implying it is

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08/04/19 (Sun) 18:21:35 No.134501

>>134499

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_field_theory

Sure the notion of physical phenomena breaks down somewhere, but I will still call the fundamental mechanisms of the objective reality that results in our physical phenomena, as physicality. Perhaps simply for a lack of a better term. What other term can be used with respect to objectivity?

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