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Beat me to it

So if emotional energy is what makes magic work, how does energy work and chakra work make magic faster and stronger?

Can anyone help me with essential meaning? Thanks in advance

What causes someone to, at first, only raise their body temperature mentally, then, at last, to instantly set tissue paper ablaze?

>>103019

>So if emotional energy is what makes magic work,

Energy is desire/emotion. Emotional energy is a redundancy.

>how does energy work and chakra work make magic faster and stronger?

Energy work as described by Robert Bruce is a way of training yourself to focus on parts of the body in various ways, including sweeps, vortexs, etc. various motions which you trace your awareness along. Then you just program the body by intent. As for chakras, each one is held to be a gateway for various attributes, and working on them means transforming these aspects of the self. Your question is weird. What do you mean "make magic faster and stronger"? Magic is just the general study or process by which we manifest our will in the universe. A person who is mentally stronger than another, who has cultivated their mind-body, is more capable in using his various faculties to influence the universe.

>What causes someone to, at first, only raise their body temperature mentally, then, at last, to instantly set tissue paper ablaze?

Just increase the activity/vibrations in the body and body temperature raises. There's a lot of ways to mentally raise the body temperature. I personally have a bad habit though of burning myself doing these meditations and seriously need some input on how to do tumo without burning my skin getting red rashes all over and even causing skin to flake off as if I got a sunburn. I somehow need to figure out some method to not fucking burn my own body doing this. Maybe I should focus more on generation of electricity and pushing the electricity out of the body to heat things up or maybe I should try more to raise the heat in an area outside of my body without ever having heat in my body to begin with.

Anyways, go read Initiation Into Hermetics and the related study material (Seila Orienta's Notes and Rawn Clark's) you'll be doing this kind of stuff before long.

>>103024

Holy shit Sm*l*y, I think you might be close to adepthood! So, how would you go about attaining instant physical manifestation on the physical? Is it possible?

>>103024

Well Metal is the element Fire destroys in TCM, and it's associated with skin, so maybe work on the Metal element? Earth generates Metal, for reference, and Metal generates Water (TCM).

Focusing on heating something outside the body would likely have the dual purpose of learning how to mitigate heat and move it away from the body as well.

Or you could learn how to cool your body down to some freezing temperatures, so as to better summon cooler temperatures when needed.

>>103024

Honestly it seems like your Earth element is off. You could say that your Fire isn't mixing with Water in the skin. Earth development probably best; Don't work on basics all of the time, that goes against the mixing and blending of Earth, with all of its complexities. Risk failure in the more advanced and unexplainable techniques that exist. Heating things outside of the body is a great beginning.

I'm switching to the Water element. It reflects my nature better.

I have begun reading and practicing the IIH. In Step 1 of Magic Mental Training, it says to "follow a train of thought", but none of my thoughts go on their own. Do I just think deeply about something specific, as in, take this as an opportunity to contemplate? Or do I just move on since I don't require greater thought control than I already possess?

I'd like to go through all the books people refer to on here so as to build rapport with /fringe/ and have a solid reference point to discuss these things with you guys (and others, since they're popular books in the entire occult community). Also I'd like to review them, possibly add an accompaniment, and discern the nature of these subjects via their effectiveness and translatability (if I can do something from another book the Hermetic way, then they have an overlapping reality model. If I have to make great internal shifts to get it to work, then they rely on very different reality models.)

Plus there has to be a greater sense of community if we wish to alchemize a higher quality version of said community (have to have experienced community to know how to make a better one).

Seeing each other's paths in progression would surely benefit us all.

>>103048

>none of my thoughts go on their own

That's what train of thoughts mean, the first exercise is literally just stepping back and watching your thoughts flow. Unless you're referring to the mental discipline practice

Have any of you figured out consciousness transference?

How do I meditate my way into being the apple in front of me or my object of meditation?

What's the secret?

>>103059

It's a mental thing, just think it vividly, and it is so. Speaking of this, how do you reach the essential meaning?

>>103060

I can't believe that's it. Am I not supposed to feel bi-located in some way?

I'm sure that's how it must be, but there has to be a formula I'm missing because all I can do is imagine I'm feeling from the obkect, not actually doing it.

This combined with elemental breathing is KEY to my development right now.

What is energy? If energywork is just grinding awareness, then wtf is the energybody? I am confuse

What is bipolar disorder from a /fringe/ perspective?

>>103067

The swing of the pendulum. Principle of Rhythm described in the Kybalion.

>>103067

Swingin with the internal rhytm without ever dodging the pendulum of emotions.

That just my two cents

>>103068

It appears we have created an echo chamber. 21th century schizoid men in duty.

T: >>103069

>>103068

>>103069

Now how would I put that to someone who's never heard of the Kybalion, let alone read it?

Mastering the Akasha principle - format inspired by Sm*lefu

The Akashic principle is the raw, unpolarized prima materia that encompasses all of creation. This Akasha, or ether, is both completely absent in any pure state in the lower planes, and yet, all encompassing. The ether is first split and polarized between yin, and yang. Then, the yin and yang combine in different proportions, more yin creating "cold magnetism", more yang creating "hot radiance". Combining these two conglomerants creates space, "air", basically a platform in which for fire and water to interact. The non-abstract reacting of fire and water, in the medium of air, creates physical materia, "Earth". All physical matter you see before you is made and governed by these four elemental attributes. When meditating on the Akasha, one's goal is to gain a perfect understanding of the Akasha, "What one understands, he controls.". The reason Bardon says that one requires a perfect elemental balance to find the true Akasha, is that, if one is predominantly biased in one element in particular, when they look to the essential root behind all elements, they will find a distinct bias towards their unbalanced, dominant element, effectively cultivating said element, thus failing to reap the true Akashic principle

>>103072

You don't, fuck n'orcs and their bluepill lives

>>103064

Like I said, its an astra-mental thing. If you feel bi-located in any way, it should be in your mind's sensory. Ideally you want to completely tune out of your physical feelings, only feeling what you do in the mental sphere, if you literally feel like you're in two places at once physically (aka physical bi-location) , than congratulations, your an adept, but that's probably not the case

Anyone into serious energy work here? I need help please.

I had some life experiences that gave me many hardships. To cope with it I had to cut all my emotional and physical harmony and force my way like a man.

The problems were solved but what remained of me was a tensed up and totally "burnt out" person. My whole body was overflowing with Yang energy - I felt hot and tense. Of course to be too much on the Yang side also means a serious leak of qi energy.

I have recovered a bit (in the last 10 months ffs) but I'm still too Yang. Whenever I stop consciously relaxing, I tense up again and feel the body getting hotter.

I need some serious Yin meditation practice that just fucking works. I'm not sure what happened because I was in total harmony before the events and had an abundance of Yin but now switched to this Yang shit which is beneficial only for mundane stuff.

I've read up on qigong but it's a painful trial and error way to master alone. I doubt to find a serious teacher here where I live.

Please help me fix this brothers

>>103079

Sounds like you need a major lifestyle change.

>Horse-stance every night, in front of moon

>eat yin foods, natural veggies, distilled water, light and cold shit

>invoke water and Earth

>focus on frontal energy channels

>breathe in more yin focused energy

Das all I got G, gud lucc

How do I learn to concentrate? I want that real samurai laser-like focus type of shit in daily life. I want to be able to sit down and direct my attention to something for 4 hours in a row without getting distracted.

Basically adderall-like effects without having to take any drugs.

>>103080

>Horse-stance every night, in front of moon

You see, I only got into the whole trouble because I had to take up a job where I had to work at night. It happened throughout the winter - so to battle the cold and the very stressful working conditions, I raised a lot of Yang energy. I quit the job later but the Yang tension stayed. Fuck that, I tense up at night involuntarily.

>eat yin foods, natural veggies, distilled water, light and cold shit

I feel like enery heavy foods help me better otherwise I start using up my qi to cover the "energy bill" - which is abnormally high

>invoke water and Earth

It kinda helps but why does it require so much concentration? before all this shit I used to be predominant in these elements but now I'm just fucking burning.

>focus on frontal energy channels

Because I started out as a noob, I had to learn this the hard way first. It seems that at some times frontal energy healped me relax and at other times backside channels worked out. Fuck, it felt like the whole channels switched - at the worst time it was more frequent. Now it slowed down and almost halted. I do get better but my yang bias is still way too strong compared to before the happenings

>breathe in more yin focused energy

pls explain this one, I'm not aware of the prana being split in yin and yang

>>103078

I want to get to that level. I can do that mentally already. How do I step it up?

Thank you

>>103080

Oh btw, I changed my lifestyle to a great extend already and it was beneficial ofc but regenration is still so slow

>>103083

Lay there for awhile, let your body fall asleep. Git gud at concentrating, and rub your astra-mental hands together, focus on that frictional warmth, then focus on the rest of the astra-mental feelings one at a time, the two, then three, then all. Eventually you want to get to the point to where you just feel your mental senses naturally, while in trance of course.

>>103084

Good job then nigga, its all down hill from there

>>103086

I'm not sure what you mean

>>103087

Once you change your lifestyle for the better, its hard to change it back for the worse. Its all down hill, this is the easy part

>>103089

> Once you change your lifestyle for the better, its hard to change it back for the worse

As you can see I suffer a great extent because I had to pick a worse lifestyle due to little choice - or rather I made the foolish attempt to clinge to the mundane world.

Fuck it makes me angry.

So I have this problem where my body is almost constantly in pain due to kundalini and this has been going for some months now. Anytime I lay down on my back my legs twitch alot. How can I get the pain to stop? I know meditation and diet are a part of it but what else can I do to ease the process?

>>103081

Practice, sit down and concentrate on something. Keep doing this until you git gud

Even something as simple as reading can boost your long term concentration ability

>>103093

How did you get kundalini?

>>103096

If The All didn't like it, it wouldn't happen.

Imagine vividly that she likes you. Act like you've already fucked her

>>103079

Day dream about cute kind girls doing cute kind things until you feel warm soft feelings, then melt. Whatever yin is most compatible, day dream about it until you soften up.

You can also magnetize and bless water with a single intention, such as "Love and Life"; same with food and air. Then forget about it and just drink, eat, breath with a sense of tranquility (raging tranquility).

>>103098

does it matter if the person I like is the same sex? femanon asking

>>103100

As amoral as seducing a person in real life. Don't use any outside powers to force it and don't try to break her will/mind and you're fine.

>>103104

If you can pull it off, her higher self allowed. Its not breaking her "will". Believe me, if she really didn't want it, you couldn't do it

Anyone here master electricity? The electric fluid? I tend to swing between magnetic and electric. I've gone pretty deep on the magnetic end lately, for the purpose of metaphysical perception to prelude my jump into the existing body of knowledge. Want to return to the hyper-electric pole to make the best use of my conscious.

I've JUST started reading the /fringe/ library. I have experience/knowledge in the whole direction of "on the fringe" studies, but the actual stuff in here is gold. I have always heard of auto-suggestion, animal magnetism, psychic power, etc and etc but just had no interest in taming my sub-conscious beyond pure willpower, strength and self-confidence. In regards to that, I would actually fuck myself over on purpose sub-consciously in order to give my conscious a greater "training stimulus".

In that respect I've probably gotten quite a buff "Will Bod", but this shit is just so much fucking easier. Fuck. What the fuck. DOMINATING the SUB-conscious (heh) is so much.

William Atkinson is dope. IIH is looking dope.

So anyone especially advanced in bioelectricity, electricity, electric fluids, etc?

(Switching to Fire)

>>103105

Bullshit. I don't care what I read, if you can do random shit to people on the physical, you can psychically.

What you're talking about is just a convenient thing monkeys tell themselves so they don't have to consider the repercussions of their actions and they can do magic without a single shred of doubt or hesitation. "Greasing the wheels." It's for one's own comfort, because we're all subject to the human condition of empathy, fear, worry, etcetera. Having to figure out the exact cause and effect of our magics is counter-productive to effective utilization of "magic" in the short-term sense, so we create half-truths to hold us at night.

Sure, they're just thoughts, and people can often take care of themselves, but it's more like taking advantage of a child who has no idea what's happening except, "hehe I feel funny."

I will suck the fun right out of magic for the sake of ethical considerations.

>>103065

It's just yourself. Feel your hand, this is feeling the energy of your hand. Smelling a plant is smelling the energy. It's the "isness".

Don't overthink it or think that it's beyond or more than you can handle.

Energy body is your body when feeling it compared to the anatomical body of bones, ligaments, arteries, etc.

>>103059

First start with holding objects like tools. Feel their spacial size and then weight. Move them around and feel the sensations of how it interacts with the air. Next start to overlay a basic geometrical version(mentally) of the object on it. Once you've picked something up and played around with it put it down and remember the basics of the object. Apply it while looking at it as an overlay.

This should get you going.

>>103107

Okay, allow me to explain this on simpler terms. Her higher self, her divine will, allows whatever happens to her. You cannot break her "will" because her will has god-like powers. Whatever works, is good. Franz Bardon outright says that if magic isn't used in only pure (not completely pointless) intentions break through

>>103106

IIH talks about the electromagnetic fluid. Its pretty advanced though

>>103113

I'll just wait until I complete the Steps. Until then, positivity and happiness. I realized my Neanderthal depression was causing my chin to recede, mouth to turn meek, forehead to slope, mind slowly decay and wither and die, and motivation to live suffocate.

Fucking Earth and Water. We'll see the results in the recovery however…

>>103112

I'm talking about if she used a spirit or a 'god' to do it; unreasonable summonings, contracts, rituals, 'hexes', the sort of thing that guarantees the result.

Otherwise it's just a natural mental suggestion. Unless she's sufficiently trained…

But either way it's a matter of relative powers. The "higher self" isn't a guardian angel from all bad things. Incredibly unreasonable things happen for the basic reason that no one is tending the light at the end of the tunnel. It's all a matter of indifferent physical laws, and partial individuals who thankfully choose to be kind and empathetic some times, with plenty cruel souls in the mix.

If we start thinking that there's no danger in what we do, that we can wave a gun at people and it won't accidentally kill someone, that we can drive drunk because "only people who should die will die", then we're falling far from the truth.

Goodwill is a soft force, an influence, not an absolute. There's no all-powerful aspect of myself, there's just a powerful aspect that needs the mind and body to be in growing affinity to said will in order to become relatively more powerful, wise, loving and righteous.

These people who teach you things like mental suggestion aren't wise gods, they're human beings who make fatal mistakes and speak dangerous lies amongst the quality truths. If they told you, "It's dangerous be careful; don't harm others" they wouldn't have the same sale numbers. Their all-high image would be tainted with the public's fear of their power, and the danger of their teachings. You want to look like a badass with a gun, not a dumbass who shot himself in the foot. But that's what it is.

Working mental suggestion on others could even have profoundly negative psychological consequences for them down the road. Their mental defenses could slowly erode over the years from being seriously compromised just ONCE, we honestly don't know because there's no methodical empirical study of these possibilities.

Power carries the weight of responsibility. Use it with care and consideration. No one has their hands on the wheel.

>>103119

That's very true, I'll keep that in mind

>>103096

I see nobody has given you the actual key for manipulating the will of others. None of the advise people have given you so far will work unless she already wants to fuck you.

Which is a good thing. I don't think you should do this if she doesn't like you because you'll just end up forcing things and causing suffering when her will prevails in the end.

>>103111

Thank you. I'll start praticing at once. Incidentally, a pathworking I'm following told me to do just that today as part of meditation training. Totally unrelated but perfectly aligned with my goals. Feels good!

>>103123

Thank you for being reasonable.

How do I get past my three hour per book reading barrier?

also any techniques to expand peripheral vision for reading

>>103126

Just familiarize yourself to writing (language) conventions and you'll read the same way you unconciously string letters on the keyboard into words.

It's a matter of acquisition of conventions.

It's like manual labor. Either you use your body intelligently and work less while getting more done, or you struggle the entire time. Same with the mind/thought-force/will.

So if you're trying to succeed in something irrational in your life, you'll struggle more in rational achievements. These are usually considered passions, 'emotions', desire, ideals, people (social), aesthetics, and desire. Sometimes these words are used for extremely rational things, given limited knowledge of vocabulary or the importance of strict word definition.

Once one has recognized the existential need of self-definition to reflect the existential facts, they go away with needless uncertainties, irrationalities, and profoundly misinformed activities.

My point being to put yourself in the mental company of thinkers, scholars, and the self-willed. Astral, Mental, Memetic, all of it. Learn to stand at the thresholds and keep the door open. A gatekeeper. Then your mind will be more nimble and comprehending.

>>103128

>>103126

I assume you were asking how to have more mental stamina, right?

I probably could have just said, "Avoid mentally taxing thoughts and people; which includes e-motionally taxing."

My bad

What are nightmares? Are they real?

I suspect I may be an energy vampire. What can I do to stop being one?

>>103124

>>103119

>>103104

Welll after reading what they said i'm not sure if i will try it anymore cause i don't want to hurt anyone but i guess that i've learned that mental seduction essential only works if they already like you which seems like a waste.

What if it wasn't for sex? if i try to seduce her into letting me go down on her is that as damaging as full on sex? I'm just trying to give her an orgasm not corrupt her mind/ fall in love with me.

>>103134

Nightmares are bad trips in your own subjective part of the astral

>>103099

>Day dream about cute kind girls doing cute kind things

Ironically, I've been doing something similar since 3 days now.

I also noticed a preference shift away from hardcore porn towars soft erotic photography - when I was full Yang all I watched is the most hardcore fucking **yeah I'm still watching porn as opposed to some people here, i don't really care tbh

>>103139

There is a simple ritual that can get you to manipulate their will into getting them to do what you want. But it won't last long, and will bring you nothing but pain.

If you are nothing without the suit, you shouldn't have it.

Does anybody know what feeling 47 and feeling 666 is?

Is this for real?

https://youtu.be/5IkcmJ_hHB4

Anons with experience in this, please respond.

>>103153

Yeah, probably

watch this: https://youtu.be/R3NscmjPszs

>>103091

its on google

>>103156

I hope being virgin is not a requirement. I would hate to regret losing my virginity after it took me so much effort.

Damn Russians though.

So, I've been reading a good bit of Peter Carroll and I have a few questions about some of the things he talks about.

The first concerns the Augoeides. What would happen if you purposefully go against what you determine to be the will of your HGA? I don't mean a false identification, but an actual understanding of ones "true will" which is ignored or acted against. Would it cause the same insanity that a false identification would? Would it cause bodily harm?

The second quesiton refers to something that is spoken about in Liber Kaos, which is the nature of Blue Magic. I am creating a servitor to bring me money, and nice and expensive things. It is charged primarily through the spending of money, and through giving away or trading things that are valuable to you. Do you think this has potential to work?

>>103160

Don't worry, this guy's clearly a mundane hikki who doesn't even energywork. He probably jacks off too, Korny is a chemical alchemist, he probably thinks virginity is some holy thing that grants powers. It doesn't, the truth is, semen boosts energybody power, bioelectricity

>>103136

When you are around other people visualize how the energy flows to and from you and to and from them. If you can do this and you notice that you are actually taking energy from others, than the key to stopping it is to just cut that connection you are making with the other person. Learn how it feels to NOT be siphoning energy and soon it will become second nature to be in that state. Just be aware of yourself and your energy

Of course since you are stealing energy from others this most likely means that for some reason you have (or think you have) an energy deficiency, and you will need to find a way to fix that problem.

What was that which you just said about me, my friend? I think you ought to know that I have completed my time as a novice-monk, and I've passed through the Gateless Gate, and I've lived for over 300 cycles of rebirth. I am trained in anapanasati and I'm the most senior bhikkhuni in my local sangha. You are nothing to me but just another human being worthy of dignity and respect. I will have compassion upon you with loving-kindness the likes of which has never been seen before in the Cycle of Samsara - you would do well to remember these words. Do you believe that you can say these things and still escape the principle of dependent origination? Perhaps you should reexamine those beliefs, brother. As we speak I am contemplating the importance of accepting your words with detachment and equanimity, so, without malice, I advise you to prepare for the storm, young one. The storm of suffering that afflicts all living creatures in this world. You are trapped in a cycle of death and rebirth, child. Not only am I extensively trained in the Mahayana Tripitaka, but I have access to the entire Pali canon as well, and I will use its teachings to their full extent to help alleviate the suffering within you which causes you to say hurtful things about others. You could reach Nirvana anywhere, any time, and I can help you achieve enlightenment in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with the study of Koan. If only you could understand what evil karma these words of yours would sow, perhaps you would have had the wisdom to keep silent. Nevertheless, this was beyond what you have been prepared for, and so I promise that I will do my best to ease the suffering that you have brought upon yourself. I will teach you the path of the Bodhisattva and you will revel in it. Your suffering may yet reach its end, child.

>>103166

What the darn-diddily-doodily did you just say about me, you little witcharooney? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at Springfield Bible College, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret mission trips in Capital City, and I have over 300 confirmed baptisms. I am trained in the Old Testament and I’m the top converter in the entire church mission group. You are nothing to me but just another heathen. I will cast your sins out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in Heaven, mark my diddily-iddilly words. You think you can get away with saying that blasphemy to me over the Internet? Think again, friendarino. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of evangelists across Springfield and your IP is being traced by God right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggorino. The storm that wipes out the diddily little thing you call your life of sin. You’re going to Church, kiddily-widdily. Jesus can be anywhere, anytime, and he can turn you to the Gospel in over infinity ways, and that’s just with his bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in preaching to nonbelievers, but I have access to the entire dang- diddily Bible collection of the Springfield Bible College and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your sins away off the face of the continent, you diddily-doo satan-worshipper. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you from the Heavens, maybe you would have held your darn-diddily-fundgearoo tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re clean of all your sins, you widdillo-skiddily neighborino. I will sing hymns of praise all over you and you will drown in the love of Christ. You’re farn-foodily- flank-fiddily reborn, kiddo-diddily.

>>103161

bumping this because the shitposting will probably prevent it from being seen

>>103176

Reading The Kybalion and Initiation Into Hermetics

>>103136

Stop being a woman.

No but seriously, focus on the Earth element, being less water/fire.

It is my theory that water and fire are female, and that earth and air is male, based on the IIH which states that woman are water in water in the low navel, fire in fire in the head, while men are water/fire both in both, which points to the stronger air element, which points to a stronger earth element; water and fire in close proximity with extra air to sustain it is the recipe for Earth.

Earth locks in your energy. Strengthens your conscience. Makes it so you ALWAYS have the energy you need. Water and Fire are too changeable to be reliable, can be taken or given in excess, imbalanced. Fluids can be poured out or sucked in, but dirt requires a hard bite and chew; you'll know when it's happening and when it isn't, and have much more opportunity not to do it.

Decrease your raw elementalism and increase your carefully constructed body, mind and soul. Earth + Metal (TCM element).

For some reason I remember reading somewhere in one of these books that you shouldn't try to make more than one thing manifest at a time. Does anyone know anything about that being the case? There are multiple things that I feel need my mental attention right now. I don't see why you couldn't focus on multiple things, considering the nature of thoughtforms, but I don't know if they'd all be weaker for it or something.

>>103186

>but I don't know if they'd all be weaker for it or something

That's it. It's akin to the "The man who chases two rabbits, catches neither" meme.

>>103186

Well like most people, you don't understand the nature of power.

Study power. No, worship power. Any reason not to can be your religion.

>>103176

>¿What's the next step in the magic highway?

Lots and lots of reading, do what calls out to you

>>103188

>The man who chases two rabbits, catches neither

Yeah, that was what I was thinking of. So what if I just spent more time on them? If every thought we have affects our lives on the other planes, I don't get why focusing your will on multiple things at different times throughout the day would cause either to become weaker. Say you spend 20 minutes visualizing wealth and 20 minutes visualizing social success each day, or you spend 20 minutes visualizing wealth until you have as much wealth as you want and then you start spending 20 minutes per day visualizing social success. Why would they not work the same based on the nature of thoughtforms? I'd get it if it were in regards to blessing food, since you'd have to eat twice the food to have enough opportunity, but if we're constantly messing with thoughtforms 24/7 then I don't see why trying to create more than one wouldn't work properly.

>>103190

>Study power. No, worship power. Any reason not to can be your religion.

What does any of that mean? I wish fringechan would come back and be a buffer between this board and all of these vague nonsense posts that don't help anyone. Maybe then I'd actually come to this board more than once a month.

>>103193

If I were you I would cast several sigils (a "shoal" of related sigils) and forget about them completely.

Then six months later go back to your notes and see what has manifested and what hasn't, analyze the ritual and statement of intent of the sigils to see if they were flawed somehow and iterate. But don't use the very same sigils more than once. In fact, don't draw them on your notes, just the statements.

And stop overthinking this stuff. You can do visualizations for as many things as you want, but getting one to manifest is hard enough Experiment on your own and see what works for you. Keep notes.

I wish fringechan would come back, too, but my impression was the opposite, that this is where bullshit stayed and that was the good stuff ended up.

If anyone has a good idea for a summer website project I'm up for it.

>>103193

If you're confident you can pull it off don't let us stop you. Experience is the best teacher after all. GL

>>103195

That sounds like an interesting experiment. I don't tend to use sigils much but I might actually give it a go. Maybe I should contribute something to this board that I've taken so much information from.

>>103199

I agree about experience being the best teacher, but even if logic tells me it would work, multiple authors say it won't, so it makes me wonder why they would say that.

Holy shit this board is dead

>>103254

Not really, there's lots of new posts every day. If you expect blazing fast shitposting like on /b/ or /pol/ then I guess it's "dead" but if you're actually seriously studying, going through links, etc. it's fast af.

>>103256

I don't know, but I've been in their chat before and its pure shit. Sigilposter neophytes, "Is creepypasta magic", literal fucking women. I'd say its a bot posting the links, but I don't know if these guys have the neurons for a bot

>>103259

>literal fucking women

>its pure shit. Sigilposter neophytes

Judging by your bilious disposition I'd say you are not much farther along than a neophyte yourself.

Here, I bring you some content you can masturbate to:

http://womenrulingtheworld.blogspot.com.es/

Have fun!

hehe

>>103265

>women

>not notorious for their complete inability to oversee business, nations, expeditions, and anything else without fucking up completely

>>103256

Wow man let me just say that I appreciate the job you're doing. If you want, I'll bitcoin you some creds to get yourself an iced green sometime, no joke.

By the way, I really, really need to browse fringe with IDs turned on, so if we could work out some kind of a system where I ask you to ID some guy and you email me a list of which posts he made in the same thread, I could perhaps bitcoin you a small sum, enough for an iced green tea, a 10ml bottle of essential oils, a pack of incense sticks or something under else $3. Have a think about it, let me know if you're hot or cold on it and I'll give you a burner email you can get me on.

>>103271

You're gonna have to try harder than that (((Moshe))), Sm*ley's too based

>>103270

i would add making social circles a toxic ego zone.

if the female is negatively laid

>>103193

I mean that there are books that are studies on the nature of power, such as books by powerful people; meditations by war generals, warriors, kings, etc.

By reading these it will serve a dual purpose: Mundanely you'll understand how to succeed, lead, achieve, overpower, overcome, or whatever else you seek (depends on how you decide your library of books).

Magically, you'll understand that these things, that 'laws of power', translate principally into 'laws of magical power'.

Let me give you a hint then: If you want social success and wealth, then you'll have to try harder. If we limit you to 40 minutes, 20 minutes each, you can sustain greater discomfort and willpower for greater results (as in training high intensity vs low), and you will quickly gain the ability to MAGIC these things, as your body will learn that these things matter to you, your brain will learn these things matter to you, and your sub-conscious will be working overtime to make it happen.

It's like someone who wants to biomutate or transform some body part. They writhe in agony on the ground trying to go werewolf or they can sit calmly and just pray for it.

Who is going to succeed first? The guy whose mind is blacking out in a storm of unconscious activity.

Wait, that's both of them.

Wait, if it's the same thing in both, then what's different?

Power. (agony guy wins the race)

Other people would say that this isn't the method, that relaxed and calm is, but this is a misconception (BEEP BEEP NEOPHYTE BS DETECTED - don't listen to me I know nothing) because they don't realize that they believe this because it exhausts one's power for a while after. You are temporarily weakened. When I try to force a massive element gain I can't repeat the same tactile and visual phenomena without it getting weaker, or me needing to exert myself more to get the same results.

But here's the thing: Every perceived limit that one's willpower, body, mind can go are false. They're merely gateways into something greater. One sheds weakness passing through the Eye of the Needle. The pain itself is the passage into greater power.

SO you have to do this as a warrior would fighting a bear, or a 7 ft icelandic giant blood barbarian. If you're not in agony for those 40 minuets then you'll receive less success.

Once you've had great results, economize by getting the same results with much less effort (calm and collected).

____

So I was focusing on the Earth and Metal (and some Water/Fire since I have a shit ton of Air, a lot of Fire, and average Water) element, and have been having massive pains in my upper rib cage from everything forcefully stretching themselves outward. Similar thing happening to my elbow. I felt the tingly sensations of my arm waking up (vitalization) despite not being numb/asleep (i suppose in a general long-term sense i am) and I moved the energy further down my arm, past my elbow… then I would get random extreme weakness and contractive pain in the elbow thereafter.

I understood this as meaning that my tendons are loosening gradually and want to move into a more efficient arrangement.

They in fact did and are. I was laying down when it start contracting AHHHHHH and slowly shifting like tectonic plates into another arrangement. I tried relaxing and allowing it to happen, but got too worried and so only made a minor improvement on my elbows. Awesome.

Well, now it's the chest region, all the chest ribs, shit around my heart, all of it. I'm going with some Wind element right now out of weakness of character, but I'm thinking that if I keep going with Earth/Metal I will grow a huge fucking shoulder girdle. Fuck it hurts. My neck is tight, shoulders tight, everything is tight and still pushing against eachother. Kind of awesome.

Anyone know what I'm talking about? Air = Wood = Tendons in TCM, and Metal has the largest shoulder width and strong look amongst body types (they look like weight lifters without lifting).

Even my consciousness and mind have been feeling it. Fuck. The tendons of my mind are miserable from all my faculties pushing against each other like a Greek Democracy. I think I might get ripped and my IQ triple just from this experience. Fuck yeah Earth/Metal.

So if anyone has any experiences with strong physical responses to elements let me know.

Oh, and I keep getting sharp painful contractions in my lungs, eyes, and growing pressure on the heart. But they all feel stronger now too.

This has all been going on for a few years now, according to my BaZi I was born with the energetic impression of 0% Metal and 4% Earth (20% is balanced). I've been feeling like I'm slowly dying from growing clarity and strength. Death of the original qi impression I guess. Oh my, Oh MY are things a'changin'.

>>103287

>will I become particularly youthful and long-lived?

No, you'll need to control your Qi for that. The things you mentioned will make things easier though by removing energy fluctuations caused by these things.

>>103288

"been going on for a few years now" – and is now accelerating from direct element work vs passive elemental changes (Metal is most prevalent in Adulthood, and I'm in my 20's).

>>103288

>Oh, and I keep getting sharp painful contractions in my lungs, eyes, and growing pressure on the heart. But they all feel stronger now too.

>I've been feeling like I'm slowly dying from growing clarity and strength

Be careful. Sounds like the stuff that I had gotten myself into.

I assume that you hold the air in your lungs too much and do forced breathing.

I'm telling you not to overdo it - if you already feel a kinda stinging pressure on your heart, it's already big time to relax.

Do not confuse a restless mind with mental improvement. Also check your resting heart rate, it mustn't be too high.

>>103292

Greater resiliency is definitely becoming part of my character.

As you say though, you seem to have experienced similar.

My resting heart beat is probably 70. The usual.

I'll do wind for today, boost my sense of wellness and relief, and see if I can't fully recover by tomorrow. Slept a shit ton yesterday, needed recovery.

>>103292

I've been doing manual shallow and deep breathing for 8 years now. My restlessness is energetic, emotional, and perceptual but I've got a solid grip on all thoughts. This being because Metal controls Wind. My perceptions are a bit chaotic but are slowly being pieced together into a comprehensive meta-physical picture of reality. My emotions too. My energies are less controlled, but feel stronger than ever. Like a heavy weight, not fast but strong; that's for the future.

What is actually happening is a LACK of restlessness and activity. They are forced into cohesion. THEY being separate initiatives. I am the most unified front I've ever been. Any hypocrisies of mine are obvious. My muscles are being used in more and more coordinated and cohesive ways. My thoughts and actions effect each other more directly than ever before. I really have nothing to legitimately worry about, but a full recovery would be wise to assess my position. FULL WIND-MODO

>>103287

Yeah, probably.

Masonry the only secret society that will give me access to lots of shit?

i have demon(s) attached to my being causing chaos and strife in my social circles.

recommend me a book or write out a binding ritual that I may know peace.

>>103307

http://conjuredoctor.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=3

>>103306

Lol they will sell you pieces of what we know and fuck you up the ass.

My honored friends..

Is anyone willing to share some intuitive techniques that promote exploration and independent learning?

I have been stuck doing only void meditation for a long time now. That practice is excellent for me and mandatory for basic functioning. However it is also tedious, hard work. I would like to get into something that's more "applied".

>>103312

Read everything you come across and promote synchronicities by pulling on the strangest, less common coincidences you find, and then reflect on them and try to find connections before proceeding to the next link in the chain.

>>103306

The Masons are basically dead, you'd be lucky to find a functioning lodge. Everything they can give you, you can find online with a 5 minute search

>>103313

Yes, piecing things together, "seeing the whole picture", strengthening this way to think, seeing connections and drawing conclusions based on that, applying more and stranger information because you see where it fits in until eventually you can have the answer as if on instinct with finished cad blueprints in your mind, it does something to the brain.

>>103315

I've been working my way upwards like this since my initiation. Good stuff.

Protip for fledging magicians. Meditation is very valuable for many reasons, but one of them is that having the ability to get into a state of equanimity and detachment is very useful for letting go of expectations and not lusting for results. Very useful for manifestation in general and also for dealing with life overall.

>>103316

If you really wanna get good results in magic, you should atleast have a 5-10 minute meditation schedule. The more the merrier, practice really is 95% of the journey. What's the other 5% you ask? Oh nothing… being a god

I have a problem with creativity. Either i don't have it or i lack the skills to express myself.

What to do? In chakra-system this points to throat center, but i'd like a another opinion.

>>103322

Grind it. At first it sucks, at last it feels like succ

Also, wear a fundoshi

>>103322

The throat is expression, not creativity.

Its the second. You have repressed sexuality and that hinders a creative flow, the flow goes left right left right but if either male or female is to strong the flow will be disrupted to the point of discordance or absence of the flow, leading to negatively attacking others creativity and being "anti life", anti creation, inviting entropy and depression.

Its your sacral chakra, your penis that is wrong.

That is where passion comes from, passion to socialize, passion for a platonic hug, passion to sing or write and dance. Passion for higher learning.

Yes, it was porn that ruined you. Your passion for life is now directed only towards sex.

Passion and love is more than flesh, its your smile blessing your confidence in all you do.

>>103311

Save me the trouble and lay it all on me, then.

>>103314

I can't hang out in a replica of Solomon's temple and read weird old books online though.

What about Rosicrucians? (Not AMORC, obviously)

>>103314

>niggers

>women

>you must pay 50$ for trial entry

no thanks

>>103338

kek, its combat

>>103328

You are quite correct with the symptoms, but then again

>it was porn that ruined you. Your passion for life is now directed only towards sex.

I didn't internet when i was a teen and today i'm more of a asexual.

>>103351

> move sacral energy up spine

How'd I do that?

>>103351

These Shrek smolders are killing me, man.

>>103334

Guys, how do I get into Engineer mode?

>>103350

>One time I even woke up already fapping

I've been there.

>>103353

Don't worry, its not ogre yet!

>>103354

i look like that without the extra buff, energywork will do this.

Anybody got some some stuff on brining about change to the physical body?

Changing your appearance, etc.

>>103352

New Energy Ways V2 by Robert Bruce

So I'm fully aware how my physical condition and current mind condition affect all life experience to be subjective af as in giving a certain "flavor"

What's the next level I have to go?

>>103363

Within the parameters of what you're talking about? Read Reality Creation Redux.

If you mean "What step does the neophyte take after learning reality creation? Probably reading some of Atkinson's books, energywork, thoughtforms, you could start out with Initiation Into Hermetics if you wanna get right into the real magic, but I'd read New Energy Ways V2 with it for better results. Be sure to read ''Science of Breath too, but you only really need to read halfway in, till you learn how to breath right

P.s. - That Casswiki shit is just Atkinson's books in wiki form, if you don't like Atkinson's writing style, you could always read that, but caution, it's not 100% accurate, like with StS (lhp) and StO (rhp), there is also the balanced neutral, or "middle path" as we call it

>>103365

I'm not who you responded to, but shouldn't the middle path be the ultimate goal, since all truths are half-truths, etc? IIH has us balance our soul mirrors rather than being disproportionately one or the other.

>>103274

>Why do you want to know the identity of posters?

probably the same reason why you spy on users

>>90873

>murka #buh

hey it's only the thing I was researching cause synchronicity, weird you would know about it :^)

>>90873

>No, but you actually are: there are few as autismo as you :^)

hey it's only part of my email address that I use too shitpost how weird.

>>103367

Exactly nigga, spot-on.

>>103368

I browse the board as a regular anon and only sign in to do moderator actions.

I have no idea what motivates you to do what you do and I don't really care to know as long as just please stop.

>>103356

I could've sworn I had been noticing changes. Good to know I'm not imagining it.

I'm on the breathing of the first of the elements, fire, following IIH (been a week and a half), and I'm going to get more serious with Crowley's system.

How long until others start noticing my spiritually induced gains?

>>103380

There is no right or wrong in that sense. However, the basis for that rule, as it were, is sound. One cannot (or rather only with great difficulty can) do baneful magic or influence people negatively without getting their aura dirty, so to speak.

You can use magic to influence or fuck people up, but you'd have to be either very good or very pure of heart in order to avoid the consequences.

Demonic magic has nothing intrinsically bad about it. It just deals with generally more dangerous entities, that's all.

Believe it or not, the answer is in The Kybalion.

>>103333

please respond to my double mason dubs

I just want to be initiated in the mysteries, somehow.

>>103384

I dont like masons nor your attitude that we owe you to do shit.

As above so below. All is mind.

There. Thats everything, now figure out the inbetween.

>>103384

They say a teacher will come to you when you are ready for one. But based on your posts, you should just stick to reading books and practicing Hermetics individually.

>>103385

>doesn't like your attitude

>has shit normie-tier attitude

WEW

>>103384

https://www.amazon.com/Kabbalah-Magic-Great-Work-Transformation/dp/0738708933

Buy that and follow the instructions. You don't need to come back until you've reached the end. By then you'll be able to teach us a thing or two.

Goodbye and good luck.

>trinity of tryhards and the ensemble of armchair occultists

>>103396

me the merchant maestro to the ensemble

>>103409

I know exactly whats going on. You're in for a ride.

>>103409

Eat more sodium, soak up more sun, take some Vitamin C, drink more water, and get some rest.

>>103412

yes they're very magical, get some.

>>103411

Thanks, check'd

>>103410

Nah, your mom re-scheduled to next week

>>103385

>your attitude that we owe you to do shit.

I thought it was obvious that I was joking about how the poster whom I was replying to made occult knowledge sound trivial.

>>103388

Okay, I suppose the the truly secret knowledge that can't be found in books will come later.

>>103391

Thanks, anon.

>>103416

Sick.

>>103424

>cold

(:

>>103409

That's how I feel all the time for years.

>What do wizbros, am I gonna die?

Eat high quality fats and also release your stress with powerful outbursts and then spend lots of time using the imagination and fantasizing so you can create aesthetic mental experiences that are enjoyable and revitalize your body. That's what is working for me. The life is too painful and shitty and the various more technical concentration and so on stuff that I would do constantly all the time doesn't heal, it's nonsensical fantasy stuff and listening to the ethereal songs of angels and so on that heals.

>>103412

I have a huge pile of amethysts like that at the side of my house that I got from a hoarders house I helped clean out. They belonged to an Ojibway medicine woman before me (she is dead). They make the blood run a little more thin and have subtle effects on the ether. However the influence they have is, subtle… and easily overpowered by the torrents of emotion and thought running through your mind. So if you want a little background boost to your energy they are an aid but it's not anywhere near as powerful an influence as the thoughts you entertain and attract. Also you should clean your home and make it attractive to good spirits. When you wander in dreams, you are in actual fact visiting areas that your astral body resonates with. When you make a highly aesthetic, beautiful, organized, etc. surrounding that embodies many virtues then you end up getting spirits from all across the universe (and different timelines and dimensions and so on) coming to the space you created and bringing their good vibes n' so on. Seriously, good clean beautiful surroundings and proper use of geometry and so on can change your life. There are some places you can't stay in too long without it transforming you for the better and there are other places where even if you're really strong if you stay too long it turns you into a fucking mess. How long it takes depends on your level of resistance and your consciousness of the I Am principle, the real self, spirit and on the virtues and so on that you embody. Either a powerful man of great virtue will transform his surroundings or the surroundings will transform him, one wins out eventually. If you're stuck in a prison or something then keep your thoughts away from the immediate surrounding as much as possible, just dissociate, because you are where your thoughts are… so your body might be located in a prison and you might be toiling every day and have crap rations and so on but you can keep your soul alive this way. Malicious matrix agents will try to stamp out tendencies towards talking to the air, imagining, getting distracted, etc. they want to control your attention and kill your soul and make you like a chink slave. You let them win then your lineage will degenerate (genetic lottery is not random, to a certain extent your genes do matter, but sex is a powerful magickal act and the soul is being created and nurtured and so on… people of low virtue degenerate fast and people of high virtue advance fast). Many chinks today are degenerating terribly and many chink bodies probably don't even host spirits anymore and are just animated by elementals only. I must go now, hope this helps, and yes I addressed far more than just what you typed.

The power of crystals is amplified by intentionally using them and setting out to really use the power. As an ambient background influence it's weak. Actually trying to work with and connect to it is different. Same for trees, rocks, etc. You could use a crystal and amplify its power greatly by turning it into a proper magickal tool. Also learn to alchemy… everything got its 3-parts nature (sulphur, mercury, salt).

Crystals also need to be cleaned up properly. I do this with soapy water. Then they have to sit in salt water for days and get lots of sun light. This unclogs them on etheric level and the crystals I have definitely needed it as they were covered in so much cat and dog piss, dirt, hair, etc. as well as negative energy and their original owner was dead and those influences had to be wiped. You don't have to reset a crystal like this if it's already empowered n' shit but mine needed it. You can't use table salt btw, I used aquarium salt, saline solution or ocean water is the best.

I used to scoff at crystal fags and still kind of do but everything is alive and has power in it that can be coaxed into action on your behalf. Ambient power isn't much, it's subtle but definitely noticeable, like with amethyst it makes the blood run thin / run better / increases circulation. Like everything though there is immense power that just needs to be brought out and that takes some effort but once you unlock it, it's a source of power ready for to draw on whenever needed. It's good to have an intuitive sense of when to use your implements/tools and when not to, use in wrong context weakens it, and abuse of power creates imbalances that disrupt the vitality of the soul and weaken the body. Vitality is a harmonious thing that requires the whole system works together properly. Think about how you got to talk to your organs sometimes and encourage them to work properly and how the different organs have different typical personalities, some being slower to influence (liver), some much more reactive (heart), etc.

>>103381

Fuck I've been fucking with elements before and during the first step of IIH and it's just fucking me up; was focusing on Earth/Metal for a while, probably months or over a year considering the psychological aspects of these elements, but despite no positive results before, it really seemed like a good idea to spend 7 days or so of complete focus on Earth/Metal rather than jumping around a bit to test things out, and I'm no better.

I did get serious obvious results/biofeedback, like my chest cavity expanding and tendons stretching and moving, and feeling those aches in them that I usually don't… hyper precise vision and perceptions sometimes, when I've "worked" the metal so to speak… noticing all the tightness I have (tendon tightness), strangely specific muscle connections, but other things suffered.

No will to workout, and workouts are terrible until I get fired up enough. A real issue of no fire until I workout, but fire is what I need to get myself to workout.

Feels like body parts are moving on their own. It's like I've been split into a million pieces, psychologically. I just carve shit up on accident.

Intense.

So yeah, learning how to walk my path through the elements, and the results are fucking intense. Switching to Fire for a week to see how it goes.

>>103384

If you have friends, I suggest you share some of the stuff you're interested in. I told a couple friends of mine to imagine fire in their low navel when meditating, and to meditate or some sort of practice (they're into zen, magic, crystals, martial arts, fantasy, tabletop, etc). Actually I've always have had friends that were interested in this type of stuff; at least zen, meditation, eastern stuff.

If you want to grow with others, be consistent and start with 'normal' stuff like visualization. It's actually received will when you share it in a way that doesn't say, "All is mind." but instead "Cool shit happens dude."

>>103409

Fire element -> Balls. Exploding.

Lightning element -> Pecker. Arcing.

Seriously though, Fire element should be the obvious choice.

>>103429

I think this is a very good post, kudos to you, thank you.

On the one hand you state the empowerment of virtue and one's ability overcome even genetic 'limitations' and environmental influences.

On the other hand you provide a solid perspective on the power of degenerative influences internal and external.

But more importantly, the reason I'm being so superfluous, is your comment "Many chinks today are degenerating terribly and many chink bodies probably don't even host spirits anymore and are just animated by elementals only." That elemental point really hits on something I've been noticing without a real definition for it except, "It's too flowing." It's too elemental. That's been my entire experience the past 3 years.

I've realized now that I need to focus on virtue as much as elements and the occult in general, and that my attempts to do so have just not been enough up till now.

>>103433

When it comes to the elements, I think you shouldn't dabble like that. Your body needs time to adapt, so switching elements in such a short time would probably throw you off. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm doing 1 month fire, 1 month air, 1 month water and 1 month earth (inhaling and exhaling, not retaining). If everything goes well, I will then move on to step 4 of IIH.

>>103429

how does one become a man of great virtue? Do you mean being a kind person?

China needs to go. Spread the word.

Is there some incredibly risky and dangerous things with potent benefits, that I could try?

No matter how bad the benefit/risk ratio is.

>>103451

The hidden powers behind the hegemony of the US have been moving west since shortly brfore Trump entered the picture. It might not be China, but most of us will probably see an Asian country replace the US as the world's #1 power in our lifetime.

Those behind it will be the same of course.

>>103453

Investing in stocks.

>>103456

I already have money. It doesn't really mean anything when there is nothing to buy.

I meant something where i can put my whole life at stake. No russian roulette.

>>103458

Cliff diving?

>>103453

>Kundalini rising

>invoking an element and retaining it for a day

>Shamanism

>Goettic evocation

>mind over fear meditation

>getting a thicc gf for Tantric sex

>Making a pilgrimage to Thailand to learn Mo Pai, (don't share that name anywhere but here, it's too dangerous)

>post your face on /Fringe/,

Tipp made that mistake, and now he's my favorite Photoshop dummy, I never share my shops out of respect for my favorite weedbro, but it's still funny

To the anon who knows a girl with latent psychic ability that hates men, how latent is this girl?

Holy shit /ask/ is as dead as a doornail, I guess that's what happens when you have over 9,000 boards

>>103463

She doesn't know shit about magic beyond tumblr-tier witchcraft, but she does well to tell about a person's past, the future, and people's thoughts. Good enough to not forget about, but not so good that somebody without latent ability couldn't surpass her in a year. Though recently I have heard of another, reportedly beautiful girl who works a horse range with her sister that can command the horses from a distance without speaking.

Could anyone recommend some (hopefully short) books that explain Gnosticism and Goetia?

To what extent should I allow others to help me?

>>103470

It's pretty long altogether, but some individual chapters cover what you're looking for:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/

Anybody here got any experiences with Zhan Zhuang.? Dem Chinese niggas claiming that just standing around has crazy benefits, anybody have any direct experience?

>>103471

Some things are generally more beneficial when done with help. Examples are overcoming mental illness, managing your finances, improving your personality, getting fit, and even practicing magic. There's certainly some value in doing things alone, but it often hinders your progress so much compared to what you could be doing that it's not worth it for the pride of not "needing" help. I am currently overcoming psychosis and anxiety, and though I never take any medications (not really helpful, it's like putting a bandaid over a bullet wound), I've received help from therapists, counselors, family, and friends. Humans have evolved as inherently social creatures and we are meant to support each other in our endeavors. It's not a belittlement on you if you can't do something alone. Getting help allows you to move on from something so that rather than being your single greatest feat, it can be set aside for greater works.

>>103454

It will be China. They will use China to move west into a Europe of civil war.

The stage is set.

>>103460

>Tipp

who?

>>103288

>metal,fire,earth, water and air

fuck this some avatar-tier shit

how do i know which type am i anon?

>>103478

A lot of fictional works are inspired by truth, they just make it easier and more physically literal. The esoteric elements are very symbolic. I don't know much about their practice and use yet though, but I'm pretty sure if you start working with them you will notice if you are better at one over the others.

>>103479

oh thanks anon, but how do i know my type?

>>103443

Fair point. Is retaining worse in some way? I wanted to find which element to focus a week - month on by giving each a day or so.

>>103478

Body composition, personality, that sort of thing. That doesn't say what Day Master you have though, just your elemental propensity.

>Metal looks like a weight lifter with wide broad shoulders, thin hips; strong voice and character. Narrow, triangular jaw. Barrel chest. Legs not in proportion.

>Wood is tall, skinny, with ribs and such muscles showing. Small head and narrow, triangular jaw. All tendons and sinew, which you can see usually.

>Earth is fleshy and muscular, with square head and jaw, with a compact/stocky look.

>Water is fat. And round. Everywhere.

>Fire has a strong spine, broad back, and curly or no hair. Triangular jaw. Well-proportioned, large thighs.

According to this I would have a Wood/Fire build, with extra Water or Earth in the head.

http://bazi-calculator.com/

Check your Ba Zi. Mine says I'm 43% Wood, 37% Fire, and a 16% Water Day Master. It adds up I'd say.

>>103476

The Hermetics'' guy who always talks about energywork and weed

>>103486

*the hermeticist flag guy*

>>103484

>Is retaining worse in some way?

Faster grinding of said element, more likely to imbalance

can i get some more detail on where the fuck you got this metal element? isn't metal earth?

there are just five elements in the pentagram

are you playing make belief on my himalayan psychology and social studies board?

>>103487

does not ring a bell, lots of people use this flag.

>>103491

>6.66 kb's

Wow, someone really wants me dead

>>103490

I think metal somehow translates to air in the hermetic tradition, wood to water

>>103493

you have to give me more than that you bullshit occultist

>>103494

Look up the tcm elements, then compare them to the hermetic elements, I'll give you a hint there's no spoon-feeding element faggot

>>103495

compare them side to side for me and i might give you something in return instead.

how can the chinese system do without air and how come metal replaced it?

you have nothing better to do anyway faggot

>>103484

BaZi is a birth chart sort of thing right?

>>103484

For this I would definitely be fire. Neat.

If you don't have the confidence to lay out your ideas for everyone to poke holes at you shouldn't talk so loudly when people ask what you're on about.

>>103496

Well Wood is associated with Wind in the body, so Wood would be more Air than Metal; I'm pretty sure they're based on the realities of the human body more than environmental realities.

Wood I think is Positive Fire, Negative Earth, Positive Water, Negative Air. A selective retrocombination that takes the positive from the true elements, and the negative from the "false" elements.

Metal on the other hand I believe is the opposite, taking Negative Water and Fire, Positive Earth and Air.

I could be wrong.

Metal is only associated with dryness and I guess logic (left brain), while Wood is associated with Wind (classic element) and also creativity, subjectivity, sensitivity, and leadership (right brain).

>>103502

What are you on about

>>103496

Fire and Water are the same in both traditions. Metal is basically Air, and Wood is Earth but with the drive and manliness of Fire. Earth itself is practically the same.

Now gimme gimme, if you're a roastie I don't want your nudes

>>103504

I've seen Wood labelled as Junior Yin and Metal as Senior Yang, with Earth as Tao.

Water -> Senior Yin

Fire -> Junior Yang

That was just one place however. Elsewhere it's usually lesser Yang ->Wood, lesser Yin -> Metal, major Yang Fire major Yin Water, Yin Earth.

>>103507

Yeah that sounds about right, I was just talking about how it reflects on the hermetic tradition, which, btw, in the hermetic tradition, yin and yang, becomes electric and magnetic, but you probably already knew that

>>103499

Yes

>>103500

Oh and Fire types are usually Red/Purple in color, Wood are blue/green, Metal is grey/pale, Earth is yellow/brown, water is dark.

>>103491

I never payed attention to those, but I'm guessing that means "Your gateways of transition are bloody and violent, or at least ruthless and at the cost of something." as related to the specific pillar (day pillar is it? then your way of life). I don't pay attention to the stars however.

https://kevinchanbazi.wordpress.com/

I use this website.

>>103508

I'm still more inclined to believe that Earth is Electromagnetic, Tao. And since Wood changes its essential nature quite easily (fire, rot, etc.) vs Metal that doesn't change its essential nature easily at all (stays in its rigid structure despite temperature, weather, electricity for quite a long time in quite the diverse environments) I would say Metal is Yang.

Wood is associated with Infancy,

Fire is associated with Prepubescence,

Earth is associated with Adolescence,

Metal is associated with Adulthood,

Water is associated with Seniority, decrepitude, old-age.

With this we can see how an infant is more Yin than a teenager, and how a prepubescent is less yang than an adult. Thus, Wood is Yin, Metal is Yang.

>>103509

Metal is useless ore without being worked by Fire mind you;

Yang Fire has a reverse production cycle, being the Sun, producing Wood. Yang Fire may not destroy Metal, but Metal might destroy the Sun, seeing as how Iron (the first Yang metal) will supernova a Sun (though that's just a theory, so take that statement with a grain of salt).

The Sun may or may not produce Earth as well… the entire cycle could be reverse specifically for Yang Fire, or just the production/generation part of it.

>>103489

Sounds awesome by the way, retaining all the way. I already feel the burning from Fire. Just gotta breath in pure Air, breath out Smoke every once in a while and I'm golden.

>>103509

Apparently I'm 69% Metal. Is that a bad thing, it being so high? I've never heard of this BaZi thing before

>>103512

What's your day master? Metal requires Fire, boost your fire element. Also, cardio is a daily necessity. Vigorous exercise in general is a necessity for life.

(Vigorous exercise = Fire)

I shall note the latent elemental power that exists in your ancestral bloods. You can be a 100% Water type (god have mercy) but have the ancestral blood of BLOOD RAGE BARBARIANS and call upon that strength to transform you in your pursuit of becoming pure FIRE.

>>103511

Literally physical smoke? If so, you might be an adept

>>103519

Visualization. I would be a potential ARCHMAGUS if I was doing that shit.

That doesn't sound like me at all, usually when I transition I read something that completely shatters my perspective on magic, like how the elements are merely a categorization of intents, like healing or burning. Then I finally understand it all and come out a brand-new wizard with unbound smugness for my hikki social isolation, no blood or violence involved, though that would be cool

>>103521

I wasn't being specific, just stating that ancestral powers can be called forth if one digs deep enough, and totally change their character, in contradiction to any sort of birth chart.

I just ran trying to force Fire for 20 minutes and am more sore than usual, and am feeling my connective tissues loosen and awareness expand. Awesome.

>>103523

One time I almost killed myself with Fire. I invoked it straight into my eyes, it burned like shit and made my eyes water, but I was like "Fuck it, if I don't die my eyes are instantly accustomed to the Fire". Needless to say I didn't die, because what little adapting I did with Fire to the eyes beforehand, I guess it was enough to not outright kill me, but yeah, instantly accustomed my eyes to Fire, retention is a risky business, but it pays

How do I make a specific thoughtform of my ideal girl to attract likewise in reality, without accidentally making a tulpa. I keep vividly imagining her, all her behavior and beliefs, interacting with me, but I'm afraid she'll just become a tulpa.

How do I make sure I attract someone like her physically, and not make a tulpa?

>>103524

Earth/Metal was outright fucking up my eyes and lungs and heart. Sharp cutting type images, and then tactile stimulus; my right eye stopped being round and lost neurological strength, weakening my eye sight considerably. It became sort of like one of those 8 sided die (made of triangles) in shape. Fuck.

It was the metal of course… but god damn I felt like I've been attacked all day every day for over a year now just from entering adulthood (metal) and questioning my integrity (virtue of Metal); I have 0 Metal in my chart so I'm hyper sensitive to the tiniest bit of it.

It's how I got into the occult to be honest; I had an instance of integrity breakdown and it drove me crazy… and psychedelics didn't help at all.

I was a STEM guy with artistic and philosophical passions and creative ideas about how they overlap and combine (Wood?), but now I see the seven principles at work, more and more every day, in a much more literal fashion, and see no reason to keep my understanding of reality "straight laced" so to speak. Gotta untie the shoe to put on a bigger pair.

Fuck Metal. And Earth. Shit is hazardous to my health; just thinking thoughts that are composed of some Metal is dangerous for me.

How strictly do you guys keep to IIH? I'm tightening the screws, following the books instructions to the letter to get the most out of it starting tomorrow. Been on Step 1 for a week now.

Did any of you go through the Occult Seed all the way?

>>103533

>How strictly do you guys keep to IIH?

I don't bother really following it other then the meditations.

I prefer my own sort of thing.

>>103533

To the letter to the best of my abilities, although I admit sometimes I get ahead of the curriculum in one of the three aspects. I do so at my peril.

>>103534

If you are not going to follow it to the letter perhaps you are better of following your own pathworking. You're going to advance slower half-assing somebody else's system than discovering your own. And that applies to everything in life.

>>103529

Holy shit thank you, I was doing exactly what I didn't want to do!

>tfw I was so close to making an invisible normalfag in my head

>>103529

How is anticipation different from intent?

>>103542

I think you quoted the wrong post, but I can answer that question.

Intent in magic is generally understood as the intention behind a magical work.

Anticipation is the act to expect or look forward to. Expectation.

>>103542

Intent is being greatful for your wish in the present moment

>>103544

Rather for your wish having come true.

What are the metaphysical implications of committing suicide comparing to wanting to die but not being responsible for your death?

>>103548

you will still die in a negative vibration and your soul will move to the astral planes which corresponds to its frequency as to not dissipate due to dissonance and you will experience multiple lifetimes in dreamtime dealing with your shit until your soul loses enough loosh to keep your spirit in there and you pass on.

>>103549

Speaking of which, how long do you think normal people last in the astral?

>>103552

time doesn't exist and if it did it would be a relative perspective.

So I've been wanting to get into meditation, but I've read it can be dangerous for those with certain mental proclivities. I've been struggling somewhat with psychotic and anxiac tendencies lately, and that's pretty much the whole reason I've been wanting to do meditation, but I don't want those problems exacerbated possibly. Are dangers common? Is it worth doing alone?

>>103484

>Metal looks like a weight lifter with wide broad shoulders, thin hips; strong voice and character. Narrow, triangular jaw. Barrel chest. Legs not in proportion.

can someone who is obviously not metal, achieve metal physique traits? such as wide shoulders etc? if yes, how so?

>>103484

>Fire has a strong spine, broad back, and curly or no hair. Triangular jaw. Well-proportioned, large thighs.

I'm having a hard time visualizing this. Will you please post an example?

>>103556

If you work out your back and shoulders enough, your frame will widen significantly. But you won't look like the people who lift and have naturally broad shoulders, that's just genetics. Unless you become an adept and learn to shapeshift.

>>103555

I have dealt greatly with anxiety and psychosis as well. If you believe meditation will cause problems, it probably will, but if you believe it will help you, that will most likely be the case instead. There are many types of meditation, and for improving your condition(s) I recommend some form of relaxed breathing meditation, like in Step I of IIH. And one point just in general: when you need to relax, breathe in through your nose for 4 seconds, hold for 2, breathe slowly out through your mouth for 8-10 seconds, and hold out for 2 again. Use your diaphragm. After a couple minutes your heart rate will be much lower. I would definitely not get into serious occultism until you have better control over your mind, because it can easily make a bad condition worse. Aside from meditation, what has helped me the most with combating these symptoms is the following:

>building muscle and working out (eat a lot more if you're skinny, mainly healthy stuff)

>sleeping better (this is hard but possible to fix, go to sleep before 11pm as often as you can)

>socializing enough ("enough" varies by person, for me I need to see friends once or twice every two weeks at the bare minimum, just don't neglect it)

>do the breathing and meditation every day

>see a therapist you get along with if you or your family can afford it (a lot of people disregard this; it is not psychiatry and can be very helpful)

>avoid meds if possible

>get a little pocket copy of the Tao Te Ching and read from it often

>listen to relaxing music

I've dealt with this stuff for 5 years now, please ask if you need more information.

>>103546

James Bartley if you do not mind listening to a black guy (some here do)

>>103556

Forgot to mention that Wood types have less wide, but still wide shoulders.

Here's a MEGA for TCM Therapeutic Qi Gong with a chapter on "Body Constitutions" with pictures:

https://mega.nz/#!IKhEQIDK!560zj0MgB_UXOhGAm7RiShIN2b7R0CmW3aA56Ju4nY8

>>103560

All the connective tissues in my chest cavity connected to my shoulders were forcefully loosening when I was cultivating the Metal element, and I could feel the tightness limiting my wingspan all up my arms and in the shoulders/chest when putting my arms out…

so if you guys focus on Metal and stretching yourself from the inside out with your own breath, and stretching all day to get your arms to pull away from the body, you should find your frame widens.

>>103561

Thank you. I'm tentative about therapy or any institutional help because I'm not in a position to afford being diagnosed or living with a label the rest of my life. I think I'll try mediation (just qmm) with everything else listed and go into it positive.

>>103564

Honestly it's about consistency. As in, having consistent patterns in your life so you can take a break from the madness and chaos of everything.

That's why my next goal is to follow IIH to the letter, to regain control and direction both at the same time.

Calm and consistency. In IIH, the first step, there's a part where you try not to think outside of what you've decided to think about for the day or week. At every other time you try to provoke a vacant state of mind.

Just trying to do that sent me into a mental frenzy when I went to go sleep; I wanted to go to sleep thinking about the Principle of Mentalism and wake up thinking about it the whole day, but there's a lot of obstacles to doing so.

I had uncomfortable strange dreams that night as well.

As long as you return to the pattern you've set for yourself; the routine you've built, the program; to the best of your ability… you will find control and direction again.

Every part of me resists routine for some reason. I'll be conquering this as soon as possible however. A lot of my anxiety stems from this fact. I've tried cultivating more bravery and courage and manliness to compensate, but it really doesn't make up for the fact that I lack control.

>>103561

Energy work can help as well if you do it safely

I don't necessarily come here so I figured this thread would be a good place to ask. What is the esoteric significance of spiders?

>>103569

Some shamans believe they're evil, in the sense that their "power" when trapped in a human body makes the person evil.

I have some of that spider consciousness (based on third eye visions of spiders moving around inside my body, out of my body, even feeling a spider come out of my forehead's third eye region once which FREAKED ME THE FUCK OUT) and in a sense,

> "Own. Entrap. Possess. Drain. Kill. Scheme. Death. Bind. Snare. Ruin them. Kill them. Own them. Snare them. Drain them. The end is all that matters."

They're like little assassins.

They are constructive but to selfish ends. If you can learn from their skill and forethought (which they rely on vs strength, agility, etc.) without becoming someone who sits at the center of their little web playing god, then you'll gain some impressive mental abilities. They have extreme mental and physical sensitivities, feeling every little vibration/tremor. They are in and of themselves very weak however, being small insects with delicate limbs.

>>103565

You should try an information fast (called "input deprivation"). For one week you don't take in any data. No reading online, no books, no news, no tv, no movies, no classes, no radio, etc. You can only output information, and you will find yourself doing so, so keep a notepad handy. I've been meaning to do one for a while now, I first read of its effects here:

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/05/19/10-overlooked-truths-about-taking-action/

>>103564

Fair enough.

>>103564

>>103571

I should mention, though, a diagnosis is typically only officially given so you can get medication. I went to years of therapy before my therapist told me what she thought I had and offered to write it officially in case I needed it. For just sitting and talking it's a bit overpriced, but they're good at what they do.

>>103570

I ask because someone in my family keeps claiming to see big spiders when they're in a pseudo-dream state what's creepy is every time they see a spider in this state within about 3 weeks someone close to them dies this has happened in 3 cases so far

>>103537

>If you are not going to follow it to the letter perhaps you are better of following your own pathworking. You're going to advance slower half-assing somebody else's system than discovering your own. And that applies to everything in life.

I did say that in my post mr newfig. "I prefer my own sort of thing." I never said that I was half-assing his system, only that I had taken some meditations to incorporate into my personal system.

Also, IIH is hardly a good system for a neophyte to practice. There are far better beginner guides to practice and learn with.

>>103573

Psychic perception (subtle tremors) are associated with spiders so either it merely represents the awareness of "death is near" (subtle tremors in one's social web) or there are giant spiders in the world capturing and killing humans via metaphysical overlappings of the subtle realms :^)

>>103571

So true dude. Just today I was considering if I should avoid all technology and media until the evening as a habit, as I felt much better doing this for a couple days earlier this week; I decided nah, and pushed the question away. Synchronicities I suppose, I notice them in correlation to mental decisions all the fuckin' time and it's very surreal.

Alright I'll post something, be more of a creator (as I've tried to in a small way on /fringe/ and /fit/ lately):

When you punch something, try to punch it like you turn into iron at the last minute, and your brain rattles in your skull from the impact. You will get a headache. Stop at that point, recover, then go again (don't get a brain injury). You want to feel as solid as possible, in your entire body, not just the hit.

The same goes for magic. You want your entire body to feel like it turned to stone at the moment of impact, and that your brain just rattled in its cage from it. This slowly develops a strong constitution in order to prepare yourself for stronger hits and counter-hits. Stability and structural integrity. This also prepares you for being much more conscious at the moment of impact. Instead of blanking out, and trusting it worked, you will have your eyes wide open the entire time, and become more conscious of the entire cause and effect process as a result.

"I hit him so hard MY brain rattled." Law of Correspondence

___

If you agree, disagree, go ahead and let me know.

>>103575

I explained the punch thing terribly.

What you're actually doing is BLOCKING at the moment of impact, with your fist and whole body. Exploding forward and blocking the impact, so you can absorb more impact, so you can hit harder. If you block half assed, you feel the recoil in weak areas of the body such as the neck, brain, wrist, elbow, etc.

Same with magic. Block the recoil that results from impacting something, at the point of impact.

The stronger, tougher your body, the harder you can hit. Thus with the relevant bodies used in magic. Beat the shit out of your mind, learn to block in offense and defense, and you can perform stronger magics.

I already posted a page of Magi that has the same info; magic has recoil, stronger body stronger magic. But this includes the mental and emotional bodies as well. The other systems. Information. Learn to block, attacking or defending, and passively, and you can do much more.

>>103575

And I intended the Law of Correspondence to refer to the mental/magical corresponding bodies.

>>103574

I didn't say you were half-assing it either. It was more a cautionary note for the other guy than anything.

>>103585

>dreams are astral

>when you die you go to the astral

>when you die you dream

>lucid dreaming is hard

>lucid dream in the astral

>don't think about Earth, ever

Congratulations, you just escaped Samsara

>>103585

>First off, believe fucker, or it'll take longer

>grind willpower and discipline

>learn Reality Creation

>read Kybalion and Atkinson's other books

>read Initiation Into Hermetics

>after getting to about step 3, set up a daily meditation schedule, as much as you can want, don't burn yourself out

>keep reading IIH while reading Magical Use of Thoughtforms, Transcendance, whatever

>read New Energy Ways V2, do energywork, Taoism

>live as healthy and balanced as possible

>patience, its not the beginning of a new fad, its the end of your old life

>you should take it from here, follow your now awakened crown chakra (intuition)

Something important for myself and the other non-initiates on this board to remember: have less opinions. Especially emotionally directed ones. They hinder learning to such an extent that one might as well be a mental cripple.

How do you deal with your friends and family being ego/parasite-driven and constantly plagued by suffering (in the Buddhist sense)?

I feel terrible seeing how unable to navigate their lives they are, and impotent on top of that because I can't help them (and they wouldn't let me anyway).

Meanwhile the rest of the world keeps churning out bullshit, creating feedback loops of misinformation and suffering. It's like seeing a constant spiritual trainwreck or a hospital wing for untreatable mental diseases. It's horrible.

newfig, got a bunch of questions

>wanna raise earth element but that needs healthy food and working out on regular basis, but i'm poor fag what to do?

>is listening to music often during the day bad for energy levels? mostly aggressive hip hop and ego rap and such, is that bad?

>is waking up late (about 11am everyday) bad? i feel beat up and pretty lazy everytime i do it, but when i under sleep and wake up at around 7 or 6 i feel shitty and tired all the day

>is moderate social media usage okay? like 1h or 2 per day

>>103590

Now you see why I'm a solitary brownpill? There is no saving themtolerant" like Tipp, or be an utist likea me, you the balance, and you don't like thatare

>>103590

Now you see why I'm a solitary brownpill? There is no saving themtolerant" like Tipp, or be an utist likea me, you the balance, and you don't like thatare

how do mundanes do it? how do they cultivate massive willpower?

>>103596

When do mundanes ever have willpower, wha mdoyou meann?

>>103598

w-wait don't some mundanes unconciously develop willpower through life experiences? like unconciously

>>103596

Isn't a natural human in a sort of Zen-state, so he just does things. Too dumb to have doubts or worries. Of course less and less people are like that. They become cattle in their impotency. Unlike men of yesterday.

>>103586

No when people die in the large majority of cases their astral body decomposes in a similar way to their physical body, being reduced to its base components and fed upon. The physical body can live for the entirety of a universal cycle, so can the astral body. But usually they don't.

>>103592

No idea. I'm just a newfig. Deep down you should have the answers. Keep moving and you eventually reach some of them. But don't believe your own lies. Discard all beliefs after a while just to be sure. There's a rhythm to it, but you can only learn it by practicing.

A good way to start is to change what you consider unchangeable. Quit smoking, for example.

>>103603

Yeah, I believe this too. You don't need to know you are enlightened to be enlightened (and sometimes you think you are but are worse than a mundane).

>>103606

There is no enlightenment. Enlightenment is a lie.

>>103596

You don't need magic to have willpower. Not all mundanes are "le boring roastie normans," in fact very many of them are valuable and interesting people. Wizardry is not the pinnacle of spiritual progress either, it's just one collection of practices that can only be done by the spiritually advanced. Here is an example of mundane cultivation of willpower:

http://www.jamesallenlibrary.com/authors/james-allen/mastery-of-destiny/training-of-the-will

>>103614

>Energy in sacral chakra

>Sharpie in pooper

>>103596

Less opinions, more spirit; human connections, good intentions.

>>103629

Really great post man, this was good to read. I think there is a gap of depression as knowledge and understanding increases. Ignorance is bliss, partial understanding is torture (see how tormented "redpilled" guys are), but full understanding (enlightenment) brings back happiness. I think I am climbing out on the higher side of the dip now.

>>103628

Well, I find removing the superstition surrounding wizardry helps tremendously in clarifying what works and what doesn't; thus efficient, reliable, stronger effects, with less conscious focus. You'll have more mind for other things then.

Practicing and developing your abilities doesn't really interfere with family unless you want to dedicate all of your time to becoming one of the 'best' (relatively speaking).

Unless you mean something specific by Great Work? Becoming immortal? Philosopher's stone?

Anyway, integrate wizardry into your normal ego/personality. There's really no need for even spirituality in this stuff. jus b urself fam

As you progress you can lump in new grounded personalities aspects, such as theatre and showmanship, to compensate for growing power. Instead of focusing on far away mysteries, powers, skills, enemies, allies, realities; focus on the magic that you can do in the room you're in now, that you can work on passively in the back of your mind, and spend just an hour a day doing and still get great results.

Develop a working, practical code of behavior you hold yourself to; like professionalism, work seriously with the limited, routine time you have, and then leave it all behind the minute your time is up. Compartmentalize. Limit your ambitions within the alloted time frame, limit your thoughts on wizardry outside of the time frame.

>>103628

So how did you end up marrying Brittany Pettibone, web journalist for Ringbuster.com?

What's the most obviously magical thing one has done?

Anyone here cast Fireball or shit like that?

>>103640

Magic=Tao=Zen=Atman=God

If you want power over this world without sacrificing the desire to use it for your childish ego driven desires your only real option is to make a pact with a being in partial or complete control of a sphere. The only beings willing to do this are entities that could accurately be called demons.

What need does the true magician have for a fireball? To what end would he do something so worthless?

>>103641

To fight for the defense of others, to fight the evils of this world as a magical shock trooper, to express one's self?

Your dogmas are what's childish here.

>>103641

People feed disinfo on magic all the time. You included.

Avoid superstition. Don't listen to the "spiritual", as that is merely an ancient psy-op to control others, to prevent the rise of other individual powers.

Merely a matter of others trying to control and limit your growth. That is the nature of the FLUFF of magical and occult PRACTICE.

This is about skill and power, everything else is the fantasy, the myth that's been wrapped around it.

And before you say, "There is truth in those myths," know that I know that you and others always presume one is incredibly reckless, dangerous, blind, deaf and dumb. That you we who seek begin as swine and deserve nothing unless proven controllable, easily manipulated, and a devout disciple. I know your true intentions.

This 'ego' and 'spirit' dialectism is trite.

I am not a child.

>>103641

I take responsibility for my own actions, and I will bear that responsibility in my own way.

Now, is there anyone here that has actually done something most obviously magical?

>>103642

>>103643

You are correct it is fantasy. Your ideas of magic are fantasy. If you want power make explosives, make nuclear weapons, make guns, make poison. Bend the world to your will with violence.

>>103640

>>103644

Bardon's Box. The paradox that anyone who has achieved significant physical siddhi has also achieved the wisdom to never tell anyone about their mastery in a public venue, if at all. Everyone who says they can shoot fireballs is lying since the people who can won't admit it.

>c-checkmate magic isn't real then oy

>>103646

I just wanted to be impressed and inspired. I'm not going to stop practicing.

Also, human choice isn't mechanical. It wouldn't be too unreasonable to think that one would openly state that they have achieved something like casting Lightning, considering that there is no way to verify it either way.

And the ones who know their identity via networking skill/knowledge, can't know if they're a shill or not, so the danger is relatively low.

I think, more likely, that there are websites where the talent tend to congregate to; once one reaches a certain point, they're attracted to places where they feel the same power.

>>103645

You have a childish and dogmatic view of power.

>>103640

>What's the most obviously magical thing one has done?

Manifested something which shouldn't have been possible within a <3 hours time frame.

I've also cursed some people to death, although that is probably less impressive.

Of course nothing comes for free, I've had to make sacrifices.

>>103647

People don't talk about this shit online (unless they're retarded). They only do it irl. Just join alegit secret society.

>>103651

I will when an owl drops a Letter of Acceptance from a Magical School for Wizards, Witches and Warlocks in my lap.

I am wary of the motives of these secret societies. I'll develop myself as far as possible, collecting some info on the less competent secret societies (in terms of secrecy), and then weight my options.

>>103651

>>103653

I've been there, and I think the only reliable way to join a secret society is to form one with people close to you that have similar occult interests.

Even then, be prepared for neverending drama.

Sites like this are the closest thing we will ever get to a magical school for wizards. I've been thinking on creating a pseudo-anonymous, invite only private chan to which /fringe/ could act as a buffer, but I'm not sure there is enough traffic to make that work and not starve within a few months.

Besides, creating that just to avoid feeling lonely would be kind of stupid.

>>103656

I think that's what starves groups like that. Not recognizing that you guys are there to compete, have fun, encourage, inspire, and general friendly competition. Ego is your friend anon. Listen to the fire.

My OpSec isn't strong enough to be part of a truly secret society. I would need IT skills.

I'm actually thinking of getting some friends seriously into the occult, if they're willing. Just elemental and primal stuff for now, get them to practice something per month like an anon suggested earlier.

Will go one month each, and see if I can get my friends to do it too:

>Fire

>Sun

>Electricity

>Oak

>Vine

>Wind

>Steel

>Gem and Precious Metals

>Light

>Mountain

>Soil and sand

>Ocean

>River

>Cloud and Mist

>Magnetism

>Darkness

Primal power seems more my style. I'll be doing the "by the book" shit as well though. Maybe I'll parallel TCM with Hermeticism, while studying esoteric and mundane stuff.

>>103663

Sadly all my IRL friends are hardcore fedora atheists and the only person in my family who had potential is too burdened by complexes.

>Ego is your friend anon. Listen to the fire.

In a sense, I agree, because there wouldn't be drama if nobody had something to learn from it. Good point.

I'm >>103186 and I was wondering how everyone else interpreted that whole "the man who chases two rabbits catches neither" thing. I've been thinking about the fact that it makes no logical sense for it to be impossible to create more than one thoughtform across a specific period of time based on the way we interact with and create thoughtforms without realizing it throughout the day. I just realized there are two ways to interpret it: either it's meant to refer to making multiple separate thoughtforms, like I thought, or maybe it refers to making a thoughtform about multiple things. For example, say you spent 15 minutes visualizing wealth and 15 minutes visualizing social success each day vs spending 30 minutes visualizing what could be summarized with the mantra "I'm wealthy and have lots of friends". The former would be two separate thoughtforms, but the latter would be at least partially intertwined, right? Maybe that's what that quote is meant to mean, since you would be proverbially chasing two rabbits at the same time as opposed to chasing one rabbit for 15 minutes and then chasing another rabbit for a separate 15 minutes afterwards. How did all of you interpret this stuff? Does what I say make sense?

>>103668

>he will then ask you to get him something from the victim, a hair or a sweaty shirt of his

That's for psychometry. You get something that belongs to someone or has strong energetic impressions of the person and use it to connect with them astrally. There's a good explanation in Practical Psychomancy and Crystal Gazing by WWA, which is in the library Mega. Anything else (curses or whatever) is probably just thoughtform-based, but you didn't really say anything about that part of it.

>writing symboles on a paper, sometimes verses from the koran, and bringing weird stuff such as a crows wing or a birds leg for example, and attaching it to the paper

That part kind of sounds like bullshit occultism to me.

>>103669

Attention is energy. If you divide your attention among several thoughtforms, you limit the amount of energy you are feeding each of them.

That limit is determined by your development. There's no hard rule. It all depends on your abilities.

>>103668

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_magic

Are Indian yoga teachings worth orienting?

So far i've read Yoga by Mircea Eliade half way and the whole thing seems like a huge larping religion. The stuff about breathing and meditations are somewhat helpful, but claiming to know everything about our universe seems more than suspicious.

>>103649

>sacrifices

Like what?

>>103683

Do what Robert Bruce's higher self told him to do. Learn what you can, leave the rest, and always keep the question out on whether something is true or not. Studying and practicing Christianity for the better part of a year increased my knowledge and understanding of the occult, even though it wouldn't be considered a "good resource" or even "remotely true" otherwise.

smiley >>>/4chon/196467

>>103718

>how do i get laid

Put benis in bagina

>>103718

Get your mind out of the framework that you must 'get laid' and that mutual masturbation is a 'vital stepping stone' and that corporate-hypnotized hedonists are 'enjoying themselves'. Even if you want those goals it will be easier without the framework.

Stop masturbating.

Change your environment.

Stand on your head 10-30 minutes every day to prevent balding.

Remember that God can make you immortal if you really want him to.

>>103721

But wouldn't you rather experience frequent bouts of 5-10 minutes of intense pleasure a few hundred times in a 50 year life rather than live an only moderately pleasurable existence forever?

>>103722

I would rather feel pain than pleasure. Pain, experienced consciously, results in spiritual development. Pleasure results in oblivion and makes it easy for people to control you like a Pavlovian dog.

What is false confidence?

>>103730

The calm before the storm

This age is going to end 2020 tbh

Apocalypse Nao

>>103738

You want the truth my man? Only way it's possible is to have daughter and marry her. Don't worry it's the single exception to incest which doesn't cause inbreeding symptoms. Look within yourself and you will find this is what you want.

>>103721

thank you for the reply, is there anything i can do about being short? aside from just getting over it

>>103740

Are you a legitimate manlet under 5 foot? Because if not you just lqck confidence. Literally nobody cares except 20 something sluts and 20 something dudebros

>>103741

im 5'5 and in my 20s so all those dumb 20 year olds are my demographic and it sucks when they wont even give you the time of day lmao

>>103683

Anon you're going to realize very soon that it's ALL LARPing to some degree. You might as well assume that all magic/occult/esoteric LARPs for a reason (not necessarily a good one).

You can learn from something without swallowing it whole, but it's much quicker if you aren't pigeon holing it the entire time.

>>103718

Dress well, speak well, feel well.

Exude sexual and social confidence.

Learn how to rebalance yourself in the moment so you aren't thrown for a loop.

Get fit.

>>103728

Actually, one can do the same with pleasure. With enough pleasures you start to find pleasure in non-pleasurable things, thus enjoying what for others is pain.

>>103738

Tipp says it was his soul mate, but according to fucking who? Tipp that's who. I can smell the BS from here.

>>103738

It's impossible to get someone sitting at home comfortable with their lifestyle to go, "You know what, I'll see all my shit to afford a trip to bum fuck no where and stand around town until a random dude that I just KNOW has got the greatest dick that I NEED shows up. Then I'll pounce and fuck him right then and there. Nevermind that this entire endeavor has been completely diametrically opposed to who I've been my entire life up till now."

Stop replacing exoteric reality with esoteric reality and do some "exoteric training".

>>103739

And then we got this guy.

>>103742

Possibly try the wood and metal element. And do the other shit I suggested.

>>103744

>Exude sexual and social confidence.

i kiiiinda think i know what you mean by this but could you elaborate on this?

>Possibly try the wood and metal element.

i definitely need further explanation on this one if you wouldn't mind

thank you again

>>103742

You're literally a meme. 5'5" us well within normal range. Well unless you're ugly.

>>103745

The same way you would cultivate any other element, connect to something, say, Bamboo and attempt to grow like Bamboo. Such would be connected to the Liver. A tree like Oak would be connected to the Gallbladder. This is based on TCM.

With Metal, we have the Large Intestines to connect to. It is also about connecting to Steel, cultivating steel, like you would any other element.

To cultivate: Imbue/Bless your food/water and breath with said element.

Imagine yourself becoming said element, or that it's growing inside of you.

Research the element in question.

Try to be more "like" the element.

Take frequent breaks, you don't want to overload on this shit.

>>103748

Oh and Metal is more known for a wide weight lifter frame than height, so focus more on the Wood element.

>>103748

>>103749

thank you so much, im gonna look into this right away.

>>103742

I'm 5.54, and I lost my virginity in high school. I was fat, my dick is below average and I was one of the nerds with acne. I was lucky to fall in love with a girl that found me intellectually attractive, but I certainly had to fight for it.

Anyway. There is ALWAYS someone who would be interested in having sex with you. Especially in your 20s (I just was 30 and the problem now is people are looking for long term baby producing relationships). If all you want is sex, lower your expectations until you find her, but be careful to at least pretend you want to give her what she wants (she might want a long term relationship). If you are that desperate, you will probably have to jew your way in.

It's not your physique. Stop looking in the mirror. You're not a teenager anymore. See if you can dress better and feel comfortable in your skin and that's it about looks.

If everything fails, go after a druggie, a hippie, a new ager or an ugly feminist. Stay away from girls to whom looks are #1. Use your mind instead on people who get turned on by ideas more. Or ego, or money if you have it. There's always someone you can jew with your skills, whatever they are.

This won't make you happy, of course. But if you are really serious about something, the way of the Jew (jewdo) might get you there if you give it everything you got.

>not having 10/10 looks

>not having 10/0 body

>not having 10/10 social skills

>not having 10/10 style

>not being celibate

Sex is just a way for inferior people to compensate.

>>103755

In summary: stop trying to be worthy. You will eventually find out the problem is this situation of yours are your complexes playing out and trying to teach you a lesson, but until you work that out stop trying to be worth it and approach it the same way you would getting something you want that doesn't question your self worth.

Do you sit there crying "oh, but I'm so short" when you want a phone or a job, or to learn something new? No. You work it out how to do it and you do it to the best of you abilities.

>>103756

>not having a 10/0 body

Metaphysical humor is best humor.

>>103739

Sounds good, I'm not above fucking my own daughter if she thicc and atleast 6/10, but it's too big a risk that it's born a boy, I'm not sure if I would be able to get abortion in whatever shithole I tried this in

>>103767

Oh and in the hypothetical that I would do this I would wait until she's 18 so no party van pls

>>103758

The over-chad floats in a vacuum absorbing sex from the atmosphere, for all eternity

>>103768

Dude if you're going the depraved route go all in.

>>103768

>fucking your daughter

>thinking her being 18 makes it less illegal

Thanks for laugh lad

>>103777

>caring about arbitrary human laws

I have seen things for fixing eyes so you don't need glasses

what of hair loss?

technique or books?

also inb4 get a hair transplant or just deal with it, i want to know the real cure.

>>103785

Either lower your testosterone or make sure it doesn't convert into DHT. No sugar, coffee and hundreds of other unhealthy things. In tcm hair is connected to kidneys and so to general wellbeing and life force. I'm guessing raise energy from below to your head and let 'raw qi' turn into brain fluid and hair.

It might grow back eventually.

>>103788

No sugar is very important. For the last two weeks I've been eating only vegetables and fish. Yesterday I ate shitty processed peanut butter and literally felt like I was dying last night. For the first three hours of sleep it felt like it was freezing and I was shivering then it felt like an inferno. Sugar, not even once.

>>103779

My point is there is literally no reason to wait until your daughter is 18 if you're going to fug her and in fact only downsides to waiting so long.

>>103788

there is no ritual or meditation or breathing technique or anything of that nature that i can do? im willing to change my diet but i feel like theres something else to it.

>>103797

No your hair is literally all diet. drlwilson.com is a good resource for a yang diet. Yin diets are generally damaging if you don't already have a healthy body.

>>103799

Great material. Who the fuck is this Lawrence Wilson guy?

smiley >>>/4chon/196467

A master chaos magician, and a master shitposter. Sm*ley truly has it all

>>103812

Le master magician who can't heal minor heart problem in his father.

>le master maguca can't even take care of himself

>>103813

Relax mong, I'm kidding

I know you all hate discord, but I made a friend on a discord channel posted on hear named cap_tan. If any of you can help me find the channel, I would appreciate it.

Two times when ive been meditating, it had went really intensive. Both times my dog has rushed In to my lap and when I try to look things with my eyes everything looks very slowmotion. Before this ive had many bad thoughts to try stop my meditation. Anymore with same kind of experiences? What is this? How to get over this? And is this something meaningfull?

>>103822

In meditation unless it's actual physical pain, pursue any discomfort or messed up thoughts that arise. They are a sign that there's something you need dealing with.

That generally means poltergeists too, but I'm not so sure about those.

>>103818

I barely even know how to access my own profile on discord, let alone someone else

>>103822

Dude, intrusive thoughts are shit, I used to always imagine that I was accidentally poisoning my words with black energy, but after a while I realized that intrusive thoughts don't count as intent, so nobody got hurt

>>103823

>>103824

Its not the thoughts that frightened me, it is more like the thing that everything feels being slowed down. I would really like to push from that point, it almost feels like something is trying to hide important stuff because everytime I do this, waves of thoughts came. Like a distraction, but after doing it couple of times, Im not afraid of them anymore. Its the feeling atm and after that. Dont really know how to discribe it, but when I hugged my dog she seemed like she was gonna just vanish, like Im shifting to somewhere else.

>>103825

Keep going.

>>103826

Now that im thinking, its a little bit robotic feeling. Like, when im moving my hand it feels really slow. My visual is little blurry, not much but also when doing the hand moving I see it like fast slideshow. Both times it haa happened, my little dog had runned straight to my lap. First time she was way more nervous. Has anybody had similar symptoms? Am I on the right path?

>>103827

you're experiencing dilution in "time", perspective as you shift your consciousness between the external and internal, because you haven't yet bridged them.

just keep going and you can shift in awareness with ease and with no being dizzy.

there are two minds, the rational thinking, the spirit, the you

and the database of memories with thoughts and emotions tied together in knots looping to different knots of thoughts which they influence.

the goal is to untie all the knots and retie them as you like.

>>103828

This sounds very reasonable. So is this a good thing? I should push further? Can you or anybody else explain, what should I do and where does this takes me?

>>103829

nothing and everything and everywhere

>what do i do?

Depends on what you want, start with finding out what you want

Then find out why you want that

>>103829

Just keep going. You don't need any other guide than yourself, and the less guidance you get from outside the better off you will be in the end.

question everything

>>103835

Why?

What is a good book on the pictorial symbolism of the tarot cards? Does anyone know? Thanks!

>>103843

is there a praticular part or an organ you want to change or just your body as a whole?

>>103848

The organ is my penis. I would like it to be 60" erect

>>103850

nigga what bout the non-attachment tho

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>>103853

>>103843

Book of Knowledge specifically tells you how to change your genetics.

>>103785

The Science of Miracles has the cure for hair loss (or making hair grow or stop growing anywhere you want). You can find it in the library.

>>103668

The objects are used to make connection to the target. You could just as well give a photograph or a name or simply sit in the room with the wizard and think of the person continuously while the wizard focuses in on the person you're thinking about. Any objects connected to the person let them trace them through the astral.

>>103100

It's really easy to seduce people. You will regret getting tied down to the wrong people though. You should try to create your associations with others with the full backing of the wisdom of the all. Seducing people or indeed influencing them at all is just a matter of staring at them intently, flaring the emotions, and taking in as deep an impression of their whole being into your mind, then using the imagination to work changes upon them.

>>103857

Yeah but why not just rub onion juice on your hair instead? It reverses greying hair and baldness.

>>103861

Nobody in my lineage ever greys or loses hair. Even when we're 80 years old we still don't have grey hair and still have a full head of hair. Furthermore, my grandpa didn't have a beard, AT ALL, until 36 years old; that was when he had to begin to shave. The thing that really sucks though about my lineage is I'm going to basically be a teenager for a really fucking long time… like I'll be 30 and still have acne and biologically I'll still be a teen. I also didn't hit have any signs of puberty until nearly 18 years old. My lineage is very slow to age.

So I have no idea if onions does anything or not but anon could try… though I personally find nothing physical like that, be it pills or foods or whatever else, can have much of an influence at all on the body. I think the methods detailed in The Science of Miracles are way more effective.